The SCABs have seen off the Corbynites. All the promises came to nothing. The people just do not believe them. They have completely failed yet again. Tom, Anth & Pixie Bratt are not quite as clever as they keep telling us they are. They are being trounced by a group who would struggle to reach a double-digit collective IQ. Oh (dear) Jeremy Corbyn................
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This is the crack team that delivered victory for James Brewer in Hart Ward.
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You knew the Corbynite was doomed when you saw who was backing her:
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See here the strategy of smearing HIG by everyone taking time out from chanting the manta 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' so they can post the same lie over-and-over again on local forums. Samples from the soon-to-be-deleted page of the unsuccessful Corbynite Candidate:
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I seen brash outside the polling station with a handful of labour leaflets. Seeing him reminded me I need to vote HIG formally ukip :)
I've kept pretty quiet during the campaign and just watched things pan out. I knew it would be close, it always is in Hart expect during a general election year.
But the other day I saw the HIG leaflet they put out and thought to myself "there's 3 words on there that might just sneak them home".
The 3 words were "Christopher Akers-Belchers candidate . . ."
It said "Christoper Akers-Belcher's candidate Aileen Kendon . . ." And then talked about some issues to do with meetings at the residents association and blah blah blah.
The reputation of the Hartlepool Labour group is on the floor. Even with the ward boundary changes only a general election coinciding with a local vote will save Hartlepool labour from losing control of HBC . . . IF him and the Scab cronies are still involved.
I know literally hundreds of life long labour voters who are absolutely point blank 100% refusing to vote Labour at local level while the SCABS, Cranney and Mad dog are anywhere near the civic centre.
Potentially good Labour candidates are losing their seats by association.
It'll keep happening so long as the scabs are involved.
Congratulations to James Brewer. The young man worked extremely hard in this short campaign and doorsteped as much as possible in such a large ward.
The general theme on the doorstep was that people did not believe [small n] new labour was the answer and that they were confident that bullying tactics will not be accepted and endorsed by the average voter.
The trouble with Labourd in Hartlepool?
1. Captain Toxic and his crew.
2. The Party really do believe they have the divine right to assume Hartlepool is there's to rule in sublime perpetuity till the end of time.
3. A once proud party ( who my gran dragged me around the doors polling for many years ago) is losing it's relevance to the working man/woman of this town, mainly because they've lost touch and more concerned with politics in theory than in practice.
The killer blow.....
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So next year Labour will have to defend SEVEN of the 11 wards. 3 of those are mammy belchers warm but soon to be ex-seat in Jesmond, loadsamoney lindridge in fens and rossmere and Dr Pothole in Headland and Harbour. In the other 4 they're defending they could put up a monkey that's been strategically shaved and still win (as has been proven on the Manor House Ward).
The 3 I mentioned though, are VERY winnable and the indy's only really need to focus hard on those 3 and defend their stronger one or two.
Can Akers-Belcher do the unthinkable? Can he reduce a labour council in a North Eastern heartland, bang smack in the middle of ten yes of Tory austerity to a minority rule situation?
Yes. Yes he can.
Quote from: DRiddle on October 12, 2018, 06: AM
Can Akers-Belcher do the unthinkable? Can he reduce a labour council in a North Eastern heartland, bang smack in the middle of ten yes of Tory austerity to a minority rule situation?
Yes. Yes he can.
It takes a special kind of leadership to achieve such an outcome.
Hart has just been identified for landfill, parking meters and demolition of the village hall for housing. ...I hope that is a joke !!!
Quote from: mk1 on October 12, 2018, 01: AM
See here the strategy of smearing HIG by everyone taking time out from chanting the manta 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' so they can post the same lie over-and-over again on local forums. Samples from the soon-to-be-deleted page of the unsuccessful Corbynite Candidate:
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If throwing the UKIP accusation at the HIG is the best Anth, Cook, Pixie Bratt, Brass et al can manage they really are out of touch.
They would have had more chance of success if they had looked into the LabTor governance of Hartlepool under the SCABAL, the behaviour of some councillors was nothing short of disgraceful.
You can't sweep away years of pointless profligacy self serving and greed by attacking councillors who are behaving like 'local councillors'
Unfortunately, can't mock them for saying voting independent is effectively voting UKIP as it is true when some candidates and even subsequent councillors have put themselves forward as UKIP in previous elections. They are politically minded but deny it to get voted in and onto the expenses bandwagon..
