"It is the responsibility of us to always listen to residents and meet their needs wherever possible." Christopher Akers-Belcher 10th February.
The Leader made the above comment after Mad Dog buckled to the wishes of a few dozen allotment holders - 3,500 signed the petition to stop these parking charges being introduced.
By my reckoning, if the council are right and these charges bring in £140,000 per year with £60,000 start-up costs then it will take 3 years to recoup the losses of the Inspirations Cafe and what about all those who pay for a permit to park outside their homes? Wonder how they take the news that residential permits will be free in Seaton?
What a farce.
Bit of spin at work here. The £140,000 'loss' in parking charge revenue is not really a loss at all; it's just that they didn't make as much money from parking charges as their budget had suggested that they would. The reason for that is that fewer and fewer people are doing their shopping at Middleton Grange.
Started the work last week.Obvious stitch up.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/seaton-parking-charges-due-to-be-introduced-despite-protests-1-8401212
For all the talk of attracting more visitors to Seaton, the only concrete thing that has happened so far is the council deciding to tax anyone that does. This shows all the business instinct of one of Cranney's 26 failed enterprises
Quote from: steveL on February 21, 2017, 12: PM
Bit of spin at work here. The £140,000 'loss' in parking charge revenue is not really a loss at all; it's just that they didn't make as much money from parking charges as their budget had suggested that they would. The reason for that is that fewer and fewer people are doing their shopping at Middleton Grange.
So the deficit is just a failure to attain a budgeted target. Trouble is, the budgeted target should be arrived at after assessing the situation and not just ploughing on.
The short fall is a guesstimate of projected income and not a loss.
She's being torn apart via the comments on the mail online.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/seaton-parking-charges-due-to-be-introduced-despite-protests-1-8401212
I almost feel sorry for her.
Almost. ::)
Quote from: DRiddle on February 21, 2017, 07: PM
She's being torn apart via the comments on the mail online.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/seaton-parking-charges-due-to-be-introduced-despite-protests-1-8401212
I almost feel sorry for her.
Almost. ::)
The milk of human kindness is distinctly curdled ... ;)
Where does this decision originate from, officers or councillors ?
I'm surprised there hasn't been the usual U turn where they cave in to pressure and proclaim themselves saviours for stopping something they started and slapping themselves on the back.
How many Labour councillors are there in Seaton ?
It really shows what HBC think of the people of Hartlepool when they set the parking hours between 8am and 8pm. Deliberately to get as many people paying, as they can! Many people will enjoy a stroll, jog or cycle along the prom or beach, early evening...after 6, I dare say. If they now have to pay for their short daily exercise, then I reckon they won't bother! What effect will this have on people's health, not to mention the businesses in Seaton! I wonder if HBC has done an Impact Assessment in regards to health.
The only positive thing that I hope will come from this is that the LabTor scum who voted for this will not get re-elected. The Hartlepool / Seaton folks need to be reminded often, especially at election time!
None..... the LabTor Mob aren't going to spend any money when they know they won't win a seat in the ward..... so they have stuck it to Seetun Crew......... does anyone think the LabMob would charge for parking if Seaton had 3 labour councillors........ what a shower of s***e they are.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04rmd3m
2 hours 6 minutes into the broadcast onwards is all to do with the issue of the car parking.
Quote from: DRiddle on February 21, 2017, 07: PM
She's being torn apart via the comments on the mail online.
I made the mistake of offering her a mild rebuke once at Hartlepool Railway Station. The haradin went straight into a full meltdown and let loose a screeching torrent of expletive laden invective. Startled passengers were flecked with spittle as she writhed in apoplectic rage. The mute muppet who acompanies her everywhere never even blinked once. He must be used to the outbursts.
She really is as vile as she is made out to be and from her reaction it is clear she is not used to being bearded.
Never have I seen a woman whos physical appearence was such an accurate reflection of her character.
"And ye shall judge them by the company they keep".
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Hear Mad Dog lie her ar*se off from 2h:51m.20seconds
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04rmd3m
I'd only heard about her reputation on the Post and as I'd not been to a council meeting before, had never seen her 'perform', so to speak! Cue the Allotments Rent Rises meeting ( the Tuesday one) ::) with a full house of irate gardeners! At one point, she lost it and accused someone (who was asking a question) of not being who he said he was! After he proved...YES...PROVED...who he was, all he got was a grumbling, insincere grunt of an excuse for an apology! Not a momentous event with her outburst, I grant you...but enough for me to know that she's definitely NOT 100%. Anyway, I think she's been sent away for re-programming!
Btw, mk1...did you manage to remove any of her acid laden spit and bile from your clothes after your encounter...or did you just burn them?
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on February 21, 2017, 10: PM
Btw, mk1...did you manage to remove any of her acid laden spit and bile from your clothes after your encounter...or did you just burn them?
https://youtu.be/BHSf7MXTlKM?t=22s
Be careful MK1 she'll have you 'banged up' if she knows who you are.
If that does happen can I recommend Hartlepool's plods finest chicken pot noddles, but don't drink the tea I've heard they put something in it to supress sexual passions. At least it would stop you dreaming about that woman
What infuriates me about this is that Seaton seemed to be getting its act together and was definitely on the up, one eyesore apart. It's always busy at weekends and even during the week especially summer evenings.
Enter the Gumbys. Everything is going smoothly and this lot announce they're going to make things better by discouraging visitors. Eh? Unless of course visitors are going to turn up for the parking experience ?
Can someone explain to me how the Gumbys can approve anything, what exactly is their qualifications in matters such as this or is or anything come to that. Nodding dogs.
They have a free year as there are no Council elections this year. They think they can do what they like as we will forget about it by the time the elections come round in May 2018.
I understand md is up for re-election so expect some Manor give always by this time next year. After all what are Ward Budgets for?
Flyers on every car up the Manor for the 2018 elections.
Something needs to be done to make the nursing home postal votes more trustworthy.
What is obvious to many people, is the community spirit shown by residents of Seaton Village, that spirit could be the undoing of some of the LabMob candidates, especially MD I can well imagine a large number of leafleteers supporting a candidate against her next May.
In the case of the Seaton parking charges........The LabTor Mob quite clearly haven't heard that old expression..... If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Not the brightest button in the box is our Marj. Notice how she vehemently denies the rumour that the ticket machines are in the process of being installed but then inadvertently admits that they have already been placed on order.
I have it from a good source that the decision to do this was made at a private meeting in December.
Also, a sign on the sea front car park at the Newburn bridge end states the car parks are free, open to use between 8 am and 6 pm. So the vile m**r*n has added two hours on as well.
Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed springs to mind, corruption, incompetence and stupidity running through them like Blackpool Rock
A friend of mine was at the meeting with the allotment holders where MD accused a questioner of not being who he said he was, I think he was the chairman of the allotment holders group. She said he was "someone else". When the "somone else" who was in the same meeting room identified himself, MD was left looking like the stupid creature she is. After that the cries of "I am Spartacus" was ringing in her ears. She was however, publicly put in her place and shut TFU.
IQ testing should be a pre-requisite for public office, those scoring below 100 should not be allowed to stand. I suspect the cabal that run the town, the 2 SCAB's, MD, Cranny, Richardson, RMW's would struggle to make 600 in a joint score between them. The other willfully purjered clown Beck could add another 90. What a shower, what a shame for this town
[premiumbeat]http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/media/marj on seaton parking.mp3[/premiumbeat]
Cllr Marjorie James speaking on BBC Radio Tees
ah so it's nothing to do with the £140,000 shortfall from town centre parking because more and more people are going elsewhere to do their shopping. i didn't realise that it's all to do with safety.
Now will someone explain to me how bringing in parking charges will stop people parking where they shouldn't and why they had already ordered the ticket before the meeting had taken place?
Quote from: Shepherd on February 22, 2017, 10: AM
IQ testing should be a pre-requisite for public office, those scoring below 100 should not be allowed to stand. I suspect the cabal that run the town, the 2 SCAB's, MD, Cranny, Richardson, RMW's would struggle to make 600 in a joint score between them. The other willfully purjered clown Beck could add another 90. What a shower, what a shame for this town
The joys of having party politics in local government. Thanks to that, any oaf can get elected by being taught a couple of lines parrot fashion, a ward were the voters vote out of habit and a willingness to nod their head on cue. It's also helpful if they are prepared to do as told to when told to,
When you look at the 'elite' leading the minions, you realise the minions must have the IQ of pond life.
Hopefully the meters they have ordered won't take the new pound coins.
The committee which is involved, presumably had the funds available for this year's budget.
In order not to lose it, they would have had to spend it before April.
The new parking meters will make some drivers seek out free parking which will have knock-on results for properties in the area. This means the provision of residential permits, free this year, but as sure as eggs are eggs, will need a payment in future.
Another potential problem is the one hour disc parking at the park. This is used by patients visiting Seaton Surgery, and although it is easy to park there at the moment, the new payment system may put pressure on spaces available.
With the introduction of new road furniture, road paint, wardens, fines, and disgruntled motorists, is it really worth the bother?
If people are parking on the zig-zag lines, which I know they do, then they should be issued with tickets because they are breaking the law. The issue then is one of enforcement, or rather the lack of it.
I listened to the Radio Tees interview and it's very obvious that Councillor James lied throughout the whole interview. I for one, would like to know when these ticket machines were ordered. It's getting towards the end of February and to get these machines ordered, delivered and installed, along with whatever other changes have to be made, not least the recruitment of additional staff to enforce the parking regime, by April 1st is fanciful.
Unless, that is, the wheels were put into motion long before Monday's committee meeting and tomorrow's council meeting.
I think everyone who's a regular on this forum has known for some time that most decisions are made long before the committee meetings which appear to make them.
