Brexit Party anyone?

[DRiddle]

It's been hinted at on here and on other social media platforms, so let's just kick this one around.

It seems inevitable Labour will formally support a second referendum as I said all along they've end up doing.

The stars are now aligning for a major battle in traditional Labour heartlands between Labour and the Brexit party.

This has already happened at European level and depending on what actually happens in October with the proposed withdrawal, it's also a battle that's likely to play out at local level in council seats and at national level in the general election.

Hartlepool looks certain to be a microcosm of this battle.

So . . . At what point do significant numbers of the current crop of councillors break cover and announce they're joining the Brexit Party?

The only thing that will save some of them in 2020s all outs is public support which outweighs the anger at the coalition and the scab association.

Hartlepool has a core of around 10,000-15,000 Brexit voters. That's enough to sweep the board in 2020.

I 'joked' about Farage as a candidate for MP for Hartlepool a while back. I'd say it's a distinct possibility him or someone else heavily associated with that crowd could pose a big threat.

So if/when this does happen (HIU and others rebrand as the Brexit party) where will the scabs fit into all of this?

Will they be so brazen they just join them formally, moving from hard left to right of centre within weeks?

Even SAB, who actually led the remain campaign for Labour in Hartlepool. Lol

Crazy CRAZY times.

[Hartlepudlion]

I think you are being a little harsh on the coalition (IU and the Tories). Give them a chance to show us what they can do before passing judgement.

As for 'association ' with the SCABs. I see no formal association. Surely the SCABs being involved is their right to do do so because they are members of a party within the Council.

The party to blame for their involvement is the Labour Party. Is it not the case that they are the ones who haven't nominated any of their candidates for Chairs because of article X (as you have referred to) in the party rules forbidding them to co-operate with an Independent majority?

[Lucy Lass-Tick]

I think you are being a little harsh on the coalition (IU and the Tories). Give them a chance to show us what they can do before passing judgement.

As for 'association ' with the SCABs. I see no formal association. Surely the SCABs being involved is their right to do do so because they are members of a party within the Council.

The party to blame for their involvement is the Labour Party. Is it not the case that they are the ones who haven't nominated any of their candidates for Chairs because of article X (as you have referred to) in the party rules forbidding them to co-operate with an Independent majority?

Harsh? Just a bit.  Some had the burning torches and pitchforks out without standing back & seeing how certain elements within (and sympathetic to) the Labour group have manipulated public opinion.

It seems that certain people just have to voice a vague, totally unsubstantiated theory and all of a sudden social media declares it to be valid. In my opinion, what's been touted as 'truth' by the faithful and their supporters has been anything but - and the skulduggery's been obscured by whipping people up into a frenzy.

[DRiddle]

What I do know for certain is the HIU formed a coalition with the Tories. Approximately 2% of the total Hartlepool electorate vote Tory at local level.

I also know the HIU were presented with a binary choice between James Black and Christopher Akers-Belcher to chair regeneration and opted for the latter.

The HIU hoovered up votes because they presented themselves very overtly as 'anti-scab'. They then granted him some elements of power.

I personally have my eyes wide open and feel I have a reputation for stating my own views which often chime with the overall feeling of the electorate.

For me, the HIG have fallen at the first hurdle in what they did regarding CAB.

Only a Brexit party rebrand will save them . . . Watch this space.

[Lucy Lass-Tick]

My crystal ball is obviously low on batteries, then ... I, for one, don't know what the HIU's future plans might be. After just seven days at the helm there's every chance that they haven't got that far themselves. But, unlike some, I'd rather not be judgemental and prefer to wait and see rather than present supposition as facts.

[mk1]

My crystal ball is obviously low on batteries, then ... I, for one, don't know what the HIU's future plans might be. After just seven days at the helm there's every chance that they haven't got that far themselves. But, unlike some, I'd rather not be judgemental and prefer to wait and see rather than present supposition as facts.

Pretend it was a move by Labour and then work out why they (Labour) would need to  give CAB a Chair.

Then pretend you are a Labour supporter and make a list of reasons explaining this was a good move for the town.

Compare this list of Labour 'reasons' with Shane's 'reasons'.

Whilst you are at it compare the way Doc Pothole was castigated for using Hartlepool as a stepping stone to get to higher office  and then compare it to Tennant's actions.

[pieface]

What I do know for certain is the HIU formed a coalition with the Tories. Approximately 2% of the total Hartlepool electorate vote Tory at local level.

I also know the HIU were presented with a binary choice between James Black and Christopher Akers-Belcher to chair regeneration and opted for the latter.

The HIU hoovered up votes because they presented themselves very overtly as 'anti-scab'. They then granted him some elements of power.

I personally have my eyes wide open and feel I have a reputation for stating my own views which often chime with the overall feeling of the electorate.

For me, the HIG have fallen at the first hurdle in what they did regarding CAB.

Only a Brexit party rebrand will save them . . . Watch this space.

Anyone thinking that voting 'hartlepool ndependent'  was actually for a real independent are fickle. You are right the announcements of suddenly becoming Brexit party instead or independent is just around the corner!

[DRiddle]

Just re-calling this thread 

[Tee_Ess_25er]

Careful David
You may just find the entire thread gets deleted.

[Topcat]

Is there any truth in the Facebook post that 10 councillors have joined the Brexit party and formed coalition with the 3Tories to take controll of the council or is it just a windup ?

[UnknownUser]

So this has apparently occurred! What happens after 31st October when the 'reason' for the Brexit Party existing is no more?

What influence can any Brexit Party cllrs do to influence Brexit in anyway shape or form?

Some of them must surely be running out of colours to nail to the mast...

[DRiddle]

I think it would be very embarrassing for anyone to delete this thread, especially when you look at the scepticism my opening post was initially met with.

If you could NOT see this coming, you need to give your head a bit of a shake.

Anyway, it's going to get ugly as I predicted.

You'll now see Farage use Hartlepool as a barometer to demonstrate to the Tories the advantage of the pact they're proposing with the Tories at national level.

If, and I personally think it WILL happen, the Tories stand down in 60-90 labour heartlands such as Hartlepool, Labour will be in massive trouble in terms of the number of seats they'll occupy after a general election.

Even more interesting will be to watch the pound absolutely tank in value if we do leave the EU without a deal, and the 70% of people in Hartlepool who voted for Brexit are then hit very hard by the devalued pound.

Crazy times as always, but oh so predictable if you strip away any of your own political leanings and judge the situation in front of you.

[Land Phil]

So how long before Mike Hill holds up a piece of paper saying how terrible this is ?

I am a fan of socialism especially as so many have been hurt by Tory greed but Mike Hill is a sitting duck waiting to be picked off.

I get the impression he has been keeping his own seat warm at his old union office.

[DRiddle]

There's little or nothing Mike Hill can say to this. If he speaks out against it and condemns it, he most likely galvanises the leave voters and pushes them even further towards the Brexit party.

Likewise is he says nothing, he just leaves traditional Labour voters even more confused by his/labours position on the EU issue.

I've been saying for more than two years on here that despite the manifesto pledges to honour the referendum result, labour would eventually arrive at supporting a second referendum nationally.

That national position leaves Mike Hill with an almost impossible task in Hartlepool.

[kevplumb]

an impossible task for hill is to string four words together without one of them being errr 
as a speaker he is a waste of space