A. National party politics should not apply to local elections.
B. UKIP's virtually dead.
The Labour Party need to call a vote of no confidence in the SCABS or its the end for them in the next elections
Could yesterday's result indicate that it's a bit too late for that?
Quote from: pieface on October 12, 2018, 01: PM
Unfortunately, can't mock them for saying voting independent is effectively voting UKIP as it is true when some candidates and even subsequent councillors have put themselves forward as UKIP in previous elections. They are politically minded but deny it to get voted in and onto the expenses bandwagon..
Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion 'pieface'......I know lots of people who have always voted labour and would do so again 'IF' the Corbyn Pixies get rid of the SCABS, I also know traditional Tory voters who left the party because of it's connection with labour.
Can't quite compute that the defeat in Hart means that the SCABAL have seen off the Corbynistas. The candidate up there, along with her crack team of operatives, made great play of her opposition to the current council. It looks more like a rejection of both incarnations of Labour and a welcome move towards local whip-less political power.
Personally I think the Corbynites are about 2 years too late - they have sat by and watched the SCABS go off the rails with Carpetgate, The Tin Shed, 30% allowance increase, denying public scrutiny and questioning, Seaton Parking, Tip Charging etc.
After Dave Riddle didn't stand again and Hart remained Independent only then did they start panicking, but that's just reactive politics which is no use to the people of Hartlepool. Let's face it they only reacted when they saw the Labour Vote sliding NOT when they were witnessing CAB dismantling the Town's democratic process and costing us a load of money in the process.
As Dave Riddle has already said, in 2019, there are 3 Labour seats destined to go Independent which will reduce the Labours Seats to 15 with 15 Independents and 3 Tory - Maybe this is why CAB is up for an award as he has achieved the unthinkable right in the middle of Tory austerity.
What we need is an Independent Council in power to bring the Dynamic Duo to account as we all know that a Labour Council would simply bury it as they head South to Brighton - maybe they are going to do the same to the Green Party starting by swapping the Royal Sussex Hospital for a big bus then we know what happens after that
Very neatly summed up jeffh.......I couldn't disagree with a single word. :)
I'm afraid the much heralded change is looking more like a very gradual change and just more of the same old story choreographed to look like a new dawn. Ah well.
I think also the Labour team in Hart shot themselves in the foot somewhat by publicising the apparent link between the Hartlepool Independent Group (HIG) and UKIP. There are/were around 10,000 UKIP voters in Hartlepool and there were more than 18,000 people in Hartlepool who voted to leave the EU. Granted not all Brexit voters vote UKIP, but obviously all UKIP voters voted Brexit. I'm no fan of UKIP and any long term reader of this forum knows that. But if I was trying to get elected in Hartlepool the last thing I'd do would be to openly alienate myself from a large proportion of voters. 70% of the Hartlepool electorate seemingly disliked the EU enough to vote leave, and yet Labour in Hart put a lot of emphasis on painting the HIG candidate as a ukipper. That tactic may actually have GAINED the HIG candidate votes.
The Comrades were in full 'Madelson is a slime ball' mood last week when Brash stepped in to defend his mate.
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I am afraid Brash is deluding himself if he believes his sentiments:
'Hearing and engaging with arguments and people with which/whom we do not agree is integral to strengthening our own beliefs and ideas.
Simplifying things down to black/white, good/bad, new/old is just a way of shutting down that debate. '
Let's have some nuance in discussion and believe the best in people.
have any place in a Party that routinely labels every Tory as a 'Cnut' and is actively purging anyone who is not 100% totally supportive of the Great Leader Jeremy and his every utterance.
What has possessed Brash to return like unwanted indigestion?
Is he lining himself up to fill the Gucci slippers of the allegedly Brighton bound ?
Quote from: mk1 on October 12, 2018, 10: PM
The Comrades were in full 'Madelson is a slime ball' mood last week when Brash stepped in to defend his mate.
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I am afraid Brash is deluding himself if he believes his sentiments:
'Hearing and engaging with arguments and people with which/whom we do not agree is integral to strengthening our own beliefs and ideas.