If you trawl back through posts on here you'll find dozens of examples.
2 key examples which stick in my mind are the initial allocation of the two gypsy sites to Hart Village, and the removal of the town plan.
Both of those were 'common knowledge' on here and in the civic long before the pantomime committee meetings which claimed to make those decisions.
The attempts to claim the Seaton car parking decision was made this week are laughable.
Looks like Mad Dog has joined the list of congenital liars within the LabTor Mob........
Quote from: fred c on February 22, 2017, 06: PM
Looks like Mad Dog has joined the list of congenital liars within the LabTor Mob........
I thought that it was a prerequisite to being a LabTor councillor!
Things don't move quickly in Civic land. If the starting gun on all this wasn't fired until last Monday afternoon (strictly speaking, it shouldn't be fired until after it's been to full council) then that would give HBC around 5 to 6 weeks to get the ticket machines ordered, installed and operation by April. That's not really going to happen - like EVER.
I'm with FFS on this one. The go-ahead was given months ago.
At the risk of repeating myself, the spin is that HBC 'lost' £140,000 in parking charges last year when in fact, all that happened is that the council didn't make as much as expected from shopping centre car parking - i.e. its budget forecast was wrong. This shortfall, I would guess, is as a result of fewer people using the shopping centre for the obvious reasons; the shops are sh**e and the parking is either free or cheaper elsewhere. Only HBC, Denise Ogden and Mark Rycraft are unaware of this, apparently.
What would normally happen now if we were dealing with a 'normal' organisation, is that next year's budget forecast would be adjusted downwards to reflect the new circumstances i.e. the council now knows that last year's figure was over-optimistic and completely unrealistic, - this is how forecasting works.
Because HBC is not, in any sense of the word, a 'normal' organisation, what should be a budget forecast has been turned into a target and corrective action has been taken in order to make the actual figure match the forecast figure when normal practice would be to adjust future forecast figures to reflect actuals.
Why is it done like this?
Because the likes of Mad Marj, Cranney and the SCABS became councillors in order to spend money - your money - on things they like to spend it on; chiefly, self enrichment and getting re-elected. Anything that might lessen their ability to do so, such as the council living within its means is an anathema to them. These are the Wonga Managers, the buy-now-pay-later Managers, the 'I'll act as Guarantor for your daughter's 4x4, Angie' Managers, the runts of the litter that pinched their siblings Easter Eggs managers.
I can put all this much more succinctly.....
As a properly functioning entity, Hartlepool Borough Council is a complete f*c*-up.
It would be most detrimental to the businesses in Seaton, when they did this on Navigation Point it ruined a few people.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on February 22, 2017, 10: PM
It would be most detrimental to the businesses in Seaton, when they did this on Navigation Point it ruined a few people.
I would reckon that it did ruin a few people on Nav Point, TGD. As it happened, today I decided, on a whim, to take my dear ol' mam down to Nav Point , to buy her (and me!) some lunch. As soon as I turned into the road and saw that there was a parking charge (which I forgot, as I don't frequent the place!) I decided to leave! Principle not price! It looked like a ghost town anyway! We ended up in Morrisons...not exactly a lovely view from the windows...but it wasn't exactly summer, was it! Free parking and a fiver for fish and chips! Mini rant over! This Labour council will kill the town and it knows it! I sometimes wonder (not just after a bottle of red! ;D) if Hartlepool and its people, are part of some bizarre social experiment, the main purpose being to see just how much misery, crap, and sh**e the PTB/ Illuminatti (whatever you want to label them! )they can inflict upon us before we rebel / revolt. Yeh, they've been doing it for decades...and the people still vote them in! Doesn't bode well for the future of Hartlepool...if we have one!
As long as people vote for a party and not for a candidate we'll have this problem .
Most of these people would come second if they stood unopposed as independents.
Going back to the original mayoral election which was won by H'angus and not someone in a suit, it was merely the electorate's way of saying 'none of the others'.
I abhor the idea that these illiterates are in charge of my town, it's like watching a chimp sorting out a china cabinet.
There is a Full Council meeting at 7pm tonight. Agenda, reports and minutes ➡️️ www.hartlepool.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/3551/council
Agenda includes:- Throston and Seaton libraries are in poor condition and have exceeded their anticipated life span. (Does this mean we are now going to lose our library?)
Beach Safety Budget Pressure
One off funding has previously been approved to retain the Lifeguard
Service until 2016/17, on the basis that this service would be removed in 2017/18. The total value of this saving is £75,000 and for planning purposes the achievement of this saving was included in the updated budget forecasts considered by the Finance and Policy Committee on 20th June 2016. This was subject to the outcome of a service review to be considered by the relevant policy committee later in the year. The continuation of any service provision after 31st March 2017 will result in a future budget pressure of £67k. The service will provide a summer holiday only lifeguard service and paddling pool provision at Seaton Carew and the Headland. It is proposed that this pressure can be funded by introducing seasonal car parking charges and a separate report outlining this proposal is to be considered later in the meeting's agenda)
Quote from: AlnwickistThe service will provide a summer holiday only lifeguard service and paddling pool provision at Seaton Carew and the Headland. It is proposed that this pressure can be funded by introducing seasonal car parking charges and a separate report outlining this proposal is to be considered later in the meeting's agenda)
i thought the revenue from parking charges had to be used on transport infrastructure ?
I think at was clarified as parking fines.
thanks for clarifying that :)
If you haven't seen it...
https://youtu.be/Svv7ySlcYbo
You really have to wonder about the hypocrisy shown by this lot, Cllr Hunter spoke in support of & voted for the introduction of parking charges, then posted on Seaton Carew News FB Page.... what a "Brilliant Attraction" for Seaton the new Micro Pub will be....... you can only shake your head at his logic.
Hard to figure Hunter out. I gave his forever optimistic view a bit of space when he first appeared convinced that it was only a matter of time before he smelled the coffee but I now believe him to be olfactory deficient.
https://youtu.be/Wv_662IqKto
Hunter's a strange one. He's eager to give his views over facebook on groups like Town of Hartlepool, Seaton Carew News etc. but he shy's away very quickly from actually discussing a political issue linked to what it is he wants to chip in about.
Take earlier for example, there was some dialogue between Dave Hunter and Geoff Lilley about the new micro pub. Geoff asked Hunter WHY he voted for the parking charges in Seaton.
Hunter quickly shut the conversation down. . . but, said he looked forward to meeting with Geoff socially to discuss things.
I don't know how many seats 'room 101' has, but what with Jim Lindridge spilling the beans, and Hunter offering Marjorie's arch nemesis an olive branch... it could get pretty crowded in there.
Especially when they find out which one of them has been putting the word about regarding a certain UKIP councilor's antics at Christmas.
Apparently Cllr Hunter considers me to be a keyboard warrior...... if by that he means I have the interests of Hartlepool at heart & that I don't jump on CAB's shovel when he shouts s**t..... errrrmm I probably am.......... if on the other hand, I was an elected councillor who sold my soul for a committee chair or stood in full council & told blatant lies or stood idly bye whilst a council business premises happened to be losing £20,000 a year ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: DRiddle on February 27, 2017, 07: PM
Hunter's a strange one. He's eager to give his views over facebook on groups like Town of Hartlepool, Seaton Carew News etc. but he shy's away very quickly from actually discussing a political issue linked to what it is he wants to chip in about.
Take earlier for example, there was some dialogue between Dave Hunter and Geoff Lilley about the new micro pub. Geoff asked Hunter WHY he voted for the parking charges in Seaton.
Hunter quickly shut the conversation down. . . but, said he looked forward to meeting with Geoff socially to discuss things.
I don't know how many seats 'room 101' has, but what with Jim Lindridge spilling the beans, and Hunter offering Marjorie's arch nemesis an olive branch... it could get pretty crowded in there.
Especially when they find out which one of them has been putting the word about regarding a certain UKIP councilor's antics at Christmas.
Re a certain UKIP Councillors Christmas 'c**k up'. I was at 'West View Ferret and Turnip club' (pre breeding season) stud book editing meeting last week and the topic of Calamity being offended by someones politically incorrects remarks was mentioned, actually it slipped out over a small glass of benedictine.
Obviously the gathering were 'all ears' by such salacious gossip. Roll on the breeding season was the general view of members
I am afraid the hints are to subtle for me. I presume the actual word 'c**k' was used?
An Iron Hoof allusion?
Everyone knows that George is a born again Jesus freak - not the real one, obviously, but Jesus Schmidt formerly of the Allgemeine SS
We're sitting on this story at the moment while we await some verification but I'm already certain that if the real Jesus did make an appearance in George's life it would only be to give him a good clip round the ear..
In the video didn't md say "I pay" (about 10.40 in)
And yet how many times has she said in meetings "I don't drive" ?
There are so many holes in the case she makes, not least the shift in motivation from financial to safety because the finances simply don't stack up. Her comparison between Seaton Traders and those in Murray Street does not explain the freedom from any such charges at Wynyard shops where the same comparison could be made - fat chance of that though, eh Marj?
I've seen many of these dim-wits 'Chairing' meetings and they really haven't a clue. Notice how little other labour councillors contribute other than to say 'agree' at the appropriate moment and how much Marj's voice dominates proceedings. One of a Chairman's chief functions is to invite participation from around the table - perhaps a bit pointless when other Labour councillors have already been told where they stand. You can tell by the way that Denise Ogden and Marj race through the report that this is governance by decree and it's time everyone stopped pretending otherwise.
To me, Marj's only real use these days is to succinctly sum up everything that is wrong with HBC in one giant, amoeboid blob.
Quote from: steveL on February 27, 2017, 09: PM
Everyone knows that George is a born again Jesus freak - not the real one, obviously, but Jesus Schmidt formerly of the Allgemeine SS
When I first glimpsed this for a split second I thought it was Hartlepool..................oh that we could be so lucky!!!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-39110700
I believe George would feel more at home in SS-Totenkopfverbände.
