Consequences .....................

Started by mk1, July 16, 2020, 09: PM

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mk1

The UK  has decided it can do things better than the EU so is leaving Europol.

UK SNUBS CRIME LINKS Britain will pull out of European Arrest Warrant and Europol against advice of top cops

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11060031/britain-pull-out-europol-arrest-warrant/


Did everyone read about the major coup recently where major crimes gangs were broken up  after their secret messaging service was compromised?


KINGPINS FALL 'Iconic' Mr Bigs among 746 crime lords busted in biggest ever crime sting after cops crack secret phone code

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12010384/crime-bosses-nicked-cops-crack-system/


The last operation was big news in the UK. Not so big news is that this  was a sting by  French & Dutch Police who, under the current Europol system, shared all the info freely with the UK Police who were then able to arrest the UK villians. After we leave Europol this automatic  sharing will be a thing of the past.




akarjl2

Quote from: mk1 on July 16, 2020, 09: PM
The UK  has decided it can do things better than the EU so is leaving Europol.

UK SNUBS CRIME LINKS Britain will pull out of European Arrest Warrant and Europol against advice of top cops

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11060031/britain-pull-out-europol-arrest-warrant/


Did everyone read about the major coup recently where major crimes gangs were broken up  after their secret messaging service was compromised?


KINGPINS FALL 'Iconic' Mr Bigs among 746 crime lords busted in biggest ever crime sting after cops crack secret phone code

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12010384/crime-bosses-nicked-cops-crack-system/


The last operation was big news in the UK. Not so big news is that this  was a sting by  French & Dutch Police who, under the current Europol system, shared all the info freely with the UK Police who were then able to arrest the UK villians. After we leave Europol this automatic  sharing will be a thing of the past.

You oddly ignored the section reporting"

QuoteInstead, Boris Johnson's plan is to push for similar agreements which safeguard civil liberties better, such as a new fast-track extradition process.

Mange tout Rodney...... :o
The Morons seemed to have gone but so have the normals.....

mk1

Quote from: akarjl2 on July 17, 2020, 06: AM


You oddly ignored the section reporting:

Instead, Boris Johnson's plan is to push for similar agreements which safeguard civil liberties better, such as a new fast-track extradition process.

Because its bollox.  Its a way for Boris to polish the turd. He thinks he can fool the (on average) less formally educated  Brexiteers with  his 'we hold all the cards'   fantasy.
The reality is different:

https://www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/02/07/2020/uks-policy-response-serious-and-organised-crime-after-brexit

Researchers and experts predict that the most likely outcome after Brexit is a 'second-tier membership' to the Europol, similar to arrangements that Europol has with the U.S. and Denmark, which in political terms would seem an acceptable agreement for the UK government and the EU at the moment. However, in practical terms, first the UK will lose its seat at the Europol Management Board and have 'observer status' on the board, so it can participate in meetings but does not have voting rights, nor official influence on the strategic direction or day-to-day management of the agency. Second, the UK law enforcement agencies will not be able to ensure guaranteed access to real-time data that it has enjoyed as a full member of the Europol. Instead, the UK, as a potential 'second-tier member' in Europol, will have indirect access to databases and be required to submit case-by-case requests. The UK is so far pushing for an arrangement whereby it can request access to the Europol databases without justifying its request, but Germany has blocked such arrangement unless it is subject to the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union for protection of data.


Quote from: akarjl2 on July 17, 2020, 06: AM

Mange tout Rodney......

The Germans are standing firm on this one Dave,  they  not going to allow Boris to 'have his cake and eat it too'

mk1

This happened yesterday

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/business/eu-data-transfer-pact-rejected.html


E.U. Court Strikes Down Trans-Atlantic Data Transfer Pact
The ruling is the latest twist in a campaign by privacy-rights activists in Europe to prevent personal information from being transferred to countries with looser protections................The efforts stem from revelations in 2013 by the American former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden about how U.S. government surveillance programs collected electronic communications from private businesses..................The court said some alternative data-transfer contracts struck between organizations were acceptable, though it cautioned that companies must be sure that a government outside Europe — in the United States or elsewhere — meets European privacy standards. Some companies may respond by storing more data inside the European Union.

The ruling affects big tech companies like Facebook and Google, as well as thousands of other multinational businesses. Lawyers said the data subject to transfer rules could include communications like emails and social media posts, financial records, business files, human resources materials about employees, marketing databases and customer records.




and is proof that the European Courts are far stronger on 'Civil Liberties' than the UK or the USA. Given the total electronic surveillance of the US population and that countries spying record it can only be a good thing. The idea that Boris will somehow be granted 'special access' to EU data  is delusional. Facebook & Amazon  will be disappointed with the ruling

akarjl2

Quote from: mk1 on July 17, 2020, 09: AM


and is proof that the European Courts are far stronger on 'Civil Liberties' than the UK or the USA

Phew....What part of we have left the EU are you not understanding?
The Morons seemed to have gone but so have the normals.....

akarjl2

Quote from: mk1 on July 17, 2020, 08: AM

Because its bollox. 

Bit like your defence of BLMUK  ;)

ok I guess we are doomed then.....

Cue dads army vid?
The Morons seemed to have gone but so have the normals.....

mk1

Quote from: akarjl2 on July 17, 2020, 11: AM
.What part of we have left the EU are you not understanding?

I understand perfectly. The UK has indeed left and is now trying  to get its goods back  in  to the EU. In short 'I know we have left can we keep all our members privileges'?
Why do the people who keep banging on about no deal being a good outcome  not understand that you already have a 'No Deal' deal?

It is not the EU  that is banging on the UK's door asking for a deal. All Boris has to do is end the talks and he has his Australian Style agreement. He uses the term 'Australian Style Agreement to fool  his (on average)less educationally qualified Brexiteer audience because the EU has no deal of any kind with Australia. The EU and Australia trade on WTO terms.   Australian Style Agreement is a euphemism for WTO/ 'No Deal'.
Boris is desperately trying to negotiate free  access to the EU and is not having much luck. Unfortunately no one bothered to tell  The EU that 'we hold all the cards' or that 'they need us more than we need them' and they are having none of it.