It's one thing to blame immigrants for taking all of the jobs but the reality is very different. I hark back to a couple of months ago and Michael Heseltine's road to Damascus moment when compiling his latest report - this time for Teesside following the SSI closure. The main thing that struck Heseltine was that there were more people of working age in the area than there were jobs - not vacancies, mind you, but the total number of positions of employment.
With that in mind, I stuck together the list of Hartlepool vacancies showing up on the Indeed site which has a feed on the Front page. This is what's currently on offer - eat your heart out Surbiton:
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/indeed%20jobs.jpg)
Is it any wonder people complain of being 'left behind'? All I see in the main are jobs working behind a counter and some of those look like they are temporary Christmas jobs. The so-called 'Vision' with its emphasis on hotel, bar and retail work isn't going to change anything either.
It would help if the spin was extracted out of things. One of the most annoying claims is that the area has one of the highest business start-up rates in the country. In different circumstances that would be a good thing but the reality is that the high number of start-ups is directly related to the chronic shortage of jobs. One thing the spin doesn't tell us is that the business failure rate is also one of the country's highest as inexperienced 'entrepreneurs', lacking any sort of solid financial backing quickly fall flat on their ar**.
It'll be interesting to see, following Brexit and the current political climate in the North East, what NISSAN decide regarding production of their new car next month.
Is it a good time commit billions of pounds worth of investment into the North East of a country about to leave the biggest trading economy of the planet, if you're a foreign multi national company?
Time will tell.
What jobs would you expect to see ? There isn't a major employer in Hartlepool apart from the Council.
In a recent survey, the average wage in Chichester, an affluent area, 2 hours from London is £20k, the average house price is £350000 !
I see a decent set of jobs there.
Quote from: BresslawoffoftheBunker on October 22, 2016, 11: PM
I see a decent set of jobs there.
should have gone to specsavers
Quote from: BresslawoffoftheBunker on October 22, 2016, 11: PM
I see a decent set of jobs there.
I wonder if you'd say the same thing if you were aware of some terms and conditions, how many are 16 to 20 hours, hows many are zero hour contracts, how many offer a wage and security to enable a young family to pay a modest mortgage and survive.
I feel for young adults in this area, little wonder so many on our most talented young adults leave and never come back.
I real irony is HBC Economic Development Dept would see encouraging such jobs to the area as a success. I see it very differently.
I agree with th above, most jobs in Hartlepool are ones that mean you still need benefits to survive.
Plus I know a number of young'ish tradesmen that have no hope of buying one of the houses they help build.
It is a hopeless situation.
So, in a town like Hartlepool what jobs would you expect to see advertised?
Be realistic
The reality is Hartlepool has missed out on attracting any on the major employers that have come to the area over the last umpteen decades.
We have a port and rail links which makes it unforgivable
I asked what jobs would one expect, not what jobs would be available if the industries that should be here aren't here.
Quote from: BresslawoffoftheBunker on October 23, 2016, 11: AM
So, in a town like Hartlepool what jobs would you expect to see advertised?
Be realistic
Good question, in a dog eat dog world one would expect these sort of dead end jobs. However, we have seen millions of pounds worth of grants and schemes which were supposed to promote employers to come to towns like Hartlepool. Few have every delivered anything worth having.
We have been a safe Labour town for over 50 years yet even when Mandy (Carpet Bagging turd) was our MP we were ignored.
HBC have an economic development dept, it seems to me if we sacked the lot of them we'd be no worse off.
As I have said before, Hartlepool is almost unique within the North East in not having any Government department jobs.
Washington: DWP Pension Office
Middlesbrough: HMRC, dWP Benefits Office
Stockton: Universal Credit Centre
Seaham: DWP Pension Office
Durham: Land Registry, Passport Office
Darlington: Student Loans
Newcastle: Longbenton DWP Centre (10,000 jobs), HMRC, DWP Regional Office
Before a company invests in a town they look at factors like crime and available workforce in that area.
We have high unemployment here but a low reliable workforce.
If an employer creates a rolling shift pattern he needs people to turn up for work hopefully on time.