I am still struggling to understand 'How' paying to park your car, will clear all the dog s***e from the promenade
Over to you MD........ ?
Front page of the Mail....... lets hear what Mad Dog has to say on this, it makes a mockery of the Seaton charges.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-council-extends-free-car-parking-in-shopping-centre-1-8412002
Did I miss something? MD was obviously trying to bully her way through the meeting and as usual not interested in anything that conflicted with her weird world view....fairness was mentioned and a ludicrous claim that it was not about money....so if fairness is an issue why are there NO parking meters on the car parks at the manor,Brenda road, the Museum of the Royal navy or whatever we are calling it this week and along the sea front on the headland?
Of course it is about money, when have the likes of Maddog done anything for reasons other than to ensure there are enough funds to pay them sit in on meetings?
The own goal by maddog re no seaton councillors being at meeting- response = "they are all at work" was hilarious.
Quote from: fred c on February 28, 2017, 06: AM
I am still struggling to understand 'How' paying to park your car, will clear all the dog s***e from the promenade
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-council-extends-free-car-parking-in-shopping-centre-1-8412002
Probably because there'll be no one there with a dog, or anything else come to that.
Quote from: Riddler5 on February 28, 2017, 06: AM
Quote from: fred c on February 28, 2017, 06: AM
I am still struggling to understand 'How' paying to park your car, will clear all the dog s***e from the promenade
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-council-extends-free-car-parking-in-shopping-centre-1-8412002
Probably because there'll be no one there with a dog, or anything else come to that.
Probably true, the "Mad One" doesn't drive and I suspect she would struggle to waddle her way to seaton.
You cannot argue with Marj. The woman is an idiot....
Watch the video - the subject is Parking Charges and in the middle of it all she comes up with, "The one group of people who have not been taken into account at all are the people who get the bus to Seaton."
Wonder why that is, Marj? . . . Yer thick bugger.
Quote from: steveL on February 27, 2017, 10: PM
There are so many holes in the case she makes, not least the shift in motivation from financial to safety because the finances simply don't stack up. Her comparison between Seaton Traders and those in Murray Street does not explain the freedom from any such charges at Wynyard shops where the same comparison could be made - fat chance of that though, eh Marj?
I've seen many of these dim-wits 'Chairing' meetings and they really haven't a clue. Notice how little other labour councillors contribute other than to say 'agree' at the appropriate moment and how much Marj's voice dominates proceedings. One of a Chairman's chief functions is to invite participation from around the table - perhaps a bit pointless when other Labour councillors have already been told where they stand. You can tell by the way that Denise Ogden and Marj race through the report that this is governance by decree and it's time everyone stopped pretending otherwise.
To me, Marj's only real use these days is to succinctly sum up everything that is wrong with HBC in one giant, amoeboid blob.
Over the years HBC has spent a considerable amount on money on Councillors development, one regular course used to be how to Chair a meeting.
It would be emphasided that a Chairperson was there to facilitate the meeting and not dominate it, to dyed in the wool Stalinists like Mad Dog this was seen as heresy.
Its ironic that Clamamity Chris has decided that the 'control freaks' are to Chair of the key Committees, when he promised openess and transparency.
The similarities to Stalins Russia are too close. I've heard yet another Seniour Officer has had enough of our Civic Leadership and will be putting thier notice in within a few weeks.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-council-extends-free-car-parking-in-shopping-centre-1-8412002
So the mothers who may have collected their kids from school are encouraged to head over to Middleton Grange shops rather than to Seaton Carew for some fresh air and dog spotting.
I guess that the car parks at the shopping centre at present are not full after 3 pm, so if more cars do head over there to fill the empty spaces, then the resulting loss to the council will be more than 20000 pounds.
So........,
I think it was very interesting when the blond woman on the left asked if there was an exit strategy if it all went pete tong.
I can only assume that it was MD who gave the response, where firstly she said it was all in the report, then at 12:40 she said "neither you nor I can know what what the impact will be [of introducing this measure].
Is that not the point of due diligence.
The decision was taken on the grounds that after six months the measure could be: -
1. Expanded
2. Removed altogether
She literally does not know what impact it will have.
Let me give a her a clue, previously free amenities are now going to cost, people will vote with their pockets and they will stop going. Even a 10% drop in numbers will impact businesses and I suspect the percentage will be much greater than that.
If I had a business in Seaton I would be getting out now before the hammer drops.
MD is economically illiterate and demonstrates all the business acumen of a benighted yokel.
As for "gusesstimate" on costs, you know its as good as putting a big pile of money into a heap and setting fire to it, then guessing how much you burned, divide it by three and then take two years to release the information to the public.
Marj admitted that introducing parking charges at Seaton means recruiting more enforcement officers so as well as the £60,000 set up costs we now have to add the costs of at least 2, possibly 3 enforcement officers. If you're looking for the figures of the total costs involved you won't find them - there aren't any. Nor are there any figures for the estimated number of visitors that would pay parking charges.
What we have here is another Inspirations Cafe with everything based on the personal opinions of an unemployed housewife from Arncliffe Gardens with a chip on her shoulder.
It's unlikely that the scheme will break even in the first year and the result will be that the charges will be both increased and extended and the free residential passes will fall by the way side and be brought into line with the rest of the town.
Read in the Mail article how the extra hour of free parking is expected to 'improve trade'. Does it not follow that the converse must also be true, introducing parking charges will have a negative effect on trade and at a time when they are telling us they want to increase visitors at Seaton?
There's not much point in over-analysing it. They just see it as a way of generating more cash for them to spend on fruit orchards.
We are dealing with imbeciles - that's the top and bottom of it.
Steve you seem to forget that the council follows the Cranny school of business in which it takes at least five years for any enterprise to show a profit therefore they cannot expect breakeven in only one year.
How would Cranny know, his business never last 5 years before going bust.
The whole thing is beyond belief.
Any officer working for HBC and holding a professional qualification should be well and truly ashamed of themselves for letting this happen.
Has Marj got compromising photos hidden away ?
Quote from: steveL on February 28, 2017, 11: AM
There's not much point in over-analysing it. They just see it as a way of generating more cash for them to spend on fruit orchards.
We are dealing with imbeciles - that's the top and bottom of it.
Comment of the month!
Lets face some simple facts about being an employee of HBC in any capacity, it is obvious that bullying by elected persons is a regular occurrence, I know of 2 mid level officers who had threats made against them by a councillor / councillors, that councillor / councillors also wanted the officers suspended pending an investigation into the facts surrounding an incident they witnessed.......they were fully justified in what they reported, very shortly afterwards they both left the employ of HBC.
I have no doubts, officers have & are placed under duress, the unfortunate consequences of that kind of pressure often ends in the employee adopting the attitude of 'I'll do anything for a quiet life'...... we have all witnessed the appalling behaviour in the council chamber by various councillors, if they are allowed to get away with that in public....... they can certainly get away with it in a closed environment.
Quote from: Topcat on February 28, 2017, 12: PM
Steve you seem to forget that the council follows the Cranny school of business in which it takes at least five years for any enterprise to show a profit therefore they cannot expect breakeven in only one year.
The only person at the council ever to make a profit was Angie Wilcox
I wonder what will happen 6 months down the line when they 'review' the whole scheme. If it's not financially viable and business are folding left, right and centre, what spin will they use to keep it going? Because they will keep it going no matter what... that's what they do, rather than admit they were wrong.
Quote from: Land Phil on February 28, 2017, 12: PM
Any officer working for HBC and holding a professional qualification should be well and truly ashamed of themselves for letting this happen.
Totally agree with this point. I've never understood quite why this can happen. It totally perplexes me how people like Gill Alexander (and Dave Stubbs before her), along with many others, go along with whatever idiotic plans the imbeciles dream up and don't appear to question or challenge anything. In fact, they protect and defend the imbeciles no matter what. Its bizarre... totally bizarre..
of course it will continue. There is no way they would spend £60,000 and then just write it off so soon because things didn't go according to plan. For one thing they'd be worried what the Post would have to say about the waste ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: marky on February 28, 2017, 02: PM
of course it will continue. There is no way they would spend £60,000 and then just write it off so soon because things didn't go according to plan. For one thing they'd be worried what the Post would have to say about the waste ;D ;D ;D
Your partly correct 'marky'......... they will wait 4 years, then let the cat out of the bag like they have did with The Cafe In The Crem.......
£380,000 Written Off
Looks like the parking meters will be busy= kerching
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/plans-for-music-festival-at-hartlepool-seafront-1-8415422 (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/plans-for-music-festival-at-hartlepool-seafront-1-8415422)
I don't suppose for a microsecond Mad Dog will be considering suspending charges that day? Probably not as it is not a Clowncil "charity".....
Meanwhile back at Muppet Control the Cookie Monster is planning Charity Curry nights at the Aldi Arms..........
Upto 10,000 people on the sewer plant car park.
Has somebody been in the vision juice again or are they employing the same person that counted the number of Tall Stories visitors ?
Same lot that arranged Miles for Men resulting in the facilities at the Domes being trashed?
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/marj%20hell%20bent%20on%20seaton%20charges.htm
nice one should set the ginger bi*ch off nicely ;D
then we are sure to have some load of b@lls drafted by Rae in the mail ;D ;D ;D
Any chance of renaming the old fairground car park as the Dick Turpin Memorial Community Parking Complex and Ub, they do like long winded, self important names after all.
https://youtu.be/pF4yaa-2eFk
A series of interviews regarding Seaton parking charges (thanks to JL)
Another c**k up by HBC, the introduction of parking charges at Seaton has to be delayed.
