https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/donation_to_rift_house_youth_pro
Last summer I contacted the Charity Commission on this subject, the reply I received was...."I can find no record of the Rifty Project being a charity.......Big Fibber Beck stopped calling it a charity after complaints to the then Borough Solicitor were made about its charitable status.
Not sure if the £10k from BFB has been recorded somewhere or other, if an organisation has an income over £5k it should be registered as a charity.....according to the CC chap.
As with most things connected to HBC community premises, it's almost impossible to obtain information.
This was Steve trying to find out when SAB applied for the £5000 'grant' he got when he was being asked to rubber-stamp the closure of our A&E. Fact is SAB asked for a 'Grant' and he got it in record time. He then signed off the closure of the A&E. Steve tried to find out how long a normal grant took to come through but they fobbed him off saying they did not keep that sort of information. It was SAB selling our A&E in order to get his grubby mitts on £5000. The man who lied about why he was sacked and lied about the reason he could not attend his appeal over his sacking says he did not lie about selling out our A&E.
I can't recall any community centre being used to house what appears to be a private business , namely a cafe before.
How did this happen ?
Did they apply to use the facility?
Were they approached or invited to use it and by whom?
Or did they just walk in and commandeer the place?
How much do they pay for the use of the facility?
Who approved the use of the facility for the 'project'?
I put a FOI request into HSBC to find out how much HSBC is funding the Rifty Youth Project after I found out that the accounts of several other charities were obscenely late being submitted to the Charities Comission, I haven't heard anything back since. Me thinks some bottoms will be whimpering if it comes out to light that the "charity" may have gone over its 5k lack of reporting threshold many times over!
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 13, 2018, 04: PM
I can't recall any community centre being used to house what appears to be a private business , namely a cafe before.
How did this happen ?
Did they apply to use the facility?
Were they approached or invited to use it and by whom?
Or did they just walk in and commandeer the place?
How much do they pay for the use of the facility?
Who approved the use of the facility for the 'project'?
We are more likely to discover life on Mars than we are to get answers to your questions about the Masefield Centre / Rifty Project.......There were problems in relation to Manor Residents financial probity, how long did it take before the powers that be actually took action against Wilcox
Quote from: angryjim on August 13, 2018, 05: PM
I put a FOI request into HSBC to find out how much HSBC is funding the Rifty Youth Project after I found out that the accounts of several other charities were obscenely late being submitted to the Charities Comission, I haven't heard anything back since. Me thinks some bottoms will be whimpering if it comes out to light that the "charity" may have gone over its 5k lack of reporting threshold many times over! (I found out that the accounts of several other charities were obscenely late being submitted to the Charities Comission,) yes i too have noticed that the belle vue community centre is very late also http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1099395&subid=0
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends72/0000519172_AC_20170331_E_C.PDF why is ofca still down at jutland road IT HAS NOT BEEN OPEN FOR 8 MONTHS
Come on Mr Acker-Bilk we all know that you read this forum so just answer the questions
Quote from: fred c on August 13, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 13, 2018, 04: PM
I can't recall any community centre being used to house what appears to be a private business , namely a cafe before.
How did this happen ?
Did they apply to use the facility?
Were they approached or invited to use it and by whom?
Or did they just walk in and commandeer the place?
How much do they pay for the use of the facility?
Who approved the use of the facility for the 'project'?
We are more likely to discover life on Mars than we are to get answers to your questions about the Masefield Centre / Rifty Project.......There were problems in relation to Manor Residents financial probity, how long did it take before the powers that be actually took action against Wilcox
We have to keep picking away and asking questions regardless of them answering or not. Ask a question and other people start questioning as well.
If we pick away at the wall long enough the daylight might start to shine through.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 13, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: fred c on August 13, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 13, 2018, 04: PM
I can't recall any community centre being used to house what appears to be a private business , namely a cafe before.
How did this happen ?
Did they apply to use the facility?
Were they approached or invited to use it and by whom?
Or did they just walk in and commandeer the place?
How much do they pay for the use of the facility?
Who approved the use of the facility for the 'project'?
We are more likely to discover life on Mars than we are to get answers to your questions about the Masefield Centre / Rifty Project.......There were problems in relation to Manor Residents financial probity, how long did it take before the powers that be actually took action against Wilcox
We have to keep picking away and asking questions regardless of them answering or not. Ask a question and other people start questioning as well.
If we pick away at the wall long enough the daylight might start to shine through.
very true we all had a go at trying to get info on the caff in the crem
Maybe the way things are going with the SCABs relationship with the Labour Party and their probable fall from grace, maybe information may be more forthcoming about this and possibly Health Watch.
It wouldn't surprise me, but expect the normal service to be resumed when the revolution is over.
I'd like to think otherwise, but the cynic in me won't let me.
There's a video somewhere of me calling him out on it in full council. I said something like he "signed the death warrant on the hospital". I remember a comedy pause as he processed what I'd said and when the penny dropped he lost his head and shouted for me to sit down. ;D
I remember RMW leaping to his defence and shouting "Why did you say it then?" After I'd claimed I was being metaphorical or something.
Good times. In the fullness of time he'll be remembered as the man who swapped the hospital for a clapped out Johnny bus and the bloke who helped lose his husband control of the council in exchange for a Nissan.
Keep an eye out if you ever see him walking to market with a prize winning cow.
Quote from: DRiddle on August 14, 2018, 08: PM
There's a video somewhere of me calling him out on it in full council. I said something like he "signed the death warrant on the hospital". I remember a comedy pause as he processed what I'd said and when the penny dropped he lost his head and shouted for me to sit down.
That is the video where SAB bangs his gavel like a jack-hammer, jumps up and down like a demernted jack-in-the box whilst sweating like a pig. He is covered in perspiration and every time he struggled to his feet all around him got a sprinkling of his body-fliuds.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/qsXFs9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnqsXFs9j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/wJWK66.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnwJWK66j)
;D ;D look at the kisser on it ;D ;D
Check out the mayoral chain in the photo's and in the last pic it looks like the chain has had enough and is trying to pull him down!
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 15, 2018, 12: PM
Check out the mayoral chain in the photo's and in the last pic it looks like the chain has had enough and is trying to pull him down!
Wonder if the medals were intended to act as counter balances?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 15, 2018, 12: PM
Check out the mayoral chain in the photo's and in the last pic it looks like the chain has had enough and is trying to pull him down!
It has been pinned at each side because otherwise it would just hang straight down. Remember that this clown actually damaged the chain and it had to be sent for specialist repair. The bugger probably sat on it!
Pinned ? Do you reckon his mits have a piece of string connecting them.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 15, 2018, 07: PM
Pinned ? Do you reckon his mits have a piece of string connecting them.
na that's :D his ears :D
Ok, get the gist of the angst, but, lets keep it in perspective and not sink the levels we have become accustomed too. Lets keep it constructive and to the point. We are blessed on the forum that we have a number of level headed educated people with an abundance of credible knowledge. Lets not succumb to any form of sucker upper cut from the more dubious natured. Keep safe and well all.
Does the Rifty Cafe employ staff or is it run by volunteers?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 20, 2018, 05: PM
Does the Rifty Cafe employ staff or is it run by volunteers?
Probably employ a manager
They must have a good chef to cook the books
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 20, 2018, 07: PM
They must have a good chef to cook the books
This is a serious allegation. Do you have concrete proof of this? If so, you should contact the police. Having said that, this time we'll assume that this is just an attempt on a play on words. Admin.
I'm hearing of more awkward questions being asked about our favorite 'charitable organisation' from within their own ranks. Things might very well come to a conclusion of sorts on Friday.
Tick tock, tick tock . . .
From the Post's Facebook page: 'Oh look .. Paul Beck is now an official Patron of the Shifty Rifty project!'
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 26, 2018, 10: AM
From the Post's Facebook page: 'Oh look .. Paul Beck is now an official Patron of the Shifty Rifty project!'
Patron - Someone who gives financial support to an organisation - the Hart Ward budget could be in jeopardy
No doubt as soon as the manure hits the aircon he'll deny any involvement with Rifty - and by the way neither did SAB
Quote from: jeffh on August 20, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 20, 2018, 05: PM
Does the Rifty Cafe employ staff or is it run by volunteers?
Probably employ a manager
IT IS RAN BY VOLUNTEERS BUT SAB IS MANAGER
Quote from: jawsbbc on August 26, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: jeffh on August 20, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 20, 2018, 05: PM
Does the Rifty Cafe employ staff or is it run by volunteers?
Probably employ a manager
IT IS RAN BY VOLUNTEERS BUT SAB IS MANAGER
What exactly does it do? Is it a glorified youth club? If so, why on earth does it need a manager? Answers on a postcard, please ... :-\
Quote from: jawsbbc on August 26, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: jeffh on August 20, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on August 20, 2018, 05: PM
Does the Rifty Cafe employ staff or is it run by volunteers?
Probably employ a manager
IT IS RAN BY VOLUNTEERS BUT SAB IS MANAGER
I'd imagine a 'manager' would be paid ?
How many other ward budgets are being used to top up the Rifty project / charity?
He is £16k a year.....
Not a bad wage for someone who is supposed to be only a volunteer l might see if they need any more volunteers
I'm sure Fred C's figure of 16K for overseeing the rifty scam is spot-on, and it set me wondering about all the other 100% tax payer funded streams of loot that are flowing into The Palace of Westbrook and feathering the nest for a couple who in a normal universe would appear to be virtually unemployable beyond things such as Grade 1 Benefits Clerk, or Short Order Cook.
Oozing it's way into the household coffers is:-
- Health Watch Manager salary
- Basic councillor allowance (x2; +31%; +2%)
- Chair of committee allowances
- Other allowances from sitting on various authority bodies
- Benefits in kind eg exclusive use of HBC's 1st class rail tkts for jaunts to bright lights
- Generous expenses
Would anyone more in the know care to have a stab at sharing a complete list of income streams and a guesstimate at the total of OUR MONEY that ends up in their rather large ar** pockets?