When you look closely at our 5000 unemployed you will find that a large proportion have drink, drug, discipline or some form of mental illness.
Then look at the % of either lazy folk or those that prefer moonlighting or even lazy-itis.
The 5000 is now 500 hence the next Nissan or Hitachi will look elsewhere.
Our bright young students will go to university and not return, you can't blame the council for that either.
Like most of the North East we are a holding town for the old, lazy and uneducated, many of our adults can barely read or write.
Thats why we are left with no facilities like Hospitals, Courts and a proper newspaper.
I would hate to be around in 50 years, god help us :'(
'Dead end jobs'. There are some decent jobs there.
Nice bit of offence thrown at people who currently do these valuable jobs !!!
If you think they are quality jobs then you need to get out more, you are obviously not well travelled.
I reiterate my key point; 'How many offer a wage and security to enable a young family to pay a modest mortgage and survive'.
I have young friends who are unable to obtain a job which would allow them to raise a family or plan a future in spite of having decent qualifications.
To me a job which does not allow these things and is based on exploiting employees is a dead end job.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on October 23, 2016, 01: PM
Like most of the North East we are a holding town for the old, lazy and uneducated, many of our adults can barely read or write.
Thats why we are left with no facilities like Hospitals, Courts and a proper newspaper.
I would hate to be around in 50 years, god help us :'(
You appear to have a stunning insight into a profile of the town workforce and the populace in general. Hmmm
As for the courts, hospitals etc, I suggest you direct your fire at those who purport to represent us politically, as the idea of a mob with burning torches, burning tyres and pitchforks tends not to win the approval of those in authority.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on October 23, 2016, 01: PM
When you look closely at our 5000 unemployed you will find that a large proportion have drink, drug, discipline or some form of mental illness.
Then look at the % of either lazy folk or those that prefer moonlighting or even lazy-itis.
The 5000 is now 500 hence the next Nissan or Hitachi will look elsewhere.
Our bright young students will go to university and not return, you can't blame the council for that either.
Like most of the North East we are a holding town for the old, lazy and uneducated, many of our adults can barely read or write.
Thats why we are left with no facilities like Hospitals, Courts and a proper newspaper.
I would hate to be around in 50 years, god help us :'(
Let me guess you would have them all flogged at dawn them stick em in the Army to learn some discipline guy.......?
Where exactly do the figures you quote come from ? The Viz book of political research?
When did you attend one of our local schools and see the next generation studying and passing exams?
The problem or part of the problem is funding for regeneration or jobs being placed in the hands of a group of people who have never had a real job in their lives and look upon funding as a private source of "venture" capital or hope to turn Hartlepool into some kind of Pink theme park pandering to their bizarre view of normal life I.e don't bother working for a living milk the public purse and mince your way up the ladder ....a heck of an example to the next generation.
A huge problem is the labour part looking back ( or behind them perhaps it's a necessary precaution when dealing with Mr and Mrs)
Get real the pits will never open again, we won't be producing steel, ships will never be built in Hartlepool again consequently neither will marine engines ( look it up = Richardson s)
If the piggies bothered raising their snouts out of the trough they would see the North Sea.
Two things are going to happen there over next few years
Wind farms
Dogger Bank wind farm biggest in world 7-10 year build
Anglian 1 400 towers 7 year build
Beatrice 5 years
Forget the fantasy that they won't be built they will and Hartlepool is well placed to be heavily involved in planning fabrication construction and operation of these assets.
Decommissioning
As assets age and are shut down the governments of Europe demand they are de commissioned and all trace removed. Read that again...all
Able marine I ramping up for the shell Brent but the word in the marine sector is that the big boom period will be 2017 to 2020 and onwards.
These are the industries the fantasists at hbc should be pointing their snouts at....not bloody second hand shops and redeveloping the marina yet again.
Quote from: akarjl on October 24, 2016, 07: AM
............in the hands of a group of people who have never had a real job in their lives...........
Was that you on Question Time?
