This is looking rather interesting. And distinctly crowded in places.
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/downloads/file/5042/statement_of_persons_nominated
For anyone in the fens/rossmere area, I know Peter Joyce personally, and I know he's a genuine, stand-up kind of guy.
He most definitely defends the interests of the local community, and has done for years, and he is absolutely against the ruling mob we are currently enduring.
I don't want to sound like I'm canvassing on his behalf, however I believe the fella to be well worthy of my vote, and I wished to share that sentiment.
I have to admit that having met Peter Joyce numerous time at various council meetings he is certainly aware of the problems the town faces and is committed to changing things, from my conversations with him I get the impression that he believes being a good councillor starts at ward level.......Fens and Rossmere could do a lot worse than give him a shot......
To be honest I'm a bit suspicious of the number of candidates standing in Foggy Furze ward ,seven seems to be a lot more than usual ,one might be tempted to think that there might be a bit of "gamesmanship" at work here. After all a diluted vote would give a sitting councillor a better chance of gaining a majority.
Agree with Topcat. There are at least 2 names on the ballot paper for Foggy Furze with connections to a third on there.
In fact, the ballot paper has some distinct similarities to the OFCA board.
http://www.ofca.org.uk/team.html
The sad thing is, I expect KC to walk it because most people are totally oblivious to what's been going on.
Sadly I have to agree with Mr Riddle the labour vote is too entrenched in some people's minds to be able to shift it for at least another generation.
Foggy Furze Ward has indeed a rash of independents, but who is the real independent?
As for Cranney getting in again, he probably will, because if you aren't on social media you rely on local news outlets, which will bombard you with pictures of the politburo and their beaming faces as they announce yet another good news initiative. The image is massaged and the future is bright, if you have no other viewpoint to inform you.
The 'Real Indepent' could have 'I Am Not A Relative Of Kevin Cranney' as header on his election leaflet.....
Then underneath that..... Joe Bloggs, Billy Baconeck, ***** *********** are.
Quote from: fred c on April 06, 2019, 07: AM
The 'Real Indepent' could have 'I Am Not A Relative Of Kevin Cranney' as header on his election leaflet.....
Then underneath that..... Joe Bloggs, Billy Baconeck, ***** *********** are.
You've given me an idea of how to spot the 'not so independents' now.
Just check the spelling of the word 'independent' as I'm sure the use of a five syllable word they'd have trouble pronouncing never mind spelling will reveal them as members of 'Culture Club'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 06, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: fred c on April 06, 2019, 07: AM
The 'Real Indepent' could have 'I Am Not A Relative Of Kevin Cranney' as header on his election leaflet.....
Then underneath that..... Joe Bloggs, Billy Baconeck, ***** *********** are.
You've given me an idea of how to spot the 'not so independents' now.
Just check the spelling of the word 'independent' as I'm sure the use of a five syllable word they'd huave trouble pronouncing never mind spelling will reveal them as members of 'Culture Club'.
Be Very Careful you don't make any More Typo's.......
CABs tactic is clear. He knows Mammy Belcher and the Inebriate are not going to win. He justhopes the two stooges will bleed enough Labour votes to make sure the 'New' New Labour lot do not win and a real independent gets the seat. That way there won't be enough votes to replace him as 'leader' and he will keep control the purse-strings. He is not in the least bit concerned that Labour will loses seats and his overriding aim is to keep his income stream. Once the Corbynites take over he knows its back to flipping burgers for him and his turnip of a partner.
Labour don't have to lose many before they lose overall control and by default the leadership.
:D
Quote from: fred c on April 06, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 06, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: fred c on April 06, 2019, 07: AM
The 'Real Indepent' could have 'I Am Not A Relative Of Kevin Cranney' as header on his election leaflet.....
Then underneath that..... Joe Bloggs, Billy Baconeck, ***** *********** are.
You've given me an idea of how to spot the 'not so independents' now.
Just check the spelling of the word 'independent' as I'm sure the use of a five syllable word they'd huave trouble pronouncing never mind spelling will reveal them as members of 'Culture Club'.
Be Very Careful you don't make any More Typo's.......
Oops, does that mean I have to stand as an independent? :D
Quote from: SRMoore on April 06, 2019, 04: PM
Labour don't have to lose many before they lose overall control and by default the leadership.
Better to be the leader of the largest gang than a minnow in the Ruling group. The Tory Councillor votes are bought and paid for.
Quote from: SRMoore on April 06, 2019, 04: PM
Labour don't have to lose many before they lose overall control and by default the leadership.
Isn't that assuming that the Independents get their act together and combine - a split independent group may be able to vote as a majority but won't be recognised as a political group - I believe that was voted down at the last Full Council meeting by both the HIGs and Lab/Con groups. If the Independents are not recognised as a group for the purpose of constitutional representation on the various committees they definitely won't be recognised when deciding the overall control of the chamber.
Currently Labour have 18 seats with next largest party being HIG with 7 seats - the rest are Conservative with 3 then 5 Independents
So Labour would have to lose 6 seats and they would all have to go to HIG
If Independents & HIG combine Labour would only need to lose 4 seats - still a large task
Quote from: jeffh on April 06, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on April 06, 2019, 04: PM
Labour don't have to lose many before they lose overall control and by default the leadership.
Isn't that assuming that the Independents get their act together and combine - a split independent group may be able to vote as a majority but won't be recognised as a political group - I believe that was voted down at the last Full Council meeting by both the HIGs and Lab/Con groups. If the Independents are not recognised as a group for the purpose of constitutional representation on the various committees they definitely won't be recognised when deciding the overall control of the chamber.
Independent Union councillors and Independent councillors don't need to be in the same group to be recognised when deciding overall control. The council leader should be voted on every year but with Labour always having had a controlling majority a vote has never been taken (even though constitutionally it should have been).