Quote from: fred c on August 26, 2018, 12: PM
He is £16k a year.....
In that business and that size of establishment, that wage would be for a full time 'manager' permanently on 'site' I'd imagine.
Dependent that is on the 'managers' experience of the cullinatry arts and experience in the running of a kitchen, which in this case is what exactly?
Qualifications?
I assume if you pay a manager a wage, the rent, the utilities, service costs, general upkeep of equipment and stock it must be quite a busy place?
Of course, having no labour costs is a massive plus to any business.
It is impossible to understand the mindset of the volunteer workers. The SCABs make sure they pay themselves an obscene wedge whilst conning vulnerable people into doing all the work for nowt. The SCABs then boast about 'working in the Voluntary Sector' when in fact they never volunteer for anything unless they get a hefty wage.
Think back to Manor Residents. For at least a year before the fall this site exposed the exploitation of the staff and for their pains those very same staff were all over Facebook saying it was all lies and portraying Angie as a Saint. A text-book example of the Stockholm Syndrome in action.
Quote from: mk1 on August 26, 2018, 05: PM
It is impossible to understand the mindset of the volunteer workers. The SCABs make sure they pay themselves an obscene wedge whilst conning vulnerable people into doing all the work for nowt.
Stockholm Syndrome indeed. A cross between the Stepford wives and religion.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why, it usually requires a charimatic leader. Puzzling.
Hit the Nail on the Head..mk1
Quote from: IKDependent that is on the 'managers' experience of the cullinatry arts and experience in the running of a kitchen, which in this case is what exactly?
none
Quote from: IK
Qualifications?
see above
Quote from: IK
I assume if you pay a manager a wage, the rent, the utilities, service costs, general upkeep of equipment and stock it must be quite a busy place?
rent will be popcorns as will the utilities
what happened to all the catering equipment from the caff in the crem?
Quote from: IK
Of course, having no labour costs is a massive plus to any business.
or a massive con to line the belchers pockets off the back of the gullible
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
You should put your money where your mouth is and stand yourself someone once advised me. Oops it was you. So why not try it .... unless of course you already have.
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
As a 'Newbie' you could be forgiven for your statement, however this forum has been asking pertinent questions of our council and councillors for around 15 years, to attempt to belittle the users of The Post is pointless, we have been abused on an industrial scale.
Despite it being almost impossible to gather information from HBC and even more so from councillors, The Post has had some success in exposing what goes on and has gone on for years.
Obtuse and false answers, blatant lies and mis-information, pink papering and a refusal to answer FOI requests have been a stock in trade for our council, a Peer Review Group advised HBC to become more Open, Transparent and Accountable, unfortunately that didn't happen.
In recent time years the ruling LabTor Mob have changed the towns Constitution on numerous occasions to suit there own ends, they stopped verbal public questions, restricted the time councillors had to ask and debate questions, they have in effect subverted the democratic process.
You should spend a couple of hours of your time a take a browse through the history of posts on the forum....you may learn something.
The late Steve Latimer and many others asked question after question after question relating to concerns within HBC. Without him the MRA scandal would in all likelihood never have been exposed. Don't believe the spin that came from HBC that the police involvement was of HBCs own doing. That may be technically true but it wouldn't have occurred without the light being shone on it by Steve and others.
I've asked questions in full council about MRA, about WCNE, about whether HBC is confident they'll never be another MRA and what safe guards they've since but in place to prevent one.
Others have asked to see the 'books' relating to Mayrol fundraising and where specifically the 10s, 100s of thousands of pounds went.
What you get in terms of an answer is largely so vague as to be useless or no answer at all.
I know for a stone wall FACT that the current CEO was made aware that some organisations can very easily committ fraud using a very crude but effective method of having a 'legitimate' organisation in reciept of public funds, and a shell/front organisation which carries the same initials as the 'legitimate' organisations.
This a cheque could be made out to the initials of company (a ) and yet paid into the bank of company (b ).
Obviously no specific allegations were made of any organisations locally who may have set up such a potential porous financial situation.
The CEO was merely made aware that the tactic outlined above is a very common, very crude way to launder money and committ fraud.
So in response to your point, very overt trails of bread crumbs have been left but there is seemingly no will within HBC to follow then.
At least not until such a time that the damage has already been well and truly done, as was the case with MRA.
What annoys people like those who use this site the most is that the attitude from within HBC was always "If you've got some evidence of wrong doing go to the police". I've been told words to that effect by 2 CEOS and an ex-elected mayor.
My view is it's not the responsibility of plumbers, teachers, computer technicians and members of the public to PROVE public money IS being inappropriately used. It's the job of HBC to ENSURE it ISN'T.
And such a task is one they've been shown to fail dismally at over the years.
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
whats to say im not a councillor at present ?
Quote from: fred c on August 27, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
As a 'Newbie' you could be forgiven for your statement, however this forum has been asking pertinent questions of our council and councillors for around 15 years, to attempt to belittle the users of The Post is pointless, we have been abused on an industrial scale.
Despite it being almost impossible to gather information from HBC and even more so from councillors, The Post has had some success in exposing what goes on and has gone on for years.
Obtuse and false answers, blatant lies and mis-information, pink papering and a refusal to answer FOI requests have been a stock in trade for our council, a Peer Review Group advised HBC to become more Open, Transparent and Accountable, unfortunately that didn't happen.
In recent time years the ruling LabTor Mob have changed the towns Constitution on numerous occasions to suit there own ends, they stopped verbal public questions, restricted the time councillors had to ask and debate questions, they have in effect subverted the democratic process.
You should spend a couple of hours of your time a take a browse through the history of posts on the forum....you may learn something.
Maybe one night when I can't sleep I'll read through past posts I'm sure I'll soon nod off
An example...2 LabMob councillors set up a CIC company, the company was awarded £680,000 on the say so of another LabMob councillor.....12 months later the company was awarded another £200,000 plus, not long after that, 1of the councillors went to jail for her mis- management of MRA.
Quote from: DRiddle on August 27, 2018, 11: AM
This a cheque could be made out to the initials of company (a ) and yet paid into the bank of company (b ).
By some completely unrelated coincidence that is what Kevin Cranney did with 2 of his companies. I am sure if he had been informed that this could be a problem and would cast doubt on his otherwise unblemished integrity he would have immediately changed the initials of one of the organisations.
Why did no one warn him of his unitentional mistake?
Quote from: fred c on August 27, 2018, 03: PM
, 1of the councillors went to jail for her mis- management of MRA.
Not before she was given a few months in office to destroy all the books and sell all her assets off at rock-bottom prices to fellow Councillors running their own Firms. Come judgement day their is no record of where all the money went so corrupt councillor is convicted of a few token crimes whilst the thick end of £500,000 simply vanished.
I am sure the councillors who allowed her the extra time to
hide all the evidence sort out the finances had absolutely no idea she would destroy the books. Why should you be suspicious of a woman who employs all her family on huge wages and then said family start flooding Facebook with photos of their 5th Caribbean Holiday in 12 months or posting selfies of themselves hanging out the window of a brand new Range Rover flashing their latest Rolex at the peons?
I mean its not as if they were obviously living beyond their means.......................
Something stinks and its not coming from the landfill sites !! its coming from the rifty ......
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
whats to say im not a councillor at present ?
Questioning yourself is not a good sign.
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
whats to say im not a councillor at present ?
This is all getting a bit "Harry" and unlikely to end well.
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 27, 2018, 08: AM
They have gotten away with it for so long because no one would ask these questions and they also thought everyone else was stupid and wouldn't see through their misdemeaners
whats to say im not a councillor at present ?
More likely a former Compositor....
::)
Quote from: Hubris on August 26, 2018, 01: PM
I'm sure Fred C's figure of 16K for overseeing the rifty scam is spot-on, and it set me wondering about all the other 100% tax payer funded streams of loot that are flowing into The Palace of Westbrook and feathering the nest for a couple who in a normal universe would appear to be virtually unemployable beyond things such as Grade 1 Benefits Clerk, or Short Order Cook.
Oozing it's way into the household coffers is:-
- Health Watch Manager salary
- Basic councillor allowance (x2; +31%; +2%)
- Chair of committee allowances
- Other allowances from sitting on various authority bodies
- Benefits in kind eg exclusive use of HBC's 1st class rail tkts for jaunts to bright lights
- Generous expenses ............................................ see freedom of info
Dear Hartlepool Council,
1. I would appreciate the following information about My Cafe, located
inthe Masefield Road Community Centre, Masefield Road Hartlepool.
2. Does HBC have any connection with the My Place Cafe? HBC own the
property and have agreed terms for a licence with Rifty Youth Project to
occupy part of the Rift House Community Building.
3. Does HBC have any financial connections with My Place Cafe? Non apart
from the ensuring compliance of the Licencee to fulfil their obligations
to pay for the operational costs in relation to the terms of the
agreement.
4. Does Councillor Steven Akers Belcher have any connection with My Place
Cafe? Yes
5. If so in what capacity is he involved with My Place Cafe ? Food
Business Operator
6. Is he in receipt of a salary from My Place Cafe ?
For the purposes of section 1 of the Freedom of Information
Act this information is not held by the Council.
7. Who is responsible for the payment of utility bills, Gas, Electric,
Water, for My Place Cafe ? The occupier
8. Is My Place Cafe operating as a stand alone business outwith the
Masefield Road Community Centres normal community centre functions ?
For the purposes of section 1 of the Freedom of Information
Act this information is not held by the Council.
9. Do all of the staff who work in My Place cafe have the relevant
certificates, ie. Food Hygiene Qualifications etc etc Staff have
undertaken food hygiene training commensurate with their work activities.
