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Local Issues and Matters / Re: Our MP and the Brexit vote
« Last post by mk1 on January 15, 2019, 10: PM »
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on January 15, 2019, 10: PM
He voted against the deal.

Party before constituents?

There appears to be some confusion about the vote.

It was not a vote about leaving but a vote on May's version of leaving. The MPs voted against her plan and not against leaving.
The die-hard 'you-rope' hating Brexiteers voted her down because they want an extreme cut-all-ties-with Europe break and the remainers because they wanted a 'softer' leave with more ties to Europe. It would be wrong to portray it as a victory for Jacob-Ress-Johnson and his gang of crazies.
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Local Issues and Matters / Our MP and the Brexit vote
« Last post by Hartlepudlion on January 15, 2019, 10: PM »
He voted against the deal.

Party before constituents?
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Local Issues and Matters / Re: Predictions for 2019.
« Last post by Heknocks68 on January 15, 2019, 09: PM »
How about MPs will stick two up to the electorate
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National and European(EU) Matters / Re: What does your crystal ball say about the Brexit outcome?
« Last post by Lucy Lass-Tick on January 15, 2019, 06: PM »
This is getting extremely interesting - now seems that the whips are trying to get MPs to abstain rather than vote against May's withdrawal deal.

One slightly bizarre option would be for the PM to call a GE (after all, polls have the Tories six points ahead atm), asking for 3 month extension to article 50 (which would expire before the EU elections, but give her a bit longer to pull a rabbit out of the hat). With parliament dissolved in the run up to an election the current volte face would lose its power (temporarily, at least).
One plus for TM in this one is that she didn't 'intend' to lead the party into the next GE but if it happened too quickly to allow a leadership challenge then she could justify staying on.
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National and European(EU) Matters / Re: What does your crystal ball say about the Brexit outcome?
« Last post by mk1 on January 15, 2019, 05: PM »
Quote from: fred c on January 15, 2019, 05: PM
I'm beginning to come round to the belief that Brexit was always going to end up as a none Brexit, there are to many politicians and businesses that have to much to lose by leaving the EU, at the end of the day they have no real regard for the electorates opinions one way or the other.
Compromise is the way  forward. The winner-take-all attitude is causing the problems. Those who scream 'we won so all you losers can go fcuk yourself' are the problem. If left to its own devices Parliament will find a way. Those who for years were banging on about the supremacy of Parliament are now trying their hardest to prevent Parliament being 'supreme'.
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National and European(EU) Matters / Re: What does your crystal ball say about the Brexit outcome?
« Last post by fred c on January 15, 2019, 05: PM »
I'm beginning to come round to the belief that Brexit was always going to end up as a none Brexit, there are to many politicians and businesses that have to much to lose by leaving the EU, at the end of the day they have no real regard for the electorates opinions one way or the other.

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Local Issues and Matters / Re: Let them eat cake
« Last post by Inspector Knacker on January 15, 2019, 05: PM »
Quote from: fred c on January 14, 2019, 09: PM
Cake Cutter Carl.....It's a tough job, but someone has to do i but it beats going to work.  ::)
That said, he may be a fully qualified Xmas cake cutter with a degree in the subject from the University of Santa. Admittedly it’s seasonal, but hectic at the time. ;D
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Local Issues and Matters / Re: Tourism Tax
« Last post by Inspector Knacker on January 15, 2019, 05: PM »
Are the ‘failures’ quietly buried at midnight or stored in a warehouse of Indiana Jones proportions. Maybe it was a case of selective amnesia that the failures weren’t mentioned, or maybe not.
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Local Issues and Matters / Re: Tourism Tax
« Last post by fred c on January 15, 2019, 02: PM »
That Vision wasn't featured in the  recent 5 year look back brochure presented by Cwistopher and Ms Alexander ........How many of these non occurring visions have this pair presented to the residents of Hartlepool, it would be interesting to see a full list of their expensive brainwaves.
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National and European(EU) Matters / Re: What does your crystal ball say about the Brexit outcome?
« Last post by mk1 on January 15, 2019, 02: PM »
I like watching the Corbynist's  squirm when the Dear Leader makes it quite clear he is not going to hold another vote and that he is a die-hard 'Leaver'. They have spent the last couple of years worshipping his every utterance convinced he was going to lead them to Nirvana and  it turns out he was just another little-englander gammon in mufti!  The sentiments of the overwhelming majority of the new intake are in direct conflict with the Dear Leader's  core values. Should be interesting to watch how this turns out when the Labour Party starts to fragment over the issue.

Latest polls here

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

On the Brexit deal itself BMG found that 29% of people think MPs should approve the deal (up 3 points from December), 37% think it should be rejected (down 6 points). Survation found 36% of people wanted MPs to approve the deal (up 5), 40% wanted it rejected (down 6). Both polls show some movement in favour of passing the deal, but still more opposition than support.

BMG asked whether people would support or oppose various alternative Brexit options. By 46% to 28% people would support a second referendum. By 45% to 39% people would support reversing Brexit and just remaining. Further negotiations were supported by 45% to 34%. A “Norway-style deal” was supported by 40% to 36%. Leaving without a deal was opposed by 45% to 35%.

Survation’s poll included questions on how people would vote in various referendum scenarios – in a deal vs no deal referendum, 41% would prefer the deal, 32% no deal. In a referendum between no deal Brexit and remain, people prefer remain by 46% to 41%. A deal vs referendum vote would be neck-and-neck: 40% deal, 40% remain.

We do indeed live in interesting times.............. ......
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