With the news that redevelopment of the Redcar steelworks site is about to start now the funding has been allocated, the projected jobs at the site will be quite a boost.
However, getting to Redcar from Hartlepool to join in this projected Tees Valley jobsfest is a joke. Tess Valley looks compact on a map, but the Tees is the big divide so it's shaped like a horse shoe in reality and ironically I can drive to Gateshead quicker than Redcar.
The transporter, that beloved but archaic symbol of the boro is a joke. It opens office hours, closes for lunch and doesn't open Sundays as they have important heritage stuff like bungee jumping to cater for. How much this joke costs to maintain is also a puzzle for the benefits it brings.
Time for a new crossing further down the river at Cargo Fleet then the traffic using it might negate the need to splash even more money on the A19/Portrack moving car park ::)
The Tees flyover is a nightmare - the rush hour brings a queue half way back to Teesside Park. Mind you, I've disliked it ever since I got a flat tyre right at the top.
Why the obsession with linking Hartlepool with equally depressed Redcar.
Newcastle is where the quality jobs are.
Brexit might shake it up a bit though.
Mine and thousands of other jobs could end up on mainland Europe.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2020, 09: AM
The Tees flyover is a nightmare - the rush hour brings a queue half way back to Teesside Park. Mind you, I've disliked it ever since I got a flat tyre right at the top.
Haha, the exact same thing happened to me quite a few years ago. Fortunately a traffic plod pulled in behind me and kept me safe while I changed the tyre, for which I am eternally grateful.
Nasty place to break down though
Quote from: Land Phil on January 19, 2020, 04: PM
Why the obsession with linking Hartlepool with equally depressed Redcar.
Newcastle is where the quality jobs are.
If all the depressed areas are connected it might even out the depression!
I quite like the idea of a quicker way to Scarborough and given that is a cert Boro are going to get their direct train service to Newcastle it might be quicker to nip to boro to get to Newcastle.
Quote from: Land Phil on January 19, 2020, 04: PM
Why the obsession with linking Hartlepool with equally depressed Redcar.
Newcastle is where the quality jobs are.
Because the site is to be cleared and massive plans are in hand to develop a huge site as an equally huge business park. Result, jobs for people. Good news all round.
As for Newcastle being where the quality jobs are, I assume it's public sector jobs you're talking about or something with a screen where you sit on your ar*e looking out of the window and producing nothing of consequence. I'm talking of jobs for the ordinary person for whom it could make a big difference.
Brexit might shake it up a bit though.
Mine and thousands of other jobs could end up on mainland Europe.
Keep us informed when it happens, as if ::)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 20, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: Land Phil on January 19, 2020, 04: PM
Why the obsession with linking Hartlepool with equally depressed Redcar.
Newcastle is where the quality jobs are.
Because the site is to be cleared and massive plans are in hand to develop a huge site as an equally huge business park. Result, jobs for people. Good news all round.
As for Newcastle being where the quality jobs are, I assume it's public sector jobs you're talking about or something with a screen where you sit on your ar*e looking out of the window and producing nothing of consequence. I'm talking of jobs for the ordinary person for whom it could make a big difference.
Nothing of consequence like billion pound banking, international software houses, legal, arts and culture alongside thousands of public sector jobs at Longbenton, not forgetting British Airways, Nissan, IBM, Sage
Brexit might shake it up a bit though.
Mine and thousands of other jobs could end up on mainland Europe.
Keep us informed when it happens, as if ::)
Buildings have already been obtained in Poland in the case of my company.
The purpose hasn't been released yet, hedging their bets like a lot of companies
Tees Valley is hardly some one horse ex pit village who thinks Newcastle is the centre of the known universe.
It has a course of it's own to start on and getting in the pulpit to sing the praises of Tyneside which in reality is hardly the boom town you paint it to be, as a drive around the area will soon cure you of your selective vision.
As for the Poland reference, maybe that says more about the company than Brexit. Coincidentally, the wife purchased a bottle of brown sauce...'Daddies' it's made in Poland now. Now as brown sauce sales in Poland and Europe wide will be on the low side I can only assume it went there because of lower costs. Now as this happened when we were in the EU will it be moving production back to the UK, because the problems you predict and trade barriers are part of a two way street, so surely the producers of said sauce will have a problem selling it to the UK in future?
So basically, a UK only product's production(to all intents and purposes) is moved from the uk to a country that doesn't use it. So in reality it is about costs.
So maybe you're just too expensive to employ, the only other reason is low productivity.
I don't think linking Redcar and Hartlepool will particularly change the economic chances of either. The area is broken up by the tees but the cost to build a flyover closer to the north / south gare will be huge because of its span and required height for shipping. There are really black and white cost / benefit appraisals that central gov run when looking at these things and I doubt it would ever come close
Anecdotally, as someone who now has to live in Manchester because there aren't really any jobs for people in my game on Teesside, improvements in public transport and the tram have had a positive impact. The train service through Teesside is rubbish, and seems to stop functioning after 6-7pm. There are faster easier wins than building a massive bridge, and there is a wider discussion to be had about rebalancing the economy away from London and the south east specifically to places like Teesside. Talk is cheap, will see what actually happens
No need for a huge bridge at North Gare, that would be impractical and expensive.
A lifting bridge (which the Dutch are brilliant at) positioned at Cargo Fleet would do the job much cheaper and much more practically.
River traffic above Cargo Fleet is light and not not that large in comparison to further down the river.
Something along the lines of the Tyne & Wear Metro could serve the area well.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 20, 2020, 04: PM
Something along the lines of the Tyne & Wear Metro could serve the area well.
I agree. I've lived in both Whitley Bay, and Gateshead, and many times I found myself leaving the car at home and using the metro instead. It would definitely be very beneficial for the area if we had a similar system, ideally connected to the existing metro system.
They could run a train from Hartlepool to Saltburn on a regular timetable and a few more stations would provide a Tees Valley Metro at a reasonable price, but don't hold your breath.
There was talk of a metro style system a few years back but it was canned. That would probably be an easier win, I spend most of the time driving places when I come back home and its really annoying!!
They are testing tram-trains in Sheffield at the moment but they would require the electrification of most of the rail network on Teesside which I doubt the gov would pay for
Mind you, if they are serious about destroying the labour party / governing in perpetuity / bringing the UK into a one-party state they probably should at least spend a few hundreds of thousands on some "studies" with recommendations that will never be enacted or funded, again. Its all about the sound bites in the post-truth era, actually delivering on promises is of little concern
Quote from: eddy on January 21, 2020, 11: AM
They are testing tram-trains in Sheffield at the moment but they would require the electrification of most of the rail network on Teesside which I doubt the gov would pay for
When/if they extend the metro to Durham and Boro get their direct link to Newcastle it will leave Hartlepool isolated in the middle with no benefit whatever coming our way. Best thing to do them would be to end Northern Rail trains and just run a more regular shuttle service between Sunderland and Hartlepool.
I take it you don't venture south of Hartlepool on the train ?
By ditching the paper mache mp and electing a tory, effectively turning the town into a marginal seat could possibly have had an effect on how the government reacts to the needs of the town and its residents.
As it is we are stuck with Mike Hill for the next 5 years with the prospect of another 260 or so weekly 'Photo Op' appearances in the Fail.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 21, 2020, 06: PM
I take it you don't venture south of Hartlepool on the train ?
I do as a matter of fact. Teesside have Boro as their 'hub'. It would be quicker for them to go there for their onward connections. Just like the train from 'Hartlepool' to Boro is quicker than the bus-depending on what part of Hartlepool you live. If you live in Owton Manor you would have to travel into town/Seaton before you get the train and then just once an hour v 4 times an hour for the bus. Your journey starts when you leave the house and not when your first connection arrives.
Quote from: mk1 on January 21, 2020, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 21, 2020, 06: PM
I take it you don't venture south of Hartlepool on the train ?
I do as a matter of fact. Teesside have Boro as their 'hub'. It would be quicker for them to go there for their onward connections. Just like the train from 'Hartlepool' to Boro is quicker than the bus-depending on what part of Hartlepool you live. If you live in Owton Manor you would have to travel into town/Seaton before you get the train and then just once an hour v 4 times an hour for the bus. Your journey starts when you leave the house and not when your first connection arrives.
Don't disagree with you. I do think the coast line is under utilised which if opened up by more stations, increased frequencies and marketing could connect the region up on the coast. A knackered pacer or runaway train from 80's once an hour on a service that ends when kids go to bed is a joke.
Our local bus services are a local bus bus business. We were told that when buses were deregulated in the 80's it would up up competition. Ho ho ho. We now have local buses within the town and to the south of the town a complete monopoly.
There is chat of opening another station on the durham coast line between Hartlepool and Seaham, I think it may even have funding confirmed for it.
I have long contemplated moving home and getting a job in Newcastle or Durham (but still living in the Tees area), having got the train to Newcastle from Hartlepool (once) and drove there (twice) at rush hour I have decided to put those plans on hold, its hell, even by Manchester standards
Have a feeling that the new station/halt is to be in the Horden area.
