Word reaches me from Labour sources (yes that's right Christopher) that there's currently a battle going on for committee chairs with the Labour group.
The moderates within their group want Lesley Hamilton to take over the good work done by Alan Clark, where is the SCABAL are wanting...... wait for it....... mad dog.
The woman who left her own kids in Rotherham wants to be in charge of the well being of children in Hartlepool?!?! Well, she wants the money that goes with the role at least. You genuinely couldn't write this stuff if it was a sitcom.
In a second battle the respected Dave Hunter is having to fend of a challenge for his chair on Neighborhoods from....... SAB.
Honestly, there are 6 or 7 of the '31 per-centers' up in 12 months time and Chris is looking at putting vulnerable kids under the guidance of mad dog and leaving the seaton parking fiasco to Stephen.
Crazy.
errrrrrrrrmmmm Will the Boy in a Mans Body be up to it, if he ends up as chair of neighbourhoods I can see that committee breaking attendance records, irate Seatonians could well besiege him as he 'Conducts his Meatnuns'
Unless of course, both he and Mad Dog are suspended for inappropriate language and behaviour towards 2 PHF councillors in the members lounge prior to the last full council meeting........ Any investigation should only take a few minutes, the Monitoring Officer only need to listen to a recording of Mad Dogs invective filled comments to come to a decision. ::)
This has nothing to do with who is the best person for the role of Chairman its simply about the pigs wanting to be at the deepest end of the trough.
Without a doubt Cllr Dave Hunter has shown himself to be an outstanding chairman, especially from a public not party point of view, he was unlucky to have inherited some of Mad Dogs c**k ups, but he has tried to find a way out of the mess she left behind her.
SAB would be a joke as Chair of Neighbourhood Services, lets face it 'the boy in a mans body' appears to be semi literate, has a short attention span and has absolutely no inter personal skills, (Although I'll give the fookwit this, compared to Mad Dog he's marginally better, in the same way one would compare herpes to syph).
The role of Chair of Children's Services needs a person with compassion, empathy and a degree of intelligence, it also needs to be a person who can work with others and have the ability to listen to professional advice. In my opinion Mad Dog has non of these qualities, her bombastic aggressive manner would do more harm than good.
Both Mad Dog and 'The boy in a mans body' in my opinion have shight interpersonal skills, the poor Officers who would have to work with these two jokers must be dreading the prospect of it. Little wonder HBC loses so many good Officers
I don't know Lesley Hamilton but I'm 100% certain she'd be 100% better than Mad Dog.
I wonder how long before we see at least two more decent Labour Councillor walking away from Calamity Chris and his cabal. It would be interesting if a few did go, it would put the 'odious little t*a*' in a more powerful position, I wonder if Calamity would be willing to be even more 'accommodating' to keep him sweet.
CAB Civic Leader, in your dream son
Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 07, 2018, 05: PM
SAB would be a joke as Chair of Neighbourhood Services, lets face it 'the boy in a mans body' appears to be semi literate
Was he not the one who sat through a Finance Committee and then at the end piped up ''what does HMRC mean?''
Quote from: mk1 on May 07, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 07, 2018, 05: PM
SAB would be a joke as Chair of Neighbourhood Services, lets face it 'the boy in a mans body' appears to be semi literate
Was he not the one who sat through a Finance Committee and then at the end piped up ''what does HMRC mean?''
I always thought that was Carl Richardson, I doubt he's ever paid into the system
Yeah I can confirm that was Carl. Understandable when you consider he hasn't had a job since Duran Duran released their debut single.
How can a supposed "Socialist" go through life without having any meaningful employment, even more ironic, a Supposed Socialists who's main source of income has been for donkey's years,
from the public purse.
Never understood why SAB stepped down from chair of planning - or was he pushed by Cook, who's natural charm & reason may have persuaded him.
I would have thought he would have been out of harms way receiving guidance from the right-wing faction of the Hartlepool Labour Party and a canny little earner to boot
We all know the it is going to be emperors new clothes.
What some regard as a disaster is a reason to pop open the socialist champagne for others.