As you know I voted to keep independents classed as a group for the purpose of deciding committee places though it is also true that even when independents were classed as a group too many of them did not take up their share of committee places, hence them not being represented on the constitution committee.
My sincere hope for this election is for the council to go into no overall control so that all groups have to sit down around the table and discuss things like adults to put forward plans and decisions that a command a cross party majority. Rather than the railroading from one group as we have seen in the past.
Quote from: SRMoore on April 06, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: jeffh on April 06, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on April 06, 2019, 04: PM
Labour don't have to lose many before they lose overall control and by default the leadership.
Isn't that assuming that the Independents get their act together and combine - a split independent group may be able to vote as a majority but won't be recognised as a political group - I believe that was voted down at the last Full Council meeting by both the HIGs and Lab/Con groups. If the Independents are not recognised as a group for the purpose of constitutional representation on the various committees they definitely won't be recognised when deciding the overall control of the chamber.
Independent Union councillors and Independent councillors don't need to be in the same group to be recognised when deciding overall control. The council leader should be voted on every year but with Labour always having had a controlling majority a vote has never been taken (even though constitutionally it should have been).
As you know I voted to keep independents classed as a group for the purpose of deciding committee places though it is also true that even when independents were classed as a group too many of them did not take up their share of committee places, hence them not being represented on the constitution committee.
My sincere hope for this election is for the council to go into no overall control so that all groups have to sit down around the table and discuss things like adults to put forward plans and decisions that a command a cross party majority. Rather than the railroading from one group as we have seen in the past.
Thanks for clarifying that Shane I, quite wrongly, thought that the Council Leader would be the leader of the majority group and not elected by the council members - so if my understanding is correct - this coming May when the vote for Leader takes place with the way the no-confidence voting went the vote split would be 13 (includes 3 Conservative) for CAB and 20 for AN Other - let's hope no more then one candidate stands against him.
Not up to speed on procedure but couldn't a motion of no confidence in the Leader have been proposed by the council?
Quote from: jeffh on April 06, 2019, 07: PM
Thanks for clarifying that Shane I, quite wrongly, thought that the Council Leader would be the leader of the majority group and not elected by the council members
No worries Jeff, we all wrongly assumed that but since Labour have always had a majority in the council their Leader has seemingly automatically become the council leader.
I would assume then with this new information that yes, members could call for a vote of no confidence but that would have to be clarified by the chief solicitor.
I have long thought that the full council should decide who the leader should be, however the seemingly automatic appointment of the leader of the largest group as leader of the council has always been reinforced by CAB's 6 year reign.
This new information is a further condemnation of the HCLP and its councillors, in theory the recent attempted coup would have succeeded if all councillors including tories and independents had been allowed to vote. ?
I also think that the selection of the Mayor should not be a matter of a member of the largest group automatically being nominated for the position, I personally believe that the Mayoral position should be a reward for long service to the town.
Well, I've certainly learned something today; always took it that the leading group automatically appointed the leader. So ... can removal of a leader come from a wider source, too?
Quote from: SRMoore on April 06, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: jeffh on April 06, 2019, 07: PM
Thanks for clarifying that Shane I, quite wrongly, thought that the Council Leader would be the leader of the majority group and not elected by the council members
No worries Jeff, we all wrongly assumed that but since Labour have always had a majority in the council their Leader has seemingly automatically become the council leader.
I would assume then with this new information that yes, members could call for a vote of no confidence but that would have to be clarified by the chief solicitor.
Just to confirm what Shane is saying is correct.
Under Article 6 of the Constitution (Part 2 Page 19) it says that both the Leader and Deputy Leader are appointed by the Council from amongst its voting Members. If the Council does not appoint a Leader, the Leader of the largest political group will become the Leader.
Quote from: fred c on April 06, 2019, 08: PM
I also think that the selection of the Mayor should not be a matter of a member of the largest group automatically being nominated for the position, I personally believe that the Mayoral position should be a reward for long service to the town.
The position of Mayor seems to have been degraded from a dignified honour to that of a bauble for the spoilt or obedient bag carriers. It's a joke.
I personally think a 'no overall control' situation is a bridge too far for this particular election.
Currently we have 18 Labour, 7 independent Union, 5 independent and 3 Tory.
I see things panning out as follows:
Burn Valley – Ged Hall is likely to hold the seat. So basically 'no change' in the numbers.
De Bruce – Rob Cook will hold it, mainly due to lobotomized electorate in that area, rather than anything to do with his performance as a Councillor. So 'no change'.
Fens and Rossmere – I expect Slim Jim to hold this by around 150. In any other town he'd be finished politically after his grubby grab of the 31% rise. But this is Hartlepool, the split vote will save him. So still 'no change'.
Foggy Furze – Despite making the national tabloid press for asking a granny if he'd slept with her, despite 30 odd failed businesses, despite being banned from running a company for half a decade and despite having to be physically restrained by two senior council officers as he threatened to give me a clump, the pound shop godfather will hold this thanks to his mates lending their names to the ballot paper ensuring a very split vote. No change.
Hart Ward – This one will be close. Eileen Kendon is like Marmite on the Bishop Cuthbert estate and the collective anti-Labour vote firmly established on Hart Ward is size-able. This could go either way which either results in 'no change' or gives Labour +1.
Headland and Harbour – The stench of the Doctor Pothouse episode still lingers like a trawlerman's glove. That said, an engineered split vote looks likely to give Labour a path to victory. 2 votes out of every 5 cast will be enough for Labour to hold the seat. No change here.
Jesmond Ward – Tricky one this. You got the fake elements of the real Labour Party trying to stop the Labour Party from winning. Concurrently, you've got the real Labour Party trying to defeat the mother-in-law of the council leader who is representing the fake Labour Party, in order to help the fake elements of the real Labour Party retain power. Still following? Again, there's a huge split vote in the making here and I anticipate even with all the confusion, the Labour candidate should take 2 votes out of every 5 cast and that should be enough. When the smoke clears, Labour hold it. No Change.