Quote from: fred c on January 21, 2020, 06: PM
By ditching the paper mache mp and electing a tory, effectively turning the town into a marginal seat could possibly have had an effect on how the government reacts to the needs of the town and its residents.
As it is we are stuck with Mike Hill for the next 5 years with the prospect of another 260 or so weekly 'Photo Op' appearances in the Fail.
Can't we just retire him to a maximum security twilight home for neutered MP's ?
He can pass his days informing the other inmates he was an MP once y'know and they'll all reply "I was too!"
He's going to spend five years at the back of the chorus of the Labour Party choir, warbling on cue and learning his lines of compliance. He has no power and if lucky, may rise to the rank of 'Shadow Minister of Paper Clips ' ..... at a push.
A crumpled suit wandering the corridors of power with no power, the town unrepresented to all intents and purposes.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 22, 2020, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c on January 21, 2020, 06: PM
By ditching the paper mache mp and electing a tory, effectively turning the town into a marginal seat could possibly have had an effect on how the government reacts to the needs of the town and its residents.
As it is we are stuck with Mike Hill for the next 5 years with the prospect of another 260 or so weekly 'Photo Op' appearances in the Fail.
Can't we just retire him to a maximum security twilight home for neutered MP's ?
He can pass his days informing the other inmates he was an MP once y'know and they'll all reply "I was too!"
He's going to spend five years at the back of the chorus of the Labour Party choir, warbling on cue and learning his lines of compliance. He has no power and if lucky, may rise to the rank of 'Shadow Minister of Paper Clips ' ..... at a push.
A crumpled suit wandering the corridors of power with no power, the town unrepresented to all intents and purposes.
Isn't he subject to some kind of enquiry? ??? If so, his 'retirement' might just come before the end of the current Parliament ....
Yes he is although labmob re instated him.....
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18025421.hartlepool-labour-candidate-mike-hill-sexual-harassment-allegations/ (https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18025421.hartlepool-labour-candidate-mike-hill-sexual-harassment-allegations/)
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 22, 2020, 01: PM
Have a feeling that the new station/halt is to be in the Horden area.
It was due to open mid 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horden_railway_station
Quote from: eddy on January 22, 2020, 01: PM
, its hell, even by Manchester standards
Lovely place Manchester. Far better than London. If only we had their shuttle-bus system.
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 22, 2020, 05: PM
Yes he is although labmob re instated him.....
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18025421.hartlepool-labour-candidate-mike-hill-sexual-harassment-allegations/ (https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18025421.hartlepool-labour-candidate-mike-hill-sexual-harassment-allegations/)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/22/labour-mp-fails-in-bid-to-remain-anonymous-in-sexual-assault-case (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/22/labour-mp-fails-in-bid-to-remain-anonymous-in-sexual-assault-case)
Smoke.......fire.....wonder who is footing the bill for his "anonymity bid"...
Maybe we will get rid of this useless waste of o2?
Thought this had all gone away. It all went very quiet. But it appears not.
Why did the Sunday Times oppose the application for anonymity....?
Let's see if the Hartlepool Fail picks up the story....
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 23, 2020, 08: AM
Thought this had all gone away. It all went very quiet. But it appears not.
Why did the Sunday Times oppose the application for anonymity....?
It would appear there are two separate issues:
1. Her union is pursuing Hill with an action.
2. She advises Met are still investigating claim. ( they will probably hold back until outcome of proceedings at theCentral London Employment Tribunal)
From the article
QuoteSuzanne McKie QC, who is representing the woman, said after the hearing that the application had been resisted principally because Hill had placed the matter in the public domain by speaking to the media.
So the wet fish flapped about made statements to media then tried to quash reporting - thick as two short planks.....
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 22, 2020, 02: PM
A crumpled suit wandering the corridors of power with no power, the town unrepresented to all intents and purposes..
He has something he can boast about-he demolished The Hartlepool Brexit Party.
He trounced Trice and humiliated all those loudly predicting his demise.
Lets face it, Hartlepool Labour have a long history of dodging there responsibilities when it comes to investigating complaints against members.
Flip the coin and the self same Hartlepool Labour have always been very quick to make allegations and point the finger at others.
In the case of the allegations against the Member it does come across as a bit hypocritical, the complainants legal representative described a confidential complaint' leaked to the press in October, as 'a gross breach of her privacy' and yet he has sought to remain anonymous in the reporting of an upcoming employment tribunal case taken by a woman who has accused him of sexual assault and harassment.
Quote from: mk1 on January 23, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 22, 2020, 02: PM
A crumpled suit wandering the corridors of power with no power, the town unrepresented to all intents and purposes..
He has something he can boast about-he demolished The Hartlepool Brexit Party.
He trounced Trice and humiliated all those loudly predicting his demise.
Spoken like a true labour supporter- the alternative explanation being if you put a wheely bin up for election win hartlepool the idiots would vote for it...cos mee mam does.....
Bit like the Durham miners gala organisers planning on banning Tory mps......despite there being no Durham mines
or miners= it is a case of who cares?
The wet fish is a none entity representing a small peninsular town that the rest of the country doesn't give a rats about- even the electorate living here it would seem
Is it wrong to be a labour member and hate the guy / party at local level?
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 12: PM
if you put a wheely bin up for election in hartlepool the idiots would vote for it...
Some might say the reason Tice did not get elected is there were not enough idiots willing to vote for him
Quote from: eddy on January 23, 2020, 12: PM
Is it wrong to be a labour member and hate the guy / party at local level?
Perfectly understandable. People can have ideals but be unhappy with those who purport to represent these principles if they don't believe that they're up to scratch.
Quote from: mk1 on January 23, 2020, 12: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 12: PM
if you put a wheely bin up for election in hartlepool the idiots would vote for it...
Some might say the reason Tice did not get elected is there were not enough idiots willing to vote for him
I would rather Tice than Hill
Actually I would rather the wheely bin than Hill
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 04: PM
I would rather Tice than Hill
There are two types of voters.
Those stupid enough to think the world will end when the opposition get elected and those dumb enough to think things will get better if their man wins.
Quote from: mk1 on January 23, 2020, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 04: PM
I would rather Tice than Hill
There are two types of voters.
Those stupid enough to think the world will end when the opposition get elected and those dumb enough to think things will get better if their man wins.
Looks like the wheely bin has it then......same value and same presence if stood in parliament on our behalf.
Quote from: mk1 on January 23, 2020, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 04: PM
I would rather Tice than Hill
There are two types of voters.
Those stupid enough to think the world will end when the opposition get elected and those dumb enough to think things will get better if their man wins.
So basically you're saying.... ' I lost, my party lost, but because I'm incapable of being wrong, I'll carry on denying reality'..... just like the Labour Party are doing.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 23, 2020, 05: PM
So basically you're saying.... ' I lost, my party lost, but because I'm incapable of being wrong, I'll carry on denying reality'..... just like the Labour Party are doing.
I am saying that unlike other s here I have no 'side'. To me they are all the same and thus I can call whoever I want. I am not one of those who feel the need to automatically post something positive when the party I claim not to prefer comes under attack. You can call Hill you can call Tice you can call your mother for all I care because not having a horse in the race means I can sit back and laugh at the discomfort of those who lie about their affiliations.
You have no side....? So basically you announce you come here to mock everyone (apart from those who agree with you).
Now that is odd behaviour. Very odd.
Ever thought that maybe.............?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
You have no side....? So basically you announce you come here to mock everyone (apart from those who agree with you).
Now that is odd behaviour. Very odd.
Ever thought that maybe.............?
Just read my mind (again) I guess OAP days out to York etc are getting too expensive /boring?
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
I guess OAP days out to York etc are getting too expensive /boring?
Hardly. The world is my lobster. I am getting so lazy I even get the train from New Street to Moor Street.
Quote from: akarjl2 on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
You have no side....? So basically you announce you come here to mock everyone (apart from those who agree with you).
Now that is odd behaviour. Very odd.
Ever thought that maybe.............?
Just read my mind (again) I guess OAP days out to York etc are getting too expensive /boring?
It's more sensible than say turning up at a football match and criticising both teams when really only criticising one. ;)
So there we have it...our resident know all/hate all has admitted he's dumb.
He didn't want Tice to win and lauds Hill whenever. Or rather, fails to highlight Hill's inept performances, both local & national. So he is obviously his man.
It's very much akin to his 'bong eyed loonies' epithets regarding some Brexit & UKIP supporters. Strange he didn't castigate the pathetic, Labour supporting loonies that stated the Tory Durham MP would require a police presence if he dare to show his face at the miners annual p*ss up.
One law for one, one for another..in his eyes.
While I'm on, I'm fed up of the miners bleating about the loss of their industry, year after year, after year.
Many industrial jobs have gone to the wall over the last 100 years; shipping, steelworks, farming, chemicals etc. Do those ex employees keep bleating on ad infinitum?
No, they pick themselves up and get on with it.
