Two huge neon truck-adverts blinding motorists and blighting York Road. One right next to the Burn Valley roundabout the other at Lister Street outside the old Les Paynes shop. The party that was boasting it was going to replace Labour is now reduced to asking people to 'stop' Corbyn. Given the offending Party is languishing wll behind even the Liberals in the polls that seems to be a tacit admission they now see themselves as just vote-splitters rather than a major player.
RIP UKIP Part Deux!.
I hope Corbyn asks for some help from the Chinese and given Boris is a Russian asset what would be the problem with that? Perhaps the Chinese could send this lot over to march up and down Church Street. It would certainly brighten the place up!
https://youtu.be/-cXXw4x58-4?t=282
Whatever. ::)
INCOMING.......! Di
Quote from: mk1 on November 17, 2019, 03: PM
they now see themselves as just vote-splitters rather than a major player.
RIP UKIP Part Deux!.
Hey mki, as usual, buried deep inside some of your interminable mantras can be found the odd rare nugget of common sense. Vote-splitting is exactly where we are but can I ask you that if the road from Greatham is open today, would you like to come and join us canvassing for our next MP Richard Tice. So far the word on the doorstep is very, very positive. Of course some of it is people pinching their noses and voting BP just to do anything to stop the chlorinated chicken, comrade Corbyn get his tawdry, dangerous hands on any sort of power, and that seems to be the overwhelming motivation, but of course that's mixed with a fair degree of......"Cranney....are you serious?" plus a dollop of "A Tory for Hartlepool!......hard to see that" then there's...."Hill.....didn't even know he was our MP until he got suspended". Roll on the 12th. Jobs and investment for Hartlepool.
Quote from: mk1 on November 17, 2019, 04: PM
I hope Corbyn asks for some help from the Chinese and given Boris is a Russian asset what would be the problem with that? Perhaps the Chinese could send this lot over to march up and down Church Street. It would certainly brighten the place up!
https://youtu.be/-cXXw4x58-4?t=282
It certainly would, MK1. Gawd knows, it needs brightening up! I'm just confused as to why the previous shower didn't invite them?
Quote from: Hubris on November 18, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: mk1 on November 17, 2019, 03: PM
they now see themselves as just vote-splitters rather than a major player.
RIP UKIP Part Deux!.
So far the word on the doorstep is very, very positive. Of course some of it is people pinching their noses and voting BP just to do anything to stop the chlorinated chicken, comrade Corbyn get his tawdry, dangerous hands on any sort of power, and that seems to be the overwhelming motivation, but of course that's mixed with a fair degree of......"Cranney....are you serious?" plus a dollop of "A Tory for Hartlepool!......hard to see that" then there's...."Hill.....didn't even know he was our MP until he got suspended". Roll on the 12th. Jobs and investment for Hartlepool.
Probably a fair summary of the thoughts of many in Hartlepool.
So assuming Boris gets in and we Brexit asap....but out of shear frustration and lack of other viable options we end up with a Brexit party MP what EXACTLY will he be doing as a Brexit Party MP when we have Brexitted?
Bit like a Y2K party winning a seat in December 1999 and then sitting around wondering what do do in January 2000?
The only alternative then is 'Dynamic Mike'....!!!!!!!! Surely not.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 18, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: mk1 on November 17, 2019, 04: PM
I hope Corbyn asks for some help from the Chinese and given Boris is a Russian asset what would be the problem with that? Perhaps the Chinese could send this lot over to march up and down Church Street. It would certainly brighten the place up!
https://youtu.be/-cXXw4x58-4?t=282
It certainly would, MK1. Gawd knows, it needs brightening up! I'm just confused as to why the previous shower didn't invite them?
When the Chinese get 'invited' in they tend to stay and build a naval base. In Hartlepool's case how they're gonna fool us Hartlepool is in the South China Sea I haven't a clue!
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 18, 2019, 03: PM
The only alternative then is 'Dynamic Mike'....!!!!!!!! Surely not.
= equivalent of voting for Monster Raving Loony party.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 18, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 18, 2019, 03: PM
The only alternative then is 'Dynamic Mike'....!!!!!!!! Surely not.
= equivalent of voting for Monster Raving Loony party.
What i find bizarre is the number of people who would NOT have voted for UKIP in a million years, but who are absolutely fully on board and happy to vote for the Brexit Party.
There are people who i've spoken to over the years about politics who sneer, shake their heads and contort their faces when you say 'UKIP', but then nod their heads and look thoughtfully when you say 'Brexit Party'.
It's like when people who stopped buying the News of the World because their journalists hacked the voice phones of murdered children, then those same people started buying the Sun on Sunday.
We can safely assume you have it in your mind that you are dealing with Brexiteers and people in most cases have openly expressed how they will vote.
But despite their openness, you reveal nothing of your voting intentions. Come on, don't be shy, if you want to berate people for their choice and convert them to your viewpoint why the secrecy from you? Geese and ganders come to mind.
Again, there's those double standards. You WON'T reveal your reasons for voting for brexit, but you EXPECT me to willingly reveal my voting intentions at your request?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 19, 2019, 08: AM
Again, there's those double standards. You WON'T reveal your reasons for voting for brexit, but you EXPECT me to willingly reveal my voting intentions at your request?
Ah, so you're still using the old 'double standard' deflection technique. ::)
You say I won't reveal my reasons for voting Brexit. So, logically therefore
you know I'm voting brexit. So you do have information from me about my voting intentions!
Then you want me to tell you my reasons, so you then know everything.
YET,
YOU GIVE NOTHING AWAY ABOUT YOURSELF. ::) ::) ::) ::)
All you're doing is fishing for the much craved racist xenophobe on the board that appears not to exist. Must be disappointing for you, so put the burning torches, pitchforks etc on standby for now.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 18, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 18, 2019, 03: PM
The only alternative then is 'Dynamic Mike'....!!!!!!!! Surely not.
= equivalent of voting for Monster Raving Loony party.
I am afraid Farage has assumed that mantle. Only a few months ago he was claiming 'he' was the new force in politics and he was going to sweep to power 'at the next election'. His acolytes here were in rapture over the Euro Election results and boasted they were going to replace Labour as the opposition. Turns out they were wrong. Farage is a political incompetent and he first threatened Boris and when it did not work he completely caved in and gave away all his bargaining power without getting anything in return. This is the man who says he could negotiate with The EU when it turns out he is a total confrontation-avoiding coward who dare not even stand for Westminster (his 6 previous defeats must weigh on his mind) and was scared to death by the way his Party has sunk in the polls. The Brexit Party is shattered. It is finished so even if Hartlepool upholds its tradition of electing extremist candidates a Brexit MP will be completely isolated and of no use to the town at all.
It's worth noting that Hartlepool currently has ten Brexit Party councillors and none of them were elected under the Brexit party banner.I can't help but wonder which flag they will jump to if the Brexit candidate fails to become Hartlepool's MP.
