EU Referendum

[ashamedtobebritish]

To all those wanting to vote in this years referendum where both sides have predicted dire and horrible things to happen to the country whether we decide to leave or not, from locust invasions, to meteorite strikes, Nuclear War, the economy shrinking to the size of a plumb and no one will have a job !, or food prices will go up ! please bear this in mind when you are sealed into the voting booth on June 23rd, as elections can and often do end up being rigged, so always remember your pen then go over in pencil, just like the council elections, helps to prevent possible electoral fraud.

[Land Phil]

Hartlepool must have left the EU a long time ago, going by the predictions.

The campaign 'champions' make it very difficult as both sides have ars*h**es in the limelight. Which is the least worse a*r**o** is impossible to answer.

[fred c]

Listening to Dave, Gideon, Major et al.... i get the distinct impression the Tories real concern is, not In or Out, but not splitting the party, they would sooner have a united Conservative  Party, than whats best for the rest of us.

On the flip side of the debate, Boris, Gove, IDS & Nige, want whats best for them.

[Inspector Knacker]

Reading a book yesterday afternoon in the garden and was amused by a quote....
'Can the British swallow their envy and pride enough to see ... as the creator of the new Europe .? If they continue to wallow in their present pig-headedness then God help them'
30 June 1940 Walter Hewel, Hitlers diplomatic liaison officer.
Channge a few names and nothings changed.

[mk1]

In June 1940 Britain was Allied with France, Holland, Belgium. In 1914 Britain was Allied with the same plus Russia and Italy. In 1815 Britain was Allied with Prussia, Russia and Austria. Attempts to portray history as always  being plucky little lone Britain v all of Europe do nothing but showcase the ignorance of those making that argument.

[beanzontoast]

MK1 are you on benifits,or are you employed.

[mk1]

MK1 are you on benifits,(sic)or are you employed.

Why?

[akarjl]

In June 1940 Britain was Allied with France, Holland, Belgium. In 1914 Britain was Allied with the same plus Russia and Italy. In 1815 Britain was Allied with Prussia, Russia and Austria. Attempts to portray history as always  being plucky little lone Britain v all of Europe do nothing but showcase the ignorance of those making that argument.

And now we have something in common again .... We are in the process of being dictated to by a European state and being invaded....the boats are on their way across channel one stopped this morning.

For those disputing farages comment regarding the mass sexual assaults in Cologne....there are reports emerging now that two 14 years olds were attacked and sexually assaulted in a park in Newcastle a month ago by a group of Syrian men. Odd it was kept out of press for a month. .....as we hurtle towards the referendum.

[akarjl]

http://dailym.ai/1riUOZx

[mk1]

  There are numerous quotes from Juncker and others stating quite clearly that this will rise to the top of the agenda

So give us the quotes and let us see for ourselves.

I remember when you  posted a while back that it was only when Churchill took over from Chamberlain that the UK (and France) declared war on Germany so I know you have little understanding of history and a very tenuous grasp on reality.

[mk1]

I'm sure MK1 is fully aware that when he cites our co-operation on an 'ad hoc' basis with the UN and NATO where a common threat is involved, that when that threat is removed that whatever level of co-ordination and co-operation existed during the engagement is terminated then normal command and control reverts to nation states in totality.

So what is NATOs VJTF then?

[mk1]

What the Brussels elite are proposing is a PERMANENT, standing army designed to undermine NATO with it's own Command structures. 
A totally different consideration as MK1 knows full well yet still he will persist in using deception in his defence of the indefensible.

Total fiction. 'Europe' would like to be able to shape its own foreign policy rather than become (like the UK) a total US lackey that does everything the USA tells it to do. NATO is 100% in control of the USA and the recent attempts to get more  ex-Soviet states into NATO is the cause of the Russian resurgence.  Putin will allow this to go unchallenged. Far better if Europe takes control of its own interests rather that follow  policy set by crazy religious fundamentalists who believe the world is ony 3000 years old and that they are doing Gods work in the ME. Europe would be far better off without transatlantic meddling.

[Inspector Knacker]

This is like two ironclads firing talcum powder shells at each other. Lots of smoke and bangs but neither side is taking a hit and no one is ever ging to concede an inch.
Result, confusion.

[mk1]

The truth is out there.

It might be but you will never see it. As usual you reply with lots of wind and bluster. Random quotes are used but not one single hard fact is posted.
You also seem unable to  understand the difference between common defence force and a European Army. Study NATO and you will find out.
As I said before you were the man who thought Churchill replaced Chamberlain in 1939 and then declared war on Germany when in fact Churchill did not become Prime Minister until May 1940 some 8 months after Chamberlain declared war. That is how out of touch with reality you were/still are!

[Heknocks68]

Wonder if our MEPs will vote to leave, to remove the pressure within the train, hmm Bisto