Just look at the factories in Peterlee these days. They employ more than the mines did.
So why are ex miners still living in 'the good old days', when men died down the mines on a monthly basis, or were crippled in old age because of coal dust?
Hartlepool was a boom town, with steelworks and shipyards. Do we march through the streets every year, crying over the loss of jobs?
No, we just get on with finding alternative jobs, where possible.
The miners need to remember, Labour shut down more mines than the Tories ever did!
The Tories have brought more employment to the North-East than labour ever did.
Labour lives in the past, it's an anachronism, only good for sniping from the wings.
Corbyn and his Marxist/momentum rabble proved it, as the vote against him and them indicated.
Quote from: grim reaper on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
So there we have it...our resident know all/hate all has admitted he's dumb.
He didn't want Tice to win and lauds Hill................
Yep just as I said it would be. Anyone not agreeing that Hill is the Devil in human form is a closet leftie.
But isn't the devil essentially a Christian creation? A rebranding of the Celtic horned god by a later sect?
Just goes to show that one man's deity is another one's demon ... :o
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 23, 2020, 07: PM
But isn't the devil essentially a Christian creation? A rebranding of the Celtic horned god by a later sect?
Baphomet as we know him is a Victorian construct.
Quote from: mk1 on January 23, 2020, 07: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 23, 2020, 07: PM
But isn't the devil essentially a Christian creation? A rebranding of the Celtic horned god by a later sect?
Baphomet as we know him is a Victorian construct.
Although Jacques de Molay & the Knights Templar were accused of holding him in high regard ...
This is wandering off topic now in a rather spectacular fashion (and I'll hold my hands up as a guilty one there) ... so, now shall we return back to transport infrastructure?
Quote from: mk1 on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
Quote from: grim reaper on January 23, 2020, 06: PM
Yep just as I said it would be. Anyone not agreeing that Hill is the Devil in human form is a closet leftie.
Hill the Devil in human form...? You seriously overestimate his abilities ::)
The Devil? No! However, an elected crash test dummy in a crumpled suit, yes.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 23, 2020, 08: PM
This is wandering off topic now in a rather spectacular fashion (and I'll hold my hands up as a guilty one there) ... so, now shall we return back to transport infrastructure?
I thought the purpose of the Hartlepool Post was to trash the labour party / movement? Admittedly it probably isnt the stated intent of those who run the site, but a quick glance on here or FB and its mostly just "screw labour" stuff (see Mr Reaper earlier)
Which brings us nicely onto transport, within the last hour the "butter wouldn't melt in their mouths" Conservative party has just re-nationalised our rail services. I am sure some self-pity obsessed commie scum put a similar idea forward but a few months back ?
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
Which brings us nicely onto transport, within the last hour the "butter wouldn't melt in their mouths" Conservative party has just re-nationalised our rail services. I am sure some self-pity obsessed commie scum put a similar idea forward but a few months back ?
Suspect that this is a temporary measure and that there's going to be a much more widespread rejig of transport.
I think a lot of people will have a false dawn of hope, the problems with northern railways are a lack of investment over many decades. Ironically a lot of the trouble that Northern had was partly due to long over running improvement works (for which they had no say or control over). It needs metro areas to control commuter services and then have a separate organisation for intercity routes. So in theory you would have
Tyne and Wear Metro (excuse the pun)
Teesside Metro
North Yorkshire Metro
Leeds Metro
South Yorkshire Metro
Greater Manchester
Mersery Rail
Lancashire Metro
Carlisle Metro
With each running the commuter services within their region
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
I thought the purpose of the Hartlepool Post was to trash the labour party / movement? Admittedly it probably isnt the stated intent of those who run the site, but a quick glance on here or FB and its mostly just "screw labour" stuff (see Mr Reaper earlier)
I thought it was to trash all politicians. For my part I dump on everyone regardless of Party.
Quote from: mk1 on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
I thought the purpose of the Hartlepool Post was to trash the labour party / movement? Admittedly it probably isnt the stated intent of those who run the site, but a quick glance on here or FB and its mostly just "screw labour" stuff (see Mr Reaper earlier)
I thought it was to trash all politicians. For my part I dump on everyone regardless of Party.
Who would have thought that to be the case ... ? ;)
Quote from: mk1 on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
For my part I dump on everyone regardless of Party.
Can't say I've noticed.
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 23, 2020, 08: PM
This is wandering off topic now in a rather spectacular fashion (and I'll hold my hands up as a guilty one there) ... so, now shall we return back to transport infrastructure?
I thought the purpose of the Hartlepool Post was to trash the labour party / movement? Admittedly it probably isnt the stated intent of those who run the site, but a quick glance on here or FB and its mostly just "screw labour" stuff (see Mr Reaper earlier)
Party member....?
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
Which brings us nicely onto transport, within the last hour the "butter wouldn't melt in their mouths" Conservative party has just re-nationalised our rail services. I am sure some self-pity obsessed commie scum put a similar idea forward but a few months back ?
You have to be in power to make a difference. Nationalisation,ironically a Tory government has been threatened for a long time and now they've done it. Good.
As for the 'self -pity obsessed commie scum' jibe from you, you can have all the intentions in the world, but when your political philosophy is the equivalent of putting the kids trampoline next to the wood chipper, you're never going to be in power to put anything into practice.
Quote from: mk1 on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
I thought it was to trash all politicians. For my part I dump on everyone regardless of Party.
apart from your mate and failed politician the riddler?
Wow, someone really has difficulty with pent up hatred.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 30, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 23, 2020, 08: PM
This is wandering off topic now in a rather spectacular fashion (and I'll hold my hands up as a guilty one there) ... so, now shall we return back to transport infrastructure?
I thought the purpose of the Hartlepool Post was to trash the labour party / movement? Admittedly it probably isnt the stated intent of those who run the site, but a quick glance on here or FB and its mostly just "screw labour" stuff (see Mr Reaper earlier)
Party member....?
Yea, which I assume means I will get the boot from here soon
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 30, 2020, 12: PM
Quote from: eddy on January 29, 2020, 03: PM
Which brings us nicely onto transport, within the last hour the "butter wouldn't melt in their mouths" Conservative party has just re-nationalised our rail services. I am sure some self-pity obsessed commie scum put a similar idea forward but a few months back ?
You have to be in power to make a difference. Nationalisation,ironically a Tory government has been threatened for a long time and now they've done it. Good.
As for the 'self -pity obsessed commie scum' jibe from you, you can have all the intentions in the world, but when your political philosophy is the equivalent of putting the kids trampoline next to the wood chipper, you're never going to be in power to put anything into practice.
I appreciate am not going to win on here and am not going to be drawn into those well rehearsed "fu** labour" rows, the conservatives are in power and it is those who support them who will have to defend their decision making process. I hope for all our sakes they get it right for all those in society
I do however still find it hilarious they are nationalising it, and those who support them are trying to retrospectively make it out to be a good thing
Whilst on the subject re: privatisation, I will give you an analogy about from a friend who is an engineer in the Nuclear industry. He works balancing turbine generators on power stations on behalf of Electricity De France (EDF), who it turns out own most of the UK power generation sector. He got chatting to some French colleagues who were over helping with an outage at Didcot and they got chatting about the UK nuclear sector. The Frenchmen could not fathom how a technology that was (for the most part) pioneered and rolled out by the UK was now being sold back to them by the French (because we had sold all our IP, assets and operations to the market back in the 1980s and 1990s). Obviously they (and by extension) the French government are more than happy to fleece the UK tax payer for knowledge and expertise we were once at the fore front of, but even they found it a bit concerning.
This isn't a copy and paste from some leftie FB page, it's a direct account from some in the industry. I am no Momentum radical but it is stuff like this that winds me up about the conservatives,
Didn't I also hear Deutchbahn are a big shareholder of Arriva (who run Northern and several other train operators in the UK), wonder how many other countries in the EU we whore ourselves out to whilst simultaneously Brexiting all over the place? You have to admit it is slightly bonkers
Quote from: Tee_Ess_25er on January 31, 2020, 12: PM
Wow, someone really has difficulty with pent up hatred.
Who are you referring to ?
Quote from: eddy on January 31, 2020, 01: PM
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 23, 2020, 08: PM
This is wandering off topic now in a rather spectacular fashion (and I'll hold my hands up as a guilty one there) ... so, now shall we return back to transport infrastructure?
I thought the purpose of the Hartlepool Post was to trash the labour party / movement? Admittedly it probably isnt the stated intent of those who run the site, but a quick glance on here or FB and its mostly just "screw labour" stuff (see Mr Reaper earlier)
Party member....?
Yea, which I assume means I will get the boot from here soon
Why would you assume that? You haven't received your call papers from the Party pre local elections to 'do your bit' in spreading the word have you. ...?
Quote from: Tee_Ess_25er on January 31, 2020, 12: PM
Wow, someone really has difficulty with pent up hatred.
Are you for real.
