Could this be Chris's biggest calamity yet?

Started by DRiddle, May 07, 2018, 09: AM

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jeffh

So it's official - Dave Hunter out SAB in - can't begin to imagine why.

Haven't heard about Child services????

Foggy

#17
Arrogance, greed and incompetence wins over common sense once again. If they have gone with SAB for Neighbourhood Services then I would be surprised if MD doesn't get children's services. Time will tell.

We can but hope that a few councillors grow a pair at last and actually walk.

I can't help thinking that it was more than just the money that was behind this. I wouldnt surprise me if the green eyed monster was at play. I suspect  that certain people were jealous of Dave's popularity and ability to interact sensibly with the public. Try as hard as you like Stephen but you will never be a popular bloke.

Lucy Lass-Tick

Word has it that Brenda Loynes has Children's Services.

DRiddle

Myself and others saw this coming months and months ago. Spend 5 minutes taking to Dave Hunter and it's very clear he has a brain and a large slice of morality.

Which isn't something you can say for various other councillors.

It's taken Dave a little longer than I'd hoped to realise and accept what a bunch of (insert word of choice) he's dealing with, but to be fair, the political situation in Hartlepool is so surreal it's hard to actually get your head around it at times.

I've been posting on this board for about 7 years or so and I think I've got a fairly decent record for predictions. Two things will happen now. Either the nodding dogs continue to nod and labour WILL finally lose overall control in 2019, or Carl will realise why we left him safe in Victoria Ward and help the braver sheep do what's needed to save any semblance of credibity left in the local labour group.

jeffh

Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 10, 2018, 08: PM
Word has it that Brenda Loynes has Children's Services.
Wonder who will get Licensing?

fred c

A full public gallery for SABS 1st Neighbourhood Services meattun could well see The Boy in a Mans Body go into a Full Hissy Fit Meltdown......

Lord Elpus

Quote from: DRiddle on May 10, 2018, 08: PM
Myself and others saw this coming months and months ago. Spend 5 minutes taking to Dave Hunter and it's very clear he has a brain and a large slice of morality.

Which isn't something you can say for various other councillors.

It's taken Dave a little longer than I'd hoped to realise and accept what a bunch of (insert word of choice) he's dealing with, but to be fair, the political situation in Hartlepool is so surreal it's hard to actually get your head around it at times.

I've been posting on this board for about 7 years or so and I think I've got a fairly decent record for predictions. Two things will happen now. Either the nodding dogs continue to nod and labour WILL finally lose overall control in 2019, or Carl will realise why we left him safe in Victoria Ward and help the braver sheep do what's needed to save any semblance of credibity left in the local labour group.

Two points;

Carl Richardson has been a Councillor in this town for almost 40 years, what has he achieved?  Carl likes to think of himself as King Maker, in effect he just sits and waits to see who's holding the aces them jumps on the band wagon, its always what in Carl's best interest.

As far as waiting for a few of the Labour group to cross the floor, I doubt it, the reality they will continue to do what they have always done; bend over and grab their ankles and think of the promised land.

Few of them would be electable without the Labour party branding.

Lord Elpus

Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 11, 2018, 07: AM
Quote from: DRiddle on May 10, 2018, 08: PM
Myself and others saw this coming months and months ago. Spend 5 minutes taking to Dave Hunter and it's very clear he has a brain and a large slice of morality.

Which isn't something you can say for various other councillors.

It's taken Dave a little longer than I'd hoped to realise and accept what a bunch of (insert word of choice) he's dealing with, but to be fair, the political situation in Hartlepool is so surreal it's hard to actually get your head around it at times.

I've been posting on this board for about 7 years or so and I think I've got a fairly decent record for predictions. Two things will happen now. Either the nodding dogs continue to nod and labour WILL finally lose overall control in 2019, or Carl will realise why we left him safe in Victoria Ward and help the braver sheep do what's needed to save any semblance of credibity left in the local labour group.