Quote from: Topcat on November 19, 2019, 11: AM
It's worth noting that Hartlepool currently has ten Brexit Party councillors and none of them were elected under the Brexit party banner.I can't help but wonder which flag they will jump to if the Brexit candidate fails to become Hartlepool's MP.
Shane will certainly rejoin the Conservatives. It is just a question of how long he thinks he needs to wait without it being seen as blatant political positioning. He needs an excuse (no matter how flimsy) to try and defend himself and I predict it will be bollocks along the line 'Boris adopted the Brexit Party position so our work is done'.
Politicians have no shame.
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 18, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 18, 2019, 03: PM
The only alternative then is 'Dynamic Mike'....!!!!!!!! Surely not.
= equivalent of voting for Monster Raving Loony party.
The Brexit Party is shattered. It is finished so even if Hartlepool upholds its tradition of electing extremist candidates a Brexit MP will be completely isolated and of no use to the town at all.
Just to clarify, Mk1....the way that the sentence reads, are you saying that, in your opinion, the Brexit party are extremists. If so, why?
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 10: AM
if Hartlepool upholds its tradition of electing extremist candidates
Name one extremist candidate we've elected as MP.
This should be fun :'(
He doesn't say MP. He obviously means some of the local councillors people have elected lately. Pay attention.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 18, 2019, 02: PM
So assuming Boris gets in and we Brexit asap....but out of shear frustration and lack of other viable options we end up with a Brexit party MP what EXACTLY will he be doing as a Brexit Party MP when we have Brexitted?
I guess Hubris as in Brexit party supporter can not answer above question?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 19, 2019, 01: PM
He doesn't say MP. He obviously means some of the local councillors people have elected lately. Pay attention.
mmmm yes please do...what he said was...
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 10: AM
........even if Hartlepool upholds its tradition of electing extremist candidates a Brexit MP will be completely isolated and of no use to the town at all.
It could be argued
Mandy is an extremist who has no idea about life in Hartlepool
Wrighty= attention seeking career builder who lost the plot over the Hartlepool Hospital fiasco
Mike
Hunt Hill = who? Anyone ever had anything positive from him?
All of them labour aka Socialist extremists.....don't get me wrong I do not support any of the local/national candidates,
as MK1 stated politicians have no
Shane oops shame.....
Quote from: DRiddle on November 19, 2019, 01: PM
He doesn't say MP. He obviously means some of the local councillors people have elected lately. Pay attention.
I never said he did, but that's what we're electing. Mk1's definition of an 'extremist' is anyone who doesn't share his view, hardly a good guide. ::)
As for 'pay attention', don't be so patronising Mr Chips.
Oh, by the way I see you avoided my awkward question earlier, don't worry though I'll keep reminding you.
What was you're question again? I probably barely read it when I saw your name attached to it.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 01: PM
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 10: AM
if Hartlepool upholds its tradition of electing extremist candidates
Name one extremist candidate we've elected as MP.
This should be fun
It is,.............for me.
I never linked to a GE candidate so my charge-that Hartlepool elects disgusting far-right candidates-is correct. Check the gaffes by the early UKIP Councillors whilst we are talking about extreme right-wing views. . They held very strong (and unfavourable) views about a lot of minorities. Do you want me to post the letter of complaint a certain UKIP Official made (in the Hartlepool Mail?) about 'dem der darkies' getting Council Grants for their Community Centre?
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 12: PM
Just to clarify, Mk1....the way that the sentence reads, are you saying that, in your opinion, the Brexit party are extremists. If so, why?
They want a Hard No Deal Brexit. That is an extreme position. There are opinion polls showing a large number of 'Leavers' are quite prepared to see the back of NI, Scotland and Wales over this issue.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 19, 2019, 02: PM
What was you're question again? I probably barely read it when I saw your name attached to it.
Er, it was the question you DID read...... but can't answer.
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 12: PM
Just to clarify, Mk1....the way that the sentence reads, are you saying that, in your opinion, the Brexit party are extremists. If so, why?
They want a Hard No Deal Brexit. That is an extreme position. There are opinion polls showing a large number of 'Leavers' are quite prepared to see the back of NI, Scotland and Wales over this issue.
That is an extreme position in
your opinion.
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 12: PM
There are opinion polls showing a large number of 'Leavers' are quite prepared to see the back of NI, Scotland and Wales over this issue.
Only a matter of time before it happens.......
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 01: PM
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 10: AM
if Hartlepool upholds its tradition of electing extremist candidates
Name one extremist candidate we've elected as MP.
This should be fun
It is,.............for me.
I never linked to a GE candidate so my charge-that Hartlepool elects disgusting far-right candidates-is correct. Check the gaffes by the early UKIP Councillors whilst we are talking about extreme right-wing views. . They held very strong (and unfavourable) views about a lot of minorities. Do you want me to post the letter of complaint a certain UKIP Official made (in the Hartlepool Mail?) about 'dem der darkies' getting Council Grants for their Community Centre?
I never said you did, however, we are in the midst of a general election. When you start mentioning candidates, people naturally assume you are referring to the next MP.
To refer to a load of ignorant duffers from a few years back as extremists is a tad over the top and sounds rather alarmist. Where did they end up...nowhere, they were perfectly capable of destroying themselves. Extremists...? Seriously? They weren't armed with AK47's, just abysmal IQ's and a rent a brain philosophy, but they were never gonna storm the Winter Palace, the country ain't that daft.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 07: AM
We can safely assume you have it in your mind that you are dealing with Brexiteers and people in most cases have openly expressed how they will vote.
But despite their openness, you reveal nothing of your voting intentions. Come on, don't be shy, if you want to berate people for their choice and convert them to your viewpoint why the secrecy from you? Geese and ganders come to mind.
HERE YOU ARE DAVID, ANOTHER CHANCE TO ANSWER.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 03: PM
To refer to a load of ignorant duffers from a few years back as extremists is a tad over the top and sounds rather alarmist. Where did they end up...nowhere, they were perfectly capable of destroying themselves. Extremists...? Seriously? They weren't armed with AK47's, just abysmal IQ's and a rent a brain philosophy, but they were never gonna storm the Winter Palace, the country ain't that daft.
Shane left the Conservative Party to join up with them. Some are now in the IU, Oh sorry I mean The Brexit Party.
Bring back the monkey and we can all vote for it !!! come to think of it any misfits could do a better job than the circus of idiots we have at the moment ..
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 03: PM
To refer to a load of ignorant duffers from a few years back as extremists is a tad over the top and sounds rather alarmist. Where did they end up...nowhere, they were perfectly capable of destroying themselves. Extremists...? Seriously? They weren't armed with AK47's, just abysmal IQ's and a rent a brain philosophy, but they were never gonna storm the Winter Palace, the country ain't that daft.
Shane left the Conservative Party to join up with them. Some are now in the IU, Oh sorry I mean The Brexit Party.