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Which brings us nicely onto transport, within the last hour the "butter wouldn't melt in their mouths" Conservative party has just re-nationalised our rail services. I am sure some self-pity obsessed commie scum put a similar idea forward but a few months back ?
You have to be in power to make a difference. Nationalisation,ironically a Tory government has been threatened for a long time and now they've done it. Good.
As for the 'self -pity obsessed commie scum' jibe from you, you can have all the intentions in the world, but when your political philosophy is the equivalent of putting the kids trampoline next to the wood chipper, you're never going to be in power to put anything into practice.
I appreciate am not going to win on here and am not going to be drawn into those well rehearsed "fu** labour" rows, the conservatives are in power and it is those who support them who will have to defend their decision making process. I hope for all our sakes they get it right for all those in society
I do however still find it hilarious they are nationalising it, and those who support them are trying to retrospectively make it out to be a good thing
There are no well rehearsed rows, but that phrase does sound one from the Party book of 'appropriate phrases'. This has the rather tired hallmark of blah, blah.
You know why you're here.
Quote from: eddy on January 31, 2020, 02: PM
Whilst on the subject re: privatisation, I will give you an analogy about from a friend who is an engineer in the Nuclear industry. He works balancing turbine generators on power stations on behalf of Electricity De France (EDF), who it turns out own most of the UK power generation sector. He got chatting to some French colleagues who were over helping with an outage at Didcot and they got chatting about the UK nuclear sector. The Frenchmen could not fathom how a technology that was (for the most part) pioneered and rolled out by the UK was now being sold back to them by the French (because we had sold all our IP, assets and operations to the market back in the 1980s and 1990s). Obviously they (and by extension) the French government are more than happy to fleece the UK tax payer for knowledge and expertise we were once at the fore front of, but even they found it a bit concerning.
They didn't fleece anyone, they paid for it.
This isn't a copy and paste from some leftie FB page, it's a direct account from some in the industry.
Your source is....?
I am no Momentum radical but it is stuff like this that winds me up about the conservatives.
The technology in question has me puzzled, as EDF bought out most of the Nuclear Plants obviously all the maintenance side would be part of the deal. You don't agree to buy something like a nuclear power station without the 'instruction manual'. If it was that important, why didn't your Tony kick off, he had 13 years and I heard nowt.
Didn't I also hear Deutchbahn are a big shareholder of Arriva (who run Northern and several other train operators in the UK), wonder how many other countries in the EU we whore ourselves out to whilst simultaneously Brexiting all over the place? You have to admit it is slightly bonkersSo our chums over the channel are ripping us off on train fares compared to their home markets and you think Brexit 'bonkers'? If you're using that as logical argument you failed miserably. It's called contradicting yourself.
Just for the record - we don't tend to ban people. We do ban known rogue IP addresses (mainly bots). Our normal route if we can't trust a member not to be OTT is to put them on pre-mod (which means that every post they write has to be manually approved by admin. before it shows on the forum). Nobody is put on pre-mod because their ideas are 'different'.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 31, 2020, 05: PM
Just for the record - we don't tend to ban people. We do ban known rogue IP addresses (mainly bots). Our normal route if we can't trust a member not to be OTT is to put them on pre-mod (which means that every post they write has to be manually approved by admin. before it shows on the forum). Nobody is put on pre-mod because their ideas are 'different'.
you've hammered a few of my posts in your time and im still here :D :D :D :D :D
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Quote from: eddy on January 31, 2020, 02: PM
Whilst on the subject re: privatisation, I will give you an analogy about from a friend who is an engineer in the Nuclear industry. He works balancing turbine generators on power stations on behalf of Electricity De France (EDF), who it turns out own most of the UK power generation sector. He got chatting to some French colleagues who were over helping with an outage at Didcot and they got chatting about the UK nuclear sector. The Frenchmen could not fathom how a technology that was (for the most part) pioneered and rolled out by the UK was now being sold back to them by the French (because we had sold all our IP, assets and operations to the market back in the 1980s and 1990s). Obviously they (and by extension) the French government are more than happy to fleece the UK tax payer for knowledge and expertise we were once at the fore front of, but even they found it a bit concerning.
They didn't fleece anyone, they paid for it.
This isn't a copy and paste from some leftie FB page, it's a direct account from some in the industry.
Your source is....?
I am no Momentum radical but it is stuff like this that winds me up about the conservatives.
The technology in question has me puzzled, as EDF bought out most of the Nuclear Plants obviously all the maintenance side would be part of the deal. You don't agree to buy something like a nuclear power station without the 'instruction manual'. If it was that important, why didn't your Tony kick off, he had 13 years and I heard nowt.
Didn't I also hear Deutchbahn are a big shareholder of Arriva (who run Northern and several other train operators in the UK), wonder how many other countries in the EU we whore ourselves out to whilst simultaneously Brexiting all over the place? You have to admit it is slightly bonkersSo our chums over the channel are ripping us off on train fares compared to their home markets and you think Brexit 'bonkers'? If you're using that as logical argument you failed miserably. It's called contradicting yourself.
To pick up on your points above
Re: The sale to EDF, they did pay for it, fair and square, and can now charge us for fixing our assets and building us new ones. We sold the family silver to coin a phrase, in this case to the French although it could have been China, the USA or anyone else really (and may one day become one of them). I am not going to name my source as he is a close mate, but you will have to take my word for it that what is said was what was discussed, I dont really have much to gain here by making it up!
Re: The sale of technology, if you can get over the fact we are sending money to fund the French national electricity board (and will continue to do so regardless of Brexit because we can no longer do it ourselves) the issue we have going forward is the knowledge we have to build new infrastructure stoped when the state sold it to the private sector.
So we have to pay many many billions to build say a new nuclear power station at Hinckley Point say (as we have been trying to) because we no longer have the mental agility inside the UK to build it ourselves. Or maybe we have the brains but certainly dont have the required organisation / vehicle to do it ourselves
Re: trains and Brexit, the French and German state railways will continue to run our railways for many years to come, i am all for re:nationalising the whole thing to stop this but we also disbanded and got rid of British Rail so I am not sure who will step in to run them from within the UK. The "nasty" europeans havent been maliciously fleecing the UK population in train fares, they are operating within the profit and turn over parameters of our own government who set the terms of the franchise.
We are the vicious whore of europe who wants them to give her everything yet at the same time wants to punch them in face. And so with Brexit we will see if we can remember how to not whore ourselves out, or whether we will simply ask our european punters less money to have their way with us
I agree with you regarding British Rail....we should learn to operate trains the way the way the Dutch do. I can get from Amsterdam Schipol to Gronighen for 44 Euro first class new rolling stock with free wifi and tea/coffee. similar distance =60+ quid Hartlepool to Manchester cattle class......lucky to get a seat.....and trains constantly cancelled/delayed.
It can be done but the so called rail operators here are incapable of managing a hole in their arses.
Quote from: eddy on January 31, 2020, 09: PM
We are the vicious whore of europe who wants them to give her everything yet at the same time wants to punch them in face.
Speak for yourself....
Oddly you have just described labours approach to ANYONE running their own business. ;) Luckily the electorate did not believe Comrade Corby.. Get over it. Labour failed, The conservatives won and we are out of Europe. It is a new world.
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Re: The sale to EDF, they did pay for it, fair and square, and can now charge us for fixing our assets and building us new ones.
Thank you for demolishing your own argument for me. As for your anonymous friends 'analogy', I'll give you one.....if you sell you car to a taxi driver and he arrives a month later to take you to the railway station in your ex car, he expects to be paid.ta
The "nasty" europeans havent been maliciously fleecing the UK population in train fares, they are operating within the profit and turn over parameters of our own government who set the terms of the franchise.
With the excess profits they make they are able to cross subsidise their home market fares ta, again.
We are the vicious whore of europe who wants them to give her everything yet at the same time wants to punch them in face.
'vicious whore of Europe' my a*#e. Here we go again, fantasy party dogma quotes from the land of nod. I await a quick 'capitalist running dogs' quote anytime soon. What shift have they put you on by the way?
t back to the topic https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/people/ps15-million-approved-try-boost-capacity-hartlepool-railway-station-1381729 ;D
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t back to the topic https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/people/ps15-million-approved-try-boost-capacity-hartlepool-railway-station-1381729 ;D
'Leader of Hartlepool Council Councillor Shane Moore added: "People are often surprised to learn that Hartlepool is the busiest single platform station in the country and really needs investment to increase the capacity to allow services to grow.'The key is the phrase 'single platform'. A town of our size should not have single-platform working.
And:
'Other projects include redevelopment of the railway station at Teesside International Airport'Good luck with that one. I believe that station has some sort of record for the least number of passengers a year and you need a shuttle bus to get you to the airport buildings.
That's why I'll be voting for him in May. Does what he says he'll do.
As for the Labour candidate here's two lines from the Gazette...'Jessie Joe says her campaign will focus on regeneration, transport, good quality jobs and communities.
She is also inviting communities to have their say with her people's manifesto.'
Who are these communities....? More important, who speaks for them?