Two points;

Carl Richardson has been a Councillor in this town for almost 40 years, what has he achieved?  Carl likes to think of himself as King Maker, in effect he just sits and waits to see who's holding the aces them jumps on the band wagon, its always what in Carl's best interest.

As far as waiting for a few of the Labour group to cross the floor, I doubt it, the reality they will continue to do what they have always done; bend over and grab their ankles and think of the promised land.

Few of them would be electable without the Labour party branding and they know it.

fred c

Almost 40 years as a councilor....for how many of those years did he actually have a job, you know, were you get up at 6am get your work clothes on, have breakfast and leave the house for your place of work.

The next 8/ 10/ 12 or 15 hours depending on the job you have, are spent earning a living for yourself and your family, to pay your rent or mortgage, to feed, clothe and generally provide for you and your family....... but mainly to give yourself self respect.

Socialist values are based on self respect, hard work, pride, principles, integrity....... am I alone in thinking that to have public money as your main source of income indicates that you lack 1 or more of those qualities ?

DRiddle

I just find it interesting that the 4 or 5 decent members of the Labour group can't see what's coming. Either that or they don't feel they're in a position to act on it.

Let's look ahead to 2019. Based on two weeks ago the voting pattern was as follows.

Manor = Labour majority +399

De Bruce = Labour majority +465

Victoria = Labour majority +514

Rural West = Labour Majority (essentially I know it's 'Tory') + 823

Labour have incumbents in all of those seats and will defend (and win) all 4 of them in 2019 almost certainly. That keeps them at 19 seats plus the Tory one.

Seaton = Independent majority +1071. That'll stay indy in 2019. So they're still at 19.

But then it gets interesting.

Burn Valley = Independent Majority +267 (Could go indy again if Hunter walks the floor and defends it)

Fens and Rossmere = Independent majority +108. (Could go indy again as slim jim 'I don't need the money' Lindridge crashes.)

Hart = independent majority +93 (Could go indy again as Beck steps down)

Headland and Harbour = Independent majority +81 (Doctor Pothole is toast especially if N.K stands).

The balance of power in the council could well depend on what happens in Jesmond (Labour majority of +73) and Foggy Furze (labour majority +105).

And who is likely to be defending those seats.... Mammy Belcher and Cranney.

I'd say at BEST Labour will have 17 seats in May 2019, if Belcher stays in charge.... it could be 15 or 16.


DRiddle

#26
It takes a special kind of incompetence to reduce what was recently 23 seats and get it down to marginal control. All of this under a Tory government doing Hartlepool no favours at all, band in the middle of a traditionally Labour heartland. Labour under a real leader, with real Labour councillors and the scum removed would be winning wards by the thousand. Instead they're scraping home and only winning their REALLY safe seats, fielding (largely) nodding dogs, drunks and simpletons as candidates.

When you consider Dr Pothole won his seat by 21 votes, and last week Labour took Jesmond by just 73 and Foggy Furze by just 105, you only need a small shift in the labour vote in those wards.

If 11 of Dr Potholes supporters had voted for UKIP (his closest challenger at the time), 37 of Paddy's Labour voters had gone instead for PHF and Kieth Dawkins, and 53 of the idiots who voted for Ann Marshall had gone for Darren Price, Labour could have dropped 3 seats off just a swing of 101 votes.

We're FINALLY 12 months away from a situation where the council COULD fall from Labour's overall control.

A couple of years back i mentioned how the council hung on around 500 votes in key wards. We're down to just 101 now. Keep up the good work Cwris.  ;)


Foggy

Who is N. K? Got a mental block on that one I'm afraid  ;D


Johnny Bongo

Headland and Harbour = Independent majority +81 (Doctor Pothole is toast especially if N.K stands).

Who is N. K? Got a mental block on that one I'm afraid  ;D

NK = North Korea.....Kim il Jong is thinking of standing as an Indie.....his reasoning being that he's got a very good chance of winning as he'll be seen on the Headland more than Doc Pot ;D ;D