https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50174402
I certainly hope so listening to what all the parties are going to do for us will cheer us up, until December the 13th
Wonder if it will actually happen? Not many MPs seem to be on board.
The Grand Old Duke of Corbyn will march his 'troops' half way up the hill and back down again and again and again.
Si I wouldn't bank on anything.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 25, 2019, 03: PM
The Grand Old Duke of Corbyn will march his 'troops' half way up the hill and back down again and again and again.
Si I wouldn't bank on anything.
Let us hope Bonking Boris keeps his word...........................
https://youtu.be/__Kn-AOCd3I?t=47
I suspect you'll be disappointed.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 25, 2019, 03: PM
The Grand Old Duke of Corbyn will march his 'troops' half way up the hill and back down again and again and again.
Si I wouldn't bank on anything.
An interesting article from the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/25/labour-jeremy-corbyn-party-leader-brexit-boris-johnson
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 25, 2019, 05: PM
I suspect you'll be disappointed.
...............like the DUP? Anyone who thinks Boris is a man of his word is delusional.
Johnson, Corbyn, Swinson, Farage, Blackford are all acomplished liars and none will answer a question without resorting to obfuscation and disingenuous facts.
Quote from: mk1 on October 25, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 25, 2019, 05: PM
I suspect you'll be disappointed.
...............like the DUP? Anyone who thinks Boris is a man of his word is delusional.
'Politician is a man of his word', one headline you won't see about most of them. But carry on being selective.
Why do we need an election? Did not the people speak in 2017? They elected their MPs and it is obvious (from the result) there was no 'overwhelming' majority for any particular political party nor for a particular political view. The public decided what they wanted was a balance and that that balance would work out a fix.
Why do we need another election when this was decided in 2017?
As we keep being told you can not have two bites at the cherry. Once a vote is held then the will of the people can not ever be challenged again for any reason. All the 'traitors' who want another election are just upset their views are not in the majority. Unable to accept this they want another go.
What if they fail again?
Do they intend to hold another election and another until they get the 'right' result'.
Remove the word election and put in the word referendum, it just seems to be the same argument.
Quote from: Blondell on October 26, 2019, 02: AM
Remove the word election and put in the word referendum, it just seems to be the same argument.
Really? What a coincidence!
Quote from: mk1 on October 25, 2019, 10: PM
Why do we need an election? Did not the people speak in 2017? They elected their MPs and it is obvious (from the result) there was no 'overwhelming' majority for any particular political party nor for a particular political view.
Yes, the people did speak in 2017 ..... sadly the MP's immediately decided they weren't going to keep their manifesto promise and proceeded to drop the mask and reveal their true colours.
If they'd kept to their 2017 election promise, we'd have got the MP's we'd elected.
We didn't, just weasel words from weasels.
It isn't leavers or remainers who have polarised the British public it's the politicians of all shades who have failed to enact the will of the people, unfortunately the animosity created by their decisions will last for years.
Ever wonder why the Tories will never lower the voting age?
Graph of voting preference by age.
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Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 26, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: mk1 on October 25, 2019, 10: PM
Why do we need an election? Did not the people speak in 2017? They elected their MPs and it is obvious (from the result) there was no 'overwhelming' majority for any particular political party nor for a particular political view.
Yes, the people did speak in 2017 ..... sadly the MP's immediately decided they weren't going to keep their manifesto promise and proceeded to drop the mask and reveal their true colours.
If they'd kept to their 2017 election promise, we'd have got the MP's we'd elected.
We didn't, just weasel words from weasels.
sounds like a council not to far away ;D
Odd how if you change Party in Parliament overnight your feted as an hero even though you broke your election manifesto pledge.
Odd how advocates of remaining emphasise leavers can change their mind and it's a good thing to change Party.
I think it's the 'B' word that sets the fireworks off. ;D
Quote from: mk1 on October 28, 2019, 08: PM
Ever wonder why the Tories will never lower the voting age?
Graph of voting preference by age.