Manor House – Even with the skulduggery involved in this ward with Rudolph Barclay, there's a long standing rule that the residents of Owton Manor would elect a cushion an old woman had left in her backyard for cats to p**s on, if you pinned a red rosette to it. Labour hold. No change.
Rural West – Tory hold. No change.
Seaton Ward – Leisa Smith hold as Seaton voters once again show themselves to be the most politically astute voters in Hartlepool. No Change.
Victoria Ward – There was a chance to take this for someone other than Labour but I'd say that ship has sailed. The Independent Union have a candidate even Labour deemed to be a controversial choice when he stood for them in previous elections. I expect Labour to hold this and celebrate with a curry. No change.
When it all shakes down, i think Labour will come out of this with their 18 council seats in tact and may in fact increase it to 19.
Some of the opposition have been outmaneuvered before a vote has even been cast in my opinion.
The real fun then starts as the 4 or 5 'new' Labour councillors attempt to end the hapless reign of the SCABAL.
I think Loadsa Money could lose out to an Independent in Foggy......Hypocrisy leaves a long lasting taste in the publics mouth and his 31% increase in allowances vote was certainly the height of hypocrisy........I have a number of friends who live on the Fens, none of them have a good word for him.
A long shot for me is the Tory to lose in Rural West......Lots of voters in the ward have realised that the previous incumbent was focused on backing the SCABAL for whatever reason ?
When it comes to playing the much thumbed victimhood card, a sizeable percentage of the electorate play it too, as their blind devotion to Labour is based on long gone grievances of their forefathers, passed down through the generations. I can accept it in a way, but times have moved and I really don't class the current pantomime cast as a Labour Council.
If the present shower stood as independents, unopposed, they'd struggle to come second, but the Party system is a breeding ground for putting people into power who you'd need to be told to breathe in and out.
It really is a shame that people stop looking at the Party label and just take five minutes to look at the candidate. I suspect however some folk are so marinaded in their own political prejudices that actually voting logically comes second to political folklore.
This May's just a fringe event, to my mind. Now come 2020 with the boundary changes and the alleged departure of some of the current elite ....
Who's had election leaflets so far - and which party in which wards?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 08, 2019, 05: PM
Who's had election leaflets so far - and which party in which wards?
The Liberal leaflets are out.
Quote from: DRiddle on April 07, 2019, 01: PM
I personally think a 'no overall control' situation is a bridge too far for this particular election.
Currently we have 18 Labour, 7 independent Union, 5 independent and 3 Tory.
I see things panning out as follows:
Burn Valley – Ged Hall is likely to hold the seat. So basically 'no change' in the numbers.
De Bruce – Rob Cook will hold it, mainly due to lobotomized electorate in that area, rather than anything to do with his performance as a Councillor. So 'no change'.
Fens and Rossmere – I expect Slim Jim to hold this by around 150. In any other town he'd be finished politically after his grubby grab of the 31% rise. But this is Hartlepool, the split vote will save him. So still 'no change'.
Foggy Furze – Despite making the national tabloid press for asking a granny if he'd slept with her, despite 30 odd failed businesses, despite being banned from running a company for half a decade and despite having to be physically restrained by two senior council officers as he threatened to give me a clump, the pound shop godfather will hold this thanks to his mates lending their names to the ballot paper ensuring a very split vote. No change.
Hart Ward – This one will be close. Eileen Kendon is like Marmite on the Bishop Cuthbert estate and the collective anti-Labour vote firmly established on Hart Ward is size-able. This could go either way which either results in 'no change' or gives Labour +1.
Headland and Harbour – The stench of the Doctor Pothouse episode still lingers like a trawlerman's glove. That said, an engineered split vote looks likely to give Labour a path to victory. 2 votes out of every 5 cast will be enough for Labour to hold the seat. No change here.
Jesmond Ward – Tricky one this. You got the fake elements of the real Labour Party trying to stop the Labour Party from winning. Concurrently, you've got the real Labour Party trying to defeat the mother-in-law of the council leader who is representing the fake Labour Party, in order to help the fake elements of the real Labour Party retain power. Still following? Again, there's a huge split vote in the making here and I anticipate even with all the confusion, the Labour candidate should take 2 votes out of every 5 cast and that should be enough. When the smoke clears, Labour hold it. No Change.
Manor House – Even with the skulduggery involved in this ward with Rudolph Barclay, there's a long standing rule that the residents of Owton Manor would elect a cushion an old woman had left in her backyard for cats to p**s on, if you pinned a red rosette to it. Labour hold. No change.
Rural West – Tory hold. No change.
Seaton Ward – Leisa Smith hold as Seaton voters once again show themselves to be the most politically astute voters in Hartlepool. No Change.
Victoria Ward – There was a chance to take this for someone other than Labour but I'd say that ship has sailed. The Independent Union have a candidate even Labour deemed to be a controversial choice when he stood for them in previous elections. I expect Labour to hold this and celebrate with a curry. No change.
When it all shakes down, i think Labour will come out of this with their 18 council seats in tact and may in fact increase it to 19.
Some of the opposition have been outmaneuvered before a vote has even been cast in my opinion.
The real fun then starts as the 4 or 5 'new' Labour councillors attempt to end the hapless reign of the SCABAL.
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/.../notice_of_election... this has now been taken down i wonder why ? it gave you a look at who the agents were for each candidate i noticed sab was cranneys agent lewis akers belcher(cabs son ) was sandra belcher agent anyone screen shot it ?? i cannot think why the council website has taken it down
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 08, 2019, 05: PM
Who's had election leaflets so far - and which party in which wards?