Despite being ordered prior to the decision being made, to introduce charges, the meters will not be delivered in time.
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/760/introduction_of_seaton_parking_charges_delayed
why does the phrase couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery come to mind
ooooo I bet mad dog marge is steaming ;D ;D ;D ;D
glad I'm not the cat
The meters were the wrong colour.
Press Release
Introduction of Seaton parking charges delayed
Published Thursday, 30th March 2017
THE introduction of parking charges at Seaton Carew is to be delayed.
Hartlepool Council planned to introduce the charges from Saturday (April 1) but it has been informed that the 15 pay and display ticket machines it has ordered will not now be supplied on time.
Tony Hanson, the Council's Assistant Director (Environment and Neighbourhoods), said: "The supplier assured us that they would be able to meet our order in time for the scheduled start of parking charges on April 1 and we have expressed our disappointment over their failure to deliver.
"This is the knock-on effect of the introduction of a new £1 coin which has had a huge impact on our supplier's workloads in respect of adapting existing pay and display ticket machines up and down the country.
"We are now liaising closely with them to try to resolve this matter."
The charges, which are to be introduced on an experimental basis, are part of a Parking Plan which aims to address a range of traffic issues - including parking on pavements and on the chevrons in the centre of the road on The Front - that affect businesses and people's safe enjoyment of Seaton Carew.
Charges of £1 for up to 2 hours, £1.50 for up to 4 hours and £2 for all day will apply in the Coronation Drive, Rocket House and Coach Park car parks.
The Parking Plan also includes resident-only and business parking permit schemes and a clock disc system that will limit parking in the car park within Seaton Park to 1 hour. These will be introduced on Saturday as planned.
A series of public consultation meetings will be held over the summer ahead of a review of the Parking Plan at the end of October. Views expressed at these meetings will be fed into the review which will determine the permanent car parking arrangements for Seaton Carew. The first meeting will take place on May 10 from 2-6pm at Seaton Carew Social Club and Institute in Station Lane.
Press release pr25778. March 30 2017.
Issued by Steve Hilton, Senior Public Relations Officer, on (01429) 284065.
Charges of £1 for up to 2 hours, £1.50 for up to 4 hours and £2 for all day will apply in the Coronation Drive, Rocket House and Coach Park car parks.
So, let's assume that regular visitors (in car)s to Seaton...those who go on an evening to walk, jog, exercise the dog, etc, pay £1 for up to 2 hours. That's £365 a year..obviously! ::) A lot of money for doing something that was free before! You could have a decent weeks holiday for that amount. Marj sure has / will p*$& off 1000's of people. Let's just hope they remember at local election time!
Quote from: steveL on March 30, 2017, 11: PM
Press Release
Introduction of Seaton parking charges delayed
Published Thursday, 30th March 2017
THE introduction of parking charges at Seaton Carew is to be delayed.
Hartlepool Council planned to introduce the charges from Saturday (April 1) but it has been informed that the 15 pay and display ticket machines it has ordered will not now be supplied on time.
Oh what a shame.
Tony Hanson, the Council's Assistant Director (Environment and Neighbourhoods), said: "The supplier assured us that they would be able to meet our order in time for the scheduled start of parking charges on April 1 and we have expressed our disappointment over their failure to deliver.
Can we express our disappointment over the councils failure to deliver?
"This is the knock-on effect of the introduction of a new £1 coin which has had a huge impact on our supplier's workloads in respect of adapting existing pay and display ticket machines up and down the country.
So a firm who produces parking meters didn't anticipate a rush when new coins cane out?
"We are now liaising closely with them to try to resolve this matter."
The charges, which are to be introduced on an experimental basis, 'Experimental' basis, all that expenditure for a trial period? They must thinke've all come down from the hills plucking banjo's. are part of a Parking Plan which aims to address a range of traffic issues - including parking on pavements and on the chevrons in the centre of the road on The Front - that affect businesses and people's safe enjoyment of Seaton Carew.
How will charging change anything, morons parking inappropriarely will not be affected by charges, that's down to enforcement on your part. I can think of no free experience that was made better by charging for it.
Charges of £1 for up to 2 hours, £1.50 for up to 4 hours and £2 for all day will apply in the Coronation Drive, Rocket House and Coach Park car parks.
The Parking Plan also includes resident-only and business parking permit schemes and a clock disc system that will limit parking in the car park within Seaton Park to 1 hour. These will be introduced on Saturday as planned.
A series of public consultation meetings will be held over the summer ahead of a review of the Parking Plan at the end of October. Views expressed at these meetings will be fed into the review which will determine the permanent car parking arrangements for Seaton Carew. The first meeting will take place on May 10 from 2-6pm at Seaton Carew Social Club and Institute in Station Lane.
At this point can I predict that after the 'consultation' it will be declared a rip roaring success and people will be doffing their cap, bells ringing and street parties organised to celebrate the day parking charges brought salvation to Seaton.KERCHING !
Press release pr25778. March 30 2017.
Issued by Steve Hilton, Senior Public Relations Officer, on (01429) 284065.
The LabMob can save themselves a few bob by not bothering to field a candidate in Seaton at the next election....... Mad Dog has managed to alienate everyone who lives in the village.......... I can only hope she manages to do the same in Manor West.
Accident waiting to happen= cars coming over blind hill from town to seaton- Newburn bridge .....are lead by lane marking straight into a direct line of car parking slots marked on road. If cars parked in slots ,HGVs leaving seaton, will be in centre of road, out of sight of those crossing the bridge. Watch this space= soon to be accident black spot. Planned by Maddog who doesn't even drive?
Quote from: fred c on March 31, 2017, 08: AM
The LabMob can save themselves a few bob by not bothering to field a candidate in Seaton at the next election....... Mad Dog has managed to alienate everyone who lives in the village.......... I can only hope she manages to do the same in Manor West.
How many people living up Manor consider Seaton a day out ?
What ever the number is, they are prime candidates to vote against MD.
I understand the regulations are being half implemented from day 1.
Residents and businesses have to use their permits and you can only have an hour in the park on a disc.
"Views expressed at these meetings will be fed into the review which will determine the permanent car parking arrangements for Seaton Carew. "
A subtle change in wording which tells us that there is no possibility of the parking charges being scrapped after 'the review' and that a permanent car parking arrangement is the goal.
Quote from: Land Phil on March 31, 2017, 08: AM
Quote from: fred c on March 31, 2017, 08: AM
The LabMob can save themselves a few bob by not bothering to field a candidate in Seaton at the next election....... Mad Dog has managed to alienate everyone who lives in the village.......... I can only hope she manages to do the same in Manor West.
How many people living up Manor consider Seaton a day out ?
What ever the number is, they are prime candidates to vote against MD.
I understand the regulations are being half implemented from day 1.
Residents and businesses have to use their permits and you can only have an hour in the park on a disc.
Probably be issued with parking passes and a voucher for fish & chips - I'm sure the other Labaour Ward councillors can chip in
Couldn't the councillors allowance be used to fund Cod n Park permits for chosen wards ?
This is turning into a bit of a mess. You can't help but wonder if these people ever venture beyond the town boundary.
Apparently, if you're driving around with a parking disc you got hold of elsewhere (mine is from Richmond) you won't be able to use it in Seaton Park. Only HBC parking discs are allowed; you'll be fined if you use anyone else's.
There's two possible explanations:
1. They are planning on charging for the discs
2. Marj is so thick that she thinks using a disc from somewhere else is somehow cheating.
i've just heard they are not going ahead with it as planned
can't get the discs printed on time ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have had it confirmed that they will accept any local authority's parking clocks for the free sections.
"as long as it is correctly displayed and set, we would accept any as valid, even if not acquired from HBC."
see chaps...all you need to do is post something on here and instantly it's resolved !!
I shall now turn my attention to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict...... ;)
Quote from: kevplumb on March 31, 2017, 04: PM
i've just heard they are not going ahead with it as planned
can't get the discs printed on time ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let's hope they're the right colour ::) ::)
To be fair, the discs would need to be on Hartlepool Meantme, which if the councillors are anything to go by is twenty years behind everywhere else.
know it's not seaton but it's just down the road
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-marina-restaurant-closes-blaming-parking-charges-1-7660580
thin end of the wedge >:(
Quote from: kevplumb on April 01, 2017, 11: AM
know it's not seaton but it's just down the road
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-marina-restaurant-closes-blaming-parking-charges-1-7660580
thin end of the wedge >:(
In the article Mandale had stated that car-parking charges would have no effect on businesses - now where have I heard that before >:(
Quote from: kevplumb on April 01, 2017, 11: AM
know it's not seaton but it's just down the road
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-marina-restaurant-closes-blaming-parking-charges-1-7660580
thin end of the wedge >:(
To be fair that restaurant closed because it served over priced very average food with poor service.
The claim that Mandale have spent £500,000 on sprucing up Navigation Point is utter bollocks.
The parking bay lines near the Newburn Bridge car park are being burned off this morning, the ones on the crest of the blind bank.
Just a thought, but if parking charging is possibly just for the six month period ( Ho Ho Ho) and any safety issues have been raised as one of the factors for imposing them, does safety vanish in the winter? So it's parking charges all year round then?
I was rather surprised at the potential safety issue when I saw them for the first time last week. Surely, someone in the Highways Dept should have spotted this before the lines were painted! Plus, how can there be double yellow lines all along Coronation Drive, for whatever reason, but several parking bays in a rather dangerous place? Who actually comes up with these ideas? Also, how much has it cost to put them down then burn them off?
I suspect the double yellow lines on Coronation Drive are a waste of time as the grass will become the place of choice to park. On nice weekends when there's no parking left in Seaton or special events, Coronation Drive is full of cars. So where are they supposed to park.