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Depends if you think lowering the voting age is a good thing. I detect this trend towards devaluing the votes of people with a wealth of life experience, namely the older voter, over the period since the leave vote .... and their majority for leave option. Since then the denegration of the older voter as incontinent, doddery old oafs waving the Union Jack and longing for Empire has been banged out, culminating in the unbelievable utterances celebrating the death of older voters over the preceding three years as a good event for the remain vote. Such bile is beyond normal comprehension.
I don't doubt that a minority of 16 year old are capable of understanding the voting process, however from what I see on a regular basis from youngsters around the town the vast majority aren't interested in politics, there are obvious attractions for giving votes to 16 year olds but I doubt it's in the iterests of the 16 year olds.
Looks like the election's actually going to happen. Date to be confirmed, however. Apparently it may not be physically possible to register 16/17 year olds in time, according to a comment on the BBC web site '
BBC News Channel
'Asked if he supports votes for 16 and 17- year-olds, Lib Dem Tom Brake says: "The difficulty is how do you ensure 16 and 17-year-olds are able to take part in an election by 9, 10, 11 December.
"It is not clear to me that it would be physically possible to achieve that."'
UPDATE: Seems that Labour may have found another delaying tactic - also from the BBC web site
''Is a general election now a certainty?
BBC political correspondent Nick Eardley reports Labour is pushing for a change in the voting age, as well as voting rights for some EU citizens.
And the Sun's political editor Tom Newton-Dunn says Labour's demands could yet be a spanner in the works.'
So
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50221556
Quote from: fred c on October 29, 2019, 10: AM
I don't doubt that a minority of 16 year old are capable of understanding the voting process, however from what I see on a regular basis from youngsters around the town the vast majority aren't interested in politics, there are obvious attractions for giving votes to 16 year olds but I doubt it's in the iterests of the 16 year olds.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted 16/17 year olds to be given voting privileges after he tried to bribe them with abolishing university tuition fees, He was hoping he could buy their votes.
Quote from: Topcat on October 29, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: fred c on October 29, 2019, 10: AM
I don't doubt that a minority of 16 year old are capable of understanding the voting process, however from what I see on a regular basis from youngsters around the town the vast majority aren't interested in politics, there are obvious attractions for giving votes to 16 year olds but I doubt it's in the iterests of the 16 year olds.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted 16/17 year olds to be given voting privileges after he tried to bribe them with abolishing university tuition fees, He was hoping he could buy their votes.
;)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 29, 2019, 07: AM
. Since then the denegration of the older voter as incontinent, doddery old oafs waving the Union Jack and longing for Empire has been banged out,
The voting surveys show that
on average the Leave voters were older and had less formal education/qualifications than the Remain voters. That is a simple fact. I realise that some are uncomfortable with this and seek to distort the message and traduce 'experts' as they see experts as a synonym for the dreaded 'Elite'. The 'Empire' claim is validated by all those constantly banging on about more trade with Australia & New Zealand etc.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 29, 2019, 07: AM
culminating in the unbelievable utterances celebrating the death of older voters over the preceding three years as a good event for the remain vote. Such bile is beyond normal comprehension.
Total and utter bollocks. I know the quote you think you are using but it did not mean what you try and say. It was actually a dig at those who think the passage of time would help the Remain vote.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 29, 2019, 11: AM
And the Sun's political editor Tom Newton-Dunn says Labour's demands could yet be a spanner in the works.'
Boris Johnson using every trick in the book to marginalise and disenfranchise MPs and Parliament = 'will of the people'.
Corbyn doing same = 'spanner in the works'
Good to see The Sun being impartial for once!
Quote from: fred c on October 29, 2019, 02: PM
Jeremy Corbyn wanted 16/17 year olds to be given voting privileges after he tried to bribe them with abolishing university tuition fees, He was hoping he could buy their votes.
What is the 'Triple Lock' if not a bribe to older voters?
Quote from: mk1 on October 29, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 29, 2019, 07: AM
. Since then the denegration of the older voter as incontinent, doddery old oafs waving the Union Jack and longing for Empire has been banged out,
The voting surveys show that on average the Leave voters were older and had less formal education/qualifications than the Remain voters. That is a simple fact. I realise that some are uncomfortable with this and seek to distort the message and traduce 'experts' as they see experts as a synonym for the dreaded 'Elite'. The 'Empire' claim is validated by all those constantly banging on about more trade with Australia & New Zealand etc.