Quote from: akarjl on October 24, 2016, 07: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on October 23, 2016, 01: PM
When you look closely at our 5000 unemployed you will find that a large proportion have drink, drug, discipline or some form of mental illness.
Then look at the % of either lazy folk or those that prefer moonlighting or even lazy-itis.
The 5000 is now 500 hence the next Nissan or Hitachi will look elsewhere.
Our bright young students will go to university and not return, you can't blame the council for that either.
Like most of the North East we are a holding town for the old, lazy and uneducated, many of our adults can barely read or write.
Thats why we are left with no facilities like Hospitals, Courts and a proper newspaper.
I would hate to be around in 50 years, god help us :'(
Let me guess you would have them all flogged at dawn them stick em in the Army to learn some discipline guy.......?
Where exactly do the figures you quote come from ? The Viz book of political research?
When did you attend one of our local schools and see the next generation studying and passing exams?
The problem or part of the problem is funding for regeneration or jobs being placed in the hands of a group of people who have never had a real job in their lives and look upon funding as a private source of "venture" capital or hope to turn Hartlepool into some kind of Pink theme park pandering to their bizarre view of normal life I.e don't bother working for a living milk the public purse and mince your way up the ladder ....a heck of an example to the next generation.
A huge problem is the labour part looking back ( or behind them perhaps it's a necessary precaution when dealing with Mr and Mrs)
Get real the pits will never open again, we won't be producing steel, ships will never be built in Hartlepool again consequently neither will marine engines ( look it up = Richardson s)
If the piggies bothered raising their snouts out of the trough they would see the North Sea.
Two things are going to happen there over next few years
Wind farms
Dogger Bank wind farm biggest in world 7-10 year build
Anglian 1 400 towers 7 year build
Beatrice 5 years
Forget the fantasy that they won't be built they will and Hartlepool is well placed to be heavily involved in planning fabrication construction and operation of these assets.
Decommissioning
As assets age and are shut down the governments of Europe demand they are de commissioned and all trace removed. Read that again...all
Able marine I ramping up for the shell Brent but the word in the marine sector is that the big boom period will be 2017 to 2020 and onwards.
These are the industries the fantasists at hbc should be pointing their snouts at....not bloody second hand shops and redeveloping the marina yet again.
well said sir
Quote from: mk1 on October 24, 2016, 08: AM
Quote from: akarjl on October 24, 2016, 07: AM
............in the hands of a group of people who have never had a real job in their lives...........
Was that you on Question Time?
Nope I was working....offshore....building a wind farm!
Quote from: akarjl on October 24, 2016, 07: AM
Let me guess you would have them all flogged at dawn them stick em in the Army to learn some discipline guy.......?
Where exactly do the figures you quote come from ? The Viz book of political research?
When did you attend one of our local schools and see the next generation studying and passing exams?
The problem or part of the problem is funding for regeneration or jobs being placed in the hands of a group of people who have never had a real job in their lives and look upon funding as a private source of "venture" capital or hope to turn Hartlepool into some kind of Pink theme park pandering to their bizarre view of normal life I.e don't bother working for a living milk the public purse and mince your way up the ladder ....a heck of an example to the next generation.
A huge problem is the labour part looking back ( or behind them perhaps it's a necessary precaution when dealing with Mr and Mrs)
Get real the pits will never open again, we won't be producing steel, ships will never be built in Hartlepool again consequently neither will marine engines ( look it up = Richardson s)
If the piggies bothered raising their snouts out of the trough they would see the North Sea.
Two things are going to happen there over next few years
Wind farms
Dogger Bank wind farm biggest in world 7-10 year build
Anglian 1 400 towers 7 year build
Beatrice 5 years
Forget the fantasy that they won't be built they will and Hartlepool is well placed to be heavily involved in planning fabrication construction and operation of these assets.
Decommissioning
As assets age and are shut down the governments of Europe demand they are de commissioned and all trace removed. Read that again...all
Able marine I ramping up for the shell Brent but the word in the marine sector is that the big boom period will be 2017 to 2020 and onwards.
These are the industries the fantasists at hbc should be pointing their snouts at....not bloody second hand shops and redeveloping the marina yet again.