Doubtless the council will rush out and install bollards and dragons teeth tank traps to turn the area into Hartlepools very own Maginot Line and this whole sorry and pointless scheme will assume the costs of the national debt of a small Eastern European country. Thus assuring the scheme will be in place for eternity and a day.
I think parking on grass wrong side of yellow lines is an offence....ticket inspectors will have feeding frenzy
Quote from: akarjl on April 10, 2017, 07: AM
I think parking on grass wrong side of yellow lines is an offence....ticket inspectors will have feeding frenzy
It is it means no Parking either side of the lines.
The 'Killer Bays' at Newburn Bridge have been done away with......... whoever thought about it is the first place dropped a real bollock.
Perhaps someone at HBC dropped another clanger, noticed that clearway signs have put on lamposts
along the sea ward side of Coronation Drive, my understanding of a clearway is that vehicles are prohibited from stopping during times in which the clearway is in force, thereby making it illegal to park there, bays or no bays !
Noticed in Seaton this morning all the parking signs were getting black bin bags put over them - is this another illegal scheme?
They have covered the signs that show number for paying via mobile phone.
'p**s-up', 'brewery'.
Fill in the missing words.
Bank holiday chaos.Calamity James strikes again.
Some of the signs are that high you need a step ladder to read them
Quote from: Hopingforbetter on April 11, 2017, 12: PM
Some of the signs are that high you need a step ladder to read them
I noticed 2 council lads fiddling with the signs yesterday..... they had a small pair of step ladders fully opened...... 1 of the lads was holding the steps...... the other one was standing on the top step......both arms fully extended doing something with the sign.......... Health & Safety HBC Style
The bill for all of this must be racking up to quite a figure by now.
Not as much as Carpet Cockup.
Quote from: craig finton on April 11, 2017, 01: PM
The bill for all of this must be racking up to quite a figure by now.
Of course, but its not their money and there is always more available for the "visionaries" little schemes.
Quote from: gerek on April 11, 2017, 10: AM
Noticed in Seaton this morning all the parking signs were getting black bin bags put over them - is this another illegal scheme?
These bags seem to be covering more than the mobile phone number signs - though some of them are now tearing and blowing away, which will be going down a treat with the local wildlife.
Rumour has it, you will be able to park your horse for free at Seaton.
Quote from: Land Phil on April 22, 2017, 07: PM
Rumour has it, you will be able to park your horse for free at Seaton.
No good for Morton. All of his horses are still running!!!!!!!
Quote from: Land Phil on April 22, 2017, 07: PM
Rumour has it, you will be able to park your horse for free at Seaton.
The rumours appear to be correct, horseboxes are allowed to park free of charge, whilst riders exercise their Sh&t machines, although I believe that they have been allocated an area that is gated off from the 'Sandy', since renamed as the 'Tom Hind' car park.
They're going to provide keys to the gate to the former fairground site to give horseboxes access to free parking in a similar arrangement to sea-coalers.
They're getting themselves more and more in the s**t over this. So you can ride a horse for free but not walk your dog. Bloody brainless imbeciles the lot of them.
I have never understood why it is ok to leave piles of festering horse s**t all over the beach but if your not even carrying a doggy bag the Poo Patrol will "have" you......
I also do not understand why some Pikey can take his horse n cart trotting along coronation drive slowing up all the traffic without any insurance.
The fact that the Kremlin caters for the needs of the Horsey set and Pikeys shows you something about their ancestors perhaps ?
God forbid they would have a fairground site with fairground rides on it and a parking area used for parking.
As for horses, I think it is something to so with them being vegetarian.
How many of these chariots of Fire an dobbin wagons are from out of town? I just find it odd you can bring them into Seaton, have your own exclusive parking area and all for free. You couldn't make it up.
Why not put the traveller site on the links at the Golf Club, then there would be no need for free parking for horse boxes as they would be a lick and a spit away from the beach anyhoo ::)
A childish thought maybe, but could anyone blame the residents Seaton for thinking that The LabMob are working it right into Seaton because they will not vote for a Labour councillor.......... but given we all know how petty and spiteful members of the Cabal can be, is it so childish :-\
For the sake of safety, i can see sense in giving riders a separate area to unload their horses, after all you wouldn't want a horse being spooked and bolting through a car park full of cars and people, imaginary on not.
But surely HBC should consider charging them, even it was an annual fee, I would imagine horse owners/trainers could afford £150/200 pa for the privilege.
Quote from: mk1 on April 22, 2017, 07: PM
Quote from: Land Phil on April 22, 2017, 07: PM
Rumour has it, you will be able to park your horse for free at Seaton.
No good for Morton. All of his horses are still running!!!!!!!
He was allegedly seen in Corals putting a £644 straight win bet on a 100/1 shot !
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
For the sake of safety, i can see sense in giving riders a separate area to unload their horses, after all you wouldn't want a horse being spooked and bolting through a car park full of cars and people, imaginary on not.
They've been using that car park for years and a Ben Hur scenario has yet to be reported. However, why the free special area when residents have to cough up. Why are we subsidising what is a business or hobby. Will surfers get a little enclave for free or any other water related activity?
dont forget mrs cranney is one of the horsey set SO SHE,S SORTED AS ARE ALL HER HORSEY FRIENDS
I think we're back to this
https://youtu.be/pF4yaa-2eFk
I've nothing at all against horse riders who use Seaton Carew beach; it's a resource for all. I do however strongly object to one group being exempted from car parking charges.
If HBC want horse boxes to use the old fairground land, I can understand all the reasons why, but why should they not by covered by the same parking charges as the rest of us.
Tom Hind and Bob Buchan seem to be taking the credit for this. Have they seriously thought it through? I doubt it.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on April 26, 2017, 06: PM
I've nothing at all against horse riders who use Seaton Carew beach; it's a resource .
Tom Hind and Bob Buchan seem to be taking the credit for this. Have they seriously thought it through? I doubt it.
Might be worth digging to find which of their mates have horses.
I don't think there is any need to dig !!!
Talking to a council employee yesterday regarding the parking bays on Coronation Drive by the "Toilets Carpark" near Newburn Bridge. It would appear that it was the police who instructed the council to remove the bays as they were seen as a traffic hazard. So it would appear that not only did the council not consult the public, they didn't bother consulting the police - so much for due process.
I'll never pay to park in Seaton, I've just bought a horsebox. Where do I go for my key and free exclusive parking ?
Quote from: Riddler5 on April 27, 2017, 11: AM
I'll never pay to park in Seaton, I've just bought a horsebox. Where do I go for my key and free exclusive parking ?
Probably Cranney's Horseboxes Ltd ;)
Quote from: gerek on April 27, 2017, 11: AM
Quote from: Riddler5 on April 27, 2017, 11: AM
I'll never pay to park in Seaton, I've just bought a horsebox. Where do I go for my key and free exclusive parking ?
Probably Cranney's Horseboxes Ltd ;)
Is it at the old Mattress Mountain Climbing Centre( fall without pain) site?
I submitted to the chair of Neighbourhood Services asking what the criteria was to measure the success of the trial parking scheme at Seaton Carew
This is the response I received -
Further to submission of your Council question, I have been requested to forward to you a written response as follows:-
"As I'm sure you will understand, it would be very difficult to provide a composite list of the criteria to be used as some issues may not come to light until the scheme becomes fully operational. The scheme includes a number of complementary traffic management restrictions in addition to the pay and display charges that will apply 'on-street' and in several car parks, which will be introduced under an experimental Traffic Regulation Order. The review process will therefore consider any impact on visitor numbers and any businesses, together with any potential affect on residents living in Seaton.
Some restrictions have been included in order to protect vulnerable areas where the Council anticipates vehicle displacement. They include several new and existing residential zones and include combination pay and display / resident permit bays. In addition two limited waiting disc zone schemes are proposed at Station Lane Car Park and a 30 minutes area on The Front. The disc scheme is new to Hartlepool but is well established and has been successfully managed in various towns across the region but clearly the impact and compliance within such areas will need to be monitored and enforced.
There will inevitably be a financial consideration within the review process which will require an evaluation of the operational running costs, daily revenue income, together with the associated effectiveness that the additional enforcement presence will have in terms of FPN/ PCN's issued, compliance for both traffic and environmental offences, perceived improvement and impact on number of complaints / requests for enforcement visits through this period.
As you may have seen a date for the first consultation event was recently announced, and this will be held on Wednesday May 10th from 2-6pm at Seaton Carew Social Club and Institute in Station Lane, and we plan to hold two further events later in the year. Officers from the Council will be present at all of these and this will allow for an ongoing assessment of issues of concern, complaint, compliment that may arise and therefore will need to be addressed and recorded. Such reports (from both residents and businesses) will be included within the review process and such matters will be considered in any proposals / recommendations for improvements.
The Neighbourhood Services Committee will consider a report after the trial period has ended and will then make a decision on the longer term future of the scheme."
Regards,
Amanda Whitaker
Note that the response was not from Councillor James
According to that, the review later in the year will be consultations with officers of the council present, no councillors mentioned as being present?
Daughter has been to seaton today unable to use old pound coins in the new parking meters so had to pay by card at a cost of extra 40 pence good old labour blame the tories for all the austerity measures put in place but we will rip you off at every opportunity.
How do these clowns keep getting voted in? mind the post office do complain about the amount of postal votes in Hartlepool ;D
Half the parking slots on front were empty = Seaton dead.Bet headlands busy...in the carpark next to the sewage works I noticed a lot of cars without parking tickets- message has not got through and the Kremlin Parking "Police" will no doubt have a field day when they waddle over there.