All a bit vague and woolly.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 01, 2020, 12: PM
That's why I'll be voting for him in May. Does what he says he'll do.
It is Grand Central who are trying to get the 2nd platform at Hartlepool. Its nowt to do with politicians.
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Quote from: eddy on January 31, 2020, 02: PM
Re: The sale to EDF, they did pay for it, fair and square, and can now charge us for fixing our assets and building us new ones.
Thank you for demolishing your own argument for me. As for your anonymous friends 'analogy', I'll give you one.....if you sell you car to a taxi driver and he arrives a month later to take you to the railway station in your ex car, he expects to be paid.ta
The "nasty" europeans havent been maliciously fleecing the UK population in train fares, they are operating within the profit and turn over parameters of our own government who set the terms of the franchise.
With the excess profits they make they are able to cross subsidise their home market fares ta, again.
We are the vicious whore of europe who wants them to give her everything yet at the same time wants to punch them in face.
'vicious whore of Europe' my a*#e. Here we go again, fantasy party dogma quotes from the land of nod. I await a quick 'capitalist running dogs' quote anytime soon. What shift have they put you on by the way?
I love how you think you are in some way right or have won the argument! Suppose this is the post-truth age
I also enjoy the number of pre-conceptions and assumptions you can make about me, my views and my intelligence based on the fact I dare to not be a conservative supporter! Do you have a hand book of lefty insults you can refer to?
I am bored, you are clearly set in your ways and unable to see any other point of view, least of all some commie scum like me
Quote from: akarjl2 on February 01, 2020, 06: AM
I agree with you regarding British Rail....we should learn to operate trains the way the way the Dutch do. I can get from Amsterdam Schipol to Gronighen for 44 Euro first class new rolling stock with free wifi and tea/coffee. similar distance =60+ quid Hartlepool to Manchester cattle class......lucky to get a seat.....and trains constantly cancelled/delayed.
It can be done but the so called rail operators here are incapable of managing a hole in their arses.
Quote from: eddy on January 31, 2020, 09: PM
We are the vicious whore of europe who wants them to give her everything yet at the same time wants to punch them in face.
Speak for yourself....
Oddly you have just described labours approach to ANYONE running their own business. ;) Luckily the electorate did not believe Comrade Corby.. Get over it. Labour failed, The conservatives won and we are out of Europe. It is a new world.
Re: the EU, I am over it, for better or worse we will all learn if Nige and his mates were right. I ain't the type to take a sh!t on democracy either, the cat is out of the bag and has to have its fair turn. I wouldn't presume I stand for all the Corbyn et al preach about, people aren't so mono tone. Some on here could do with remembering that some times, in the same way I don't think anyone who voted brexit is a massive screaming racist
Putting brexit to one side you have to admit it's an odd situation
Quote from: eddy on February 01, 2020, 05: PM
I love how you think you are in some way right or have won the argument!
I'd hardly indulge in debate if I thought I was wrong would I? If you don't believe in what your debating, really what's the point..?
Suppose this is the post-truth age
post-truth age?....oh dear....oh dear, oh dear.
I also enjoy the number of pre-conceptions and assumptions you can make about me, my views and my intelligence based on the fact I dare to not be a conservative supporter!
'dare not to be a conservative'...... sorry, what on earth are you talking about?
Do you have a hand book of lefty insults you can refer to?
No, but I suspect you do.
I am bored, you are clearly set in your ways and unable to see any other point of view,
just like you then.
least of all some commie scum like me
OK I give up, who's writing your scripts, Wolfy Smith?
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t back to the topic https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/people/ps15-million-approved-try-boost-capacity-hartlepool-railway-station-1381729 ;D
'Leader of Hartlepool Council Councillor Shane Moore added: "People are often surprised to learn that Hartlepool is the busiest single platform station in the country and really needs investment to increase the capacity to allow services to grow.'
The key is the phrase 'single platform'. A town of our size should not have single-platform working.
And:
'Other projects include redevelopment of the railway station at Teesside International Airport'
Good luck with that one. I believe that station has some sort of record for the least number of passengers a year and you need a shuttle bus to get you to the airport buildings.
correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember we did have 2 years ago there was a bridge over the line when I was a lad in the old days when the radio worked on steam as well ;D ;D ;D ;D
Could someone translate eddy's post please.
A bridge would be a good idea to open up a second platform but there would need to be access for the Disabled ?
Quote from: seaton on February 02, 2020, 03: AM
A bridge would be a good idea to open up a second platform but there would need to be access for the Disabled ?
There was a lift. The bonus of a second platform would be access to the other side of the rail line and an extra footway into Church Street. This was (is?) the Grand Central plan and as usual politicians are leaping in to try and claim all the credit
Given the expansion of services at Tees Airport a Tees Airport rail station actually AT Tees Airport would be of more benefit than a second platform at Aaartlepoool.....particularly with flights soon to be going to London City.
Cue "ah yes but what about the disabled pensioners with rail cards who want to go to the Metro/Boro/York and wander round aimlessly? - They need a bridge!"
If you want jobs in the area you need to make it easy for business people to commuted to from area quickly.
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Quote from: seaton on February 02, 2020, 03: AM
A bridge would be a good idea to open up a second platform but there would need to be access for the Disabled ?
There was a lift. The bonus of a second platform would be access to the other side of the rail line and an extra footway into Church Street. This was (is?) the Grand Central plan and as usual politicians are leaping in to try and claim all the credit
To put it in context, The Grand Central Plan was a a wish list on their part. I don't disagree with it, but they weren't paying for it.
Those who have to organise the funding make it happen. You never complained this much about politicians claiming the credit even when the Bash Street Kids were in charge and their chubby faces were in the paper on a daily basis.
Quote from: akarjl2 on February 02, 2020, 06: AM
Given the expansion of services at Tees Airport a Tees Airport rail station actually AT Tees Airport would be of more benefit than a second platform at Aaartlepoool.....particularly with flights soon to be going to London City.
Cue "ah yes but what about the disabled pensioners with rail cards who want to go to the Metro/Boro/York and wander round aimlessly? - They need a bridge!"
If you want jobs in the area you need to make it easy for business people to commuted to from area quickly.
Anybody who has ever needed to commute (North or South), will have experienced the delays caused by trains having to wait outside the station, whilst waiting for the single platform to clear. Two platforms would help improve reliability and minimise delays for commuters. The southbound platform should be redeveloped with access for wheelchair users. Hopefully any ramps won't be as steep as at Eaglescliffe which Tanni Grey-Thompson regularly has to battle with. I hope it happens soon.
Quote from: akarjl2 on February 02, 2020, 06: AM
Cue "ah yes but what about the disabled pensioners with rail cards who want to go to the Metro/Boro/York and wander round aimlessly? - They need a bridge!"
I think you will find it is a legal requirement.
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You never complained this much about politicians claiming the credit even when the Bash Street Kids were in charge and their chubby faces were in the paper on a daily basis.
Laughably incorrect. A simple forum search will show that you are lying.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 02, 2020, 09: AM
To put it in context, The Grand Central Plan was a a wish list on their part. I don't disagree with it, but they weren't paying for it.
It was their plan in 20i4 and they were proposing to pay for it.
Grand Central also advised that it planned to invest a further £2.6m in infrastructure
improvements at Hartlepool station by bringing back into use the disused platform. It said
this would deliver benefits to Grand Central's passengers as well as helping to relieve
capacity constraints on the route as a whole. Should it not prove possible to produce a
viable scheme to bring the platform back into use, Grand Central said it would invest a
similar amount to improve retail or passenger facilities and car parking at Hartlepool and/or
other stations served by Grand Central.
https://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/14586/s17-gc-dec-let.pdf
As not many here seem to use the trains I can confirm the GC Passenger Lounge is now open at Hartlepool Railway Station.
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/grand-central-reveals-new-passenger-lounge-at-hartlepool-station.html
If it's anything like Tumbleweed Junction, they'll promise a 'beam me up Scotty' option and we'll end up with a rope swing.
Joking aside, a bridge with a gentle ramp please....?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 02, 2020, 09: AM
You never complained this much about politicians claiming the credit even when the Bash Street Kids were in charge and their chubby faces were in the paper on a daily basis.
Is this the shape of things to come? The poorly attempted rewrite of history so that all those who are in opposition of certain views on this board are now to be painted as lifelong supporters of the SCABS?
Quite sad really on where this forum finds itself sometimes these days. Imma gonna tell Ste n Cwis on you.....
It is very bizarre that a forum which centered around 'calling people out' and 'holding people to account' now seems to be doing exactly what people accused the SCABS of doing back in the day.
By that, I mean there was NEVER any demands for evidence or for people to "go to the police" if the late SteveL or whoever shared information on here which was worthy of scrutiny.
The same people who often accused HBC and the SCABS of whitewashing controversy, now seem to be holding the brush and a large tin of emulsion.
Sad times.
Only in your opinion...in case you hadn't noticed times have moved on.
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Only in your opinion...
Sadly not just his Fred. Blatantly obvious to those outside looking in.