I wonder if the family Loynes and Cranney's relatives will produce and distribute election leaflets......
I had a leaflet today off the Independent Union candidate.It says sorry we missed you but i sat and watched them push it through the letterbox.The candidate doesn't live in the ward and the leaflet was printed by a London firm.Tut tut.
Quote from: pensionater on April 10, 2019, 07: PM
I had a leaflet today off the Independent Union candidate.It says sorry we missed you but i sat and watched them push it through the letterbox.The candidate doesn't live in the ward and the leaflet was printed by a London firm.Tut tut.
Do you know everyone who lives in your ward? I never realised you could only canvass in the Ward you live in, you learn something every day. As if. I'll tell Barclay when he came canvassing last year and the years before that, because he doesn't live in or represent my ward. Double whammy.
Just out of interest, why didn't you go to the door and point it out to them, I can only assume you never really wanted to see them anyway.
Quote from: pensionater on April 10, 2019, 07: PM
I had a leaflet today off the Independent Union candidate.It says sorry we missed you but i sat and watched them push it through the letterbox.The candidate doesn't live in the ward and the leaflet was printed by a London firm.Tut tut.
At least its better than a Hartlepool Candidate (subsequently elected) who actually lives in
London!
I'm not buying this. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1038717826332552&id=982335555304113
Having been at the sharp end of helping to spread the message about the problem within the council (the SCABAL) for about 7 years, I think I'm a fair judge of things in and around HBC.
I see the tactics as being a concerted effort for independent candidates (proper ones) to win the winnable seats. There are definitely fake independents trying to help KC but the H.U genuinely believe they can advance their numbers within the council.
I don't doubt RMW is still scuttling around in the shadows, but I don't buy the alledged alliance.
This is the 'new labour' members spreading rumours trying to save Labours overall position in my view.
Have the clique morphed into a dynasty, a clan to whom which Party they belong to is utterly irrelevant. They appear to put the clan Mc Selfy above everything else in a world where Party lines are so blurred as to be pointless.
As their grip on power starts slipping through their grasping hands like talcum powder, it would appear the only option left is confusion. If you've made a massive mess you hope it turns foggy to hide the effects, but it never lasts long. Reinventing yourself as independents at this stage is an act of desperation.
Are we reaching terminal velocity on the 'glorious reign' of the 'Lord of the Flies Party'.
Looking back 18months to 2 years ago the Poisonous Pixies appeared on the Hartlepool Political scene, they adopted the tactics of bullying, vilification, physical threats and blatant lies, it reached the stage the police became involved.
Those involved were a collection of a***holes and egotists, as happens with such individuals they eventually turned on each other and a number of them began to use the long held beliefs and. arguments used by this forum to push their own agenda.
This fake news produced by Aye is a continuation of their disinformation campaign to futher local political ambitions, as David Riddle says, I don't buy it and neither will many others who take an interest in the local political situation.
Look no further than the propaganda shenanigans surrounding a London resident gaining a seat on the labour led council, lies and deceit were peddled by new and old labmob members to try and justify the party's actions.
This has got the Crackpot Compositor's inky fingers all over it.
Who writes for Hartlepool Aye? Anybody know?
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2019, 08: AM
Who writes for Hartlepool Aye? Anybody know?
Just look at the style .... and the layout of the Facebook page ... 8) 8) 'Tis an exercise on mischief. Totally incorrect. Maybe we should allow it the status of an 'Urban Myth'.
From this report it seems that canvassers in local elections are having a hard time.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-backlash-party-activists-fear-hostility-could-turn-sinister/ar-BBVRuMY
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2019, 08: AM
Who writes for Hartlepool Aye? Anybody know?
Someone myopic. They have completyely ignored the national news that reports a Hartlepool Labour worthy is under investigation for (among other things) antisemitism. In the current Labour Party you have to be pretty hard-core antisemitic to even get noticed.
Anyone would think this site has agenda and is not interested in 'truth'
This is what they are trying to hide:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-47807652
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/H3K4ug.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plH3K4ugj)
Some of the comments on this link are rather interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=407386399839957&id=239715396607059
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 12, 2019, 01: PM
Some of the comments on this link are rather interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=407386399839957&id=239715396607059
I note the alleged antisemite is bearding Fred on the Facebook page for linking the article about him being investigated and I presume drops a bit of insider-information on SABs ultimate fate. He says '
the fecker is getting kicked out of the Labour Party'
We will see, can we rely on the judgement of one who thought Katie Trueman was
'one of us' and going to help boot out CAB only for her to 'go native' in a matter of weeks and set a new record for the quickest de-selection of a sitting Councillor even though she got Jeremy Corbyn (Blessed be his name) himself to come to Hartlepool and stump for her!
This whole farcical escapade is beginning to get a little too confusing for me!
I don't wish to sound like a simpleton, but I'd really like to try and understand what exactly is going on....
I had my mind set on a vote (and still do),, however I'm very wary and cautious that I don't make a vote which will ultimately end up supporting the SCABAL in some way, which is truly my main concern. We need rid of this political virus ASAP....
From what I understand so far, candidates are being deliberately fielded in order to dilute the vote in an effort to strengthen the labour/SCABAL position??
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2019, 05: PM
This whole farcical escapade is beginning to get a little too confusing for me!
I don't wish to sound like a simpleton, but I'd really like to try and understand what exactly is going on....
I had my mind set on a vote (and still do),, however I'm very wary and cautious that I don't make a vote which will ultimately end up supporting the SCABAL in some way, which is truly my main concern. We need rid of this political virus ASAP....
From what I understand so far, candidates are being deliberately fielded in order to dilute the vote in an effort to strengthen the labour/SCABAL position??