Would anyone more in the know care to have a stab at sharing a complete list of income streams and a guesstimate at the total of OUR MONEY that ends up in their rather large ar** pockets?
food business operators? ;D ;D ;D ;D
What are the legal responsibilities of food handlers and food business operators?
What is a food business operator?
1. Article 3 of Regulation (EC) No 178/2002 defines ",,food business operator‟ as the natural or legal persons responsible for ensuring that the requirements of food law are met within the food business under their control".
Regulation 178/2002 provisions
We outline the key provisions for food business operators laid down in Regulation 178/2002 that apply to food business operators
Safety
Article 14 states that food shall not be placed on the market if it is unsafe. Food is deemed to be unsafe if it is:
injurious to health
unfit for human consumption
The article also indicates what factors need to be considered when determining whether food is injurious to health or unfit.
Presentation
Article 16 states that labelling, advertising and presentation, including the setting in which the food is displayed, of food shall not mislead consumers.
Traceability
Article 18 requires food business operators to keep records of the following:
food
food substances
food-producing animals supplied to their business
businesses to which their products have been supplied.
In each case, the information shall be made available to competent authorities on demand.
Anybody know if the cafe has been inspected and rated by HBC's Public Protection departed?
How many stars?
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on August 28, 2018, 01: PM
Anybody know if the cafe has been inspected and rated by HBC's Public Protection departed?
How many stars?
5 stars believe it or not
https://www.facebook.com/mycafeHartlepool/photos/a.1945746969043399/2116363511981743/?type=3&theater
My Cafe
20 August at 10:35 ·
We hire our cafe and main hall out for private functions, charity nights, family gatherings and children's parties. Call in and speak to Stephen or Lewis for more details.
https://www.facebook.com/mycafeHartlepool/photos/pcb.2195358720748888/2195358674082226/?type=3&theater
Quote from: fred c on August 13, 2018, 03: PM
Last summer I contacted the Charity Commission on this subject, the reply I received was...."I can find no record of the Rifty Project being a charity.......Big Fibber Beck stopped calling it a charity after complaints to the then Borough Solicitor were made about its charitable status.
Not sure if the £10k from BFB has been recorded somewhere or other, if an organisation has an income over £5k it should be registered as a charity.....according to the CC chap.
As with most things connected to HBC community premises, it's almost impossible to obtain information.
............. found this very interesting that paul beck donated 10,306 to the rifty
TWO worthy causes in the town have each received over £10,000 each after benefiting from the Mayor's fundraising appeal.
Councillor Paul Beck, the Mayor of Hartlepool chose Macmillan Cancer Support and The Rifty Youth Project as his nominated causes during his year in civic office, which comes to an end tomorrow (Thursday 24 May).
Representatives from the two organisations met up with the Mayor and Mayoress Mary Beck – Councillor Stephen Akers-Belcher on behalf of the Rifty Youth Project and Derek Redman from Macmillan – in the Mayor's Parlour earlier this week to each receive £10,306 each.
A further £700 raised at the Mayor's recent Civic Dinner was paid directly to Macmillan Cancer Support via bank transfer, lifting the total amount raised to over £21,000.
Councillor Beck and Mrs Beck later visited the Rifty Youth project to speak to volunteers, children and young people involved and see how the money raised may be used.
Money was raised following a wide range of events during the last 12 months including a civic dinner, teddy bear tombola, car boot sales and coffee mornings.
The Mayor of Hartlepool said: "I would like to thank everyone for all the help and support in raising so much money for two very worthy causes.
"These causes are both very close to my heart and I know that the money raised will be put to excellent use here in Hartlepool, helping many of the town's residents."
Councillor Stephen Akers-Belcher commented: "We're truly grateful to the Mayor and Mayoress of Hartlepool for supporting The Rifty Youth project through their year of fundraising.
"To raise this staggering amount is a phenomenal achievement. We are so grateful that we have decided to make Paul and Mary Honorary Patrons of the Rifty in recognition of their support for the project."
https://neconnected.co.uk/mayor-raises-over-21000-for-two-town-causes/
Obviously they told the donors what the money would be used for? Or didn't they?
and another the rifty has been recieving money since 2011
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/84305/response/208457/attach/html/2/2003%20final.doc.html
and another https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/Document-Library/Decisions/Made-By-the-PCC/2016/Scan7687.pdf
By my reckoning, the PCC grant would work out at £5.54 per child per day if 50 children attended 3 days a week for 6 weeks. How much would a 'hot meal' cost, if made in bulk? What did it consist of? Soup is a hot meal (if it's hot!) as is a hot dog! Seems to me that this grant 'chasing' is a full time job in itself! I noticed today, that the Rifty is having the car park extended. It must be popular then! So, who is paying for this work? Is it necessary? Was it mentioned in any planning meetings?
What intrigues me is how these people turn up at a Ouncil owned building, start running a youth project and end up running a business from the premises.. It would be nice to know how much they actually pay for the use of the facility, just saying they pay is no guide to anything. Market rent or peppercorn rent ?
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on August 28, 2018, 10: PM
By my reckoning, the PCC grant would work out at £5.54 per child per day if 50 children attended 3 days a week for 6 weeks. How much would a 'hot meal' cost, if made in bulk? What did it consist of? Soup is a hot meal (if it's hot!) as is a hot dog! Seems to me that this grant 'chasing' is a full time job in itself! I noticed today, that the Rifty is having the car park extended. It must be popular then! So, who is paying for this work? Is it necessary? Was it mentioned in any planning meetings?
not just for meals by the looks of it ....https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/84305/response/220281/attach/html/3/FW%20Request%20for%20funding.txt.html
https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/Document-Library/Decisions/Made-By-the-PCC/2016/Scan7687.pdf
Youngsters love free holiday club
Published Monday, 14th August 2017
DOZENS of Hartlepool children are having an action-packed summer – thanks to a free community holiday club.
Around 50 children are attending the Rifty Youth Project's holiday club every weekday during the summer holidays at the Rift House Community Building in Masefield Road.he club, run by Stephen Akers-Belcher, is one of the 18 organisations to benefit from the Filling the Gap programme – a Hartlepool Council scheme to help ensure children in Hartlepool don't go hungry during the school holidays.
Stephen Akers-Belcher, who is also a Hartlepool Councillor, said: "The club is open to any child living in Hartlepool between the ages of 6 and 17. We provide a wide range of indoor and outdoor activities and the club is run solely by volunteers."
"The holiday club started three years ago and for the last two years we have received funding from the Council which enables us to provide free food for our children."...Hartlepool Mayor, Councillor Paul Beck, who chose the Rifty Youth Project as one of his nominated charities, visited the holiday club recently.
He commented: "This is a great club and clearly children love being here. Many families throughout the town are feeling the pressure financially so I think it's tremendous that children are benefitting from free activities and free food."
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/925/youngsters_love_free_holiday_club
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/stephen-akers-belcher-1
Quote from: jawsbbc on August 29, 2018, 09: AM
"The holiday club started three years ago and for the last two years we have received funding from the Council which enables us to provide free food for our children."...Hartlepool Mayor, Councillor Paul Beck, who chose the Rifty Youth Project as one of his nominated charities, visited the holiday club recently.
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/925/youngsters_love_free_holiday_club
Charity?
You'll struggle to find a council anywhere else in the country that introduces a holiday hunger scheme, then, as if by magic, allows one of its own councillors casually starts a cafe on council property that can access money from the scheme.
This sort of thing in Hartlepool has basically become 'normal'. It peaked with Wilcox and Cranney getting what was ultimately a 7 figure contract via WCNE with what was essentially a brand new company.
Talk to some members of the Labour group and they GENUINELY do not see a problem with this sort of thing.
It's become a part of the culture.
Quote from: DRiddle on August 29, 2018, 09: AM
Talk to some members of the Labour group and they GENUINELY do not see a problem with this sort of thing.
It's become a part of the culture.
It's their fiefdom, they apply their standards. They think their tenure in charge is eternal. It isn't.
Quote from: crisstw on August 29, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: jawsbbc on August 29, 2018, 09: AM
"The holiday club started three years ago and for the last two years we have received funding from the Council which enables us to provide free food for our children."...Hartlepool Mayor, Councillor Paul Beck, who chose the Rifty Youth Project as one of his nominated charities, visited the holiday club recently.
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/925/youngsters_love_free_holiday_club
Charity?
Anyone not from Hartlepool and / or not familiar with the workings of the SCABAL, would find it, at the very least, ODD, that a HBC councillor who is running a youth club, has got a £5K grant from HBC for a holiday hunger scheme ....and that the HBC Mayor is also donating half of his 'charity' money to the youth club, even though it's not in the ward that he was elected to serve in. Something stinks, as we all know! When you see just how much SAB has also claimed for the Shifty Rifty over the years, you know there's a rabbit off!
As I have said before money under the bed, get found out, f*c* all will happen,walk away rich and happy,more hols on us.
JUST HOW MUCH MONEY HAS GONE THROUGH THE RIFTY LOOKS LIKE IT STARTED 2012 AND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE REST OF THE CHARITY,S ARE THEY THE SAME ONES ?? https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/own-the-feet-of-a-world-cup-legend-1-5
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hyhy-1-5163942
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/outgoing-ceremonial-mayor-helped-raise-118-000-for-hartlepool-charities-1-7287984
I can't believe how shifty this all looks. Really opened my eyes! :o
Hartlepool Borough Council Exposed
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According to Gov.uk, you must set up your charity & register as a charity if your charitable income exceeds £5,000.