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Total and utter bollocks. I know the quote you think you are using but it did not mean what you try and say.
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Oh, YOU know the quote I think I'm using. Thank you ever so graciously and humbly for understanding my own thought process better than me. Prececeding the patronising comments with using the phrase 'total and utter bollocks' sums it up.
Quote from: mk1 on October 29, 2019, 03: PM
The voting surveys show that on average the Leave voters were older and had less formal education/qualifications than the Remain voters.
... are you seriously claiming only those with formal education/ qualifications can comprehend the vagaries of politics ? Does life experience and common sense count for nothing ? Jibber jabber like this fuels elitist comments.
That is a simple fact. I realise that some are uncomfortable with this and seek to distort the message and traduce 'experts' as they see experts as a synonym for the dreaded 'Elite'.
Get a grip, this is sinking into some abysmal conspiracy theory
The 'Empire' claim is validated by all those constantly banging on about more trade with Australia & New Zealand etc.
'Banging on'? Actually what is the problem with trade with Australia and New Zealand?
The Empire disappeared a loooooooong time ago, you'll just have to get over it and find something a bit more relevant to fill the phobia gap.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 29, 2019, 08: PM
are you seriously claiming only those with formal education/ qualifications can comprehend the vagaries of politics
NO.
I simply present the facts.
All inferences and perceived slights are in your head.
I know you are trolling and as you did not get a bite with your last reply you thought you would have another go.
Far be it from me to look a gift horse in the mouth so I will use your provocation to give another outing to the findings that set you frothing:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
This information provides much greater depth and detail in explaining the pattern of how the UK voted. The key findings are:
The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census
The age of voters was also important, with older electorates more likely to choose Leave
From the FT in 2016 . A newspaper well known as a bastion of snowflake leftist Stalinist Corbynites.
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Quote from: mk1 on October 29, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 29, 2019, 08: PM
are you seriously claiming only those with formal education/ qualifications can comprehend the vagaries of politics
NO.
I simply present the facts.
All inferences and perceived slights are in your head.
You are NOT the Oracle, just someone who thinks they are. Condescending comments about those that question your infallibility change nothing. The only 'facts' you present are those that suit your viewpoint.
I know you are trolling and as you did not get a bite with your last reply you thought you would have another go.
Here we go again 'You know' .... sorry, questioning is not trolling.
Far be it from me to look a gift horse in the mouth so I will use your provocation ......By 'Gift Horse' I wearily assume you will use it as justification to bombard us with ever more quotes from the Gods to reinforce you being right. ... in your world. Reading your justifications is like holding a cup under Niagra Falls for a cup of water. As for 'provocation', really, has it come to the point where anyone challenging you is provocateur?
I can't wait for December 13th to come around, everything will be back to normal whoever wins, common sense, respect, civilised debate, etc etc will return to parliament.....hopefully those traits will return to The Post.
I wouldn't bank on it where Brexit's involved. It was all supposed to be over the day after the referendum result and normality would return, but that was just the start of the mutterings.
One thing I do know, Steve (RIP) would not have allowed this myopic troll to grace these pages with his inane, insulting, disrespectful nonsense.
As I have mentioned before, the prose of MK1, his hackneyed, aggressive view of other posters, his CAPITAL LETTERS shouting down at those that DARE question his perceived wisdom, all that would have stopped under Steve's stewardship.
I hope he isn't allowed to continue to berate and be so disrespectful to other posters, simply because it 'livens up proceedings'.
From his latest rantings I presume he means the likes of Diane Abbott is more intelligent than us plebs?
The one that can employ an extra 25,000 police officers, over a four year period and it would cost £300,000. When asked how it could cost so little she said "Sorry, I meant £85 million".
Maybe he means Emily Thornberry, the one that sneered at the 'white van man' living in a council house and his 'Union Jack'.
Could it be Tom Watson, he who assisted/encouraged the police to waste millions of pounds chasing innocent people, some to their deaths.