Yes tend to agree with you,so if the clever lads and lasses tell us who the put up numpties are in the different wards are we will stay clear of them.
Talking of Katie (as I was) this is how seriously (or not) she takes her Council duties
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/town-hit-police-cutbacks-goes-16121435?fbclid=IwAR3pbs-rFAvGdgXiKxaOLn8VEaCi4UkgyqImKMZK-ULGF78aTIel54eM7Yw
A town hit hard by police cutbacks has seen none of its councillors attend a crime panel since February last year.
Hartlepool saw the closure of its custody suite on January 1 - with those arrested now taken to Middlesbrougfh. And a BBC investigation last year revealed there were no police officers in Hartlepool to respond to emergencies at one point on a Saturday night.
Yet the minutes of Cleveland Police and Crime Panel - the body which scrutinises the actions of the force and Police and Crime Commissioner Barry Coppinger - show no Hartlepool councillors have attended since Cllrs Dave Hunter and Jim Lindridge turned up in February 2018.
The panel has met five times since a Hartlepool member last appeared - in which time, former Chief Constable Mike Veale has departed and has been replaced by new chief Richard Lewis .
There were no Hartlepool councillors at Stockton Town Hall on Tuesday night to question Mr Lewis - nor were there any in attendance to offer their input for the call to give the Welshman the job.
Cleveland Police has seen its budget cut by almost £40m since 2010 with the loss of more than 500 police officers and PCSOs in the past nine years.
Hartlepool's custody suite was mothballed at the start of this year with those arrested brought to Middlesbrough to cut down on costs.
Labour councillors Katie Trueman and Lesley Hamilton are listed at the borough's representatives on the panel to keep tabs on the force.
Cllr Hamilton, member for the Victoria ward, has submitted apologies for meetings since July 2018.
Cllr Trueman last attended in January 2018.
But she told the Local Democracy Reporting Service she'd not been in good health in recent months.
And she added a clash of meetings on Tuesday evenings had also hampered how many councillors were able to attend.
Cllr Trueman said: "I've tried to get councillors to substitute before but some have busy schedules.
"We usually have a children's services meeting at 4pm on Tuesdays - to get to that to another meeting in another town is very difficult."
Cllr Trueman added she was not seeking a seat in local elections on May 2.
Crime panel meetings are held at 5pm.
Cllr Hamilton said the crime panel meeting clashed with her job in Durham meaning she was unable to get there in time.
She added: "In addition to this, I regularly attend a number of resident groups and meetings which I'm required to attend as a councillor for my ward which also clash with these meetings.
"I do receive the minutes from this meeting and see Barry quite regularly in Hartlepool.
"He is also an attendee of the various resident groups of which I am currently involved - I will generally contact Mr Coppinger with issues and concerns which are raised in the minutes or by constituents in the ward.
"We also have regular contact with our local PCSOs and other police colleagues who keep us up to date on the PCC."
Cllr Norma Stephenson, chairwoman of the crime panel, did not wish to comment on the attendance record.
Hartlepool Council leader Christopher Akers-Belcher has been contacted for comment.
Hartlepool Labour in action.......Why not resign from the committee if you have commitments that clash with the police authority meetings ?
Do they receive an allowance, and if so is it paid regardless of attendance. Are such meetings over the comprehension of these people?
We seem to be part of all manner of interconnected panels but are silent acquiescent doormats when we should be in their getting our voice heard. You never get your share of the cake if you sit there silent
Hit it in one IK.
The Police stopped paying allowances a year or so back. The Fire Brigade still do. MD made a fuss when Fire tried to reduce the number of Hartlepool Cllrs to two. Needless to say she was on the committee at the time. I think she still is.
There used to be competition for senior Labour bods to attend until the Police stopped paying. Now it's left to the also rans.
local elections are not going to be hard !! labour / conservative are both parasitic bottom feeders . bring back a new monkey it will clean up the votes ...
The pantomime continues. I'm told many of the Labour candidates who are trying to get elected to help bring down the SCABAL are putting out leaflets with literally zero labour branding on them. They actually slag off the current local Labour Party and at least one is carrying a picture of CAB with the word 'resign' on it. That's how far Akers-Belcher, Cranney and their ilk have dragged down the name of the Labour Party. Even Labours own candidates don't want Labour branding on their leaflets.
They can brand as much as they like, but the public will do some branding of their own and appear to have decided the 'Incapables' are the face of Labour.
It's a dysfunctional local Party where the clique jokingly in charge are more concerned with their own status than their Party. It's seemingly more and more that to them Labour is a flag of convenience. I suspect they could move lock stock and barrel to 'Smug on the Wold' in deepest Cotswold territory and happily be Councillors, but not necessarily in the Party you'd expect. Failing that there may be a vacancy for a new Vicar of Bray
(The Vicar of Bray was famous for his contortions of principle every time those on power changed to hold on to his position)
These Labour leaflets are the gift that keeps on giving. Ian Cawley (labours anti scab candidate for the headland) has apparently had his leaflet reported to the monitoring officer, borough solicitor and the police.
It has a picture of CAB in the bottom corner and then above it to the right is a picture of Ian, who is ex-army, in full camouflage gear holding a rifle.
Amongst the text are the words "I will do whatever needs to be done to see this through".
Seemingly, some snowflake in HBC is perceiving those words and the image of the gun as potential incitement. The word leaking out of committee room B is the police (presumably one of the ten still left patroling the streets) have paid Atkinson Print a visit.
Honest to God, you couldn't make this stuff up.
Oh and this leaflet was hitting the doormats of the headland on the same day those paratroopers made the national news for using pictures of Jeremy Corbyn as target practice.
Surley this is a matter for our armed forces champion to launch a defensive stratergy on! or maybe not.