Further to a freedom of information request sent a while ago and a response issued to me today, HBC denies that they have directly funded the Rifty Youth Project, however these people did acting in the capacity of Ceremonial Mayor & on two separate occasions the income threshold was exceeded meaning the charity should be officially registered as one.
https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity LOOKS LIKE HBC ARE IN DENIAL AGAIN >:(
https://www.facebook.com/239715396607059/photos/a.240091766569422/314406685804596/?type=3&theater
at risk of getting my sorry a** kicked
it's a scam
all I can say is he is either a blithering idiot that thinks he will get away with it or he has a bl**dy good bent accountant
Quote from: kevplumb on September 07, 2018, 07: PM
at risk of getting my sorry a** kicked
it's a scam
all I can say is he is either a blithering idiot that thinks he will get away with it or he has a bl**dy good bent accountant
I do hope that you've evidence of either (or both).
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on September 07, 2018, 08: PM
Quote from: kevplumb on September 07, 2018, 07: PM
at risk of getting my sorry a** kicked
it's a scam
all I can say is he is either a blithering idiot that thinks he will get away with it or he has a bl**dy good bent accountant
I do hope that you've evidence of either (or both).
evidence of him being a blithering idiot check the history
evidence of him having a bent accountant behave you pay them to cover your tracks
Quote from: kevplumb on September 07, 2018, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on September 07, 2018, 08: PM
Quote from: kevplumb on September 07, 2018, 07: PM
at risk of getting my sorry a** kicked
it's a scam
all I can say is he is either a blithering idiot that thinks he will get away with it or he has a bl**dy good bent accountant
I do hope that you've evidence of either (or both).
evidence of him being a blithering idiot check the history
evidence of him having a bent accountant behave you pay them to cover your tracks
i was PM THIS THIS MORNING THE RIFTY it's not a charity or charitable organisation. It's a Community Group. A non-profit that is not set up under the Charitable Trust, CIO or Charitable Company legal structure.
It is a Unincorporated Association which has no obligation to report to the Charity Commission.
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Unincorporated associations
An 'unincorporated association' is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit (for example, a voluntary group or a sports club).
You don't need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn't cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
If you make a profit
If the association does start trading and makes a profit, you'll need to pay Corporation Tax and file a Company Tax Return in the same way as a limited company.
https://www.gov.uk/unincorporated-associations
Does such a body need have to have registered members?
How many 'local youths' are recipients of their benevolence?
If you don't need to register, how can the inland revenue know if you even exist?
Quote from: IKIf you don't need to register, how can the inland revenue know if you even exist?
that's the idea methinks >:(
Does the community centre have a manager?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on September 16, 2018, 07: AM
Does the community centre have a manager?
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/84305/response/220281/attach/3/FW%20Request%20for%20funding.txt?cookie_passthrough=1
read the 3 Attachments
Did a child type it on his behalf?
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on September 19, 2018, 08: PM
Did a child type it on his behalf?
Short answer, No, he did it all by himself.
The traits stand out, as can be seen by the poor grammar, missing words and poor structure, his style of writing is consistently poor and hasn't changed.
So if the 'Rifty' is one of these, https://www.gov.uk/unincorporated-associations it would still need some form of accounting otherwise how would they know if there were in profit and liable for taxation.
I would also ask who monitor these organisations, or are they self regulating and therefore open to financial abuse by those running them ?
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on September 20, 2018, 07: AM
So if the 'Rifty' is one of these, https://www.gov.uk/unincorporated-associations it would still need some form of accounting otherwise how would they know if there were in profit and liable for taxation.
I would also ask who monitor these organisations, or are they self regulating and therefore open to financial abuse by those running them ?
open to financial abuse by those running them ? nail head they know every trick in the book, do not forget a certain councilors freinds wife is a accountant just saying
We have a business and a 'youth project' based in the same building with a common connection. Which part of the building applies to which 'group' ?
Prior to the business opening in this particular location, could any ndividual apply to use these facilities to run a similar business in the same location?
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount£"
19/05/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Job Club Contribution £500.00
19/05/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Job Club Contribution £500.00
13/07/2017 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Rifty Summer Club £3,670.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
21/02/2018 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Rifty Christmas project £1,600.00
£6,570.00 <--Total Funding 17/18
And that's before the Mayor's contribution ...
This particular businees / organisation really needs to be looked into, if Re-gen and Neighbourhoods Services are the council committees, why are they contributing public money to a councillors pet project....the same project that recently received £10,306 from Big Fibber Becks Mayors fund.
Only in Hartlepool and Only Under a LabMob Council
Quote from: UnknownUser on September 24, 2018, 12: PM
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount£"
19/05/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Job Club Contribution £500.00
19/05/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Job Club Contribution £500.00
13/07/2017 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Rifty Summer Club £3,670.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
21/02/2018 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Rifty Christmas project £1,600.00
£6,570.00 <--Total Funding 17/18
interesting have you anything prior to 2017 unknownuser keep up the good work
Quote from: UnknownUser on September 24, 2018, 12: PM
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount£"
19/05/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Job Club Contribution £500.00
19/05/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Job Club Contribution £500.00
13/07/2017 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Rifty Summer Club £3,670.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
21/02/2018 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Rifty Christmas project £1,600.00
£6,570.00 <--Total Funding 17/18
Are all these individual 'contributions' (from HBC) specifically 'donated' in small amounts for a reason? Is there a limit on how much an individual/ company/ HBC, can donate without being eligible for tax, or it being 'flagged up'? Who actually made the decision to award the money to the Rifty? Which Councillor was the Chair of Regen and Neighbourhood Services? Is he/ she still the Chair? Who is the Chair now? When all the questions (not just here) are answered, then the pattern which emerges will give the game away....and certain individuals and possibly corporate entities ::) will be in deep $"!T. Keep digging, guys and gals!
One point has always puzzled me about this. Why all this attention lavished on one project in one community centre in one part of the ward for how many kids?
I could understand other ward councillors donating to a proper charitable organisation that served all the town and was free of political influence. I still can't comprehend how any councillor would donate so much money to benefit another wards kids. Don't their own wards have kids in them? That is very, very odd.
Which ward councillors have donated to the shifty and how much did they donate ?
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 24, 2018, 07: PM
interesting have you anything prior to 2017 unknownuser keep up the good work
Nothing in the 15/16 financial year
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount £"
27/07/2016 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Summer Club 3000.00
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount£"
01/08/14 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Contribution towards event WMB 600.00
24/02/15 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Contribution to the Rifty Youth Project 150.00
24/03/15 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Contribution towards Rifty Youth 600.00
Does anyone know exactly who serves on the regen. and neighbourhood services committee?
www.hartlepool.gov.uk/democraticservices
Friday 30 June, 2017
at 10.00 am
in the Council Chamber
Civic Centre, Hartlepool.
MEMBERS: NEIGHBOURHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE
Councillors, Belcher, Hind, Hunter, James, Lawton, Loynes, and Richardson.
MEMBERS: REGENERATION SERVICES COMMITTEE:
Councillors S Akers-Belcher, Cook, Cranney, Lindridge, Loynes, Moore and Thompson
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE
2. TO RECEIVE ANY DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST BY MEMBERS
3. BUDGET AND POLICY FRAMEWORK ITEMS
None.
4. KEY DECISIONS
4.1 Town Centre Highway Improvements - Director of Regeneration and
Neighbourhoods
5. OTHER ITEMS REQUIRING DECISION
None
6. ITEMS FOR INFORMATION
None.
7. ANY OTHER BUSINESS WHICH THE CHAIR CONSIDERS URGENT
JOINT MEETING OF
NEIGHBOURHOOD SERVICES
COMMITTEE AND
REGENERATION SERVICES
COMMITTEE
Well there's a surprise, the usual suspects strongly in evidence.
Quote from: UnknownUser on September 25, 2018, 08: AM
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 24, 2018, 07: PM
interesting have you anything prior to 2017 unknownuser keep up the good work
Nothing in the 15/16 financial year
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount £"
27/07/2016 Public Health - Grant Funded The Rifty Youth Project Grant for Summer Club 3000.00
Date Awarded Awarding Department Beneficiary Purpose of Grant "Amount£"
01/08/14 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Contribution towards event WMB 600.00
24/02/15 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Contribution to the Rifty Youth Project 150.00
24/03/15 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Contribution towards Rifty Youth 600.00
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS HOW MUCH HAS REALLY GONE TO THE RIFTY/RIFTY PROJECT
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,4081.msg43034.html#msg43034
https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-akers-belcher-Volunteer Experience & Causes
Youth Leader
The Rifty Youth Project
July 2009 – Present 9 years 3 months
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/stephen-akers-belcher
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-mayor-raises-21-000-for-two-town-charities-1-9177866
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/stephen-akers-belcher-1
https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/Document-Library/Decisions/Made-By-the-PCC/2016/Scan7687.pdf
https://hartlepoolresidents.co.uk/community-news/the-rifty-youth-project-is-please-to-be-welcoming-some-new-volunteers-to-our-project.-they-have-a-wo-1339
https://www.stockton.gov.uk/stockton-council/blogs/mayors-blog/september-2017/week-commencing-4-september-2017/
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/925/youngsters_love_free_holiday_club
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/councillor-s-relief-as-name-cleared-1-3876142
https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/Document-Library/Decisions/Made-By-the-PCC/2015/PCC-Scan-77.pdf
https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/Document-Library/Decisions/Made-By-the-PCC/2015/PCC-Scan-77.pdf
Let's not forget that these donations DO NOT include the funds that have been moved from various Labour Councillors' Ward budgets to the Rifty House fund - we know that Paul Beck was not averse to letting them a couple of thousand.
Quote from: Topcat on September 25, 2018, 09: AM
www.hartlepool.gov.uk/democraticservices
Friday 30 June, 2017
at 10.00 am
in the Council Chamber
Civic Centre, Hartlepool.
MEMBERS: NEIGHBOURHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE
Councillors, Belcher, Hind, Hunter, James, Lawton, Loynes, and Richardson.