Apart from the unnecessary side-swipe at all things pink, I agree with nearly all of that. In fact, thinking back to the days when the Victoria Harbour 'Vision' was unceremoniously
dumped, I remember the spin telling us that it had been decided to make Hartlepool the East Coast Hub for turbine manufacturing and support - possibly the first use of that word 'Hub' in a local context.JDR have been the only shining light to come out of such rhetoric and it wasn't long before the focus was switched to low-pay service jobs which are not going to solve any of the town's long-term problems. Personally, I'd like to see the College of FE become more of a centre for what I would call Green Engineering possibly with a link-up to Durham University. We're ideally placed to get involved in both Wind and Wave Power and one thing that is never going to run out is the human race's thirst for energy.
Agreed Steve.
Blyth is a good example.. despite having a tiny wind farm off shore they are ramping up for renewables and have just built an offshore training center.
The college tie in us a good idea. Aviation related courses always struck me as odd....where's the nearest source of aviation jobs?
The pink references were as a result of hbcs odd belief in their warped concept of culture driven,no doubt by Mr and Mrs.
Artisan coffee shops paying minimum wages up and down Church street is not what the town needs.
Quote from: akarjl on October 24, 2016, 12: PM
The pink references were as a result of hbcs odd belief in their warped concept of culture driven,no doubt by Mr and Mrs.
You missed a few, Mr & Mr Wells and Mizz
Alexander.
Perhaps someone will correct me if I'm wrong but don't the majority, if not all, the current batch of wind-turbines emanate from Germany? For the life of me I fail to see why the UK isn't capable of producing its own. You would think that an island with a coastline like ours would be at the forefront of such technology.
On the aviation point, I would agree with that save to point out that the two areas are not unrelated.
Bit of a coincidence but worth a look. Just one thing about the Combined Authority - since pushing us all into this without a referendum CAB has failed to attend any of its monthly meetings other than the initial, inaugural meeting. I think he managed to send Cranney to one as his Deputy.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/lucrative-business-is-up-for-grabs-and-hartlepool-s-the-place-to-find-out-more-1-8197009 (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/lucrative-business-is-up-for-grabs-and-hartlepool-s-the-place-to-find-out-more-1-8197009)
Quote from: testing times on October 24, 2016, 03: PM
Perhaps someone will correct me if I'm wrong but don't the majority, if not all, the current batch of wind-turbines emanate from Germany? For the life of me I fail to see why the UK isn't capable of producing its own. You would think that an island with a coastline like ours would be at the forefront of such technology.
On the aviation point, I would agree with that save to point out that the two areas are not unrelated.
Actually no http://www.4coffshore.com/windfarms/windfarms.aspx?windfarmid=UK36
Quote from: akarjl on October 24, 2016, 07: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on October 23, 2016, 01: PM
When you look closely at our 5000 unemployed you will find that a large proportion have drink, drug, discipline or some form of mental illness.
Then look at the % of either lazy folk or those that prefer moonlighting or even lazy-itis.
The 5000 is now 500 hence the next Nissan or Hitachi will look elsewhere.
Our bright young students will go to university and not return, you can't blame the council for that either.
Like most of the North East we are a holding town for the old, lazy and uneducated, many of our adults can barely read or write.
Thats why we are left with no facilities like Hospitals, Courts and a proper newspaper.
I would hate to be around in 50 years, god help us :'(
Let me guess you would have them all flogged at dawn them stick em in the Army to learn some discipline guy.......?
Where exactly do the figures you quote come from ? The Viz book of political research?
When did you attend one of our local schools and see the next generation studying and passing exams?
The problem or part of the problem is funding for regeneration or jobs being placed in the hands of a group of people who have never had a real job in their lives and look upon funding as a private source of "venture" capital or hope to turn Hartlepool into some kind of Pink theme park pandering to their bizarre view of normal life I.e don't bother working for a living milk the public purse and mince your way up the ladder ....a heck of an example to the next generation.