Quote from: DRiddle on April 14, 2019, 05: PM
These Labour leaflets are the gift that keeps on giving. Ian Cawley (labours anti scab candidate for the headland) has apparently had his leaflet reported to the monitoring officer, borough solicitor and the police.
It has a picture of CAB in the bottom corner and then above it to the right is a picture of Ian, who is ex-army, in full camouflage gear holding a rifle.
Amongst the text are the words "I will do whatever needs to be done to see this through".
Seemingly, some snowflake in HBC is perceiving those words and the image of the gun as potential incitement. The word leaking out of committee room B is the police (presumably one of the ten still left patroling the streets) have paid Atkinson Print a visit.
Honest to God, you couldn't make this stuff up.
Oh and this leaflet was hitting the doormats of the headland on the same day those paratroopers made the national news for using pictures of Jeremy Corbyn as target practice.
Strange election leaflet, imagine the outcry if an Independent had produced a similar leaflet......
It has a picture of CAB in the bottom corner and then above it to the right is a picture of Ian, who is ex-army, in full camouflage gear holding a rifle.
Amongst the text are the words "I will do whatever needs to be done to see this through".Is this the same Ian Cawley that runs / manages the Burbank Community Centre ?......I have long wondered why councillors are so keen on involvement with publicly funded community organisations.
Quote from: fred c on April 14, 2019, 07: PM
Is this the same Ian Cawley that runs / manages the Burbank Community Centre ?......I have long wondered why councillors are so keen on involvement with publicly funded community organisations.
Cawley was one of a small select group (only 4 in total) who were members of the Corbyn Faction Troll Factory where they all took turns posting under the shared ID of 'Andy Simms'. This disgusting group posted vile obscene filth aimed at anyone who dared criticise Saintly Jeremy Corbyn (Blessed Be his Name). 3 of the 4 members of this group are all now core members of the 'new' Labour Faction trying to remove CAB.
Paddy Brown, Ian Cawley and Danny McGovern can be seen here in a screen grab made just before they all panicked and deleted their membership. They smile and act reasonable to your face but its a mask, Cross them and their politics and they will soon show their darker side.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/dfECUA.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/podfECUAj)
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,4580.msg48248/topicseen.html#msg48248
The screenshots are stored on cloud.
Quote from: admin on April 14, 2019, 09: PM
The screenshots are stored on cloud.
History has a habit of coming back and biting you in the ass.......There are those amongst the new labour supporters who would have us believe they were totally unaware of the behaviour of the Corbyn Pixies who are in truth no different to the SCABAL.
What does it say about the HCLP when those responsible for the lies and abuse are now elected officers of the party, Hartlepool labour are reaping what they have sown the reluctance to have the Labour Banner all over the election leaflets is testament to that.
Is the Socialist Labour Party a recognised and legit party?
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on April 16, 2019, 11: PM
Is the Socialist Labour Party a recognised and legit party?
Yes, lead I understand by a certain Arthur Scargill. Did Barclay always have an interest in this Party or did he pick it out as a substitute political teet after being deselected? It does have for him the benefit the word 'Labour' in it for him.
Just a thought, but if some more Labour Party members were deselected or voted out, would they climb aboard the Socialist Labour ship as well. Some of these people are so addicted to being in charge and all the trappings that goes with it, that without out it they'd be unemployable nobody's. 'A drowning man will grasp at anything and anyone to survive'.
looks like hart ward doomed to have kendon as their councillor with the LabCon pact in place and sadly only 2 names in place on the ballot paper.
Signs about the Labour connection in the door drop election pledges leaflet kept extremely minimal just quotes from facebook group friends about integrity and honesty blah blah.
If this is a rerun of 6 months ago for another vacant councillor Does this still mean another election needed or is Jean Robinson still in post somehow?
If this is a tactic then it's not designed to help Eileen Kendon. Or if it is it's a stupid tactic. My guess here is the not so hidden hand who still controls the local conservatives has pulled their usual Tory Hart candidate to help the SCABs.
There are anywhere between 200-400 Tory voters on Hart Ward and my guess would be that without a Tory candidate their votes are more likely to go independent than they are to Labour.
Eileen Kendon is reportedly one of the keys to tipping the numbers AWAY from the SCABS.
Her winning Hart is far from certain. She's already contested it twice and lost both times including once when she offered to do it for FREE just seven months ago.
That time she got 582 votes against the Independent lad who got 637. There were 200 Conservative votes that day along with 27 Green Party Votes.
The 227 votes are the key to winning this. Do 200 Tory voters suddenly vote for a Labour candidate under the 'leadership' of Akers-Belcher at local level and Corbyn nationally?
Personally i think not. She still might win but i very much doubt this is a pact designed to get her elected. Quite the opposite in fact.
I agree with David completely on this. Eileens tireless work in the community is commendable and appreciated however I still expect James Brewers majority to increase this time round.
James and Tom not being invited to the residents group meetings would also have an impact although perhaps not a significant one.
If Eileen is determined to become a Councillor she should consider standing as an Independent, probably romp home, and be able to carry on her community work with a financial benefit attached. Surely 2 failed attempts should be telling her that red is not her colour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_tees (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_tees)
9.02-9.03am
SAB laying the foundations for if/when he parts ways with the group. Plank.
So who are the stooges in each ward to take some of the votes away from the good guys or gals, I know in the foggy furze ward Connor stallard is because cranny and him follow each other on Instagram.
"So who are the stooges in each ward to take some of the votes away from the good guys or gals, I know in the foggy furze ward Connor stallard is because cranny and him follow each other on Instagram"
I know Lee Cartwright standing for VAPP is the genuine article and he is getting my vote, I think Loynes and Wildeberg allegedly could both be a bit suspect I repeat ALLEGEDLY.
Quote from: DRiddle on April 17, 2019, 12: PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_tees (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_tees)
9.02-9.03am
SAB laying the foundations for if/when he parts ways with the group. Plank.