MEMBERS: REGENERATION SERVICES COMMITTEE:
Councillors S Akers-Belcher, Cook, Cranney, Lindridge, Loynes, Moore and Thompson
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE
2. TO RECEIVE ANY DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST BY MEMBERS
3. BUDGET AND POLICY FRAMEWORK ITEMS
None.
4. KEY DECISIONS
4.1 Town Centre Highway Improvements - Director of Regeneration and
Neighbourhoods
5. OTHER ITEMS REQUIRING DECISION
None
6. ITEMS FOR INFORMATION
None.
7. ANY OTHER BUSINESS WHICH THE CHAIR CONSIDERS URGENT
JOINT MEETING OF
NEIGHBOURHOOD SERVICES
COMMITTEE AND
REGENERATION SERVICES
COMMITTEE
Well there's a surprise, the usual suspects strongly in evidence.
Those donations were made by Regeneration in 2014 & 2015. You listed the 2017 make up of the regen committee, which includes myself. I and others currently on that committee were not councillors when these payments were made.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on September 24, 2018, 09: PM
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
Why multiple applications on the same day for the same purpose instead of one larger grant?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on September 26, 2018, 07: AM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on September 24, 2018, 09: PM
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
Why multiple applications on the same day for the same purpose instead of one larger grant?
Per person ?
Shane, thanks for making it perfectly clear that you had nothing to do with this :)
However, what really needs to be explained is, how many councillors on that committee made contributions, who were they and why did they feel it necessary to make contributions to an organisation that isn't in their wards..... ::)
Shane look again ,I was referring to the long list of donations made during 2017 when the meeting in my post was held.
Apologies Topcat I only saw the earlier dates when I read last night.
If you read the minutes of that meeting though no decision was taken to give money to the Rifty. I don't recall any meeting in which we have approved it.
It may be an 'executive decision'
The 2017-18 Neighbourhood Services committee was
Belcher (S)
Hind
Hunter
James
Lawton
Loynes
Richardson
James was initially chair then Hunter
The 2017-18 Regeneration Committee was
Akers-Belcher (S)
Cook
Cranney (Chair)
Lindridge
Loynes
Moore
Thompson
Shane ,my point was not to dig at individual members but to question why a committee chairman should be able to be so generous with public money to an organisation that he is heavily involved with.Are the regen. and neighborhood committee equally as generous with other organisations?
And that's a very fair question to ask.
Quote from: SRMoore on September 26, 2018, 01: PM
And that's a very fair question to ask.
Shane I know I am preaching to the converted but what boils mine and many others urine is being unable to get answers to question that involve labmob councillors, we all know what happened with MRA & WCNE and who was connected to those and other councillor connected organisations.
I tried to get an answer from a senior council officer about any payments that maybe required for rent / utilities etc etc for the cafe that operates within the Masefield Centre......No reasonable reply was forthcoming.... :-\
Quote from: fred c on September 26, 2018, 05: PM
I tried to get an answer from a senior council officer about any payments that maybe required for rent / utilities etc etc for the cafe that operates within the Masefield Centre......No reasonable reply was forthcoming.... :-\
But, if they are paying rent and utilities for the use of the business, the council must know. We should be told the costs of rent and utilities for the premises, because this is of no commercial benefit to anyone unless of course a full market rent is not being charged or the full cost of utilities being paid.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on September 26, 2018, 07: AM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on September 24, 2018, 09: PM
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
Why multiple applications on the same day for the same purpose instead of one larger grant?
Looks suspiciously like HBC paid for 13 kynren tickets and a private minibus as they couldn't all fit into the HBC1 limo?? Was there a drinks bill granted too
But why multiple applications when one application would have sufficed ?
Quote from: pieface on September 26, 2018, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on September 26, 2018, 07: AM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on September 24, 2018, 09: PM
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £25.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £50.00
12/10/2017 Regen & Neighbourhood Services The Rifty Youth Project Coach Trip Kynren Contribution £100.00
Why multiple applications on the same day for the same purpose instead of one larger grant?
Looks suspiciously like HBC paid for 13 kynren tickets and a private minibus as they couldn't all fit into the HBC1 limo?? Was there a drinks bill granted too
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
Quote from: SRMoore on September 26, 2018, 09: AM
Apologies Topcat I only saw the earlier dates when I read last night.
If you read the minutes of that meeting though no decision was taken to give money to the Rifty. I don't recall any meeting in which we have approved it.
It may be an 'executive decision'
So as a Councillor & Committee member, will you be able to query why these payments were authorised outside of the scrutiny of the mettings and are there any more in the current financial year that we don't yet know about?
I can, yes.
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 26, 2018, 09: PM
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
The Rifty has received funding for every programme of the holiday hunger scheme.
Is there a detailed breakdown of the costs of every meal prepared and the exact number of meals served over the Hungry Kids Scheme....Should any surplus morally be returned to the councils finances and not into the Rifty's or any other providers coffers...
I really do wonder if there are any checks and balances on organisations once they have received council funding or is it just a matter X amount of pounds and that's it.?........It certainly was in the case of MRA and we all know what happened in Kilmarnock Road.
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I can, yes.
That's brilliant - many thanks Sean
The 'artlepool 'aitch is left out and name then made into an anagram. Very clever!
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Quote from: jawsbbc on September 26, 2018, 09: PM
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
The Rifty has received funding for every programme of the holiday hunger scheme.
AS DID JUTLAND ROAD YOUTHY (OFCA) they were putting in for the grants/schemes even though there were only around 7 kids going they bumped up the numbers because apparently you have to have so many kids going to claim it i would like to see a list of names of the kids that were supposedly going they know every trick in the book believe me
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Quote from: jawsbbc on September 26, 2018, 09: PM
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
The Rifty has received funding for every programme of the holiday hunger scheme.
can you find anything for jutland road hub/ofca
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Quote from: UnknownUser on September 27, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 26, 2018, 09: PM
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
The Rifty has received funding for every programme of the holiday hunger scheme.
can you find anything for jutland road hub/ofca
Every time its been run OFCA was a recipient except for the most recent programme when it either never applied or wasn't successful.
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Quote from: UnknownUser on September 27, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 26, 2018, 09: PM
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
The Rifty has received funding for every programme of the holiday hunger scheme.
can you find anything for jutland road hub/ofca
Every time its been run OFCA was a recipient except for the most recent programme when it either never applied or wasn't successful.
PEOPLE NEED TO READ THIS http://grantnav.threesixtygiving.org/district/Hartlepool
Owton Fens Community Association
Total grants
9
Total funders
3
Earliest award date
12 Oct 1999
Latest award date
06 Jul 2016
Total GBP grants
9
Total GBP awarded
£361,604
Largest GBP award
£155,485
Smallest GBP award
£2,400
Total Non-GBP grants
0
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06 Jul 2016 £7,500 The Big Lottery Fund Social Action Gardening Project
Description The organisation will use the funding to provide a gardening maintenance service for older and disabled people that is staffed by young volunteers. This will help young people to develop their skills and improve their employment opportunities. Older and disabled people will benefit from improvements to their gardens and a befriending service that aims to reduce social isolation.
12 Jul 2012 £155,485 The Big Lottery Fund Rossmere Community Hub
23 Oct 2008 £2,400 The Dulverton Trust equipment for unemployed young people to work with horses an...
14 Mar 2006 £52,295 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Owton Fens Community Association (Tees Vall...
13 Jan 2006 £4,320 The Big Lottery Fund OFCA
08 Mar 2005 £22,340 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Owton Fens Community Association (Tees Vall...
15 Mar 2004 £21,600 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Owton Fens Community Association (Tees Vall...
03 Dec 2002 £75,000 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Owton Fens Community Association (Tees Vall...
12 Oct 1999 £20,664 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Owton Fens Community Association (Tees Vall...
Manor Residents Association
Total grants
7
Total funders
2
Earliest award date
30 Sep 2003
Latest award date
27 Mar 2013
Total GBP grants
7
Total GBP awarded
£444,553
Largest GBP award
£88,000
Smallest GBP award
£19,337
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27 Mar 2013 £19,337 Esmée Fairbairn Foundation Grant to Manor Residents Association
12 Oct 2010 £84,218 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Manor Residents' Association (Tees Valley)
12 Oct 2010 £88,000 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Manor Residents' Association (Tees Valley)
14 Jul 2008 £56,863 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Manor Residents' Association (Tees Valley)
09 May 2006 £59,493 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Manor Residents' Association (Tees Valley)
13 Dec 2005 £85,942 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Manor Residents' Association (Tees Valley)
30 Sep 2003 £50,700 Northern Rock Foundation Grant awarded to Manor Residents' Association (Tees Valley)
Details of payments made to a Body/Entity listed on the Member's Register of Interests.