You miss the point. You come across something you don't like and condemn every single part of it. Every Party has it's odd balls, but your tunnel vision drives you to attack everyone in the Brexit Party because of your own intolerance. It 's become an obsession and the emotive use of the word extremist does not help to describe those you appear to find abhorrent. Keep words like extremist for those who truly deserve the title.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 19, 2019, 08: AM
Again, there's those double standards. You WON'T reveal your reasons for voting for brexit, but you EXPECT me to willingly reveal my voting intentions at your request?
You know who we are supposedly voting for, so return the compliment. Who gets your X David....?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
You miss the point. You come across something you don't like and condemn every single part of it. Every Party has it's odd balls, but your tunnel vision drives you to attack everyone in the Brexit Party because of your own intolerance. It 's become an obsession and the emotive use of the word extremist does not help to describe those you appear to find abhorrent. Keep words like extremist for those who truly deserve the title.
The Brexit Party are extremists. They were (before their implosion) campaigning for a Hard Brexit and say the Boris Deal is a 'sell out'. They self-define as extremists on Brexit and it is their
only policy. They glory in their extremist appellation. The only saving grace is they are on a course to an 'extreme' oblivion!
There are those who are more interested in attacking the current leader for changing party's than they are in giving the bloke some credit for what he is trying to do, there has been more information forthcoming about what the council are trying to achieve under Shane Moore in 7 months than the previous 7 years under under the SCABAL and the LabMob.
Personally I have long thought that local party politics of any description is toxic, you need to look no further than the bull***t and poison spouted by the Pixies since labour lost control of the council, there are still a fair number of the venomous labmob supporters peddling their vitriol at anyone who disagrees with them.
Their primary aim is for labour to regain power both locally and nationally and we have 50 years of evidence of what labour have achieved in Hartlepool and the wider northeast in those years, me I'd settle for a council who looked after the town and its residents first, second and third.
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
There are those who are more interested in attacking the current leader for changing party's than they are in giving the bloke some credit for what he is trying to do........
He never changed party.
He changed the name of his party but he never changed his politics.
I never for a second was fooled by his name change and I said on the forum
at the time he would join the not-yet-launched Farage Party and will produce the quote if anyone wants the proof.
The 'IU' deception was used so he could claim he was non-partisan and apolitical
just to get elected and when challenged on this very forum he flat-out lied that he was not interested/would not join a 'National Political Party' of any description. Again I will produce the quote if this is denied.
In short it was a planned-in-advance deception by Hartlepool UKIP to transition to the new Farage Party and anyone who claims the senior Brexit Party official & Brexit Party MEP Tennant did not map all this out in advance is gullible in the extreme.
I did try and give Shane the benefit of the doubt. Much against my better judgment I was one of those who
on this forum called Labour liars when they predicted a deal would be done with the SCAB Cabal to give Shane control of the Council. Turned out I was wrong and Labour were right.
In short Shane is just another lying politician who will say or do anything to advance his politics and is no different to the Labour group he replaced.
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
You miss the point. You come across something you don't like and condemn every single part of it. Every Party has it's odd balls, but your tunnel vision drives you to attack everyone in the Brexit Party because of your own intolerance. It 's become an obsession and the emotive use of the word extremist does not help to describe those you appear to find abhorrent. Keep words like extremist for those who truly deserve the title.
The Brexit Party are extremists. They were (before their implosion) campaigning for a Hard Brexit and say the Boris Deal is a 'sell out'. They self-define as extremists on Brexit and it is their only policy. They glory in their extremist appellation. The only saving grace is they are on a course to an 'extreme' oblivion!
Funny of all the nutters in all Party's in this election, you only choose to be obsessed by a variant of a policy. As far as I'm aware, no one is being imprisoned illegally and put into camps, terror doesn't roam the streets, jackboots aren't crunching on glass, that's extremism.To have some phobia against a trade deal you can't cope with strikes me as 'bong eyed loon' territory.
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
there has been more information forthcoming about what the council are trying to achieve under Shane Moore in 7 months than the previous 7 years under under the SCABAL and the LabMob.
'Trying to achieve'? Is that not shorthand for 'Masterplan'?
Apart from raising CT to the max and charging for recycling what is The Brexit Party vision for Hartlepool?
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
There are those who are more interested in attacking the current leader for changing party's than they are in giving the bloke some credit for what he is trying to do........
He never changed party.
He changed the name of his party but he never changed his politics.
I never for a second was fooled by his name change and I said on the forum at the time he would join the not-yet-launched Farage Party and will produce the quote if anyone wants the proof.
The 'IU' deception was used so he could claim he was non-partisan and apolitical just to get elected and when challenged on this very forum he flat-out lied that he was not interested/would not join a 'National Political Party' of any description. Again I will produce the quote if this is denied.
In short it was a planned-in-advance deception by Hartlepool UKIP to transition to the new Farage Party and anyone who claims the senior Brexit Party official & Brexit Party MEP Tennant did not map all this out in advance is gullible in the extreme.
I did try and give Shane the benefit of the doubt. Much against my better judgment I was one of those who on this forum called Labour liars when they predicted a deal would be done with the SCAB Cabal to give Shane control of the Council. Turned out I was wrong and Labour were right.
In short Shane is just another lying politician who will say or do anything to advance his politics and is no different to the Labour group he replaced.
So who are you voting for...?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 19, 2019, 07: PM
........by a variant of a policy..
The party of which we speak only have the one policy!
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 06: PM
There are those who are more interested in attacking the current leader for changing party's than they are in giving the bloke some credit for what he is trying to do........
He never changed party.
He changed the name of his party but he never changed his politics.
I never for a second was fooled by his name change and I said on the forum at the time he would join the not-yet-launched Farage Party and will produce the quote if anyone wants the proof.
The 'IU' deception was used so he could claim he was non-partisan and apolitical just to get elected and when challenged on this very forum he flat-out lied that he was not interested/would not join a 'National Political Party' of any description. Again I will produce the quote if this is denied.
In short it was a planned-in-advance deception by Hartlepool UKIP to transition to the new Farage Party and anyone who claims the senior Brexit Party official & Brexit Party MEP Tennant did not map all this out in advance is gullible in the extreme.
I did try and give Shane the benefit of the doubt. Much against my better judgment I was one of those who on this forum called Labour liars when they predicted a deal would be done with the SCAB Cabal to give Shane control of the Council. Turned out I was wrong and Labour were right.
In short Shane is just another lying politician who will say or do anything to advance his politics and is no different to the Labour group he replaced.
Quite frankly I don't give a flying flamingo what you think anymore, I am sick of the self righteous i'm right and everyone else is wrong attitude, you make a big thing of CAB gaining a chair, I didn't like it then and I don't like it now, but I still haven't heard a sensible reason as to why labour did not put forward a candidate for the position.......apart from, by not doing so it gave labour a big stick to beat Shane Moore with.