Lots of developments regarding this pantomime and as expected Cwistopher is making a real hash of it. I won't go into all the details because to be honest it's easier to just let him crack on with it, and opposition councillors and supporters can just sit back and watch their group implode due to poor leadership.
The way I see it, Cwistopher has now backed himself into a corner and is stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place.
If he sticks to what HE wants (Mad Dog and the handsome one as chairs) he runs the risk of at least 3, possibly even 4 or 5, of his councillors walking and the council will fall into a 'no overall control' type situation, although Wells will unofficially prop him up.
Given the way the mainstream media spun the overall situation in the local elections, making out Labour and Corbyn has a nightmare when they actually did quite well, imagine what the national media will do with Hartlepool council NOT having a majority of Labour councillors.
That's his first option.
The second option is to back down, do a big U-turn, appoint the other two other contenders as the chairs and no doubt CLAIM that was his intention all along. If he does that, he might just cling on to the 'leadership' for another few months. BUT in doing so he'll have shown himself to have no real leadership qualities at all. In effect, another councillor will already be essentially running the group in all but name.
My guess is he'll bottle it and he won't dare let SAB or Mad Dog anywhere near those committee chair positions.
In fact, I dare him to prove me wrong.
It's a question of does he go with Handsome Ste so he gains another £8k..... with the possiblity / probability of CAB losing £23k......and the household allowances drop to £16k
Or, does he eat humble pie and keep the status quo ?.....household allowances remain at £39k.
Errr which will it be.... eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catch a hypocrite by the toe
I think (hope) he'll go with his ego
My take on this farce is, Chwissy may well be leader of the Council but his husband rules the roost and will go ape if CAB does not give him a chairman's allowance.
Poor Calamity Chris's life must be an emotional roller coaster right now. I understand they are having a special meeting to look at damage limitation, that suggests, he's given in to 'The boy in a man's body' and Mad Dog.
Can things get any worse? well yes, guess who's just joined the Labour Party.
Quoteguess who's just joined the Labour Party.
Barclay's little dog? Mad Dog's better half? Cranney's wife (number 6)? Angie's daughter?
Quote from: DRiddle on May 09, 2018, 05: PM
Barclay's little dog? Mad Dog's better half? Cranney's wife (number 6)? Angie's daughter?
I think he is referring to a bloke who likes to make jokes about ping-pong balls......shades of sticky Vicky!
Warning: Do not search for Sticky Vicky on Youtube if you are easily offended!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5EA2g3nZWo
So it's official - Dave Hunter out SAB in - can't begin to imagine why.
Haven't heard about Child services????
Arrogance, greed and incompetence wins over common sense once again. If they have gone with SAB for Neighbourhood Services then I would be surprised if MD doesn't get children's services. Time will tell.
We can but hope that a few councillors grow a pair at last and actually walk.
I can't help thinking that it was more than just the money that was behind this. I wouldnt surprise me if the green eyed monster was at play. I suspect that certain people were jealous of Dave's popularity and ability to interact sensibly with the public. Try as hard as you like Stephen but you will never be a popular bloke.
Word has it that Brenda Loynes has Children's Services.
Myself and others saw this coming months and months ago. Spend 5 minutes taking to Dave Hunter and it's very clear he has a brain and a large slice of morality.
Which isn't something you can say for various other councillors.
It's taken Dave a little longer than I'd hoped to realise and accept what a bunch of (insert word of choice) he's dealing with, but to be fair, the political situation in Hartlepool is so surreal it's hard to actually get your head around it at times.
I've been posting on this board for about 7 years or so and I think I've got a fairly decent record for predictions. Two things will happen now. Either the nodding dogs continue to nod and labour WILL finally lose overall control in 2019, or Carl will realise why we left him safe in Victoria Ward and help the braver sheep do what's needed to save any semblance of credibity left in the local labour group.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 10, 2018, 08: PM
Word has it that Brenda Loynes has Children's Services.
Wonder who will get Licensing?
A full public gallery for SABS 1st Neighbourhood Services meattun could well see The Boy in a Mans Body go into a Full Hissy Fit Meltdown......