Supplier Ref Supplier Name
Quarter 1
Payments Apr 16
to Jun 16) -
Revised
£
Quarter 2
Payments Jul 16
to Sept 16)
Cumulative
Payments (Apr
2016 to Mar
2017)
£
Member Type of Interest ( as at 1st July 2016)
750197700 Asylum Seekers And Refugee Group - 525.00 525.00 Paul Roderick Beck Other Interests
700025200 Belle Vue Community Sports 23,834.21 15,213.28 39,047.49 Kevin Cranney
Alan Clark
Other Interests
Other Interests
701780500 Changing Futures North East 20,941.77 22,617.07 43,558.84 Gerard George Hall Other Interests
700130300 H M S Trincomalee Trust 25,611.11 - 25,611.11 Gerard George Hall Other Interests
700121300 Hartlepool Citizens Advice Bureau 1,700.00 1,450.00 3,150.00 Allan Joseph Barclay Other Interests
701981200 Hartlepool Families First 50,190.14 50,579.39 100,769.53 Paul Thompson Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation / Contracts with the Authority / Other Interests
750282400 Hartlepool Men's Sheds 1,375.00 - 1,375.00 George Springer Other Interests
705092500 Hartlepool United Supporters Club Ltd - 150.00 150.00 Stephen Thomas Other Interests
750316800 Healthwatch Hartlepool 37,597.00 - 37,597.00 Christopher Akers Belcher
Stephen Thomas
Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation / Contracts with the Authority
Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation
702202000 Owton Fens Community Association - 1,693.67 2,460.00 766.33 Stephen Akers Belcher Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation
701117200 Owton Rossmere Community Enterprise Limi 28.00 402.00 430.00 Allan Joseph Barclay Other Interests
705144300 Rift House East Residents Association - 4,500.00 4,500.00 Christopher Akers Belcher
Stephen Akers Belcher
Other Interests
Other Interests
705237500 St Matthew's Hall Committee 250.00 1,250.00 1,500.00 Gerard George Hall Other Interests
750157400 The Rifty Youth Project - 2,975.45 2,975.45 Stephen Akers Belcher Other Interests
700300500 West View Advice & Resource Centre Ltd 27,401.50 27,480.00 54,881.50 Robin William Cook Other Interests
700300600 West View Project 96,624.75 100,487.25 197,112.00 Robin William Cook Other Interests
750054000 Xivvi Limited 1,450.00 3,950.00 5,400.00 Paul Thompson Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation / Contracts with the Authority / Securities
285,309.81 234,039.44 519,349.25
Councillors should not be recipients to any grants from council bodies imo. It's immoral
Please excuse my ignorance....but can someone please 'de-cipher' the figures in the last post from jawsbbbc. Are the figures actual amounts given to these (alleged) organisations/ charities? There's no £ sign before the numbers...that's what is confusing me!
If these are actual amounts, then for certain 'charities' ::), etc, imo, this is tantamount to gaining money by deception. However, if certain large organisations WANT to donate money to certain (questionable, imo) 'causes', then, in the eyes of the law, there's no crime being committed. The phrase here is DUE DILIGENCE! Which is what these organisations are NOT applying! Why is it that WE, the people of Hartlepool, can see what is happening to the town with regard to HBC/ Labour Councillors, yet the charitable bodies just seem to donate vast amounts of money to these parasites, without any checks!
johny bongo .....
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Details of payments made to a Body/Entity listed on the Member's Register of Interests.
Supplier Ref Supplier Name
Quarter 1
Payments Apr 16
to Jun 16) -
Revised
£
Quarter 2
Payments Jul 16
to Sept 16)
Cumulative
Payments (Apr
2016 to Mar
2017)
£
Member Type of Interest ( as at 1st July 2016)
750197700 Asylum Seekers And Refugee Group - £525.00 £525.00 Paul Roderick Beck Other Interests
700025200 Belle Vue Community Sports £23,834.21 £15,213.28 £39,047.49 Kevin Cranney
Alan Clark
Other Interests
Other Interests
701780500 Changing Futures North East £20,941.77 £22,617.07 £43,558.84 Gerard George Hall Other Interests
700130300 H M S Trincomalee Trust £25,611.11 - £25,611.11 Gerard George Hall Other Interests
700121300 Hartlepool Citizens Advice Bureau £1,700.00 £1,450.00 £3,150.00 Allan Joseph Barclay Other Interests
701981200 Hartlepool Families First £50,190.14 £50,579.39 £100,769.53 Paul Thompson Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation / Contracts with the Authority / Other Interests
750282400 Hartlepool Men's Sheds £1,375.00 - £1,375.00 George Springer Other Interests
705092500 Hartlepool United Supporters Club Ltd - £150.00 £150.00 Stephen Thomas Other Interests
750316800 Healthwatch Hartlepool £37,597.00 - £37,597.00 Christopher Akers Belcher
Stephen Thomas
Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation / Contracts with the Authority
Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation
702202000 Owton Fens Community Association - £1,693.67 £2,460.00 £766.33 Stephen Akers Belcher Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation
701117200 Owton Rossmere Community Enterprise Limited £28.00 402.00 £430.00 Allan Joseph Barclay Other Interests
705144300 Rift House East Residents Association - £4,500.00 £4,500.00 Christopher Akers Belcher
Stephen Akers Belcher
Other Interests
Other Interests
705237500 St Matthew's Hall Committee £250.00 £1,250.00 £1,500.00 Gerard George Hall Other Interests
750157400 The Rifty Youth Project - £2,975.45 £2,975.45 Stephen Akers Belcher Other Interests
700300500 West View Advice & Resource Centre Ltd £27,401.50 £27,480.00 £54,881.50 Robin William Cook Other Interests
700300600 West View Project £96,624.75 £100,487.25 £197,112.00 Robin William Cook Other Interests
750054000 Xivvi Limited £1,450.00 £3,950.00 £5,400.00 Paul Thompson Employment, Office Trade, Profession or Vocation / Contracts with the Authority / Securities
£285,309.81 £234,039.44 £519,349.25
Lots and lots of lovely 'projects'. And the end product was?
Just a thought, but do the recipients have to provide a breakdown of expenditure and receipts?
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Lots and lots of lovely 'projects'. And the end product was?
Just a thought, but do the recipients have to provide a breakdown of expenditure and receipts
06 Jul 2016 £7,500 The Big Lottery Fund Social Action Gardening Project
Description The organisation will use the funding to provide a gardening maintenance service for older and disabled people that is staffed by young volunteers. This will help young people to develop their skills and improve their employment opportunities. Older and disabled people will benefit from improvements to their gardens and a befriending service that aims to reduce social isolation.
Well cranney will not have any receipts for this one as it never came to fruition as the van they were going to buy to ferry any volunteers about had to be registered to stephen akers belcher so it was a no go WONDER IF THEY GAVE THE MONEY BACK
701117200 Owton Rossmere Community Enterprise Limited £28.00 402.00 £430.00 Allan Joseph Barclay Other Interests
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Health Watch Hartlepool
Is the independent consumer champion for patients and users of health and social care in Hartlepool.
West View Project £96,624.75 £100,487.25 £197,112.00 Robin William Cook Other Interests
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Many thanks to Hartlepool TV for this extremely interesting insight into the Rifty/My Place. Certainly raises a few questions.
https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/1540622712749976/
Well....this excellent piece of informative tv could certainly cause a few ripples as it makes its way around local media circles.......
It may even reach the desktop of Ms Alexander CEO of HBC, it may be she will be in a position to answer some of the questions posed in the video ?.
It could be that Cllr S Akers Belcher himself may feel the need to provide explanations to concerned resident of the town about the issues raised in the video ?.
Quote from: fred c on October 16, 2018, 07: PM
Well....this excellent piece of informative tv could certainly cause a few ripples as it makes its way around local media circles.......
It may even reach the desktop of Ms Alexander CEO of HBC, it may be she will be in a position to answer some of the questions posed in the video ?.
It could be that Cllr S Akers Belcher himself may feel the need to provide explanations to concerned resident of the town about the issues raised in the video ?.
you have more chance of finding lord lucan,
Fred ;)
Quote from: fred c on October 16, 2018, 07: PM
Well....this excellent piece of informative tv could certainly cause a few ripples as it makes its way around local media circles.......
It may even reach the desktop of Ms Alexander CEO of HBC, it may be she will be in a position to answer some of the questions posed in the video ?.
It could be that Cllr S Akers Belcher himself may feel the need to provide explanations to concerned resident of the town about the issues raised in the video ?.
ste will be fuming
The title of this thread should be changed to 'The Rifty- is it a p**s take or what? SAB obviously thinks he's fooling everyone and of course, HBC aren't forthcoming with any info. But the noose is starting to tighten; lots of questions are being asked and it won't be too long before HMRC become interested! I watched the Hartlepool TV vid...very good. Let's hope most people in the town see it! I let out a howl of laughter when Pam mentioned Trustees (at the Rifty). Don't mention trustees to SAB...........he'll probably deny being SAB!
Quote from: jawsbbc on October 16, 2018, 08: PM
ste will be fuming
I believe the gruesome twosome have refused to have anything at all to do with Hartlepool TV and prefer to lecture us through the offices of a local Radio Station that got caught running rigged phone-in competitions. Competitions where the host arranged for a friend to win all the prizes. They think that sort of business model chimes with their way of doing things.
The council have had 3 or 4 attempts at video publicity starring the SCABS /Cranney and Co......It was unsuccessful to say the least, in fact in 1 case it provoked widespread ridicules.
HMG have repeatedly offered there services to all councillors and labour have flatly refused the offers, why the labour councillors chose to refuse the offer can only be put down to the LabMobs paranoia.
Hence the efforts by Hartlepool's very own Mack Sennet Productions.......
I suspect their preferred 'media model', is based on the Pyongyang style of broadcasting.
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ste will be fuming
I believe the gruesome twosome have refused to have anything at all to do with Hartlepool TV and prefer to lecture us through the offices of a local Radio Station that got caught running rigged phone-in competitions. Competitions where the host arranged for a friend to win all the prizes. They think that sort of business model chimes with their way of doing things.
is this the same radio station that had a falling out with the said councillors who now like and comment on everything sab n cab post https://www.facebook.com/Councillor-Christopher-Akers-Belcher-159119108028221/
https://www.facebook.com/jason.anderson.37669?fref=ufi&rc=p
John Fleet Good pointing, Jason.
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Laura Gibson Always a pleasure helping and donating x
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Steve Atkinson is this a competition - spot the doyle ?
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Paul Beck Steve Atkinson Get a life
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Steve Atkinson boo hoo - another Cwissy yes man
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John Fleet It's not about the complete Zeros in the middle, it's about a donation to Gifts for Christmas.