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 08: PM
I am sick of the self righteous i'm right and everyone else is wrong attitude,
You are talking out of your ar*se. I have no more of an attitude than any other poster and the real 'problem' is I refuse to overlook Shane's lies and deception.
I have said Shane lied and I supplied the post where he lied. To date not one single person has even attempted to say
he did not lie Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 08: PM
you make a big thing of CAB gaining a chair, I didn't like it then and I don't like it now, but I still haven't heard a sensible reason as to why labour did not put forward a candidate for the position.......apart from, by not doing so it gave labour a big stick to beat Shane Moore with.
Shane supplied the club so blame him. Shane also went into a pact with the Conservatives. You remember them? The Conservatives you spent years castigating because they propped up the SCABs?
As I said I don't give F/F for your opinions, thoughts, facts, inventions or anything else you spout off about.......
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 09: PM
As I said I don't give F/F for your opinions, thoughts, facts, inventions or anything else you spout off about.......
There you go, lying like Shane.
You are lying when you say I post invention
Here is proof of Shane lying on this Forum
Quote from: SRMoore on July 27, 2019, 04: PM
I myself have no link to the Brexit Party other than that I am a supporter of the UK leaving the EU ................... I am an independent councillor and that is how it was remain going forward.............I have absolutely no interests in getting involved with national politics..............
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 12: PM
Just to clarify, Mk1....the way that the sentence reads, are you saying that, in your opinion, the Brexit party are extremists. If so, why?
They want a Hard No Deal Brexit. That is an extreme position. There are opinion polls showing a large number of 'Leavers' are quite prepared to see the back of NI, Scotland and Wales over this issue.
Why is it an extreme position? I'm sure there are quite a large number of residents of NI, Scotland and Wales that are quite prepared to see the back of, well, what's left....England!
What exactly is the difference between a deal before the leave date (whenever that will be!) and negotiating a deal AFTER the date? Surely the UK is in a better position strategically to negotiate a 'new' deal, whatever that might mean to people, AFTER the event. Then the EU CANNOT dictate THEIR terms as they have (already) done!
It's only an EXTREME position if you are against leaving, imo. Having said that and just to clarify my position....I voted leave... and having followed all the shenanigans from BOTH sides, whilst learning along the way, the only genuine assumption that I can make, is that....as you alluded to, Mk1...ALL politicians, British and EU, are basically corrupt, just out to serve themselves!
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 10: PM
Why is it an extreme position? I'm sure there are quite a large number of residents of NI, Scotland and Wales that are quite prepared to see the back of, well, what's left....England! ?
Probably. But they are extremists too.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 10: PM
Then the EU CANNOT dictate THEIR terms as they have (already) done!
Emotive language. The EU are not dictating. They are negotiating. They have a position and they explain what it is they are willing to give for-and a lot of people do not seem to ignore this bit- for allowing the UK continued access to its markets.
The UK is in effect leaving a club. That club has rules that all the members adhere too. What the UK is trying to do is keep all the advantages of that club whilst ignoring all the rules that apply to members. If you say making someone pay a membership fee in order to continue to have the benefits of being a member is blackmail then every Gym (for example) in the UK is commiting blackmail. The principle is simple so why is there so much confusion as to the process?
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 10: PM
It's only an EXTREME position if you are against leaving,
That claim would mean the majority of the UK was in favour of a No Deal solution. All the polls show that only a minority want that result.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2019, 10: PM
. having followed all the shenanigans from BOTH sides, whilst learning along the way, the only genuine assumption that I can make, is that....as you alluded to, Mk1...ALL politicians, British and EU, are basically corrupt, just out to serve themselves!
That is the way it is, how it always was and how it always will be. Elections can never be anything more than a brake on 'business as usual'. New regimes are like the stick you use to scrape dog-poo off your wheels. A messy job and you know it wont be long before you will have repeat the process. Those who believe a Political Party claiming it will 'end corruption' or 'give power back to the people' are naive but not stupid. The same people would never vote for a political party promising change if they thought that party did not share their political views. A right-wing voter would never vote for Corbyn even if he knew Corbyn would end corruption and Boris had no intention of keeping any of his election promises. Tribal beliefs are so ingrained that real change is impossible. Anyone who thinks they are impartial, bias -free above all this is truly exceptional.-and fooling themselves!
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 08: PM
I still haven't heard a sensible reason as to why labour did not put forward a candidate for the position.......apart from, by not doing so it gave labour a big stick to beat Shane Moore with.
They were sulking that's why, the all had faces like smacked ar*#s. As for their criticism of CAB in a chair, they all kissed his backside for years and slavishly obeyed his every command, so that's a bit rich. Basically, they swerved their civic duty.
Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 19, 2019, 08: PM
I am sick of the self righteous i'm right and everyone else is wrong attitude,
You are talking out of your ar*se. I have no more of an attitude than any other poster and the real 'problem' is I refuse to overlook Shane's lies and deception.
I have said Shane lied and I supplied the post where he lied. To date not one single person has even attempted to say he did not lie
Seriously you appear to be disturbingly obsessed by this and it's amounting to little more than unbridled political stalking.
You express more venom and bile over this than you ever did over the serial oafs who were allegedly in charge for the past few years. Puzzling.
Something very odd.
The Shane "thing" highlights an issue. If a politician is elected by voters to represent them and promote policies of a party- or to promote independent policies and THEN decides to jump ship and join another party they should be forced to resign and a new election held.
Shame Shane is a typical example- he was not elected as a Brexit party clownciller.......same as the legion of the lost that have left various parties and clambered onboard the LD raft...
In some ways what his long terms plans were are irrelevant- he is now not representing the people who voted for him so should go....exactly the same as Mike ....ignore the electorate the party knows better.....Hill.
I agree he should have stood for re-election. However, that chance will arrive in May and the electorate will decide. No rules have been broken even though it defies fair play rules to me.
However in the Great scheme of things, it hardly warrants the bother some people are going to vilify them who are in effect temporary till May and I'll bet a pound to a penny if they all joined any party that wasn't pro brexit there'd hardly have been a ripple.
The Elections in May will decide.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2019, 07: AM
Seriously you appear to be disturbingly obsessed by this and it's amounting to little more than unbridled political stalking.
Nothing odd at all. It is an undeniable fact. I need do no more than simply quote Shane and his lap-dogs are incandescent with rage. They froth at their foam-flecked monitor, they berate, they harangue, they castigate.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/1iz2kG.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl1iz2kGj)
and the only defence they never attempt is denying it because the one thing they can not do is deny Shane lied. To be fair no one has even tried. Even you know how hopeless it is to deny and thus this pathetic attempt to deflect.
Here another classic example of foot-shooting:
Quote from: SRMoore on November 26, 2018, 01: PM
For absolute clarity I will state that I would not and do not want to be the leader of the council.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2019, 08: AM
I'll bet a pound to a penny if they all joined any party that wasn't pro brexit there'd hardly have been a ripple.