Quote from: DRiddle on May 10, 2018, 08: PM
Myself and others saw this coming months and months ago. Spend 5 minutes taking to Dave Hunter and it's very clear he has a brain and a large slice of morality.
Which isn't something you can say for various other councillors.
It's taken Dave a little longer than I'd hoped to realise and accept what a bunch of (insert word of choice) he's dealing with, but to be fair, the political situation in Hartlepool is so surreal it's hard to actually get your head around it at times.
I've been posting on this board for about 7 years or so and I think I've got a fairly decent record for predictions. Two things will happen now. Either the nodding dogs continue to nod and labour WILL finally lose overall control in 2019, or Carl will realise why we left him safe in Victoria Ward and help the braver sheep do what's needed to save any semblance of credibity left in the local labour group.
Two points;
Carl Richardson has been a Councillor in this town for almost 40 years, what has he achieved? Carl likes to think of himself as King Maker, in effect he just sits and waits to see who's holding the aces them jumps on the band wagon, its always what in Carl's best interest.
As far as waiting for a few of the Labour group to cross the floor, I doubt it, the reality they will continue to do what they have always done; bend over and grab their ankles and think of the promised land.
Few of them would be electable without the Labour party branding.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 11, 2018, 07: AM
Quote from: DRiddle on May 10, 2018, 08: PM
Myself and others saw this coming months and months ago. Spend 5 minutes taking to Dave Hunter and it's very clear he has a brain and a large slice of morality.
Which isn't something you can say for various other councillors.
It's taken Dave a little longer than I'd hoped to realise and accept what a bunch of (insert word of choice) he's dealing with, but to be fair, the political situation in Hartlepool is so surreal it's hard to actually get your head around it at times.
I've been posting on this board for about 7 years or so and I think I've got a fairly decent record for predictions. Two things will happen now. Either the nodding dogs continue to nod and labour WILL finally lose overall control in 2019, or Carl will realise why we left him safe in Victoria Ward and help the braver sheep do what's needed to save any semblance of credibity left in the local labour group.
Two points;
Carl Richardson has been a Councillor in this town for almost 40 years, what has he achieved? Carl likes to think of himself as King Maker, in effect he just sits and waits to see who's holding the aces them jumps on the band wagon, its always what in Carl's best interest.
As far as waiting for a few of the Labour group to cross the floor, I doubt it, the reality they will continue to do what they have always done; bend over and grab their ankles and think of the promised land.
Few of them would be electable without the Labour party branding and they know it.
Almost 40 years as a councilor....for how many of those years did he actually have a job, you know, were you get up at 6am get your work clothes on, have breakfast and leave the house for your place of work.
The next 8/ 10/ 12 or 15 hours depending on the job you have, are spent earning a living for yourself and your family, to pay your rent or mortgage, to feed, clothe and generally provide for you and your family....... but mainly to give yourself self respect.
Socialist values are based on self respect, hard work, pride, principles, integrity....... am I alone in thinking that to have public money as your main source of income indicates that you lack 1 or more of those qualities ?
I just find it interesting that the 4 or 5 decent members of the Labour group can't see what's coming. Either that or they don't feel they're in a position to act on it.
Let's look ahead to 2019. Based on two weeks ago the voting pattern was as follows.
Manor = Labour majority +399
De Bruce = Labour majority +465
Victoria = Labour majority +514
Rural West = Labour Majority (essentially I know it's 'Tory') + 823
Labour have incumbents in all of those seats and will defend (and win) all 4 of them in 2019 almost certainly. That keeps them at 19 seats plus the Tory one.
Seaton = Independent majority +1071. That'll stay indy in 2019. So they're still at 19.
But then it gets interesting.
Burn Valley = Independent Majority +267 (Could go indy again if Hunter walks the floor and defends it)
Fens and Rossmere = Independent majority +108. (Could go indy again as slim jim 'I don't need the money' Lindridge crashes.)
Hart = independent majority +93 (Could go indy again as Beck steps down)
Headland and Harbour = Independent majority +81 (Doctor Pothole is toast especially if N.K stands).
