The programme's due to be broadcast tonight at nine on C4. Despite the Radio Times choosing it as one of their daily choices, this Sky News write up isn't exactly flattering.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/im-forced-to-catch-rabbits-just-to-eat-reality-of-life-on-universal-credit/ar-BBTuAJZ?ocid=spartandhp
I know the family in the programme well,they all find money for cigarettes I have no sympathy for them Nathan and his girlfriend are young and should be able to work
And ???? Who are you or I to judge?
They should be able to work but are they too far removed from that part of society to do so.
If they lived on a nice street surrounded by clean living working class people they would have aspired to be the same.
Just how far they have been let down by society and how much is down to themselves is probably a grey area.
I have worked in some posh and not so posh areas.
In the posh area I noticed the school kids all rushed out at lunch and bought healthy sandwiches and fruit. It would have stood out a mile if any had gone to Greggs.
The opposite in the poor areas.
Not changed since my time when it was out to the chippy or a pie from the butchers.
How plants grow depends on what soil they are put in.
As a child where we lived none of us had much of anything, we lived on a council estate but apart from one who has never worked since leaving school, all made a good life for themselves. I know some of the kids had crap upbringings but all wanted better for themselves despite useless parents, yet despite their poor parenting, succeeded. We can't keep excusing some people for a lack of motivation.
We tend to forget most people in this town have a good life and think the entire town is one big social ghetto, it isn't.
It's a normal town with pockets of social deprivation, like most towns across the country.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2019, 06: AM
We tend to forget most people in this town have a good life and think the entire town is one big social ghetto, it isn't.
It's a normal town with pockets of social deprivation, like most towns across the country.
That's possibly the most sensible thing posted on this site in a long time :)
Quote from: Mr H on February 14, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2019, 06: AM
We tend to forget most people in this town have a good life and think the entire town is one big social ghetto, it isn't.
It's a normal town with pockets of social deprivation, like most towns across the country.
That's possibly the most sensible thing posted on this site in a long time :)
In your opinion........ in my opinion your comment is bollox
I stand by my comments.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2019, 03: PM
I stand by my comments.
Apologies IK.....I totally agree with your comment.... My comment was aimed the comment by Mr H
"That's possibly the most sensible thing posted on this site in a long time" :)
Quite how sensible and the length of time he means by his statement is in my opinion total Bollox
Just say it as it is fred don't beat about the bush ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: fred c on February 14, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2019, 03: PM
I stand by my comments.
Apologies IK.....I totally agree with your comment.... My comment was aimed the comment by Mr H
"That's possibly the most sensible thing posted on this site in a long time" :)
Quite how sensible and the length of time he means by his statement is in my opinion total Bollox
I must admit, I was a bit puzzled. ;D
Quote from: John dory on February 14, 2019, 06: PM
Just say it as it is fred don't beat about the bush ;D ;D ;D
I always strive to be diplomatic..... ::)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2019, 06: AM
We tend to forget most people in this town have a good life and think the entire town is one big social ghetto, it isn't.
It's a normal town with pockets of social deprivation, like most towns across the country.
No. It has a lot more 'deprivation' than the average. This is not something new. West Hartlepool was a boom town 1860s-1890s but was in decline by the 1920s. High unemployment has been a staple for not far short of 100 years.
That is why it is dishonest for politicians and their enablers to suggest that they have instant solutions to our problems. If nothing happened when we had the PMs right-hand man representing us then the likes of Wright/Hill have no chance. Even if their was a solution it will take a generation to
start turning things around. That is is not defeatism but just facing up to the magnitude of the problem.
Even if every vacancy in the town was filled we would still be left with higher than average unemployment. All the carping about scroungers is pointless. There will never be enough local jobs for the population of Hartlepool because we have more people that the town can support. The best solution would have been to let the town shrink when the boom changed to bust but that ship (managed decline) has long sailed so we are left with managing the problem rather than solving it.
That may well be the case...possibly, but we can't just carry on accepting that state of affairs. As a town we are politically stagnant. The same tired Party has bumbled along since the 1960's and we've went from bumbling to stumbling under the present shower. I don't even have a problem with the Labour Party as such, it's those educated beyond their own comprehension holding us back now.
The problems you highlight are prevalent throughout the North East but some people are prepared to tackle them, we are in the grip of Parish Pump hacks who are just swanning along.
Oscar Wilde said 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars', maybe that's my problem, but I'll carry on looking up.
If they lived on a nice street surrounded by clean living working class people they would have aspired to be the same.
my ass all the likes of them do is try to bring the street down to their level
i live in a street like that do you ???
Had that experience when someone was renting, you can only be so tolerant.
If the principle of bringing people into nice areas for them to aspire to their neighbours worked, the streets off Oxford Road would be a garden village. A nice little area trashed over the past 20 years. They move in, the residents move out before they can't sell.
It is known in the civic that Chris the leader asker's. Is livid about the programme.....