What shows the introduction of parking charges up for what it is, an attack on Seaton Carew for not having a LabMob councillor is the fact it is an 8am til 8pm time span...... they reduced the hours in MG......Lots of people pop down to Seaton for fish and chips / ice cream around the 6.30 to 8.30 on an evening.... it is petty spiteful, unwarranted and downright politically immoral....... nowt new for this shower of s***e
Quote from: fred c on May 06, 2017, 07: PM
What shows the introduction of parking charges up for what it is, an attack on Seaton Carew for not having a LabMob councillor is the fact it is an 8am til 8pm time span...... they reduced the hours in MG......Lots of people pop down to Seaton for fish and chips / ice cream around the 6.30 to 8.30 on an evening.... it is petty spiteful, unwarranted and downright politically immoral....... nowt new for this shower of s***e
Don't forget it also applies 7 days a week
Coming into Seaton along the front on Friday and Saturday around 17.00 , it was like a ghost town in comparison to pre charge evening
Can someone explain to me in basic English what benefits Seaton was going to get from parking charges that would make visitors say "I've got to pay to park, but the council have done so much there it's worth paying for the experience!" or, "How much? No chance, we'll go to...........(fill in gap).
Are the Wardens to be paid overtime to police the 8pm cut off time?
Double Bubble on Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday ? If brains where made of Cemtex, the idiots who thought this scheme up wouldn't have enough to blow the Dandruff of their heads.......
Quote from: fred c on May 07, 2017, 11: AM
Double Bubble on Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday ? If brains where made of Cemtex, the idiots who thought this scheme up wouldn't have enough to blow the Dandruff of their heads.......
Are you insinuating they have 'brains'? I just assumed there was just one pooled brain given out when needed.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 07, 2017, 09: AM
Can someone explain to me in basic English what benefits Seaton was going to get from parking charges that would make visitors say "I've got to pay to park, but the council have done so much there it's worth paying for the experience!" or, "How much? No chance, we'll go to...........(fill in gap).
Mmmm that would be none.
It's mad dog licking Scabs ring ( as opposed to kissing it?) and providing a "source of income". Nobody at the clowncil gives a s**t about an area that does not vote for Mr n Mrs and their followers. Obviously trying to punish Seaton for daring to not have a Labour Clownciller? We need a strong presence at this consultation meeting, tip the press off and few "banners" wouldn't go amiss.
Wonder if that jurassic slapper who "bombed" the UKIP meeting is available for an encore if a few cans of Stella are on offer? That would make the news......
Passed through Seaton 1pm ish, Shows car park was almost empty, lots of spaces along the front and only about 8 to 10 cars in the Newburn car park...... businesses will very quickly be able to gauge how badly the parking charges are affecting them.
Quote from: fred c on May 07, 2017, 01: PM
Passed through Seaton 1pm ish, Shows car park was almost empty, lots of spaces along the front and only about 8 to 10 cars in the Newburn car park...... businesses will very quickly be able to gauge how badly the parking charges are affecting them.
...but the council will hail it a success as congestion has been reduced not forgetting reduced litter etc - a ghost town can be a pretty tidy place
Well if the Cafe in the Crew fiasco is anything to go by should take around 4 years to resolve...or at least into the clowncillers are up for election....
Quote from: akarjl on May 07, 2017, 01: PM
Well if the Cafe in the Crew fiasco is anything to go by should take around 4 years to resolve...or at least into the clowncillers are up for election....
Maybe an election promise could be reduce the time period for Seaton Parking to 0800-1800 - similar approach to saying the new emergency care facilities at the Hospital are the best thing that happened to this town, conveniently forgetting who got rid of them in the first place.
yep living in Seaton it seems we have been written off
Been through the last two nights at about 6.30 and the parking bays fro Seaton Lane up the Stain life were empty. The after tea strollers and dog walkers must have found somewhere else. Don't be fooled by the cars on the opposite side of the road, all cars with residents permits or discs.
Utterly clueless windbags.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 08, 2017, 10: PM
Been through the last two nights at about 6.30 and the parking bays fro Seaton Lane up the Stain life were empty. The after tea strollers and dog walkers must have found somewhere else. Don't be fooled by the cars on the opposite side of the road, all cars with residents permits or discs.
Utterly clueless windbags.
Same here....was driving along Coronation Drive last night before 8pm...only 5 cars at Newburn bridge car park...6 or 7 after 8pm. The Front seemed to be deserted...mind you, it was cold and very windy...but so's my bum! The big indicator, imo, will be when the weather warms up...ANY sign of the sun normally brings the Poolies out in force at Seaton! Let's see if they are daft enough to pay this scummy council for the pleasure of a walk along the prom or taking the dog/ kids for a bit of, what once was, free exercise!
Makes a difference to have a council not obsessed with its own stupid ideas and prepared to listen
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/council-scraps-plan-saltburn-parking-3666813
Quote from: craig finton on May 09, 2017, 08: PM
Makes a difference to have a council not obsessed with its own stupid ideas and prepared to listen
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/council-scraps-plan-saltburn-parking-3666813
It looks as though our council have saved us at least £20,000 - they didn't bother with a survey.
My mam lives on the front, she has said its been very quiet since the charges came in, and yes the cars on that side will all have resident permits on.
It has been spookily quiet along the Cliff today.
When I walked the dog after 8 this morning there were no cars parked on the pay side of the road at all.
difference betweenSeaton and Saltburn is they have implemented it and it was put in place by maddog who doesn't drive or live in seaton. i can't see it being stopped. We just have to make sure we don't end up with a Labour mp and maddog gets the boot when she is up for re election.
A review is utter B******s. After all the capital expenditure lavished on this pointless exercise, there's no way it's going to be scrapped. Oh, they'll go through the consultation motions and decide they'll do what they were going to do from the start and plough on with 'Exercise Spite'.
They have to produce a logical reason why charges were introduced other than spotting a previously untargetted cash cow.
We're spoken down to by people 'educated' beyond their abilities.
When is the consultation meeting and where?
Quote from: not4me on May 10, 2017, 07: AM
When is the consultation meeting and where?
Below is the response I received from HBC regarding what criteria are being employed to measure the success of the scheme. The event is May 10th from 2-6pm at Seaton Carew Social Club and Institute in Station Lane. It looks like a presentation with no councillors present. They are simply going through the motions.
"As I'm sure you will understand, it would be very difficult to provide a composite list of the criteria to be used as some issues may not come to light until the scheme becomes fully operational. The scheme includes a number of complementary traffic management restrictions in addition to the pay and display charges that will apply 'on-street' and in several car parks, which will be introduced under an experimental Traffic Regulation Order. The review process will therefore consider any impact on visitor numbers and any businesses, together with any potential affect on residents living in Seaton.
Some restrictions have been included in order to protect vulnerable areas where the Council anticipates vehicle displacement. They include several new and existing residential zones and include combination pay and display / resident permit bays. In addition two limited waiting disc zone schemes are proposed at Station Lane Car Park and a 30 minutes area on The Front. The disc scheme is new to Hartlepool but is well established and has been successfully managed in various towns across the region but clearly the impact and compliance within such areas will need to be monitored and enforced.
There will inevitably be a financial consideration within the review process which will require an evaluation of the operational running costs, daily revenue income, together with the associated effectiveness that the additional enforcement presence will have in terms of FPN/ PCN's issued, compliance for both traffic and environmental offences, perceived improvement and impact on number of complaints / requests for enforcement visits through this period.
As you may have seen a date for the first consultation event was recently announced, and this will be held on Wednesday May 10th from 2-6pm at Seaton Carew Social Club and Institute in Station Lane, and we plan to hold two further events later in the year. Officers from the Council will be present at all of these and this will allow for an ongoing assessment of issues of concern, complaint, compliment that may arise and therefore will need to be addressed and recorded. Such reports (from both residents and businesses) will be included within the review process and such matters will be considered in any proposals / recommendations for improvements.
The Neighbourhood Services Committee will consider a report after the trial period has ended and will then make a decision on the longer term future of the scheme."
Today 2pm in Seaton Social Clurb.
Parking for clurb members only unfortunately.
Damn i am away working .....give them hell.
No councillor, just council officers, a presentation, no point. Most of the problems they refer to come from their charges displaying traffic, the problems are of Ghent own making.
Traffic management, of what?
It's all about the money.
Traffic management ?....... Drivers have been parking on the central chevrons since they were put in, double parking in certain spots was the norm, speeding in the 20mph zone was a must for some of the numpties flying through the village, including huge trucks.......... None of this was Policed, it's as simple as that........the parking thing is a nasty, spitefull & vindictive decision by a ruling group that has a history of petty a malicious decisions aimed at residents who don't agree with them.
I would have liked to have been present but work prevents me from getting there - perhaps deliberate?
I'm very curious as to how much this has already cost in terms of the marking of bays, yellow lines, production and administration of parking permits, enforcement and, of course, the ticket machines themselves. I have serious doubts if the money raised will even cover the first year costs making an extension to the scheme inevitable.
Perhaps someone who intends going could ask for me though an itemised breakdown of costs would be the most useful. I distrust 'overall figures'.
I took the dogs for a walk down there today, only 4 cars parked in the newburn bridge car park. One car pulled in, noticed the parking charges, turned around and left.It used to be quite busy even during winter months......
The point is this is not a revenue raising issue. The Council are prepared to lose money here because the real aim is to punish Seaton for failing to elect Labour Councillors and give the residents a taste of what to expect if they complain when(in the near future) Cranney swipes all their funding.
It really as as simple as that. They want to punish Seaton and are prepared to spend money to drive home the message- pour encourager les autres
I heard a whisper that the OFCA staff, including Cranney's wife, had been made redundant and that Jutland Road is no longer in use. It's a ruse that has been used before by Cranney as a way of making sure residual funds are kept within friends and family. I believe Marjorie was one of his former 'redundant' staff.