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Steve Atkinson John Fleet true ,but cant beat a bit of fun ,now and again
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John Fleet Steve, that mirror would look good in the Rifty.
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Jack Hanlon Keep up the good work Paul Beck, even though you're not an elected member anymore you're still putting others first.
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Paul Beck Jack Hanlon thanks Jack. Would you be willing to donate a prize for the event we advertised on Radio Hartlepool. It's for the children's gift appeal.
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I believe an agreement of some kind is in place with some kind of remuneration package.
So, do they have a web site with a listing of all their activities, or at the very least a leaflet giving full details?
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I believe an agreement of some kind is in place with some kind of remuneration package.
i also heard that, scabs cranney james corrupt to the core
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/charitable_grants_donations
Hartlepool Borough Council seem to provide a fair bit of funding for this non charity
the more info that is posted
the more I believe this supposed "good cause" needs a serious fraud investigation
but not by Cleveland police as they are pi**ing in the same pot >:(
Quote from: UnknownUser on October 20, 2018, 11: AM
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/charitable_grants_donations
Hartlepool Borough Council seem to provide a fair bit of funding for this non charity
can anyone view these ???this is all i am getting when i try to download Grants to voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations
Grants 2014 - 2015
Grants that the Council makes to external organisations
File type: XLSX
Size: 285.12 KB
(https://imgur.com/qr1lKeB.png)
Are you sure that's the top of a pie ? Where is mad dog she usually joins them for a photo opportunity
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Quote from: jawsbbc on September 29, 2018, 03: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on September 27, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 26, 2018, 09: PM
could that be for the 13 kids that go oops sorry around about 50 according to sab bit like when cranney was running jutland road on paper it was 20 odd kids using the youth club when really there were only 7 how do i know because i was there they bump the numbers up for funding hungry kids, summer clubs, youthys , ect ect
The Rifty has received funding for every programme of the holiday hunger scheme.
can you find anything for jutland road hub/ofca
Every time its been run OFCA was a recipient except for the most recent programme when it either never applied or wasn't successful.
it was not successful hense jutland rd hub closing so nothing for the children on this estate to do ?? but plenty up the rift house though >:( >:( >:(
( THE RIFTY it's not a charity or charitable organisation. It's a Community Group. A non-profit that is not set up under the Charitable Trust, CIO or Charitable Company legal structure.
It is a Unincorporated Association which has no obligation to report to the Charity Commission.)
SO IS THIS HOW THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH WHAT THEY ARE ALL DOING
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Quote from: UnknownUser on October 20, 2018, 11: AM
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/charitable_grants_donations
Hartlepool Borough Council seem to provide a fair bit of funding for this non charity
can anyone view these ???this is all i am getting when i try to download Grants to voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations
Grants 2014 - 2015
Grants that the Council makes to external organisations
File type: XLSX
Size: 285.12 KB
No problem downloading and opening 2014-2015 . The rifty was 40th in the table receiving £1350
PM me an email address if you would like a copy
Quote from: jawsbbc on October 21, 2018, 09: AM
( THE RIFTY it's not a charity or charitable organisation. It's a Community Group. A non-profit that is not set up under the Charitable Trust, CIO or Charitable Company legal structure.
It is a Unincorporated Association which has no obligation to report to the Charity Commission.)
SO IS THIS HOW THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH WHAT THEY ARE ALL DOING
I may be wrong but my understanding is that if the Unicorporated Association receives donations in excess of £5000.00 pounds in any one year, they then have to register as a charity, regardless as to how the organisation was originally created.
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on October 21, 2018, 04: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on October 21, 2018, 09: AM
( THE RIFTY it's not a charity or charitable organisation. It's a Community Group. A non-profit that is not set up under the Charitable Trust, CIO or Charitable Company legal structure.
It is a Unincorporated Association which has no obligation to report to the Charity Commission.)
SO IS THIS HOW THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH WHAT THEY ARE ALL DOING
I may be wrong but my understanding is that if the Unicorporated Association receives donations in excess of £5000.00 pounds in any one year, they then have to register as a charity, regardless as to how the organisation was originally created.
Surely that must be the case? Otherwise they could have a theoretical income of £40 million a year and no need to declare it. There must be some accountability, even if it's £16.46 in a biscuit tin.
An 'unincorporated association' is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit (for example, a voluntary group or a sports club).
You don't need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn't cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
If you make a profit
If the association does start trading and makes a profit, you'll need to pay Corporation Tax and file a Company Tax Return in the same way as a limited company.
looks like father and son bonding sab and dad enjoying my cafe in the rifty
https://www.facebook.com/mycafeHartlepool/photos/rpp.1937828456501917/2228988927385867/?type=3&theater
looking through comments it looks as if he has family working there who would have thought ;D ;D
My Cafe
15 October at 20:36 ·
We organise events and do outside catering as well as hiring our cafe and hall out for private events and fundraisers. This is a picture of our pizza and pasta night. It's something different and a good way to raise funds or have a get together with friends and family. For more information call in for a chat or call 280625
Quote from: Nice on October 21, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: jawsbbc on October 20, 2018, 03: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on October 20, 2018, 11: AM
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/charitable_grants_donations
Hartlepool Borough Council seem to provide a fair bit of funding for this non charity
can anyone view these ???this is all i am getting when i try to download Grants to voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations
Grants 2014 - 2015
Grants that the Council makes to external organisations
File type: XLSX
Size: 285.12 KB
No problem downloading and opening 2014-2015 . The rifty was 40th in the table receiving £1350
PM me an email address if you would like a copy
thanks NICE could get it on laptop but not phone
Quote from: UnknownUser on October 22, 2018, 12: PM
An 'unincorporated association' is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit (for example, a voluntary group or a sports club).
You don't need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn't cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
So is there a list of members? Surely those with liability must need to be registered as such? Would such an organisation require auditing?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on October 22, 2018, 12: PM
An 'unincorporated association' is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit (for example, a voluntary group or a sports club).
You don't need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn't cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
So is there a list of members? Surely those with liability must need to be registered as such? Would such an organisation require auditing?
think the question has been ASKED ANYONE CONFIRM THIS
I know, and it's got to kept being asked.
Many thanks to Hartlepool TV for this.
https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/368497323887906/UzpfSTEwMDAxNjQwNzkzNDcwMDpWSzoxMTg4NzM4MTMxMjg2MTgy/
I am glad someone is willing to speak to finally speak out about what is really going on at the Rifty, the Akers Belchers must now answer the questions put to them or even more appropriate would be to stand down
I can only hope Steve and Pam don't hold their breath waiting for an answer from S.A.B.....If anyone should have lost their position as a councillor it should have been him.....Blatant lies about a non existent funeral, even more blatant lies about the mistreatment of vulnerable adults and even more blatant lies about being sick when he was supposed to be attending his Employment Tribunal.....
How decent minded 'Labour Councillors' failed to insist on a full and frank investigation into the circumstances surrounding his dismissal for GIM is beyond most of us and shows them up for lacking any moral integrity whatsoever.
Only in Hartlepool and Only Under a LabMob Councillor....They should hang their heads in shame.
Quote from: fred c on November 03, 2018, 08: PM
How decent minded 'Labour Councillors' failed to insist on a full and frank investigation into the circumstances surrounding his dismissal for GIM is beyond most of us and shows them up for lacking any moral integrity whatsoever.
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Tha Party always comes first . I suspect a butchers block as leader would be defended, but I repeat myself.
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 03, 2018, 06: PM
the Akers Belchers must now answer the questions put to them or even more appropriate would be to stand down
Stand down? What else could they do, would you employ them?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 03, 2018, 05: PM
Many thanks to Hartlepool TV for this.
https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/368497323887906/UzpfSTEwMDAxNjQwNzkzNDcwMDpWSzoxMTg4NzM4MTMxMjg2MTgy/
looks like belchers family(weldrake) and akers family are fuming
Chantelle Weldrake this is all bull s**t she just a stuck up COW who is bored of her own life i have volunteered here for over a year the kids are happy and there is always something for them to do the food that is giving the kids always enjoy..so get of your high horse and get on with your own life..
Chantelle Weldrake yous all want to get a grip and get on with your own life..and yyes i have been checked.j
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Chantelle Weldrake see yous remove all the nice comments from the page..yous are nowt but small minded people who need to grow up..bunch of idiots
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Lewis Akers Looney cow, get a life
https://www.facebook.com/search/str/hartlepool+tv/keywords_search
Dear, oh dear ... some of the comments on there look like they're straight out of the Jeremy Kyle show.
If I had nothing to hide I'd be on Hartlepool TV like a shot to give my side of the events
Quote from: jeffh on November 05, 2018, 07: PM
If I had nothing to hide I'd be on Hartlepool TV like a shot to give my side of the events
Seems that some of the Labour group aren't talking to HTV - full stop.
https://www.facebook.com/steve.gooderham.3/posts/258757198014543?__tn__=C-R
Quote from: jeffh on November 05, 2018, 07: PM
If I had nothing to hide I'd be on Hartlepool TV like a shot to give my side of the events
Exactly jeffh, I really find it difficult to understand the mentality of the labmob group, they flatly ignore reasonable requests to keep Hartlepool residents informed of decisions that affect the them by refusing to engage with HTV.
Instead, they rely on the half arsed attempts by the councils own spin department to promote themselves rather than the issues faced by the town, all they are achieving is to increase the scepticism felt by the public.
Openness, Transparency, Accountability.......Not in Hartlepool under the LabMob
Quote from: fred c on November 06, 2018, 08: AM
Quote from: jeffh on November 05, 2018, 07: PM
If I had nothing to hide I'd be on Hartlepool TV like a shot to give my side of the events
Exactly jeffh, I really find it difficult to understand the mentality of the labmob group, they flatly ignore reasonable requests to keep Hartlepool residents informed of decisions that affect the them by refusing to engage with HTV.