Your bookie must make a good living from you.
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2019, 07: AM
Seriously you appear to be disturbingly obsessed by this and it's amounting to little more than unbridled political stalking.
Nothing odd at all. It is an undeniable fact. I need do no more than simply quote Shane and his lap-dogs are incandescent with rage. They froth at their foam-flecked monitor, they berate, they harangue, they castigate. they laugh.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/1iz2kG.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl1iz2kGj)Ah, .... your unfunny cartoon again.
Cue mechanical voice......
To be fair no one has even tried. Even you know how hopeless it is to deny and thus this pathetic attempt to deflect.
You're sounding like a Darth Vader tribute act now Oh dear
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2019, 08: AM
I'll bet a pound to a penny if they all joined any party that wasn't pro brexit there'd hardly have been a ripple.
Your bookie must make a good living from you.
I've never lost yet in a bookies, never bet unless you have all the inside information my Uncle Jimmy wisely advised me. ;)
If Shane hadn't 'lied' and was completely honest regarding his every move and his future plans, the electorate (but probably more so the posters on here), would think he was unhinged....a councillor telling the truth :o...there must be a catch, they'd say! Whatever his motives, it's done now...no one was hurt...and even Cwissy got a second chance! Let's just hope he can do what the previous clowns failed to do. That is improve Hartlepool and make it a place to be proud to live in!
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 20, 2019, 01: PM
If Shane hadn't 'lied' and was completely honest regarding his every move and his future plans, the electorate (but probably more so the posters on here), would think he was unhinged....a councillor telling the truth :o...there must be a catch, they'd say! Whatever his motives, it's done now...no one was hurt...and even Cwissy got a second chance! Let's just hope he can do what the previous clowns failed to do. That is improve Hartlepool and make it a place to be proud to live in!
I don't see anything wrong with that point of view, what's wrong with wanting the best for the town we all live in.
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2019, 01: PM
I don't see anything wrong with that point of view, what's wrong with wanting the best for the town we all live in.
It is the end justifies the means excuse. It holds a fatal flaw in that the use of this excuse means you are already defending sub-par performance or a transgression. The error is the assumption your side is 'right'.
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2019, 01: PM
I don't see anything wrong with that point of view, what's wrong with wanting the best for the town we all live in.
It is the end justifies the means excuse. It holds a fatal flaw in that the use of this excuse means you are already defending sub-par performance or a transgression. The error is the assumption your side is 'right'.
It's not an excuse, just an observation! It's not like he stole £millions from the coffers (MRA) is it! It was a few porkies in order to either get him elected as Top Cat and / or to cover the trail. Everyone lies, everyday for whatever reasons. Plus, a week is a long time in politics, as they say, so Shane can say one thing last week and something different next week. He'd probably make a
good MP!
I must say, Mk1, that you did well spotting what did eventually happen but please don't waste your time and skill on this one subject when I reckon there's plenty more incidents for you to get your teeth into.
Here's the future for Shane post brexit/the collapse of the brexit party.
Within 2 years he'll be a Tory councillor on Rural West where he will remain for life. He'll switch seats when the going gets tough, in the all out probably taking Brenda's seat if she steps down after her stint as Mayor. Within those same 2 years i expect Labour to continue the clear out, rebuild properly and regain control of the council.
Shane's stint in the hot seat will be brief and ultimately he'll spend most of his time ensuring people with more money than him aren't too annoyed by dog $hit and a lack of bins in Ward Jackson Park.
There's my prediction.
Now try predicting your voting intentions.
First EMP defection from the Brexit Party.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/news/108075/fresh-blow-nigel-farage-scotlands-only-brexit-party-mep-quits
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 06: PM
First EMP defection from the Brexit Party.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/news/108075/fresh-blow-nigel-farage-scotlands-only-brexit-party-mep-quits
Reading the article, he quit in the main because he wasn't getting a hard Brexit. Is their something you aren't telling us?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2019, 06: PMIs their something you aren't telling us?
Yes, this bit:
Mr Stedman-Bryce also spoke of feeling "betrayed" that the party had selected a "homophobic"general election candidate in Glenrothes
It looks as though David has morphed into Hartlepools very own 'Mystic Meg' with his prophecies about Shane Moores political future, he has however let slip the spite he obviously has for Shane to peek out from under the duvet.
He has also started to wear his political allegiances on his lapel, not that it was much of a secret, interesting that he also feels the LabMob needs further cleansing, will he let it slip as to who he believes needs purging from the party.
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2019, 06: PMIs their something you aren't telling us?
Yes, this bit:
Mr Stedman-Bryce also spoke of feeling "betrayed" that the party had selected a "homophobic"general election candidate in Glenrothes
Being a bit selective again....?
The Brexit MEP said he was leaving because..." I don't trust Boris Johnson to deliver the type of Brexit I voted for".
Now being a Brexit MEP, that would be a no deal hard Brexit, the sort of thing that normally gives you the 'vapours' and the need to lay down in a darkened room, therefore he qualifies in your words as a 'bong eyed loon'.
The bit you conveniently left out in your selective piece that was reported was ....' The Brexit Party cut all ties with Victor Farrell almost as soon as the comments came to light'.
Good to see supporting a 'bong eyed loon' as you call them, there's hope for you yet....or possibly not.
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2019, 06: PM
He has also started to wear his political allegiances on his lapel, not that it was much of a secret, interesting that he also feels the LabMob needs further cleansing, will he let it slip as to who he believes needs purging from the party.
Surely he hasn't went over to the Dark Side....?
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2019, 06: PM
It looks as though David has morphed into Hartlepools very own 'Mystic Meg' with his prophecies about Shane Moores political future,
I knew before he was last elected what Shane's political future was. I said it on the forum and it came to pass. It was patently obvious what he was up to and I predicted he would re-join the Farage Vanity Project UKIP Part Deux.
Predicting Shane's future actions is relatively easy for those who know his history. He will go back to being a Conservative because the only reason he left is because Ray had the Tory Party sewn up as his own private Property. Shane will join whichever party he thinks will gives him a political future and his current party has no future.
Likewise, I too predicted Shane and the whole HIG would join the Brexit party. I was attacked at the time of doing so and comments were made about my "crystal ball" etc.
I was right.
I also predicted the precise time CAB would effectively lose Labour the council about 2 and a half years before it actually happened.
I was right.
I'll be right on this too in the fullness of time, mark my words.
I don't have spite towards Shane Fred, disappointment definitely, but not spite.
Spite usually stems from anger and jealousy.
I wouldn't want Shane's current position for two key reasons.
Firstly, my principles wouldn't allow me do any sort of deal with the Tories and/or Christopher Akers-Beecher.
And secondly, I couldn't afford the pay cut.