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Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 02, 2020, 09: AM
You never complained this much about politicians claiming the credit even when the Bash Street Kids were in charge and their chubby faces were in the paper on a daily basis.
Laughably incorrect. A simple forum search will show that you are lying.
Searching through everything you've said ....? I won't live that long, and if I did I'd probably die of terminal boredom.
I don't recall the present incumbents being in the local press as much as the flash bulb addicted predecessors were.
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Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 02, 2020, 09: AM
To put it in context, The Grand Central Plan was a a wish list on their part. I don't disagree with it, but they weren't paying for it.
It was their plan in 20i4 and they were proposing to pay for it.
So what stopped them?
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Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 02, 2020, 09: AM
You never complained this much about politicians claiming the credit even when the Bash Street Kids were in charge and their chubby faces were in the paper on a daily basis.
Is this the shape of things to come? The poorly attempted rewrite of history so that all those who are in opposition of certain views on this board are now to be painted as lifelong supporters of the SCABS?
Quite sad really on where this forum finds itself sometimes these days. Imma gonna tell Ste n Cwis on you.....
Try reading whatI said, not what you'd like to think I said.
Quote from: DRiddle on February 03, 2020, 12: PM
It is very bizarre that a forum which centered around 'calling people out' and 'holding people to account' now seems to be doing exactly what people accused the SCABS of doing back in the day.
Your sentence makes no sense whatsoever. ::)
Any forum consists of x number of people each expressing y number of ideas - so why should some kind of consensus be assumed? The idea that there's some kind of hive mind going on seems distinctly weird to me.
Quote from: DRiddle on February 03, 2020, 12: PM
I mean there was NEVER any demands for evidence or for people to "go to the police"
I cant be arsed nor do I have the time (unlike some who seem to live here) to trawl through years of post regarding this issue. But if they had
evidence they should have gone to police the police. I know some did.
The cross hairs landed on you because maybe in an attempt to build your "cred" in the run up to a local election you rocked up here claiming to "know" about some wrong doing by a clownciller ( AKA waste of oxygen)...
offered no evidence and chose to just make posts fanning the damp kindling rather than actually taking any action including
IF the law had been broken reporting the matter to the police.
So yes demands for evidence and if evidence is forthcoming, for people to report it to the police will continue. Why would you not? Lack of balls ( or the equivalent)?
Maybe you should stick to teaching?
Quote from: akarjl2 on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
The cross hairs landed on you because maybe in an attempt to build your "cred" in the run up to a local election you rocked up here claiming to "know" about some wrong doing by a clownciller ( AKA waste of oxygen)...offered no evidence
Not true. He provided a link to the evidence and I posted it and the mods deleted it as offensive.
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Quote from: akarjl2 on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
The cross hairs landed on you because maybe in an attempt to build your "cred" in the run up to a local election you rocked up here claiming to "know" about some wrong doing by a clownciller ( AKA waste of oxygen)...offered no evidence
Not true. He provided a link to the evidence and I posted it and the mods deleted it as offensive.
And that was because it WAS offensive. Such material has no place in here. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
And that was because it WAS offensive. Such material has no place in here. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
The claim was Riddle failed to provide evidence. That is not proven to be a lie.
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
And that was because it WAS offensive. Such material has no place in here. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
The claim was Riddle failed to provide evidence. That is not proven to be a lie.
** Sighs ** ... will redefine that to be evidence provided to those who could take real action, rather than just chatter about it?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
** Sighs ** ... will redefine that to be evidence provided to those who could take real action, rather than just chatter about it?
The original claim that Riddle failed to provide evidence is a lie. Evidence
was provided
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
** Sighs ** ... will redefine that to be evidence provided to those who could take real action, rather than just chatter about it?
The original claim that Riddle failed to provide evidence is a lie. Evidence was provided
Have you ever thought that someone who wasn't permanently glued to the forum might not have seen a deleted post?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
Perhaps for the same reason this Brexit Party candidate did not report the pigs head incident?
https://youtu.be/OYonssZACZY?t=622
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Have you ever thought that someone who wasn't permanently glued to the forum might not have seen a deleted post?
How does that change the fact that evidence was provided to back the claim?
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Have you ever thought that someone who wasn't permanently glued to the forum might not have seen a deleted post?
How does that change the fact that evidence was provided to back the claim?
It doesn't - simply explained that someone might be completely unaware of what had been posted. Even admins. can't view deleted posts.
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Have you ever thought that someone who wasn't permanently glued to the forum might not have seen a deleted post?
How does that change the fact that evidence was provided to back the claim?
It doesn't - simply explained that someone might be completely unaware of what had been posted. Even admins. can't view deleted posts.
just s suggestion for the future why not move it to registered only with a warning
then if a member chooses to view it it's up to them
!!
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Have you ever thought that someone who wasn't permanently glued to the forum might not have seen a deleted post?
How does that change the fact that evidence was provided to back the claim?
It doesn't - simply explained that someone might be completely unaware of what had been posted. Even admins. can't view deleted posts.
just s suggestion for the future why not move it to registered only with a warning
then if a member chooses to view it it's up to them
!!
If only that were technically possible ...
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Quote from: mk1 on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
** Sighs ** ... will redefine that to be evidence provided to those who could take real action, rather than just chatter about it?
The original claim that Riddle failed to provide evidence is a lie. Evidence was provided
Have you ever thought that someone who wasn't permanently glued to the forum might not have seen a deleted post?
Post of the year ;)
Quote from: mk1 on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
Perhaps for the same reason this Brexit Party candidate did not report the pigs head incident?
https://youtu.be/OYonssZACZY?t=622
Same Old news Same old party...same old rant about things that have already happened...helloooooo we have "brexited"
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 09: PM
Quote from: mk1 on February 03, 2020, 08: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
And that was because it WAS offensive. Such material has no place in here. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
The claim was Riddle failed to provide evidence. That is not proven to be a lie.
** Sighs ** ... will redefine that to be evidence provided to those who could take real action, rather than just chatter about it?
Chatter being the operative word....
Quote from: mk1 on February 03, 2020, 08: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 03, 2020, 06: PM
And that was because it WAS offensive. Such material has no place in here. Still doesn't explain why those who did have 'evidence' chose to spread it on social media rather than raise it with the authorities.
The claim was Riddle failed to provide evidence. That is not proven to be a lie.
A pedantically fussy point as expected.
As someone once pointed out to me, 'It's not how much ammunition you have, it's whether you're prepared to fire the gun at the target. Threatening to pull the trigger is just Windbaggery.'
We'll have all this cobblers from the glum club till the May election is over.
Trouble for glum club members is that the the Big Bad Brexit Party have disappeared now, as their target has now been achieved, and if your biggest bogey man disappears what do you do....?
If the present Brexit councillors revert to independent status, a meltdown of Krakatoa proportions will ensue from the glum club....after all, their Party must win as bragging rights are in desperately short supply for them.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 04, 2020, 07: AM
the Big Bad Brexit Party have disappeared now, as their target has now been achieved,
They disappeared because hardly anyone voted for them. They were wiped out. Failed to get elected anywhere and were trounced in Hartlepool by the political giant Mike Hill !
Its comical to see those who were totally convinced they were going to replace the Labour Party and change politics 'forever' pretending they were Boris supporters.
Boris is not Farage and a Boris deal will not be the deal Farage wants so no The Brexit Party did not achieve anything other than reduce the Tory majority
QuoteThreatening to pull the trigger is just Windbaggery
Threatening to pull the trigger? Lol. Channel 4 were tipped off and the overt racist within the woodpile was publicly exposed, forced to resign and the police became involved.
That's windbaggery is it?
We truly are living in a post truth world.
No news from the Hartlepool Blah about a local Pixie Activist casting aspersions about someone being a Nazi........
Or is windbaggery only a one way street travelling in a non labour direction.
Quote from: fred c on February 04, 2020, 12: PM
Or is windbaggery only a one way street travelling in a non labour direction.
No one here (and I mean absolutely no one) did more to bring about the downfall of the SCABs/Labour than David.
True windbaggery would be claiming you want to keep national politics out of local elections then joining a national political party!
In this instance it could be that someone may have had the plums to report it to the relevant agency.
Quote from: mk1 on February 04, 2020, 08: AM
Boris is not Farage and a Boris deal will not be the deal Farage wants so no The Brexit Party did not achieve anything other than reduce the Tory majority
At the risk of pointing out the obvious- who cares? We are out. The Labour Milly Tant lunatic party has been destroyed. I call that a double win.
Locally I couldn't give a rats- as long as we have HBC it really does not mater who is running it they will continue to take us to the cleaners and look after their own interests.
Scabs and Co have been replaced by an opportunist 2 x drunk driver ( which IMO means he is not a fit and proper person to hold the office).
Come may hopefully he will be history....
Icing on the cake the cardboard cutout MP is STILL under investigation by the police and a tribunal..maybe there is even more good news to come and he gets the boot?
Time to shut down the local clowncils......
