I have only been a member of this forum for a couple of weeks, but have read it for a couple of months before joining.
There seems to be opinion from a few posters that if you vote Labour then it is solely because your father did and his father etc but there's never any time given to the possibility that people may actually agree with their policies and they way they implement them in the town.
Why do people always suggest that people are stupid or sheep for voting Labour? Given the consistently high amount of votes they've received over the last few decades surely there is something more to their success?
Full disclosure, this post comes from someone who last voted for the Labour party back in 1997 when Blair promised the world and delivered nothing (although there was an occasion where I may have voted for a Labour candidate in the council elections a few years later, I can't fully remember).
Quote from: Sunken Ships on May 02, 2012, 08: PM
Why do people always suggest that people are stupid or sheep for voting Labour? Given the consistently high amount of votes they've received over the last few decades surely there is something more to their success?
There are University research departments working on that one and there's still no sign of a breakthrough as to why.
A woman on the Central Estate complained to me about the lousy bus service she now has. I asked her who she voted for last time - Labour.
The bus subsidy which was recently removed by the Labour dominated Council she voted for was £300,000 , less than half the Connected Care contract awarded to Manor Residents offshoot Who Cares NE. That organisation is run by a Labour Councillor who let her own dog starve to death and another Labour Councillor who was once described by the Department of Trade and Industry as being so incompetent as a Director that they took court action to have him banned from holding any Directorship for any company for five years.
Amongst other services they offer, is to allow unvetted people into people's houses to pick up prescriptions which are then picked up and delivered. This is the same service offered entirely free by just about every Pharmacy in town.
So I asked her who she intended voting for this time - Labour.
I guess some people just don't get it.
SteveL
What a shame the old lady was not for turning.
With regard to the Connected Care Contract your facts are wrong - The two amounts are approximately the same as the contract is for 2 years.
Also I think it would be fair to point out that the contract is paid in arrears so is based on meeting targets and achieving outcomes.
Duhhh, Labour !
Quote from: Straight Talking on May 03, 2012, 02: PM
SteveL
What a shame the old lady was not for turning.
With regard to the Connected Care Contract your facts are wrong - The two amounts are approximately the same as the contract is for 2 years.
Also I think it would be fair to point out that the contract is paid in arrears so is based on meeting targets and achieving outcomes.
She wasn't old - why did you assume that?
And the reason that the Connected Care contract is paid in arrears is that the Council Officers didn't like the fact that it didn't go out to tender and know exactly what Manor Residents is all about.
One of the more useful things to come out of attending the count last night was the number of labour councillors having quiet words with me and generally encouraging us to see the Manor Residents thing through.
I could sum it up like this: "It's about time those four f*c*ers were sorted out before they bring the whole Labour group down with them.
I hear you're now trying to kick Brash out because he's gone after the Commissioners job - soon there'll only be the four of you left - and a few sheep in the pen, of course.
It is not doing anything talking about concerns on here.
People who have concerns should do the right thing and report them.
Then it will all come out in the wash as if concerns are replicated through a number of complainents, they will have no choice but to thoroughly investigate.
If only one or two people complain, they will be picked off individually.
Word of caution though: It may be that the community group/Member/Officer/resident is innocent. So it might be that the investigations show that the comments are not warranted and I am sure that apologies should not be missed out.
No matter what, I know what it is like to see false information about me on here, so can people consider that it might be better to investigate first?
Christine, I know your heart is in the right place but ...........
But....your heads in a shed!!
Ah Steve, I am just noting that sometimes we have to consider that it might be hype. We need to ask the right questions and face to face.
You're right my heart is in the right place, as I don't think it is right to slate on this site and then to let it carry on regardless in actual terms. I don't think it does HTH any good either!
When you ask a sitting Councillor face-to-face if you could discuss something with her and her immediate response is 'talk to my solicitor' would you say that person has something to hide?
The allegations are serious so I am sure someone would jump if confronted without any warning.
This kind of thing should really be discussed privately.
Why privately, that's my money, they have it and I don't have any, so I want to know how my money is being spent by them.
The problem Christine is you have gotten too close to your food.
Personal connection is blinding you to the reality behind the smile and all the glad-handing.
You need to keep your distance from a politician. They have perfected the art of nodding attentively and saying they understand/can help you and then forgetting all about you when they see the next opportunity for self enrichment.
I am sure Angie is a very caring person but I am equally sure she cares more about her own clan than anything else. She has perfected the art of distributing crumbs to the masses. Whilst the simpering admirers scrabble about dividing up the 10% she gives away her close intimates engorge themselves on the remaining 90%.
I am sure close scrutiny of the contracts awarded by her organisation would throw up more examples of friends getting fat on our money.
You should put aside any notion that you are a friend. You are being played and you do not get that far up the greasy pole without being able to fake sincerity.
What a good post and there is a leason there for all of us.
There is nothing friendly about this.
I appreciate the take of others, I just thought it was better to ask questions of those you see concerns with, by getting in touch with them, rather than coming on HTH and complaining.
Has those who want to know where money has gone etc, been in touch with those they are concerned about. They may read HTH but I don't think you are going to get answers that way?
No one at the Council is going to lift a finger on this one.
The risk is too great. This group seem to have total control of the Party and can kick out anyone who dares challenge them. The rest of the Labour group cower and hope someone else does the dirty work for them. There is no career prospects for anyone who takes them on and loses.
Labour has been hijacked by a mob of chancers who's only aim is to set themselves up for life before they are found out. They hope the pile they make before the inevitable downfall will see them into old age.
The SCABs are well on the way. One of them is a professional victim. Always on the look out for ways to claim compo for every slight-imagined or otherwise-whilst the other hawks himself around to anyone looking for influence on planning matters.
You're right, Christine. So before we publish anything, let's approach the lady and ask if we can discuss it.....and then let's allow ourselves to be told that an elected Councillor doesn't want to talk about how she's spent taxpayers money on providing salaries for her family and friends and to talk to her solicitor instead.
Just thought I would post this gem............
Brain Teaser: How do they keep their trousers up?
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