Simplifying things down to black/white, good/bad, new/old is just a way of shutting down that debate. '
Let's have some nuance in discussion and believe the best in people.
have any place in a Party that routinely labels every Tory as a 'Cnut' and is actively purging anyone who is not 100% totally supportive of the Great Leader Jeremy and his every utterance.
Reading those exchanges shows that nothing really changes. The same old belief from the kids that they've found the way to political perfection and why has no one spotted it before now, aren't we clever delusion. Then there's the crusty gibbering of the old guard, the sort who get excited over a night printing election leaflets, arguing over their cherished vision of the toad to a social paradise, completely unaware their touch with reality is tenuous to say the least.
They're all addicts to 'inspiring visions' and we all know visions are eithout substance.
They'll change nothing, zealots never do, and their dithering predecessors are world class at mediocrity in achieving nothing in office. Daydream believers.
I'd love to have a listen to Carl explain what he thinks WOULD be to way forward. In terms of the political or economic model he thinks the country should move toward, I'm all ears Carl.
Likewise with Anth Frain. If neoliberalism has failed, what IS the answer? (I'm not saying I'm a fan on neoliberalism Anth, I'm not, but what's the answer?).
The beast that is 'capitalism' is a very VERY big global beast now. Re-nationalising a few train lines or whatever will be like a small fly buzzing around the ar** end of a cow. The cow will barely notice.
If there's some sort of 'grand plan' to save Hartlepool by localised protectionism or to create an isolated far left utopia, let's hear the plan.
Over to you Carl. What have you got?
Do we build a replica of the Granma yatch and sail down South smoking cigars to meet up with some like minded comrades?
Apparently Aileen Kendon has been effectively told she can 'pick any seat she wants' for Labour 2019 or 2020. Impressed by her campaign and spirit etc. the forces working from within to change the Labour group want her on board. It'll be an interesting test of her principles to see which one she picks. Does she fight the one she lives in and where she's heavily involved in a residents association or does she opt to stand in a safer more winnable one such as Manor or De Bruce? Having been challenged myself on the 'only stand in the ward you live in' comment, she's put herself in an interesting predicament.
Her election literature flagged up she lived in the ward and the HIG candidate didn't. Does she try to win Hart for a THIRD time or jump across to a safer target? To lose Hart twice back to back so quickly suggests the safer option is to jump.
Quote from: DRiddle on October 13, 2018, 09: AM
Apparently Aileen Kendon has been effectively told she can 'pick any seat she wants' for Labour 2019 or 2020. Impressed by her campaign and spirit etc. the forces working from within to change the Labour group want her on board. It'll be an interesting test of her principles to see which one she picks. Does she fight the one she lives in and where she's heavily involved in a residents association or does she opt to stand in a safer more winnable one such as Manor or De Bruce? Having been challenged myself on the 'only stand in the ward you live in' comment, she's put herself in an interesting predicament.
Her election literature flagged up she lived in the ward and the HIG candidate didn't. Does she try to win Hart for a THIRD time or jump across to a safer target? To lose Hart twice back to back so quickly suggests the safer option is to jump.
If she jumps she can stay as Secretary of the Bishop Cuthbert Residents' Association - or if she contests and wins Hart will she, in true HBC fashion, change the rules so she can stay for the better good?
Suspect she'll follow Ms. Marshall's example - keep trying till you find a ward that'll have you.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 13, 2018, 10: AM
Suspect she'll follow Ms. Marshall's example - keep trying till you find a ward that'll have you.
Perhaps she can replace Barclay or Sandra. Then that ward will be in line for the special Labour initiative where a ward with a prospective Labour Candidate has in effect a '4th Councillor' with all the access to the levers of power formerly only in the gift of an elected Councillor.
"I just don't think you need to be so personal. Nobody is Perfect.Nobody is the Devil. Balanced assessments are the most constructive"
Jonathan James Frederick Brash.
I have to say I completely agree with council leader to be Brash......Hopefully he can get that point of view across to some of his new found Corbyn muckers, if he requires examples of their behaviour contrary to his position stated above.....I feel sure there are a plethora of FB screenshots that show the moral calibre of his new comrades.