Quote from: fred c on February 04, 2020, 12: PM
No news from the Hartlepool Blah about a local Pixie Activist casting aspersions about someone being a Nazi........
Or is windbaggery only a one way street travelling in a non labour direction.
Talking of truth - are you intending to run
for high office oops freudian slip as a clownciller/windbag/waste of oxygen ( delete as appropriate) once again? Lets hear it first here!
Quote from: mk1 on February 04, 2020, 08: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 04, 2020, 07: AM
the Big Bad Brexit Party have disappeared now, as their target has now been achieved,
They disappeared because hardly anyone voted for them. They were wiped out. Failed to get elected anywhere and were trounced in Hartlepool by the political giant Mike Hill !
Its comical to see those who were totally convinced they were going to replace the Labour Party and change politics 'forever' pretending they were Boris supporters.
Boris is not Farage and a Boris deal will not be the deal Farage wants so no The Brexit Party did not achieve anything other than reduce the Tory majority
Still bitter eh...? They also took Labour votes across the country. Served their purpose, not needed now.
Quote from: DRiddle on February 04, 2020, 11: AM
QuoteThreatening to pull the trigger is just Windbaggery
Threatening to pull the trigger? Lol. Channel 4 were tipped off and the overt racist within the woodpile was publicly exposed, forced to resign and the police became involved.
That's windbaggery is it?
You just don't get it do you. Oh dear,
We truly are living in a post truth world.
Will that 'we', be you and your faithful hound? Because you must have invented the concept.
Quote from: mk1 on February 04, 2020, 01: PM
Quote from: fred c on February 04, 2020, 12: PM
Or is windbaggery only a one way street travelling in a non labour direction.
No one here (and I mean absolutely no one) did more to bring about the downfall of the SCABs/Labour than David.
True windbaggery would be claiming you want to keep national politics out of local elections then joining a national political party
We'll watch future developments in that department with interest.
The "Nazi" FB post by a labmob activist has been removed.......Who'd a thunk an influential labmob Pixie would have posted such an abusive & possibly illegal comment ?
Apparently an apology was made for Big Pixies Nazi comment......I didn't actually see it, but he somehow mixed up Nazi with Luftwaffe....How anyone could mix up the two really takes some believing in fact I suspect no body does.
So to clarify the terms for the benefit of anyone to stupid not to already know.
Nazi
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nazi
Luftwaffe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe
Quote from: fred c on February 05, 2020, 07: AM
but he somehow mixed up Nazi with Luftwaffe....How anyone could mix up the two really takes some believing in fact I suspect no body does.
When your 'life' is devoted to Party politics at the lowest level, to the exclusion of everything but blind subservience to the Party line, you tend to be a bit on the dim side.
After all any Party lackey has to quickly learn that all knowledge has to conform to Partyspeak, so best to ignore everything else and drink copiously at the Party fountain of 'knowledge'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 05, 2020, 09: AM
When your 'life' is devoted to Party politics at the lowest level, to the exclusion of everything but blind subservience to the Party line, you tend to be a bit on the dim side.
After all any Party lackey has to quickly learn that all knowledge has to conform to Partyspeak, so best to ignore everything else and drink copiously at the Party fountain of 'knowledge'.
Do a Forum search for 'Chamberlain' and you will see how dim certain Party members can get.
Quote from: fred c on February 05, 2020, 07: AM
Apparently an apology was made for Big Pixies Nazi comment......I didn't actually see it, but he somehow mixed up Nazi with Luftwaffe....How anyone could mix up the two really takes some believing in fact I suspect no body does.
I can see how it can be done. If you were in the Luftwaffe and a Party Member them you are a Nazi. Difficult to figure out without seeing the original comment.
Quote from: mk1 on February 05, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 05, 2020, 09: AM
When your 'life' is devoted to Party politics at the lowest level, to the exclusion of everything but blind subservience to the Party line, you tend to be a bit on the dim side.
After all any Party lackey has to quickly learn that all knowledge has to conform to Partyspeak, so best to ignore everything else and drink copiously at the Party fountain of 'knowledge'.
Do a Forum search for 'Chamberlain' and you will see how dim certain Party members can get.
Do it yourself.
Quote from: mk1 on February 05, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: fred c on February 05, 2020, 07: AM
. Difficult to figure out without seeing the original comment.
A good general rule if applied across the board. However......
What was the original topic again....?
Quote from: diSme on February 05, 2020, 01: PM
What was the original topic again....?
Probably rare birds in the Peruvian jungle ... PS FAO another member - here's an update - if we want to see details about militaria we'll go to the Imperial War Museum
The labour Pixie called a Post members father a Nazi......No context needed, no apology offered and the deputy leader of the labour group attempting to pass off a p**s take Luftwaffe/Nazi mix up as an apology
Quote from: diSme on February 05, 2020, 01: PM
What was the original topic again....?
I started it and I've forgotten. ;D
I would suspect it was something about the Brexit Party and fruitcake loonies...everything seems to go down that route combined with secret revelations from a failed clownciller and quotes/videos supplied by our resident archivist. ;)
;D ;D ;D
Quotea failed clownciller
Lol. I only got involved to help bring down the SCABS and to help highlight the local Labour Party had been hijacked by chancers and charlatans.
I stood in ONE election, won it (Shane came 5th of 5 in the election i won by the way) and set about my aim above. I highlighted my views very publicly to a wider audience in the town. I called them out of every possible occasion, embarrassed them in speeches in the chamber, in the local media, on here and helped expose them for what they are. I stood toe to toe with Cranney, Sloth and mad dog to the extent that all 3 of them went for me either verbally or almost physically on several occasions.
We're now at a stage where the SCABS are firmly drinking in the last chance saloon before May and labour locally has largely cleared the decks of a group who were frankly, scum.
i don't claim credit for that, there were MANY people involved and it was a long process. In the grand scheme of things I went into HBC with the aim of helping to bring down a council which i believed to be amongst the most morally corrupt in the country. I wanted rid of Cranney, mad Dog, Barclay, anyone with the name Akers and/or Belcher as well as various other hangers on.
The job will be finished by others in May.
But please, troll on behind your pseudonym ;)
Quote from: DRiddle on February 06, 2020, 10: AM
Quotea failed clownciller
Lol. I only got involved to help bring down the SCABS and to help highlight the local Labour Party had been hijacked by chancers and charlatans.
Well I will give you credit for being instrumental in their downfall- :) :) :) :)it would seem they are now setting about their own destruction without assistance from others.
Quote from: DRiddle on February 06, 2020, 10: AM
We're now at a stage where the SCABS are firmly drinking in the last chance saloon before May and labour locally has largely cleared the decks of a group who were frankly, scum.
I agree totally with your opinion of the cabal, but I question whether local Labour did anything to get rid of them. The local Labour group sat impassive for years like nodding dogs and played tickle belly.
The cabal committed political suicide when the electorate got sick of their ....'performance'. They'll be gone by May.
You played your part as did others , but the local Labour Party deserve no credit whatsoever for tolerating their leadership for so long.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 06, 2020, 04: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on February 06, 2020, 10: AM
We're now at a stage where the SCABS are firmly drinking in the last chance saloon before May and labour locally has largely cleared the decks of a group who were frankly, scum.
I agree totally with your opinion of the cabal, but I question whether local Labour did anything to get rid of them. The local Labour group sat impassive for years like nodding dogs and played tickle belly.
The cabal committed political suicide when the electorate got sick of their ....'performance'. They'll be gone by May.
You played your part as did others , but the local Labour Party deserve no credit whatsoever for tolerating their leadership for so long.
Very well said. Didn't the scabs ultimately turn their backs on Labour, not the other way around...
The cabal thought they were untouchable. They didn't lose the plot because there wasn't a plot to lose. They were political opportunists who could have stood for any party and if they lived in the Home Counties doubtless they'd have been Tories.
If you want to power, you join the Party in control of where you are.
How they stayed in power so long is beyond comprehension. We have eyes that can see, yet the local herd kept their collective heads down and apparently saw NOWT. They marched meekly and obediently to the drumbeat of a pantomime cast of 'politicians'. When the whole rotten edifice began to crumble they emerged from the rubble patting themselves on the back like survivors. They were part of the problem, the supports that held it all together and any idea of congratulations for those who stayed under the 'rubble' till they were sure their leaders had legged it is risible.
In my opinion, their governance of our town was like putting a Ming vase out at a chimps tea party.
I have always advocated against national party's having anything to do with local politics and stand by that and why I applauded the advent of PHF.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 06, 2020, 04: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on February 06, 2020, 10: AM
We're now at a stage where the SCABS are firmly drinking in the last chance saloon before May and labour locally has largely cleared the decks of a group who were frankly, scum.
I agree totally with your opinion of the cabal, but I question whether local Labour did anything to get rid of them. The local Labour group sat impassive for years like nodding dogs and played tickle belly.
The cabal committed political suicide when the electorate got sick of their ....'performance'. They'll be gone by May.