No doubt we'll know for sure soon enough.
The same can't be said for one of my friends who was caught up in the £380,000 Mutual Securities venture. In that case, Cranney's idea of redundancy was to have my mate turn up for work one day to find locked gates.
You're a piece of s**t, Cranney; an insult to the Labour Party and one day I'm going to put you in jail.
Quote from: for fawkes sake on May 10, 2017, 12: PM
I would have liked to have been present but work prevents me from getting there - perhaps deliberate?
I'm very curious as to how much this has already cost in terms of the marking of bays, yellow lines, production and administration of parking permits, enforcement and, of course, the ticket machines themselves. I have serious doubts if the money raised will even cover the first year costs making an extension to the scheme inevitable.
Perhaps someone who intends going could ask for me though an itemised breakdown of costs would be the most useful. I distrust 'overall figures'.
A chap asked the question re. costs, asked for itemised and overall costs......... the answer....... It was "Budgeted For"..... I had every sympathy with the officers in attendance, it was obvious they didn't want to be there, the initial group of about 20 people asked a number of questions as a group, but as I left they meeting broke up into small groups asking the officers questions.
Incidentally Mad Dog was in attendance
Quote from: steveL on May 10, 2017, 01: PM
I heard a whisper that the OFCA staff, including Cranney's wife, had been made redundant and that Jutland Road is no longer in use. It's a ruse that has been used before by Cranney as a way of making sure residual funds are kept within friends and family. I believe Marjorie was one of his former 'redundant' staff.
No doubt we'll know for sure soon enough.
The same can't be said for one of my friends who was caught up in the £380,000 Mutual Securities venture. In that case, Cranney's idea of redundancy was to have my mate turn up for work one day to find locked gates.
You're a piece of s**t, Cranney; an insult to the Labour Party and one day I'm going to put you in jail.
They will need a Double Decker Court Room to get the crowd in........ urghhhhhh a dispicable individual, they always say..........what goes around, comes around.
Quote from: for fawkes sake on May 10, 2017, 12: PM
I would have liked to have been present but work prevents me from getting there - perhaps deliberate?
I'm very curious as to how much this has already cost in terms of the marking of bays, yellow lines, production and administration of parking permits, enforcement and, of course, the ticket machines themselves. I have serious doubts if the money raised will even cover the first year costs making an extension to the scheme inevitable.
Perhaps someone who intends going could ask for me though an itemised breakdown of costs would be the most useful. I distrust 'overall figures'.
Someone at the meeting asked for an itemised breakdown, Mad Dog flounced up to the guy asking, dropped a slip of paper on the table and said, curtly, ' It's on the back,'
As she walked back someone asked if anyone involved in the decision making or planning of the scheme lived in Seaton she responded with a beligerent, ' Humph' .
The figure on the sheet handed out states, ' The set up costs are ANTICIPATED to be approx £60K, the vast majority of which is the purchase costs for pay and display machines.
'
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on May 10, 2017, 05: PM
Mad Dog flounced up to the guy asking, dropped a slip of paper on the table and said, curtly, ' It's on the back,'
As she walked back someone asked if anyone involved in the decision making or planning of the scheme lived in Seaton she responded with a beligerent, ' Humph' .
Mad Dog needs reminding that she is supposed to be "serving" the people of Hartlepool not huffing and puffing when challenged....having said that I suppose we should be thankful she wasn't barking and didn't c**k her leg up as she left the room......obviously she's infuriated, enraged and stressed as we continue piling on the pressure every time she bares her canines.
I don't suppose the "dancing queens" were there to support her or Crannible the Orangutang?
Quote from: WhatTheHeckThe figure on the sheet handed out states, ' The set up costs are ANTICIPATED to be approx £60K, the vast majority of which is the purchase costs for pay and display machines.
is that like the ANTICIPATED profit on jacksons landing after raymondos quick flip ;D ;D
Quote from: kevplumb on May 10, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: WhatTheHeckThe figure on the sheet handed out states, ' The set up costs are ANTICIPATED to be approx £60K, the vast majority of which is the purchase costs for pay and display machines.
is that like the ANTICIPATED profit on jacksons landing after raymondos quick flip ;D ;D
NO....... It is the anticipated cost of Carpets (2nd Edition).......roflmao.
I heard a whisper that the OFCA staff, including Cranney's wife, had been made redundant and that Jutland Road is no longer in use. It's a ruse that has been used before by Cranney as a way of making sure residual funds are kept within friends and family. I believe Marjorie was one of his former 'redundant' staff. STEVE L
THEY ARE STILL RUNNING YOUTHY BUT AS VOLUNTEERS BELIEVE THAT AND YOU,LL BELIEVE OUT
ON ANOTHER LEVEL MAD DOG NEEDS PUTTING DOWN SHES SCRUFFY UNEDUCATED STINKS OF B.O AS DOES HER BREATH
THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS SO UNTOUCHABLE BECAUSE SHE HAS THE SCABS CRANNEY RICHARDSON BEHIND HER F****** HATE THE WOMAN
Mad Dog starting to see sense?
Cllr Marjorie James has sent the following email to the Senior Officer responsible for implementing the scheme and asked that we share the same with yourselves:
"As you are already aware, I decided on Tuesday not to seek the nomination as Chair of Neighbourhood Services going forward. However, I felt it was right that I attend the consultation meeting with residents and businesses at Seaton Carew without this knowledge being in the public domain.
Following what I consider to be a very productive and forthright meeting with residents and businesses yesterday, I would like to thank you and your staff for assisting me with this issue.
I would also like to make the following recommendations for immediate changes to the Experimental Traffic Order currently in place based on the needs expressed.
1. That the Park - Car Park on Station Lane - Disk Parking Scheme be extended from 1 hr to 2hrs. – This gives assistance to the hairdressers at the bottom of Station Lane and also means that we can meet the bowlers at least half way. As matches starting at 4 p.m. onwards will not be required to pay anything for parking.
2. That the Disk Parking Scheme on the Front be extended from 30 minutes to 1hr. This will assist small businesses that are reliant on daytime customers such as Glady's Vintage Tea Room and the fish and chip shops etc.
3. That the current mix of Pay and Display and Resident Parking at The Front, The Cliff and Coronation Drive be restricted to Resident Only.
4. That consideration be given to designating some of the area near the bus station for additional Business Permit spaces. The current area is not sufficient for the number of small businesses on the Front.
5. That the 3 main car parks time of operation be amended to 9 a.m. – 6 p.m. This will assist small businesses that are reliant on evening customers such as the restaurants and fish and chip shops etc.
6. That urgent attention be given to installing a bin store to remove these from their current location behind the shops on the coast side of the Front. This should alleviate the need for bin wagons to enter this area and was part of the decision made in February. This was discussed with Ward Councillors who were supportive of the idea.
In addition to the above and as part of the review process in the Autumn, Allendale and the adjacent Streets be consulted about being designated as a resident permit parking and 20 mph zone.
Regards
Cllr. Marjorie James"
One of the LabMob geniuses must have had a bang on the head and thought. Oooooerrrrr we have upset 3500 voters, that could cost us the seat come June 8th.....whilst this decision is to be welcomed, it does mean more council tax will needed to be spent changing the signs..DOH
The charges are the issue not the detail of the charges
Looks like Mad Dog and the SCAB's have had big bust up.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 11, 2017, 03: PM
Looks like Mad Dog and the SCAB's have had big bust up.
Winning a council seat by just 20 odd votes with such a strong candidate must put the fear of god into those who know they are seen as thieves and chancers. If a Doctor just scrapes in then they know they are in serious trouble.
I agree, there'll be something going on behind the scenes. Somebody even more 'favoured' than Marjorie will have eyed up the seat. You could literally find the smelliest, foulest, festering, biggest pile of dog turd in certain wards, tell people "That's the Labour candidate" and they'll vote for it.
(and yes you can quote me on that Christopher, and yes you can report me to Peter for it, i'll happily make that point very publicly and in those terms).
My guess is daddy Belcher fancies a few hundred quid a month. Either that or they'll switch Alan Clarke to a safer ward.
One way or the other, the parasites will be sensing the potential 'wind of change' politically and will be fighting to climb on board the safest host.
Time will tell.
Even the most moronic Labour voter will start to suspect theres a rabbit is away if Daddy Belcher, joins Mammy Belcher, Cwissy Akers Belcher and Lying Ste Akers Belcher as clowncilors....... even the numbnuts in the HCLP and Labour North may think it a step to far.........
And heavens to murgatroyd, even Senior Officers might start to have palpitations if HBC ends up with a Belchers Dynasty in the chamber
Quote from: fred c on May 11, 2017, 04: PM
Even the most moronic Labour voter will start to suspect theres a rabbit is away if Daddy Belcher, joins Mammy Belcher, Cwissy Akers Belcher and Lying Ste Akers Belcher as clowncilors....... even the numbnuts in the HCLP and Labour North may think it a step to far.........
And heavens to murgatroyd, even Senior Officers might start to have palpitations if HBC ends up with a Belchers Dynasty in the chamber
Have I missed something here?
Marjorie has stepped down as Chair of Neighbourhood Services; she's not resigning as a Councillor.
I didn't mean anytime before May 2018..... MD is not seeking the Chair of Neighbourhood Services, I take it from her comment on the parking back down statement there must be a re-shuffle in the pipeline......if that is the case, who has their head up Cwistophers a**e far enough to get the job ?
Quote from: Land Phil on May 11, 2017, 02: PM
The charges are the issue not the detail of the charges
Bang on.....again the question has to be ask why charge in Seaton and not on the Headland? As someone else said it is to punish Seaton for daring not to vote for labour....bit of an own goal though mad dog is running scared.......