A huge problem is the labour part looking back ( or behind them perhaps it's a necessary precaution when dealing with Mr and Mrs)
Get real the pits will never open again, we won't be producing steel, ships will never be built in Hartlepool again consequently neither will marine engines ( look it up = Richardson s)
If the piggies bothered raising their snouts out of the trough they would see the North Sea.
Two things are going to happen there over next few years
Wind farms
Dogger Bank wind farm biggest in world 7-10 year build
Anglian 1 400 towers 7 year build
Beatrice 5 years
Forget the fantasy that they won't be built they will and Hartlepool is well placed to be heavily involved in planning fabrication construction and operation of these assets.
Decommissioning
As assets age and are shut down the governments of Europe demand they are de commissioned and all trace removed. Read that again...all
Able marine I ramping up for the shell Brent but the word in the marine sector is that the big boom period will be 2017 to 2020 and onwards.
These are the industries the fantasists at hbc should be pointing their snouts at....not bloody second hand shops and redeveloping the marina yet again.
Ditto.....wish I had thought ot that.... 1 thing for certain, none of The LabTorMob could have thought of that.
Scabs and Co need to spend less time on facial book and twatter and maybe occasionally do some research on Linkedin......
https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/decomm/122339/decom-series-turf-wars-north-seas-next-30-years/
Note "30 years"
blyth is where i started serving my time
with old ernie colpitt
Quote from: steveL on October 24, 2016, 03: PM
Bit of a coincidence but worth a look. Just one thing about the Combined Authority - since pushing us all into this without a referendum CAB has failed to attend any of its monthly meetings other than the initial, inaugural meeting. I think he managed to send Cranney to one as his Deputy.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/lucrative-business-is-up-for-grabs-and-hartlepool-s-the-place-to-find-out-more-1-8197009 (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/lucrative-business-is-up-for-grabs-and-hartlepool-s-the-place-to-find-out-more-1-8197009)
CAB was on local TV news last week, on a jolly to London with his CA cohorts for a meeting with Majid Javid.
Obviously very selective as to which meetings he attends, it was also noticeable that there wasn't much communication with him from the others.
I realise as a 'remainer' I'm in the minority on this forum but in light of recent news I thought I'd dredge up this thread.
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It'll be interesting to see, following Brexit and the current political climate in the North East, what NISSAN decide regarding production of their new car next month.
Is it a good time commit billions of pounds worth of investment into the North East of a country about to leave the biggest trading economy of the planet, if you're a foreign multi national company?
Time will tell.
That quote was from 2 years ago.
The next few months are going to get messy. The Tories during a long period in government usually find a way to make the pound crash. It looks like that time is coming again.
Quote from: DRiddle on February 03, 2019, 01: PM
I realise as a 'remainer' I'm in the minority on this forum but in light of recent news I thought I'd dredge up this thread.
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It'll be interesting to see, following Brexit and the current political climate in the North East, what NISSAN decide regarding production of their new car next month.
Is it a good time commit billions of pounds worth of investment into the North East of a country about to leave the biggest trading economy of the planet, if you're a foreign multi national company?
Time will tell.
That quote was from 2 years ago.
The next few months are going to get messy. The Tories during a long period in government usually find a way to make the pound crash. It looks like that time is coming again.
I agree with you on this. The north east is going to be hit very badly from Brexit and sadly jobs will be lost with no plans to replace them or just ones requiring little skills. For many years the North East was not ignored with significant public sector jobs growth and UK as well as EU government grants for them enabled employment to find but that is not the case now and never can be again without substantial tax increases. We are a small nation in a globalised world.
I was going to continue with more reasons but the BBC article sums it up well..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47115753
And the way to redress the issue? ...only elect educated individuals that can agree on sonething or things?
So were does that leave us? What do we need, versus, what have we got!!!! What have we got, or left with, that could remotely be trusted or relied upon? To do the right thing or things!!! There are those that try, often with such futility, that, the only option readily available is to , well, walk, dispence with ones own services for no other reason, than it is futile to consider future progression, you are damned beyond all hope. Damned if you do and Damned if you do. There is....only...One End for you, the little guy.