The balance of power in the council could well depend on what happens in Jesmond (Labour majority of +73) and Foggy Furze (labour majority +105).
And who is likely to be defending those seats.... Mammy Belcher and Cranney.
I'd say at BEST Labour will have 17 seats in May 2019, if Belcher stays in charge.... it could be 15 or 16.
It takes a special kind of incompetence to reduce what was recently 23 seats and get it down to marginal control. All of this under a Tory government doing Hartlepool no favours at all, band in the middle of a traditionally Labour heartland. Labour under a real leader, with real Labour councillors and the scum removed would be winning wards by the thousand. Instead they're scraping home and only winning their REALLY safe seats, fielding (largely) nodding dogs, drunks and simpletons as candidates.
When you consider Dr Pothole won his seat by 21 votes, and last week Labour took Jesmond by just 73 and Foggy Furze by just 105, you only need a small shift in the labour vote in those wards.
If 11 of Dr Potholes supporters had voted for UKIP (his closest challenger at the time), 37 of Paddy's Labour voters had gone instead for PHF and Kieth Dawkins, and 53 of the idiots who voted for Ann Marshall had gone for Darren Price, Labour could have dropped 3 seats off just a swing of 101 votes.
We're FINALLY 12 months away from a situation where the council COULD fall from Labour's overall control.
A couple of years back i mentioned how the council hung on around 500 votes in key wards. We're down to just 101 now. Keep up the good work Cwris. ;)
Who is N. K? Got a mental block on that one I'm afraid ;D
New to our front page - a page which is, by the way, currently being revamped.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/news/38/Local-News/Governance/May-10-2018/SAB-Apointed-Chair-of-Neighbourhood-Services
Headland and Harbour = Independent majority +81 (Doctor Pothole is toast especially if N.K stands).
Who is N. K? Got a mental block on that one I'm afraid ;D
NK = North Korea.....Kim il Jong is thinking of standing as an Indie.....his reasoning being that he's got a very good chance of winning as he'll be seen on the Headland more than Doc Pot ;D ;D
The way I see it the Labour vote is being centralised in the town. On the west side there is Seaton Carew which currently holds 3 Ind seats and the Fens which has 2 seats - I'm pretty sure Moneybags, who is up next year, won't get back in.
On the East side there is Headland & Harbour where it is most probable that Dr Pothole will bomb - that's based on the fact that Tim Fleming got back in, so I can't see that changing. Hart had an Independent re-elected so the big Fibber may struggle and if the trend continues so will Jean Robinson. That leaves Rural West with 3 Conservatives.
That means on the outskirts of the town there will be 12 Independents and 3 Conservative.
Within the town there are 3 independent Councillors which means potentially we will have 15 Independent and 15 Labour - decision time for Raymondo. However if 2 Labour Councillors walk it's curtains for CAB - here's hoping
I see Ann Marshall is being her usual charming self on Facebook regarding this issue. It's clear that Dave's popularity has not made him popular within the SCABS inner circle.
Carry on posting Ann! ;D
Quote from: Foggy on May 11, 2018, 07: PM
I see Ann Marshall is being her usual charming self on Facebook regarding this issue. It's clear that Dave's popularity has not made him popular within the SCABS inner circle.
Carry on posting Ann! ;D
An interesting quote from Ann Marshall......
"Big thank you to Stephen, Christopher and my labour colleagues and friends for helping me in the Foggy Furze ward" So nothing is going to change with Ann Marshalls voting habits then..... Yes Cwistopher.... No Cwistopher......3 Bags Full Cwistopher.
So much for the b****x about changing things from the inside, she was only elected a week ago and she's kissing the SCABAL'S collective a**e from the off...... :-*
She's just relieved she can finally pack in at ASDA and trouser a few hundred quid a month for saying "for" now and again.
I would expect someone who has worked in customer service to demonstrate better interpersonal skills than she does. Maybe a little tact and diplomacy... All I see is arrogance and bitterness.
Some highlights:
"Everyone in the labour group has the opportunity to put their name forward for all positions. It is not a god given right that you get what you have had before. Everyone had a vote. That's democracy. It does not stop you being a councillor. In fact it frees you up to work your ward."