Not in a million years did the LabMob expect the backlash from Seaton residents, the 3500 petitioners will, in all probability vote for anyone but Labour...... 4 weeks to the election and Labours a***s are twitching....... if labour lose the seat, 5 people will be primarily responsible for that loss...... CAB, SAB, MD, Craney and last but not least the 'Member' :'( :'( :'(
Another possibility, the Labour cabal decide to take revenge on Seaton for not electing a Labour candidate in the last local election, Marge obliges by forcing through punitive parking charges.
Labour are then caught on the back foot by Mays decision to hold a snap general election, Mad Dog is then ordered by the cabal to try and appease the the Seaton voters by an immediate revision of the parking scam.
Labour can then claim that they have helped to resolve issues.
Mad Dog throws a wobbler, because she has been thrown to the dogs and resigns as chair, despite having been assured she will be handed another, more important chair position.
No matter what she is still an obnoxious person, as has been stated in the past, 'You can put lipstick on a pig'
From what I gather, they've been sorting out the Chairs of all of the committees for next year and when it came to Marj she was awarded nil points
The proposed alterations could have been avoided by not not implementing this pointless plan in the first place. From the number of proposals put forward, it's obvious very little research had been done on the impact of the parking charges. Was there any forward planning by those with a local knowledge or was it, as it appears, bang em in and collect the cash?
The guy from highways dept. who was at the consultation, claimed that everything was rushed through, stated that they only had 6 weeks notice.
He did not appear happy and came across totally clueless.
like everything else md touches she doesnt have a clue then when changes are implemented she takes all the praise,
seen it all before they all do it cab sab cranney wells ect ect ,
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on May 12, 2017, 09: AM
The guy from highways dept. .......came across totally clueless.
I would make a good clownciller.
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on May 11, 2017, 10: AM
2. That the Disk Parking Scheme on the Front be extended from 30 minutes to 1hr. This will assist small businesses that are reliant on daytime customers such as Glady's Vintage Tea Room and the fish and chip shops etc.
Regards
Cllr. Marjorie James"
Does anyone know when these changes are due to be implemented?
I was in Glady's at the weekend and was told parking is still only for 30 mins?
After the election, if Labour win. If they lose, parking charges for the full town
Quote from: akarjl on May 12, 2017, 11: AM
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on May 12, 2017, 09: AM
The guy from highways dept. .......came across totally clueless.
I would make a good clownciller.
Gaawd f**ng predictive text......should have been - He would......
I reckon many of us have trouble now and again with that damned predictive texting Akarjl, but it was nonetheless sad to see that it's inventor died this week.
Apparently, his funfair will be held next monkey.
Quote from: Hubris on May 16, 2017, 10: PM
I reckon many of us have trouble now and again with that damned predictive texting Akarjl, but it was nonetheless sad to see that it's inventor died this week.
Apparently, his funfair will be held next monkey.
post of week excellent
I spoke to a Seaton trader today, he says the yellow lines are crippling their businesses and closures are likely to follow.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on May 18, 2017, 05: PM
I spoke to a Seaton trader today, he says the yellow lines are crippling their businesses and closures are likely to follow.
How can that be possible - Councillor Cranney assured all those present, at the last Council Meeting, there would be no impact on businesses. Councillor James nodded her approval whilst Councillor Beck just nodded off.
There must be some sort of mistake, how can an entrepreneur which such business acumen be wrong, after all a full business risk assessment would have been carried out to ensure all would be well - wouldn't it?
Quote from: The Great Dictator on May 18, 2017, 05: PM
I spoke to a Seaton trader today, he says the yellow lines are crippling their businesses and closures are likely to follow.
More properties for the Wilkies to buy up?
Somebody has just shared this link with me.....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232)
What a surprise no customers........
Borrow a horse from Seaton Lane and you can park for free.
https://www.facebook.com/hfpsc/?ref=search
(https://s14.postimg.org/6xtd6slpp/otu85617.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6xtd6slpp/)
Quote from: akarjl on May 22, 2017, 05: PM
Somebody has just shared this link with me.....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232)
What a surprise no customers........
That is a dead link for me.
Quote from: mk1 on May 22, 2017, 05: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 22, 2017, 05: PM
Somebody has just shared this link with me.....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232)
What a surprise no customers........
That is a dead link for me.
It's a picture of Gladys' Tearoom, empty during the day...
Quote from: mk1 on May 22, 2017, 05: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 22, 2017, 05: PM
Somebody has just shared this link with me.....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151496331622232)
What a surprise no customers........
That is a dead link for me.
(https://s23.postimg.org/6e9phlugn/Screenshot_2017-05-22_18.39.37.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6e9phlugn/)
On a sunday......MT
Footage of public questions at today's Neighbourhood Services meeting regarding amendments to Seaton parking charges. Thanks to Joanne Laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TawiUfYFOsY&feature=youtu.be
Full version via the link below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yicx3sR33bs&feature=youtu.be
What language is Maddog speaking?
So a rough survey of businesses indicates a 30 % drop in turnover and some having to reduce staff hours?
We should be asking for accounts after the "trial period" of how much revenue this is producing..still infuriates me that at the drop of a hat without any consultation HBC can start short myself an others for parking on a public highway for which I pay vehicle and council tax towards maintaining and repairing- but I guess it happens all over the country.
Bottom line is Mad dog and her mates are crucifying seaton and will reap the whirlwind when they are up for election...
Following the councillors patting themselves on the back on how they have responded to public concerns following the consultation on May 10th, they seem to have forgotten that they wouldn't listen to the concerns of the same people BEFORE the implementation of parking charges.
I was amused when, I think it was Beck, said he didn't think there was a problem with charging at Seation whilst another councillor said there was always going to be a problem going from a free system to one of being charged - she's dead right. Didn't our own controlling group vote against being charged for parking at the Civic Centre - alright when you have a vote isn't it.
I appreciate that some members of the public took time to address the committee but I felt they were trying to make the best of a bad job by negotiating for some reduction if the punishment.
We need to remember that morally the correct process was not followed here - Saltburn did follow that process on the same issue - guess what happened........I note that in tonight's agenda good practice is quoted from other councils, but not this time eh!
Mad Dog and all of the committee has cost this council £1000's on this issue.
Two bits of advice for Mad Dog;
1) Next time you get another daft idea at least take Officer advice and do the consultation before you enact the restrictions.
2) take note of comments on FB re your personal hygiene and try a stronger deodorant and a mouthwash.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 23, 2017, 06: PM
Mad Dog and all of the committee has cost this council £1000's on this issue.
Two bits of advice for Mad Dog;
1) Next time you get another daft idea at least take Officer advice and do the consultation before you enact the restrictions.
2) take note of comments on FB re your personal hygiene and try a stronger deodorant and a mouthwash.
and you stop laughing at the mayor at council meetings ;D
Mad Dog and others in the H,pool Mail tonight holding a flag indicating good water quality award for Seaton .All seems a bit rich when she has just introduced a Pay to Paddle style tax by way of parking charges. Blatant hypocrit without a doubt.Shame on her.
Quote from: akarjl on May 23, 2017, 04: PM
Bottom line is Mad dog and her mates are crucifying seaton and will reap the whirlwind when they are up for election...
Trouble is she won't, she's in one of those ultra safe Labour seats where the candidate is irrelevant, they vote for the label.
Lost in the mists of time is why these charges were ever introduced. I drive though several times a day and the empty spaces between Seaton Lane and the Staincliffe say it all.
The only problem was selfish drivers parking on chevrons and double yellow lines and the speeders, but that really is an enforcement problem. Parking charges will make no difference whatsoever to some f***wit speeding through or blocking the road because they're too idle to walk, their actions will be totally unaffected.
Therefore you can only conclude this a revenue collecting exercise.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 24, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: akarjl on May 23, 2017, 04: PM
Bottom line is Mad dog and her mates are crucifying seaton and will reap the whirlwind when they are up for election...
Trouble is she won't, she's in one of those ultra safe Labour seats where the candidate is irrelevant, they vote for the label.
She might, but some of the others might not be "available" if more dirt is dug up.
Quote from: akarjl on May 24, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 24, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: akarjl on May 23, 2017, 04: PM
Bottom line is Mad dog and her mates are crucifying seaton and will reap the whirlwind when they are up for election...
Trouble is she won't, she's in one of those ultra safe Labour seats where the candidate is irrelevant, they vote for the label.
She might, but some of the others might not be "available" if more dirt is dug up.
I would not bet on Mad Dog being in a safe Labour ward, there's a long history of Labour Councillors being ditched by their own party in so called safe wards. Mad Dog knows just how vunerable she is.
Ray Waller, Russell Hart, Brian Hanson, Gweneth Hanson, Maureen Goosey, and many more so called Labour Leaders have all been culled from within their own party.
Especially if Daddy Beltcher has political ambitions, she could well end up as toast or having to fight for a ward like Seaton Carew.
I would hope, after the parking fiasco ANY labour candidate thinking of running for Seaton should look elsewhere?
It was always a revenue raising exercise and goes back to the source of the council making £144,000 less from car parking charges in the town centre than it had budgeted for - introducing charges at Seaton was their way to make up the shortfall. Only after that decision was made did they start thinking of reasons to justify it. As you say, the problem with lazy dickheads(more often than not 4x4, Audi and BMW drivers) parking on the chevrons was always one of enforcement.
All of that said, I have serious doubts about the revenue this will raise.
What was needed was a simple acknowledgement that they had over-estimated the parking charge revenue from the Shopping Centre as a result of the poor shopping facilities it provides compared to other places.
It's always a good way of spotting the Labourites who are out of favour.
Just had this screen shot sent to me:
(https://s16.postimg.org/xwbmrxwk1/Ackers-_Belcher-door-_Mad-dog-seaton-parking.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xwbmrxwk1/)