It is at
13:02 for me. The 'clock countdown' is in minutes only, no seconds so no precise start for the babbling turnip.
Good to know the suspension is a:
'weight off my shoulder(sic) because, ye naw I have been very unhappy in the Labour Party for a long time now because of the inaction of the Party.....................Why don't you just leave then?.........Thats an option isn't it? I often ask myself why, why, why am I in The Labour Party and can you, can you better fight outside The Labour Party because it seems no one is actually doing anyfink............'Oh dear, now who is going to pay for all the cruises, Botox treatment, hair transplants and gastric bands?
looking back to my early working years I wonder if I would have been better off being a 'Grass Cutter' it obviously had its downsides, all the bending down and getting stains off your clothes and in wet weather you could end up ankle deep in mud.......On balance being a plumber probably ment I dealt with less crap..
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Quote from: DRiddle on April 17, 2019, 12: PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_tees (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_tees)
9.02-9.03am
SAB laying the foundations for if/when he parts ways with the group. Plank.
It is at 13:02 for me. The 'clock countdown' is in minutes only, no seconds so no precise start for the babbling turnip.
Good to know the suspension is a:
'weight off my shoulder(sic) because, ye naw I have been very unhappy in the Labour Party for a long time now because of the inaction of the Party.....................Why don't you just leave then?.........Thats an option isn't it? I often ask myself why, why, why am I in The Labour Party and can you, can you better fight outside The Labour Party because it seems no one is actually doing anyfink............'
Oh dear, now who is going to pay for all the cruises, Botox treatment, hair transplants and gastric bands?
Looks like they are playing parts of a larger interview, you can still listen to the 13:02 on live but have to go into the schedule and back to the morning show to hear the 9:02/9:03 news item which is different to the 13:02 one.
Either way, do we have the full interview to look forward to on Look North tonight?
Quote from: Call Me Al on April 17, 2019, 10: AM
I agree with David completely on this. Eileens tireless work in the community is commendable ......
If Eileen is determined to become a Councillor she should consider standing as an Independent, probably romp home, and be able to carry on her community work
But she chose to align herself with a Party and Party's demands always come first.
The exact opposite of independent.
All labour candidates say the same thing.........but when it comes down to it, It's Party every time.
I never fail to marvel at people who fail to realise that their Party Councillor's loyalty is to their Party first, second and third, when it should be to the voters.
Usual suspects doing the usual.............
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=370298703576926&id=159119108028221&__tn__=-R
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Usual suspects doing the usual.............
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=370298703576926&id=159119108028221&__tn__=-R
Kissing dogs and patting babies' heads? ...
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 17, 2019, 09: PM
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Usual suspects doing the usual.............
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=370298703576926&id=159119108028221&__tn__=-R
Kissing dogs and patting babies' heads? ...
I thought it was a ad for a new series called 'Welcome to 'Artlepool - The Real Royston Vasey.'
I thought it was a trailer for a remake of the A Team.
Basically, has beens and never will be's featuring a strange mix of the aesthetically challenged. Like the old programme, it's well past it's sell by date, looking the worse for wear and appeals to the non deep thinkers end of the Spectrum. It's time is up, but sadly they try to keep the format alive to keep the money rolling in, for now.
first time in 20 years and im not voting . foggy furze ward has got nothing to offer but the same old bollocks ...year after after year after year .....
I live in Foggy Furze but I'll hold my nose and vote for the least worse option. The status quo is not acceptable and nothing is changed by despair.
I'm pleased I at least have a viable option in my ward. I think I would also be unlikely to vote if I was in foggy furze....
The only election pamphlet I've received is for 'Joe Larkin' under the independent banner, but seems ok by reports I've had, so probably give him a go.
If Cranney's only opponent was a turnip I'd go for the vegetable option every time.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 18, 2019, 04: PM
The only election pamphlet I've received is for 'Joe Larkin' under the independent banner, but seems ok by reports I've had, so probably give him a go.
If Cranney's only opponent was a turnip I'd go for the vegetable option every time.
Yes me also and I'm going with him, maybe we all should to get rid of the a-------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6mJw50OdZ4
As Mr Blackadder said, "A victory for stupidity over common sense".
It may indeed be a very funny comedy sketch, but in our case it seems more
like a documentary of events. I suspect a few of our 'characters' would dovetail seamlessly into the programme.
A 'rotten borough' indeed.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 18, 2019, 04: PM
The only election pamphlet I've received is for 'Joe Larkin' under the independent banner, but seems ok by reports I've had, so probably give him a go.
If Cranney's only opponent was a turnip I'd go for the vegetable option every time.
Me too! It does frustrate me that the real independents and others still play into Labour's hands though. Why can't they get their act together and unite against them?
It also frustrates me how usually around 200 people vote for a fake Tory every single time in Foggy Furze. It's just a Loynes instead of a Wells these days though ::)
The only election material I've had is from Joe Larkin and Lee Cartwright. It looks like Joe is associated with John Lauderdale and Ged Hall. A friend of mine had a chat to him when he was doing the rounds and canvassing for support and said that he does seem like a decent bloke who seems genuine about the area.
He'll probably get my vote though I'm not 100% decided yet.
Unfortunately it won't make any difference. Too many people still blindly vote red around here.
Loadsamoney I dont need it!! Leaflet arrived today, the "Labour" tag is all but omitted, mentioned inside were Jim claims "I worked with the Labour party to ensure that the Fens & Rossmere communities weren't broken apart into wards with other areas at the opposite end of the town" What utter rubbish, Jim , are you suggesting to the electorate that you took the lead on this? By the lead, voting on an issue, the documentation of which you had not read, like others who were deliberatley not given sufficient time to peruse prior to voting. Was is not the case that this boundry issue was brought more dynamically to the electorate by the chair of the Fens Residence Association, the Labour party trying to rush it through before it could be closer looked at. Elections are closing in, time will tell if people have forgotten such acts or not.