"I could say why did some vote for a newby instead of me with 8 years previous experience. It doesn't work like that. That did not happen by the way but it could have. I'm still a new councillor."
"Yes. That's why the paperwork was given out a month before election. You have plenty of time to consider your options. I didn't get what I wanted so what. I will still be a good councillor."
"Ask Dave Hunter. It's not my place. It was a vote. End of."
"It's not like that at all. I'm getting ready for work. Yes it was a free vote."
Democracy?.. a free vote?! Ha ha ha ha!
At least some of the sheep have the sense to keep quiet and avoid publicly endorsing idiotic decisions. Ann is different... this is going to be entertaining! ;D
Quote from: Foggy on May 11, 2018, 07: PM
I see Ann Marshall is being her usual charming self on Facebook regarding this issue. It's clear that Dave's popularity has not made him popular within the SCABS inner circle.
Carry on posting Ann! ;D
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1487287244900582/
clp at it also Town Of Hartlepool Politics. Dave Hunter could you confirm that you actually applied for the position please? Then maybe someone may post on here who the candidates were and how the vote went (although I realise maybe numbers are not allowed to be released)
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Jo Josephine Spires
Jo Josephine Spires Forgive me if I'm wrong but this is a bit of a silly question Dave has put in his status that he lost the vote so that would imply he had applied to carry on in the position he has worked so hard in.
Dave Hunter always appeared to get pushed into the firing line. I would say he has been used by the mob for a long time.
Look how Mad dog stepped aside so he could take the flack for the Seaton Parking fiasco.
He was obviously between a rock and a hard place when it came to the 31% pay rise.
Such a shame if he doesn't walk and stand up for himself.
It's now time for Dave Hunter and the other 'Labour councillors' to make a decision, do they continue along the SCABAL'S toxic pseudo labour path or do they do the right thing and sort out what's wrong within the HCLP.
If they can't do that, it isn't the labour party I suspect most of them want to be a part of, they should recognise that and bring it down by whatever means needed.
If it takes the long walk across the chamber they should do it, they wouldn't be betraying their integrity or their socialist principles, they would be putting the people of Hartlepool before the interests of the self serving carpetbaggers.
But they won't.
clp at it also Town Of Hartlepool Politics. julie clayton Dave Hunter could you confirm that you actually applied for the position please? Then maybe someone may post on here who the candidates were and how the vote went (although I realise maybe numbers are not allowed to be released)
Jo Josephine Spires Forgive me if I'm wrong but this is a bit of a silly question Dave has put in his status that he lost the vote so that would imply he had applied to carry on in the position he has worked so hard in.
· THEY JUST CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES HER AND ANN noticed that dave did not comment on their comms
Quote from: Foggy on May 11, 2018, 10: PM
I would expect someone who has worked in customer service to demonstrate better interpersonal skills than she does. Maybe a little tact and diplomacy... All I see is arrogance and bitterness.
Some highlights:
"Everyone in the labour group has the opportunity to put their name forward for all positions. Everyone, really? It is not a god given right that you get what you have had before. Did God tell you that?Everyone had a vote. That's democracy. No it's democracy when you use it.It does not stop you being a councillor. In fact it frees you up to work your ward."Let's hope some of the Politburo get freed up to work in their wards soon
"I could say why did some vote for a newby instead of me with 8 years previous experience.Experience of what? Rejection by other wards? It doesn't work like that. That did not happen by the way but it could have. I'm still a new councillor."Always the bridesmaid eh?
"Yes. That's why the paperwork was given out a month before election. You have plenty of time to consider your options. I didn't get what I wanted so what. I will still be a good councillor."The electorate will decide if you're a hood Councillor
"Ask Dave Hunter. It's not my place. It was a vote. End of."
"It's not like that at all. I'm getting ready for work. Yes it was a free vote."
Ay another one that somehow managed to waddle along fast enough to be able to jump on the back of the SCABAL s***cart.
Maybe the s***cart has an handbrake to slow it down momentarily so compliant waddlers can jump or be pulled on board?