You played your part as did others , but the local Labour Party deserve no credit whatsoever for tolerating their leadership for so long.
The LabMob would like everyone to believe they mucked out the SCABAL Stable not so, I could name at least half a dozen labmob councillors who sat back and did sweet FA about the SCABAL's excesses whilst they were councillors and even less when they left office.
In actual fact there are still 3 sitting councillors who ambled along under CABS Leadership, they all raised their hands in support of the dozens of motions put before full council.
What they never mention is the role played by the HCLP in all of this, HCLP and it's committee suffered from the Ostrich Syndrome, heads buried in the sand hoping that the s**t storm would pass over them.
So lets get it right...........It was the late and sadly missed Steve Latimer with others including D Riddle that brought about the demise of the SCABAL, for the labmob to claim they cut out the cancer that infected local labour is wishful thinking on there part.
I recently watched the comedy drama 'Death of Stalin'. You wondered where fact and fiction parted. However, after the film I thought how much it reminded me of the closing days of the Dear Leaders departure to Comrade Scargill's collective.
Quote from: diSme on February 06, 2020, 05: PM
Didn't the scabs ultimately turn their backs on Labour, not the other way around...
They got SAB bang to rights on campaigning for a non Labour councillor. It is a sacking offence and the dope was too stupid to realise what he was doing. For certain he knew he was getting kicked out so he 'resigned' before that happened. The rest realised their time was up and they left soon after. Its like a man facing the firing squad pulling out a gun and shooting himself in the head a second before the squad shoot at him. Technically he cheated the firing squad.
Quote from: mk1 on February 06, 2020, 06: PM
Quote from: diSme on February 06, 2020, 05: PM
Didn't the scabs ultimately turn their backs on Labour, not the other way around...
They got SAB bang to rights on campaigning for a non Labour councillor. It is a sacking offence and the dope was too stupid to realise what he was doing. For certain he knew he was getting kicked out so he 'resigned' before that happened. The rest realised their time was up and they left soon after. Its like a man facing the firing squad pulling out a gun and shooting himself in the head a second before the squad shoot at him. Technically he cheated the firing squad.
How many millions of square miles did they need to scour and how long did it take them to find the balls to put a tale on SAB.....(pun intended)
Quote from: fred c on February 06, 2020, 08: PM
How many millions of square miles did they need to scour and how long did it take them to find the balls to put a tale on SAB.....(pun intended)
I believe they tried deselection but he had the local group stuffed with friends-they way Ray did it with the local Conservative Party and got Shane to self- defenestrate.
Quote from: fred c on February 06, 2020, 08: PM
Quote from: mk1 on February 06, 2020, 06: PM
Quote from: diSme on February 06, 2020, 05: PM
Didn't the scabs ultimately turn their backs on Labour, not the other way around...
They got SAB bang to rights on campaigning for a non Labour councillor. It is a sacking offence and the dope was too stupid to realise what he was doing. For certain he knew he was getting kicked out so he 'resigned' before that happened. The rest realised their time was up and they left soon after. Its like a man facing the firing squad pulling out a gun and shooting himself in the head a second before the squad shoot at him. Technically he cheated the firing squad.
How many millions of square miles did they need to scour and how long did it take them to find the balls to put a tale on SAB.....(pun intended)
Labour didn't do any of that. In the end it was by pure chance that a member of this board spotted it on the way to work one morning, knew enough to see that it was worth getting a picture and did so (albeit not very good ones but enough in the end).
No idea who the person was who did for them and added the final straw to the already straining camels back, no idea at all.................... ::) ::) ::)
The comment about shooting himself in the head would result in no injury whatsoever.
My original post was regarding the transporter being way past it's sell by date. It's been closed since July and now it's been announcedtoday there is a full structural survey which will keep it closed till August/September. Don't bother, just replace it at Cargo Fleet.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2020, 08: PM
My original post was regarding the transporter being way past it's sell by date. It's been closed since July and now it's been announcedtoday there is a full structural survey which will keep it closed till August/September. Don't bother, just replace it at Cargo Fleet.
Never to reopen?
Why spend money for a so called bridge that's open 8 till 4 which closes for an hour for lunch and closed on Sundays, apparently for bungee jumping.
That's not a working bridge, it's a novelty act.
Meanwhile, the answer to such problems is to keep widening the A19 even more. ::)
Run by Cleveland Transit at one point in time.
I agree the transporter bridge is a waste of space and should be dismantled and replaced by a TRANSPORT crossing and not be a very expensive plaything. It is not even impressive as an engineering icon - if you had a Meccano set, it was one of the first things you built as it was so easy.
It is in the ideal place for a new crossing to enable workers north of the Tees to access the proposed works and Freeport in the Redcar area. Replace it with a bridge or tunnel.
Quite a lot of people outside of this forum would disagree with that POV. Find it curious people would want to dismantle something that is probably the biggest landmark on Teesside! Last time I checked there isn't a load of other things in the way down there (or other places) where a new bridge could be built without having to destroy our industrial heritage ! It's grade II* listed anyway so you will never be rid of the thing, unless you want to lobby Middlesbrough Council to deliberately let it fall down (and miraculously face no backlash from the general public)
The bigger issue with a crossing down there would be the road links to / from it. You would have to turn the existing road to Seaton into a dual carriage way which, coupled with the increase in traffic, would do wonders for our other big Teesside tourist attraction down that way (Saltholme). Or should we prioritise making space or infrastructure for cars over everything else?
It's would be a fraction of the cost (and impact) to run a better rail service or tram / metro style operation if connectivity was the issue. Simply building more and more roads has consistently proven a counter productive. See LA or the M25
Quote from: eddy on February 16, 2020, 03: PM
Quite a lot of people outside of this forum would disagree with that POV. Find it curious people would want to dismantle something that is probably the biggest landmark on Teesside! Last time I checked there isn't a load of other things in the way down there (or other places) where a new bridge could be built without having to destroy our industrial heritage ! It's grade II* listed anyway so you will never be rid of the thing, unless you want to lobby Middlesbrough Council to deliberately let it fall down (and miraculously face no backlash from the general public)
It's not our industrial heritage any more than the Tyne Bridge is. It's a very expensive museum piece that needs replacing as it no longer does what it was meant to do. If the public of 'Teesside' want to pay for it, they can. I for one don't.
The bigger issue with a crossing down there would be the road links to / from it. You would have to turn the existing road to Seaton into a dual carriage way which, coupled with the increase in traffic, would do wonders for our other big Teesside tourist attraction down that way (Saltholme). Or should we prioritise making space or infrastructure for cars over everything else?
In the 80's a tunnel was proposed to run through to Cargo Fleet from the opposite bank. Check out the disused dual carriageway bridge at Graythorp which was part of the plan. Saltholme has a constant stream of tankers and other traffic constantly going down to Seal Sands, a dual carriageway would probably alleviate things. '
It's would be a fraction of the cost (and impact) to run a better rail service or tram / metro style operation if connectivity was the issue. Simply building more and more roads has consistently proven a counter productive. See LA or the M25
It certainly would, but they ain't gonna do it. Cheap as chips to do, everything is there, but can you rely upon rail company's to do it...no. Everyone has a car because public transport sadly, is unreliable in the long term, expensive and run for the convenience of the company's. They've been promising trams and all sorts since the 70's for the area, but nothing ever happens.
Maybe a water-taxi would be a better investment?
https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/12/-1.1838/54.6128/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&elevation_model=coastal_dem&forecast_year=2050&pathway=rcp45&percentile=p50&return_level=return_level_1&slr_model=kopp_2014
The infrastructure on the south side is good to the A66. Little improvement necessary.
On the north side the military road isn't as good but it isn't bad and could be improved at little cost. I don't think the wildlife would be affected. It would soon accept any initial disturbance. As IK reported the current bridge is a cash eater and serves no useful purpose. I bet the Middlesbrough CT payer would gladly accept a reduction in CT in lieu of a useless hunk of metal. It was built to satisfy the demands of the 18th Century not the 21st and was out of date when it opened.
Newcastle got its prefabricated tunnel laid on the river bed and that could easily be done here.
We need better access to the Redcar sites to be able to take advantage of the job opportunities on offer.
The trouble with the Tees Valley is it's like an horseshoe and more access across the river is needed to open it up. The transporter was past it 60 years ago and should have been replaced then.
Quote from: mk1 on February 16, 2020, 06: PM
Maybe a water-taxi would be a better investment?
https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/12/-1.1838/54.6128/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&elevation_model=coastal_dem&forecast_year=2050&pathway=rcp45&percentile=p50&return_level=return_level_1&slr_model=kopp_2014
Good idea- aka as a ferry.
Short run ferries are used all over Scandinavia to avoid having to drive around fjords and rivers. Access to tidal river could be achieved utilising a floating pontoon and link. Peanuts compared to cost of building a bridge. Once the reconstruction oft the tees works site begins something will be needed.
Is there any political appetite for any new crossings?
Sounds like the sort of thing the Tees Mayor Elect would be getting behind (like his airport)