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2019, 01: PM
I don't see anything wrong with that point of view, what's wrong with wanting the best for the town we all live in.
It is the end justifies the means excuse. It holds a fatal flaw in that the use of this excuse means you are already defending sub-par performance or a transgression. The error is the assumption your side is 'right'.
As opposed to your side which is always right apparently. ::)
Quote from: DRiddle on November 20, 2019, 10: PM
Likewise, I too predicted Shane and the whole HIG would join the Brexit party. I was attacked at the time of doing so and comments were made about my "crystal ball" etc.
I was right.
You're a star
I also predicted the precise time CAB would effectively lose Labour the council about 2 and a half years before it actually happened.
Sorry, Superstar!!!!
I was right.
Genius
I'll be right on this too in the fullness of time, mark my words.
Right on
I don't have spite towards Shane Fred, disappointment definitely, but not spite.
So saintly
Spite usually stems from anger and jealousy.
The Vicar of St Right in the Clarts
I wouldn't want Shane's current position for two key reasons.
Firstly, my principles wouldn't allow me do any sort of deal with the Tories and/or Christopher Akers-Beecher.
Ah, 'principles'. So you'll be voting Labour then.....?
And secondly, I couldn't afford the pay cut.
normal service resumed.
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 10: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2019, 06: PM
It looks as though David has morphed into Hartlepools very own 'Mystic Meg' with his prophecies about Shane Moores political future,
I knew before he was last elected what Shane's political future was. I said it on the forum and it came to pass. It was patently obvious what he was up to and I predicted he would re-join the Farage Vanity Project UKIP Part Deux.
Predicting Shane's future actions is relatively easy for those who know his history. He will go back to being a Conservative because the only reason he left is because Ray had the Tory Party sewn up as his own private Property. Shane will join whichever party he thinks will gives him a political future and his current party has no future.
I got as far as 'I knew' and thankfully ' Repetitive Brexit Bile Syndrome' kicked in and put me into a deep coma, even the dog passed out as he was too near the screen. We awoke refreshed.
Your posts are being increasingly angry aren't they?
Trying a new angle of attack....? ;D ;D ;D Hey any decision on who your voting for sir...?
sounds like a REPEATED question. I thought that was frowned upon on this forum these days?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 21, 2019, 12: PM
sounds like a REPEATED question. I thought that was frowned upon on this forum these days?
You sound a bit bitter David, but hey, what the heck. Now if you don't like me asking just tell me it's your business and I'll never ask you again.
Whoooooooo Hooooooooooo is there anyone there...... is there a nyone there.....Looks as though there are a couple of mystics on the forum.......
Quote from: fred c on November 21, 2019, 02: PM
Whoooooooo Hooooooooooo is there anyone there...... is there a nyone there.....Looks as though there are a couple of mystics on the forum.......
Fred...just becos I'm disslekssik there's noo reason to call me a misfit :)
I'll get me coat!
Quote from: fred c on November 21, 2019, 02: PM
Whoooooooo Hooooooooooo is there anyone there...... is there a nyone there.....Looks as though there are a couple of mystics on the forum.......
Not mystics just people who(it would appear) are not as gullible as most here.. People who knew Shane was lying when he said he was an independent.
Quote from: mk1 on May 31, 2019, 03: PM
Anyone who believes Tennant can stand for Farage's new Party and then not follow through on every Farage policy locally is deluding themselves. The local IU are a right-wing political Group just waiting until they think it is safe to ditch the disguise and join Farage.
Quote from: mk1 on July 26, 2019, 04: PM
Its 100% certain that the IU is Farage stalking Horse. It is absolutely certain they will fight any GE as Farage Stooges and it was the plan before the last election.
Quote from: mk1 on May 27, 2019, 06: PM
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Shane's moment will come when an Election is announced. He has to find a way to re-brand the IU as 'Farage UKIP Mk II' by pretending it was a decision reached after much internal strife and soul-searching and not letting slip this was the plan right from the creation of the IU.
Quote from: mk1 on May 21, 2019, 08: PM
How long before the IU revert to their roots and re-brand themselves as part of Farages 'UKIP Mk II' political Party?
Quote from: mk1 on June 05, 2019, 09: PM
I am guessing the name of the game is keeping your head down and not making any mistakes to establish the brand. If a GE is coming the IU will campaign as part of Farage's UKIP Mk II...........
I suspect everyone knew he was lying but those who thought his lie was a price worth paying to advance their agenda deliberately 'pretended' not to know. Like the Labour Party sheep who overlooked every SCAB 'crime'. We now have a group of Shane Sheep who will overlook every Shane Crime. Jonathan always pops up to defend Labour and we now have our own resident 'Jonathans' who will always defend Shane.
"plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"...........
QuoteBrexit Party anyone?
« on: May 29, 2019, 08: AM »
Quote
It's been hinted at on here and on other social media platforms, so let's just kick this one around.
It seems inevitable Labour will formally support a second referendum as I said all along they've end up doing.
The stars are now aligning for a major battle in traditional Labour heartlands between Labour and the Brexit party.
This has already happened at European level and depending on what actually happens in October with the proposed withdrawal, it's also a battle that's likely to play out at local level in council seats and at national level in the general election.
Hartlepool looks certain to be a microcosm of this battle.
So . . . At what point do significant numbers of the current crop of councillors break cover and announce they're joining the Brexit Party?
The only thing that will save some of them in 2020s all outs is public support which outweighs the anger at the coalition and the scab association.
Hartlepool has a core of around 10,000-15,000 Brexit voters. That's enough to sweep the board in 2020.
I 'joked' about Farage as a candidate for MP for Hartlepool a while back. I'd say it's a distinct possibility him or someone else heavily associated with that crowd could pose a big threat.
So if/when this does happen (HIU and others rebrand as the Brexit party) where will the scabs fit into all of this?
Will they be so brazen they just join them formally, moving from hard left to right of centre within weeks?
Even SAB, who actually led the remain campaign for Labour in Hartlepool. Lol
Crazy CRAZY times.
I think it was 4 months
after i posted this that it happened.
I remember there were mocking comments made then about 'cloudy crystal balls' and mystics and that kind of thing.
Obviously i'll be recalling this thread WHEN Shane breaks cover and takes a tory seat on Rural West. ;)
Look at just how much of what MK1 and i said which turned out to be spot on. Second labour led referendum, check, HUI break rank and join the brexit party, check, big hitting brexit party candidate contests the Hartlepool seat, check.
Remind who's at the cricket club on Park Drive very soon. ;)
But please, crack on with the scepticism.
Quote from: mk1 on November 21, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 21, 2019, 02: PM
Whoooooooo Hooooooooooo is there anyone there...... is there a nyone there.....Looks as though there are a couple of mystics on the forum.......
Not mystics just people who(it would appear) are not as gullible as most here.. People who knew Shane was lying when he said he was an independent.