I've been kind of hoping loadsamoney is going to knock on my door at some point.... I'd thoroughly enjoy a conversation with him.
As yet, I have received nothing
I did notice the omission of the Labour tag on Loadsamoney's leaflet when I saw it yesterday, as well as the slightly darker red that covered the majority of it.
In contrast, I received Cranney's leaflet today with the Labour tag and his ugly mug all over it (7 pictures on A5 double sided is a tad excessive). Didn't bother reading it as it went straight in the recycling.
The games people play eh. I'm sensing a little more than normal in this year's local elections. Although I'm quite enjoying the in fighting within the red ranks ;D
Quote from: Foggy on April 23, 2019, 04: PM
In contrast, I received Cranney's leaflet today with the Labour tag and his ugly mug all over it (7 pictures on A5 double sided is a tad excessive). Didn't bother reading it as it went straight in the recycling.
You can't recycle it, it's now classed as polluted with all them pics of him on it. I hope you didn't touch it, it's like plutonium and you don't want to get it on your clothes either.
Quote from: Foggy on April 19, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 18, 2019, 04: PM
It also frustrates me how usually around 200 people vote for a fake Tory every single time in Foggy Furze. It's just a Loynes instead of a Wells these days though ::)
The so called Tory's are a joke. It appears their only purpose is to act as distractions. Is it a Party or a dynasty?
As for the independents getting together, with so may of them, you have to ask who's the independent and who's not?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 23, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: Foggy on April 19, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 18, 2019, 04: PM
It also frustrates me how usually around 200 people vote for a fake Tory every single time in Foggy Furze. It's just a Loynes instead of a Wells these days though ::)
The so called Tory's are a joke. It appears their only purpose is to act as distractions. Is it a Party or a dynasty?
As for the independents getting together, with so may of them, you have to ask who's the independent and who's not?
....and that is exactly why did it - splits the Independent vote - I believe they did it with Ann Marshall
The Corbyn Pixies are trying so hard to promote there opposition to the SCABAL, unfortunately for them they have a habit of making t***s of themselves.
Ron Watts the labour candidate for the Manor Ward dropped his leaflet through the door this morning, as well as the usual Pixie Propaganda...we are reclaiming labour in Hartlepool, we are going to concentrate on ward matters, we looking to adopt the Hartlepool Model.............
There are a number of photgraphs but 1 really stood out, a group photo of 3 rows of supporters, in the centre of the middle row was Carl Richardson (former chairman of the council) in the middle of the back row was the (until recently) the Chairman of the HCLP........
I have to ask myself, if the feel the need to get shot of the SCABAL now.......
Why has it taken the 2 most powerful labour members in Hartlepool so many years to revolt.....Why didn't they suspend SAB for lying through his pearly whites or making spurious claims of the mistreatment of vulnerable adults.?
Why wasn't Cranney suspended for making sexually charged misogynistic and abusive comments to a grandmother. ?
Both are complicit in how Hartlepool Labour have governed the town in the last decade, are we now expected to believe they have always been anti SCABAL or have they both travelled the road to Damascus ?
This doesn't wash. They've stood silent like bystanders for years, quite happy to be busy doing nothing while what I consider the worst leadership in my memory romped around the corridors of power. They're like a group booking swimming lessons now the ship is sinking.
This is part of the problem. The whole outfit wants flushing and starting again.
totally agree IK the lot are nothing short of a shower(add ending as appropriate)
Just got Connor stallard bull***t through the door,he is one of crannys followers on Instagram,so he's a stooge,one of his 4 policies is to in his words. If I become a councillor on May 2nd,the money I get given as a ward councillor will be put back into the local community. 😂😂😂
Dependent Independents are the new version of the 'Save the Hospital' candidates who were once quite popular with a handful appearing in each ward when needed.
They all came out to play with a variation on the same theme which served no other purpose than to scatter votes to the wind. So who benefitted from , now let me guess?
Stand by your bunks people.
Quote from: DRiddle on May 02, 2019, 11: PM
Stand by your bunks people.
We are David.....sheets folded properly (hospital corners), rifle cleaned, heads cleaned, just awaiting inspection!
I'm hearing Labour have lost some of their real stronghold seats. Akers-Belcher will point to the national picture and a Brexit backlash against the national parties and blah blah blah. He'll convince himself he hasn't destroyed the reputation of the local Labour Party in Hartlepool.
He HAS.
Just like we all KNEW he would.
Headland and Harbour has gone to the Hartlepool Union. Exorcising the ghost of Doctor Pothole.
Quote from: DRiddle on May 03, 2019, 12: AM
Headland and Harbour has gone to the Hartlepool Union. Exercising the ghost of Doctor Pothole.
Good news.
UKIP have taken Manor House. Well done Barclay, you've helped Labour lose one of the safest council seats in England.
Quote from: DRiddle on May 03, 2019, 12: AM
UKIP have taken Manor House. Well done Barclay, you've helped Labour lose one of the safest council seats in England.
Well done Alan....have a drink on me!
Cranney out, David Riddle? Did Cartwright win? (Sorry - knocked a post out in error).
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 03, 2019, 12: AM
Cranney out, David Riddle? Did Cartwright win? (Sorry - knocked a post out in error).
Looks like it according to James Black on FB. I never thought I'd see the day!!! ;D ;D ;D
Yes he lost. I think Labour might finish the night with just 12 or 13 councillors out of the 33.
My reckoning is they'll end the night on 13 no overall control, with only 5 or 6 of the 13 being firm SCAB supporters.
I would pay good money to be a fly on the SCAB's wall now, wonder if Botox Bart is having a "Hotel meltdown"