Quote from: DRiddle on October 13, 2018, 09: AM
Apparently Aileen Kendon has been effectively told she can 'pick any seat she wants' for Labour 2019 or 2020. Impressed by her campaign and spirit etc. the forces working from within to change the Labour group want her on board. It'll be an interesting test of her principles to see which one she picks. Does she fight the one she lives in and where she's heavily involved in a residents association or does she opt to stand in a safer more winnable one such as Manor or De Bruce? Having been challenged myself on the 'only stand in the ward you live in' comment, she's put herself in an interesting predicament.
Her election literature flagged up she lived in the ward and the HIG candidate didn't. Does she try to win Hart for a THIRD time or jump across to a safer target? To lose Hart twice back to back so quickly suggests the safer option is to jump.
If that's the case, we have one 'elite' replacing another 'elite' ( I use the word 'elite' in it's loosest sense). Everything changes and everything stays the same, but hey, they're party minions and the party always comes first, second and third.
HART PARISH COUNCIL OBJECTS
http://eforms.hartlepool.gov.uk:7777/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=109825
http://edrms.hartlepool.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/12967310.pdf
Reference number Site location Proposed development
H/2015/0528 LAND AT QUARRY FARM PHASE 2
ELWICK ROAD
HARTLEPOOL
TS26 0LH
Outline planning permission for up to 220 residential dwellings with associated access, all other matters reserved
Hart Parish Council: Hart Parish Council are opposed to this development.
It is evident that individual developers have little interest in proper development
which includes a thoughtful and necessary introduction of road infrastructure and
adequate sources of school places.
One narrow exit for 220 houses onto an already busy estate with a pitiful resort to
emergency outlets at the rear of the proposed development onto a narrow lane
(Worset Lane).
This equates to at least 440 additional vehicles which require commuter access to
Hartlepool, north and south to areas as far as Teesside and Tyneside. Access to the
A19 would obviously be a further concern for the residents of Elwick for southern
journeys and the shortest route to the A19 north would be along Naisbury Lane onto
the A179 which is already at an unacceptable level at peak times.
School places on the west side of Hartlepool are already at a premium and in the
opinion of Hart PC would require road journeys towards the centre and beyond to
find accommodation, which again brings unwelcome travel into focus.
In view of the current plethora of planning applications there should be in place a
requirement on the part of all potential developers to subscribe towards substantial
improvements to the road network and educational establishments.
2
nd objection received
The Hart Parish Council opposes this application on the grounds that there is no
indication that the developers are prepared to enhance the infrastructure.
Time and again we are asked to comment on unwieldy developments with no
thought given to the routes that the additional traffic generated will take. This
proposal is outside the bounds of Hart Parish Council but will undoubtedly impact on
the road system around Hart by virtue of it being yet again a commuter based
residential estate, adding to the already numerous commuters travelling to areas
from Tyne to Tees. The present road system is unsustainable.
It is not acceptable to find Worset Lane being proposed for emergency exits. How
long before these are breached and a very narrow and truly country lane is
inundated with illegal traffic.
The traffic problems already faced in Elwick Village and on the roads around Hart
Village must be given serious consideration. It is really a case of the sins of the
father being cast upon the children and the consequences if not dealt with in real
time will bring untold problems in the foreseeable future. We are concerned for the
probable use of the lanes which give access to the A179. From this area the route
around the north of Elwick leading to the A19 is an essential. Our understanding
that the reconstruction of the northern junction to Elwick has been put in abeyance
on the reasoning that the fatal accident rate has not been met. Are volunteers being
sought to redress the situation.
It is time for the Planning Committee and the Planning Office to grasp the nettle and
take account of the number of applications which are flying in under the loss of the
Local Plan.
Apart from the added residential cars added to the equation no account seems to be
taken of the number of delivery vehicles which subsequently daily ply residential
estates and find difficulty in negotiating the narrow estate roads littered with
pavement parked car and vans.
Further response
There is great concern about the impact on the infrastructure, especially roads and
waste water/sewage. Councillors felt that the current road infrastructure is already
struggling to cope with the volume of traffic – particularly Hart Lane and the A179; a
further 200+ residences are likely to lead to upward of a further 3-400 vehicles
every day needing to use these road. Planning permission should be dependent on
the road infrastructure being improved.
The Post's editorial on the by election. http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/news/242/Governance/October-15-2018/Hart-Ward-By-Election