Quote from: mk1 on May 31, 2019, 03: PM
Anyone who believes Tennant can stand for Farage's new Party and then not follow through on every Farage policy locally is deluding themselves. The local IU are a right-wing political Group just waiting until they think it is safe to ditch the disguise and join Farage.
Quote from: mk1 on July 26, 2019, 04: PM
Its 100% certain that the IU is Farage stalking Horse. It is absolutely certain they will fight any GE as Farage Stooges and it was the plan before the last election.
Quote from: mk1 on May 27, 2019, 06: PM
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Shane's moment will come when an Election is announced. He has to find a way to re-brand the IU as 'Farage UKIP Mk II' by pretending it was a decision reached after much internal strife and soul-searching and not letting slip this was the plan right from the creation of the IU.
Quote from: mk1 on May 21, 2019, 08: PM
How long before the IU revert to their roots and re-brand themselves as part of Farages 'UKIP Mk II' political Party?
Quote from: mk1 on June 05, 2019, 09: PM
I am guessing the name of the game is keeping your head down and not making any mistakes to establish the brand. If a GE is coming the IU will campaign as part of Farage's UKIP Mk II...........
I suspect everyone knew he was lying but those who thought his lie was a price worth paying to advance their agenda deliberately 'pretended' not to know. Like the Labour Party sheep who overlooked every SCAB 'crime'. We now have a group of Shane Sheep who will overlook every Shane Crime. Jonathan always pops up to defend Labour and we now have our own resident 'Jonathans' who will always defend Shane.
"plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"...........
You appear to work on the lame duck principle that if you keep banging away repetitively like a demented woodpecker that Shane is the anti Christ etc, etc, your deflection tactic means we won't notice that Labours candidate is good old Mike, still looking like ......Mike Hill.
Love the French parting shot, what's all the about? It smacks of a patronising 'look at me I'm so clever'. ::)
Quote from: DRiddle on November 21, 2019, 04: PM
QuoteBrexit Party anyone?
« on: May 29, 2019, 08: AM »
Quote
It's been hinted at on here and on other social media platforms, so let's just kick this one around.
It seems inevitable Labour will formally support a second referendum as I said all along they've end up doing.
The stars are now aligning for a major battle in traditional Labour heartlands between Labour and the Brexit party.
This has already happened at European level and depending on what actually happens in October with the proposed withdrawal, it's also a battle that's likely to play out at local level in council seats and at national level in the general election.
Hartlepool looks certain to be a microcosm of this battle.
So . . . At what point do significant numbers of the current crop of councillors break cover and announce they're joining the Brexit Party?
The only thing that will save some of them in 2020s all outs is public support which outweighs the anger at the coalition and the scab association.
Hartlepool has a core of around 10,000-15,000 Brexit voters. That's enough to sweep the board in 2020.
I 'joked' about Farage as a candidate for MP for Hartlepool a while back. I'd say it's a distinct possibility him or someone else heavily associated with that crowd could pose a big threat.
So if/when this does happen (HIU and others rebrand as the Brexit party) where will the scabs fit into all of this?
Will they be so brazen they just join them formally, moving from hard left to right of centre within weeks?
Even SAB, who actually led the remain campaign for Labour in Hartlepool. Lol
Crazy CRAZY times.
I think it was 4 months after i posted this that it happened.
I remember there were mocking comments made then about 'cloudy crystal balls' and mystics and that kind of thing.
Obviously i'll be recalling this thread WHEN Shane breaks cover and takes a tory seat on Rural West. ;)
Look at just how much of what MK1 and i said which turned out to be spot on. Second labour led referendum, check, HUI break rank and join the brexit party, check, big hitting brexit party candidate contests the Hartlepool seat, check.
Remind who's at the cricket club on Park Drive very soon. ;)
But please, crack on with the scepticism.
Ok.... there's only you two obsessed by it.
Not looking too good........
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/4SKfQc.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl4SKfQcj)
Quote from: mk1 on November 21, 2019, 05: PM
Not looking too good........
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/4SKfQc.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl4SKfQcj)
When did you make that up....?
A Brexit Party obsessive......No wonder we had 26 pages of blatant anti brexit diatribe
Quote from: fred c on November 21, 2019, 07: PM
A Brexit Party obsessive......No wonder we had 26 pages of blatant anti brexit diatribe
Mk1's posts remind me of the beginning of the Star Wars film where the titles disappear into eternity. ;D
Quote from: fred c on November 21, 2019, 07: PM
A Brexit Party obsessive......
...defends lying Brexit politicians obsessively.
"A Brexit Party obsessive......No wonder we had 26 pages of blatant anti brexit diatribe"
That 26 page thread started off about inconsistent administration of the forum. It developed into a discussion about Brexit with very evasive Brexit voters. Strange times on this forum.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 06: AM
"A Brexit Party obsessive......No wonder we had 26 pages of blatant anti brexit diatribe"
That 26 page thread started off about inconsistent administration of the forum. It developed into a discussion about Brexit with very evasive Brexit voters. Strange times on this forum.
Did you blush when you wrote this.....?
You have this set in reinforced concrete attitude you are right, right, right and sneeringly incapable of compromise. You demand answers of those who's opinion you cannot even begin to comprehend and your only apparent wish is to steamroller underlings into laying prostrate before you in adoration of your self proclaimed genius.
Your attempt at being the Pied Piper of Remain with your oratory as the silver tongued cavalier of the EU has foundered on the rocks of being silly enough to demand answers then castigate those who fail to doff their caps in reference.
You must have twigged on even by now on one's interested and I suspect you're just desperately fishing for a comment to confirm the board as a hotbed of little Englander Xenophobes...and failing badly. And not forgetting filling the board up with wallpaper.
You don't get it and probably never will.
I just watched Farage on that far-right loony Fundamentalist Christian Channel and those peopel are bat-sh*it crazy. Completely unhinged nutters who live on another planet. This clip illustrates what ding-bats they are:
https://youtu.be/lNxrD0H38_A?t=449
and Frage went there to spout his Soros/elite/-Goldman Sachs/globalist (Note: these are the far-right code words for 'Jew') claptrap.
https://youtu.be/lNxrD0H38_A?t=1295
It is not a 'one off' either Nigel like to appear on lunatic conspiracy theory shows. He is a good friends with Alex Jones.
This is Alex Jones in full flow:
https://youtu.be/rEbYGSeJR0Q?t=72
and yet Nigel is a regular on his show.
https://youtu.be/XM6Hfe297bg?t=379
Quote from: fred c on November 21, 2019, 02: PM
Whoooooooo Hooooooooooo is there anyone there...... is there a nyone there.....Looks as though there are a couple of mystics on the forum.......
Talking of predictions was it only July when delusionalists were confident Farage was going to become Prime Minister?
https://youtu.be/sOOcgmkFHM8?t=76
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 07: AM
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You must have twigged on even by now on one's interested............
