Illegal drugs deaths and Hartlepool

Started by Lord Elpus, September 17, 2018, 08: AM

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Lord Elpus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6174279/How-one-murder-left-bloody-trail-led-detectives-arrest-700-dealers.html

'Norwich has one of the highest rates of deaths from illegal drugs in the country. The only towns nationwide with a higher rate are Swansea, Port Talbot and Hartlepool'.


fred c

Where does Healthwatch fit in with the drugs problem......

Topcat

Healthwatch continues to serve its primary purpose of providing an income source for the Akers-Belcher household.

Inspector Knacker

What do they actually do ?
Do they have professional medical experience?
If not, it's s bit like awarding for Air Sea Rescue to a Ballet Academy.
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can be dismissed without proof.

Topcat

I think that it follows the business plan of all of their enterprises,con the gullable "volunteers" into doing all of the work for free and then pocket whatever they can cream off from the funding for themselves as "managers".In this case I think there are at least some medical professionals amongst the volunteers.

Inspector Knacker

So basically the6're just figureheads.
Defined as a carved wooden decoration, pointing the way but totally incapable of doing anything else.
Sounds about right.
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can be dismissed without proof.

mk1

Hartlepool is outperforming all in the area


Topcat

Of course they do something Inspector ,they "manage" these things don't manage themselves you know and if there is a funding stream available someone has to exploit it.

Bluenose

This is what the claim to do
"Healthwatch is the new independent consumer champion created to gather and represent the views of the public. Healthwatch will play a role at both national and local level and will make sure that the views of the public and people who use services are taken into account"

Simple view a talking shop  that doesn't prevent the slow destruction of towns health infrastructure, but with such leadership what can we expect 

Inspector Knacker

We haven't got a cat in Hell's chance then. We need a battler not a windbag.
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mk1

The cheapest and safest option for drug addict treatment is to give addicts their Heroin as a prescription  and  do away with Methadone. A junkie only becomes a problem when he can not get his fix. Smokers denied tabs are physical wrecks but with a packet-a-day are normal productive people. Trouble is there are those who would rather spend £100 to deny someone else of £1 worth of 'free stuff'. They have no long view and their only desire is to take away any benefit not going to them and their friends.
If you remove drug addict burglars  then the crime figures would drop substantially. The benefits of prescribed drugs are obvious and yet it would be political suicide for any Politician to recommend it as a solution.

Inspector Knacker

Heroin was prescribed till the 1960's till the law changed, prior to that it was't the problem it is today. I do however obe t to the idea bring proposed by a growing number of politicians to legalise all drugs and they can then be taxed. We're cutting down on smoking and drinking is falling too, do they want to bring in another problem.?
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jawsbbc

Quote from: mk1 on September 17, 2018, 05: PM
The cheapest and safest option for drug addict treatment is to give addicts their Heroin as a prescription  and  do away with Methadone. A junkie only becomes a problem when he can not get his fix. Smokers denied tabs are physical wrecks but with a packet-a-day are normal productive people. Trouble is there are those who would rather spend £100 to deny someone else of £1 worth of 'free stuff'. They have no long view and their only desire is to take away any benefit not going to them and their friends.
If you remove drug addict burglars  then the crime figures would drop substantially. The benefits of prescribed drugs are obvious and yet it would be political suicide for any Politician to recommend it as a solution.
Quote from: Topcat on September 17, 2018, 10: AM
Healthwatch continues to serve its primary purpose of providing an income source for the Akers-Belcher househcold.
HBC HAVE TAKEN OVER THE RUNNING OF THE  DRUG AND ALCHOHOL CENTRE AND I HAVE HEARD THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ALL HEROIN ADDICTS OFF METHADONE THEY ARE STOPPING IT IF 2 MINS LATE OR EVEN IF YOU HAVE A GENUINE REASON  ITS   ALL ABOUT THE MONEY  SPEAKING TO A EX ADDICT THEY SAID WATCH THE  CRIME RATE IN THE TOWN  RISE

Lucy Lass-Tick

There are extremely strict rules about the administration of methadone - there's no wriggle room. The article below (although not recent) gives a bit of an insight into the problems pharmacists etc. face.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/may/03/sarahboseley

jawsbbc

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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on September 17, 2018, 07: PM
There are extremely strict rules about the administration of methadone - there's no wriggle room. The article below (although not recent) gives a bit of an insight into the problems pharmacists etc. face.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/may/03/sarahboseley
whitby street do not dispense methadone addicts have to attend fortnightly and if you are slightly late you script is voided so you have to  go through the system  again taking 6 weeks  in the mean time addicts use again    but a lot do not go back