Instead, they rely on the half arsed attempts by the councils own spin department to promote themselves rather than the issues faced by the town, all they are achieving is to increase the scepticism felt by the public.
Openness, Transparency, Accountability.......Not in Hartlepool under the LabMob
Easy to answer that Fred they will be under orders not to do interviews with HTV., they might give answers that doesn't suit the mob.
I'm told there was a flood at the Rifty a little while ago. Such was the damage that areas of the building required new carpets. This was of course a golden opportunity to use the ones allegedly ripped up and stored from the CIL after someone didn't like the colour. However, word leaking out of HBC is that new carpets were ordered. So presumably the ones the council allege were saved and stored from the CIL are still in storage waiting for an even better opportunity to be utilised than in a council owned building with damaged carpets. . .
has the money from the defunct company gone to prop the rifty up ??? notice the initials OFCA
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07793699/officers OPPORTUNITIES FROM COMMUNITY ACTION COMMUNITY INTEREST COMPANY
Company number 07793699
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ASHMAN, Mark Robert (nephew)
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role
Director
Date of birth
April 1982
Appointed on
30 September 2011
Nationality
British
Country of residence
England
Occupation
Youth Worker
CRANNEY, Kevin Henry
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role
Director
Date of birth
March 1956
Appointed on
25 June 2012
Nationality
British
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Occupation
Manager
GIDNEY, Stephen James(ofca trustee)
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role
Director
Date of birth
November 1952
Appointed on
25 June 2012
Nationality
British
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Occupation
Hypnotherapist
DUFFY, Niki
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role RESIGNED
Secretary
Appointed on
30 September 2011
Resigned on
31 March 2013
JACKSON, Leslea(cranneys mrs)
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role RESIGNED
Director
Date of birth
November 1972
Appointed on
30 September 2011
Resigned on
2 July 2012
Nationality
British
Country of residence
England
Occupation
Charity Finance Manager
SANT, Tom
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role RESIGNED
Director
Date of birth
July 1933
Appointed on
25 June 2012
Resigned on
8 May 2015
Nationality
British
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Occupation
Retired Tailor
WILDBERG, Andrew( nieces husband)
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, TS25 3JN
Role RESIGNED
Director
Date of birth
May 1965
Appointed on
30 September 2011
Resigned on
2 July 2012
Nationality
British
Country of residence
England
Occupation
Labourer
WILDBERG, Jacquelyn(niece)
Correspondence address
Search, 244-246 Catcote Road, Hartlepool, Cleveland, England, TS25 3JN
Role RESIGNED
Director
Date of birth
April 1969
Appointed on
30 September 2011
Resigned on
2 July 2012
Nationality
British
Country of residence
England
Occupation
Housewife
Quote from: UnknownUser on October 22, 2018, 12: PM
An 'unincorporated association' is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit (for example, a voluntary group or a sports club).
You don't need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn't cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
If you make a profit
If the association does start trading and makes a profit, you'll need to pay Corporation Tax and file a Company Tax Return in the same way as a limited company. room hire, bingo, were is all the money going to? is the rifty a charity or not
Quote from: angryjim on August 13, 2018, 05: PM
I put a FOI request into HSBC to find out how much HSBC is funding the Rifty Youth Project after I found out that the accounts of several other charities were obscenely late being submitted to the Charities Commission, I haven't heard anything back since. Me thinks some bottoms will be whimpering if it comes out to light that the "charity" may have gone over its 5k lack of reporting threshold many times over!
are we any further on this subject ??
Linda Harvey, Rifty Youth Project Manager, may be the person to ask about the actual financial status of the Rifty Youth.......Is it a charity, does it receive funding from the council, as a council community centre are the accounts available to the public.
This info is from a link on the posts fb page... Barclay is visiting the place there is a photo.
If you click on the link it takes you to the council website and gives the blurb about the Rifty......The name of the manager in the first paragraph is the first time I have seen such information.
Quote from: fred c on March 16, 2019, 07: PM
Linda Harvey, Rifty Youth Project Manager, may be the person to ask about the actual financial status of the Rifty Youth.......Is it a charity, does it receive funding from the council, as a council community centre are the accounts available to the public.
This info is from a link on the posts fb page... Barclay is visiting the place there is a photo.
If you click on the link it takes you to the council website and gives the blurb about the Rifty......The name of the manager in the first paragraph is the first time I have seen such information.
https://bit.ly/2TDo5kR
so is it a charity or not
Nice too see Mrs Harvey has got her granddaughter in the photo with some of Hartlepool's political powerhouses, she also gets to work with her if I'm reading the photo description correctly
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in the photo with some of Hartlepool's political powerhouses, she also gets to work with her if I'm reading the photo description correctly
[/quote] powerhouses ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D the lot couldn't blow a 3 amp fuse ;)
Is the Rifty a shrine where all the Labour minions have to make pilgrimage to and pay their dues and receive a blessing from the Bishop?
Just waiting for the white smoke to come out of the chimney ...
Quote from: kevplumb on March 19, 2019, 07: PM
powerhouses ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D the lot couldn't blow a 3 amp fuse ;)
Ahhh, forgive my typo, I thought someone would have spotted it earlier, I meant to put sh..houses :)
Quote from: kevplumb on March 19, 2019, 07: PM
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in the photo with some of Hartlepool's political powerhouses, she also gets to work with her if I'm reading the photo description correctly
powerhouses ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D the lot couldn't blow a 3 amp fuse ;)
[/quote]If they did blow the fuse, they'd be in the Mail with a photo of them looking serious and pointing to the offending fuse and launching an appeal to replace it.
Quote from: kevplumb on March 19, 2019, 07: PM
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in the photo with some of Hartlepool's political powerhouses, she also gets to work with her if I'm reading the photo description correctly
powerhouses ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D the lot couldn't blow a 3 amp fuse ;)
[/quote] https://bit.ly/2TDo5kR so is it a charity or not why will hbc not answer this question
All we need is one thread, one little bit of twine to pull and it all comes down, can someone more knowledgeable than me pull that thread FFS
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on March 21, 2019, 02: AM
All we need is one thread, one little bit of twine to pull and it all comes down, can someone more knowledgeable than me pull that thread FFS
wish they would, me personally i think officers staff and other councillor know what is going on but are to afraid to say anything in fear of losing their post or job or chairmanship thousands has gone to the rifty /rifty project over the years so were is all the money been spent ?? i will ask again is it a charity or is it not
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on March 21, 2019, 02: AM
All we need is one thread, one little bit of twine to pull and it all comes down, can someone more knowledgeable than me pull that thread FFS AND WE ALL KNOW WHO WILL GET THE LIONS SHARE OF THIS THE RIFTY PROJECT
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/new-grant-initiative-to-help-host-activities-for-children-age-5-19-in-hartlepool-1-9670261?fbclid=IwAR2c0pFzP95fXoXZK_QC
This whole thing makes no sense at all to me.
Going from appearances it's their little kingdom, but how can anybody just walk into a Council owned building and commandeer it for their purpose?
Is there a manager of the Centre and what role do they actually play, do they run it or just clear up and do the boring stuff. Are they obligrped to doff their cap to their betters when they make a royal visit.
In my eyes they're no different to anyone else, and if they can do it, why can't anyone else. I recall no invitations to tender for the building.
There's more information coming out of a KGB training school.
Bloody hell what's going on with cabs face, he looks weird and that billy idol hair?
I wonder if CAB and SAB realise that when they walk away/are dragged screaming and kicking from the Civic Centre, they will be regarded as some of the most bent, despised Councilors in Hartlepool's history, I think they have, that's why the rumours of bailing out to Brighton, get as far away as possible and try to leave it all behind. They won't, it will follow them like a bad smell when the people of this great town learn the full truth. I hope that day is close as I'd love to see ALL the scum brought to book and made to pay for what they have done.
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on March 26, 2019, 10: PM
I wonder if CAB and SAB realise that when they walk away/are dragged screaming and kicking from the Civic Centre, they will be regarded as some of the most bent, despised Councilors in Hartlepool's history, I think they have, that's why the rumours of bailing out to Brighton, get as far away as possible and try to leave it all behind. They won't, it will follow them like a bad smell when the people of this great town learn the full truth. I hope that day is close as I'd love to see ALL the scum brought to book and made to pay for what they have done.
Ewn they do leave, they will get he parade and cheers they always wanted.
They should be prosecuted.
Quote from: stokoe on March 26, 2019, 02: PM
Bloody hell what's going on with cabs face
His left upper-eye-lid is really badly damaged by his overuse of botox. He is politically a walking corpse and actually looks like one as well!
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/4C6IvP.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm4C6IvPj)
Aren't there rules against posting offensive images in this forum?! :o
Quote from: mk1 on March 27, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: stokoe on March 26, 2019, 02: PM
Bloody hell what's going on with cabs face
His left upper-eye-lid is really badly damaged by his overuse of botox. He is politically a walking corpse and actually looks like one as well!
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/4C6IvP.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm4C6IvPj)
He certainly looks though he has been overdoing something, the weight loss hasn't done him any favours, but as mk1 mentions, his left eye doesn't match the right one.....I have to say, he isn't aging well.
His roots are showing too.
We have strayed of course slightly, the question was.....Is the Rifty Youth Project a Charity ?
The 1 thing we know for certain is quite clearly, 'It Isn't'...at least the last time I checked the CC website it isn't.
What we don't know and what no one seems to be able to find out is, What is it, is it a Business, Youth Club, Community Centre ?
Despite a number of FOI requests, no clear and concise answers are available from HBC, no one within HBC seems to have any responsibility for the building and what happens within it, even the Chief Finance Officer.
It's a fiefdom. An old fashioned word, but sums it up nicely as it appears to me.
Very open, but very closed.