That is factually incorrect. No one else seems to have noticed but there was a 'Riddle-supportive' comment with a question that was ignored in the rush to deify Shane. I suspect the poster thought better of following it up and risk the Shane Coterie turning their bile on him.
Is it just coincidence that the vituperation of the Fruitcakes increasing at he same rate their predicted vote-share is sinking?
Death throes perhaps?
When I first came on this board it was all about local politics for me, the running of the town and what could be done to improve it's potential, because I do believe it has potential. It's been held by dire political inertia and local politicians so dumb they think Pearl Harbour owns an hairdressers off York Road.
So, what do you come on for apart from long obsessive rants and criticism of everything. I cannot recall one hopeful or positive post about the town but recall doom laden scenarios from about how the town has been in decline since Edwardian times and should be allowed to wither away because basically it's had it's day. You seem to be a political eunuch because you have no preferences politically just constant criticism for what appears the sake of it.
I don't come on to be 'educated' by keyboard prophets, or told how to vote or mocked for not sharing the same views as the enlightened ones. Debate by all means but the repetitive venomous derogation of those who do not conform to the enlightened ones Puritan standards kills that stone dead and make it more like a frenzied address to a Party Rally.
Try debating instead of ordering.
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 08: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 07: AM
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You must have twigged on even by now on one's interested............
That is factually incorrect.
Only in your world
No one else seems to have noticed but there was a 'Riddle-supportive' comment with a question that was ignored
Of course no one noticed, people tend to ignore posters who tell you you're a bit slow on the uptake. So that's one comment of support. Hardly a surge but he should ride the wave. ::)
I suspect the poster thought better of following it up and risk the Shane Coterie turning their bile on him.
In you imagination maybe.
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 08: AM
Is it just coincidence that the vituperation of the Fruitcakes increasing at he same rate their predicted vote-share is sinking?
Death throes perhaps?
Just once, try saying something positive instead of getting up off your bed of nails every morning to insult your usual victims.
Cue You tube clip.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 08: AM
Try debating instead of ordering.
I agree with most of your post IK but given the muppets we have on offer here as MP candidate and the clowns, past and present, who pretended to be clowncillers concerned with needs of the town suggesting we debate the issue is along the lines of suggesting we debate the earth is flat.
I have crossed swords with MK1 once or twice but often he is correct - basically all politicians are s**t.....the ones we have here in Hartlepool appear retarded.
I rest my case.....Mike Hill appears to be ....a bong eyed loony.....
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1207772/General-Election-Labour-Party-second-referendum-Brexit-Remain-Leave
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 09: AM
Just once, try saying something positive............
Positive? How about
'Farage is headed for the political wilderness again'?
It was a comment about the Brexit Party vote-share in the Polls. If you can tell me how to portray a pathetic 4% in a positive light when the Party boasted it was to replace Labour then by all means show me how it can be done.
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 09: AM
Just once, try saying something positive............
Positive? How about 'Farage is headed for the political wilderness again'?
It was a comment about the Brexit Party vote-share in the Polls. If you can tell me how to portray a pathetic 4% in a positive light when the Party boasted it was to replace Labour then by all means show me how it can be done.
Something positive about the town.
Your Brexit/Farage/Shane obsession is taking up too much of your time.
QuoteDebate by all means but the repetitive venomous derogation of those who do not conform to the enlightened ones Puritan standards kills that stone dead and make it more like a frenzied address to a Party Rally.
Try debating instead of ordering.
I can't see an order from anyone. There were requests for reasons, but i saw or read no orders.
By the way . . . 'DEBATE - a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting, legislative assembly etc., in which
opposing arguments are put forward.
How can i possibly debate Brexit with you if you point blank refuse to put forward your arguments for it?
You're asking for debate, yet blatantly stifling it.
We're back in the dark days of 2012 on this forum.
You're literally recommending and requesting debate, yet refusing to offer up the fundamental ingredient needed for a debate.
"By all means give me a Sunday dinner, but don't you go offering me your potatoes, carrots, Yorkshire puddings, roast beef and gravy".
Crazy times.
All politicians at moment are doing is offering different flavours pot noodle basically same thing with different flavors all ends up turning to same thing.......sh**e because they are all either thick delusional bent or a combination of them.
Get rid of Hartlepool clowncil not a single clownciller offers or has offered any value.
Replace voting system with online system
Get rid of minority groups who want equal say in running country i.e scotland wales and udp land.
You asked not once not twice not thrice, but umpteen times, almost every other poster didn't engage with you on your 'question' that didn't stop you, your questions morphed into a multitude of different aspects of the brexit situation.
And still there was no response from posters, cue the immigration insults, bong eyed loonies, thick a s**t etc etc etc.
You would not accept that posters did not want to engage in your anti brexit diatribe......Why was that, why not accept that fact and leave it at that.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 12: PM
QuoteDebate by all means but the repetitive venomous derogation of those who do not conform to the enlightened ones Puritan standards kills that stone dead and make it more like a frenzied address to a Party Rally.
Try debating instead of ordering.
I can't see an order from anyone. There were requests for reasons, but i saw or read no orders.
When someone keeps 'requesting' the same answer it becomes an order.
By the way . . . 'DEBATE - a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting, legislative assembly etc., in which opposing arguments are put forward.
I am fully conversant with the definition of the word debate thank you.
How can i possibly debate Brexit with you if you point blank refuse to put forward your arguments for it?
You can only have a debate if both party's wish to debate, end of story. No one can insist on a debate and to keep insisting only results in irritation.
You're asking for debate, yet blatantly stifling it.
I'm asking for the principle of debate, I do NOT wish to debate Brexit with you, so in the adult world both party's go their separate ways. Badgering people to debate is not acceptable.
We're back in the dark days of 2012 on this forum.
Were you being ignored then, because you bring everything down to you, you, you. To imply when things aren't dancing to your tune is the 'dark days' sounds terribly narcissistic.
You're literally recommending and requesting debate, yet refusing to offer up the fundamental ingredient needed for a debate.
Not at all, I just have no desire to debate with you. Can't you understand that? You have to realise debates with you are not the fundamental ingredient to me, debating with a radiator would be more constructive.
"By all means give me a Sunday dinner, but don't you go offering me your potatoes, carrots, Yorkshire puddings, roast beef and gravy".
That probably makes sense in your world.... or possibly not.
Crazy times.
Really.....? Surely unsettling times or even interesting times.
Quotebong eyed loonies, thick a s**t
Nothing even remotely close to words like that came from me.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 11: AM
Your Brexit/Farage/Shane obsession is taking up too much of your time.
It takes but a minute to bait the hook...............
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 03: PM
Quotebong eyed loonies, thick a s**t
Nothing even remotely close to words like that came from me.
I suspect the contributor was referring to your underlying unique style.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 03: PM
Quotebong eyed loonies, thick a s**t
Nothing even remotely close to words like that came from me.
Whatever.