Quote from: Veritas on February 16, 2019, 12: PM
It is known in the civic that Chris the leader asker's. Is livid about the programme.....
Well he knows how we feel about his 'leadership' then! Only more so.
Quote from: Veritas on February 16, 2019, 12: PM
It is known in the civic that Chris the leader asker's. Is livid about the programme.....
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For me that is further evidence of just how out of touch he is with the people of the town, he isn't "livid" for them, he is livid because it reflects very much on his perception of Hartlepool.
Couldn't we have stopped the programme being made? Couldn't the Council have said no to the production company?
Quote from: Veritas on February 16, 2019, 12: PM
It is known in the civic that Chris the leader asker's. Is livid about the programme.....
Like most of the Labour Councillors he makes sure he does not live amongst the great unwashed. They might see Manor as their Heartland but it sure 'aint a place many of them want to live.
That said all the 'problem tenants' have been blacklisted by all the big housing associations so they are now concentrated in the old terraced areas of the town. Private Landlords don't care what they do to their neighbours and if truth be told neither do the Council.
Quote from: fred c on February 14, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: Mr H on February 14, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 14, 2019, 06: AM
We tend to forget most people in this town have a good life and think the entire town is one big social ghetto, it isn't.
It's a normal town with pockets of social deprivation, like most towns across the country.
That's possibly the most sensible thing posted on this site in a long time :)
In your opinion........ in my opinion your comment is bollox
Everyone is entitled an opinion even when it's wrong ;)
The general narrative of this page is to find fault even when there is non to find, it was just nice to see someone not being a dark cloud for once.
The town isn't as bad as this page would have everyone believe, yes it has its deprived areas but also plenty of affluent Areas as well
The council on the other hand ....... >:(
This forum/site isn't here to just whinge and moan, it's here to try and hold people to account, to identify wrong doing, ills and morally wrong behaviour in elected officials and town representatives because there are no other forums or channels for this behaviour to be publicly disclosed. It's what ombudsman's and local newspapers should be doing, where it's not factually accurate is usually disclosed and the thread is closed
Quote from: crisstw on February 16, 2019, 09: PM
This forum/site isn't here to just whinge and moan, it's here to try and hold people to account, to identify wrong doing, ills and morally wrong behaviour in elected officials and town representatives because there are no other forums or channels for this behaviour to be publicly disclosed. It's what ombudsman's and local newspapers should be doing, where it's not factually accurate is usually disclosed and the thread is closed
Well said & thank you for your understanding of our ethos.
The general narrative of this forum is and always has been to shine a light into the dark corners of local governance and those who administer it.
Pointing out what has transpired locally isn't whingeing, it is merely pointing out to a wider audience the lack of morals, integrity, honesty, transparency and accountability shown by those who are in positions were those those very qualities should be most apparent.
Quote from: Mr H on February 16, 2019, 08: PM
The general narrative of this page is to find fault even when there is non to find, it was just nice to see someone not being a dark cloud for once.
The town isn't as bad as this page would have everyone believe, yes it has its deprived areas but also plenty of affluent Areas as well
The Sun is running with the recent show and I would not be surprised if the Daily Mail gets in on the act.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8434196/skint-britain-woman-beater-stole-pregnant-ex/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550319440
'Paddy the can man' is the town spokesman and all those interviewed/quoted are connected so I am fairly certain one member of a local family set it all up for the Sun.
Oh dear ... not a good combination.
You get the the weary, tired feeling the whole profgramme was being used as a sensationalised way of making a point dwelling on every negative aspect of the town.
These programmes stigmatise the majority of people in the town while these attention seekers enjoy their minute of fame. You can spend millions doing the town up but if the national media is churning out this stuff we're wasting our time.
Retired bricklayer? What on, Hadrian's wall? I only know him as a contributor to traffic congestion with that barrow full of god knows what blocking th3 road.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 17, 2019, 07: AM
Retired bricklayer? What on, Hadrian's wall? I only know him as a contributor to traffic congestion with that barrow full of god knows what blocking th3 road.
Hartlepool's own Eco Warrior. The man can recycle anything-provide he can carry it on his cycle!. He is often
paid by a Landlord to move into their property. He looks after the place and he knows a lot of 'good' tenants so persuades them to move in as well. Landlords really are keen on getting him into one of their houses.
I am still trying to work out who stole Nathan's horse.......................
Quote from: mk1 on February 17, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 17, 2019, 07: AM
Retired bricklayer? What on, Hadrian's wall? I only know him as a contributor to traffic congestion with that barrow full of god knows what blocking th3 road.
Hartlepool's own Eco Warrior. The man can recycle anything-provide he can carry it on his cycle!. He is often paid by a Landlord to move into their property. He looks after the place and he knows a lot of 'good' tenants so persuades them to move in as well. Landlords really are keen on getting him into one of their houses. and we all know who the landlord is
I am still trying to work out who stole Nathan's horse.......................
and we all know who the landlord is