Could it be IRA sympathiser Jeremy Corbyn.This Marxist in chief is world renown for his razor sharp acumen...not.
It really is time MK is banned from the Post, not because he has different views to others but simply because in a free world, his nasty, aggressive, SHOUTY denigration of another point of view is NOT what the readers/contributors of this once fine outlet deserve.
Dictators throughout the ages have used the same, aggressive tactic; degrade, belittle, ride roughshod over another point of view, denigrate and POUND into submission.
The readers of the Hartlepool Post deserve better than this one trick pony.
Quote from: grim reaper on October 30, 2019, 08: AM
One thing I do know, Steve (RIP) would not have allowed this myopic troll to grace these pages with his inane, insulting, disrespectful nonsense.
As I have mentioned before, the prose of MK1, his hackneyed, aggressive view of other posters, his CAPITAL LETTERS shouting down at those that DARE question his perceived wisdom, all that would have stopped under Steve's stewardship.
I hope he isn't allowed to continue to berate and be so disrespectful to other posters, simply because it 'livens up proceedings'.
From his latest rantings I presume he means the likes of Diane Abbott is more intelligent than us plebs?
The one that can employ an extra 25,000 police officers, over a four year period and it would cost £300,000. When asked how it could cost so little she said "Sorry, I meant £85 million".
Maybe he means Emily Thornberry, the one that sneered at the 'white van man' living in a council house and his 'Union Jack'.
Could it be Tom Watson, he who assisted/encouraged the police to waste millions of pounds chasing innocent people, some to their deaths.
Could it be IRA sympathiser Jeremy Corbyn.This Marxist in chief is world renown for his razor sharp acumen...not.
It really is time MK is banned from the Post, not because he has different views to others but simply because in a free world, his nasty, aggressive, SHOUTY denigration of another point of view is NOT what the readers/contributors of this once fine outlet deserve.
Dictators throughout the ages have used the same, aggressive tactic; degrade, belittle, ride roughshod over another point of view, denigrate and POUND into submission.
The readers of the Hartlepool Post deserve better than this one trick pony.
Are you saying the The Abbotcus has a degree? Certainly not in maths!
Plus, I beleive that Care in the Community has failed in certain cases! Make of that what you will!
Quote from: grim reaper on October 30, 2019, 08: AM
One thing I do know, Steve (RIP) would not have allowed this myopic troll to grace these pages with his inane, insulting, disrespectful nonsense................all that would have stopped under Steve's stewardship.
https://youtu.be/p-BBv3GbQzQ?t=33
You are clearly the former.
MK1 is like my partner, always wants the last word, humour him , let him have his way, makes life so much easier.
When it came to members whose contributions were consistently detrimental to the Post, the late Steve preferred putting them on pre-mod rather than banning them.
Quote from: grim reaper on October 30, 2019, 08: AM
One thing I do know, Steve (RIP) would not have allowed...................
You know nothing about what Steve 'wanted'. However given our contacts I think I did.
In the darkest days of the attacks by the Simms Gangsters attacks from FB pages specifically created to target the Post. :
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And current Hartlepool Labour elected Officials openly boasted about stalking him:
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I was in touch with Steve about this and suggested something that would 'discourage' these insane people from such actions. that involved tins of Ravioli. Steve decided it would be unwise to further provoke people who were already unhinged so I did not act in this instance. However I did other things that were not confined to complaints on the internet. iI also dug up a boatload of useful info about the gangsters that made them aware that we
all live in glass houses. I also had one of the group walking around my area trying to find out things about me. A neighbour knew him and he made the mistake of thinking it was a friend. Turns out he was wrong!
I can tell you that 2 regulars here
refused to post specific messages that attacked the Simms mob because they openly admitted they feared retaliation.
Perhaps you can tell us what positive steps to support Steve you took during these troubled times?
Quote from: admin on October 30, 2019, 05: PM
When it came to members whose contributions were consistently detrimental to the Post, the late Steve preferred putting them on pre-mod rather than banning them.
I don't think Bongo/Reaper/Knacker have gone that far but I hope this warning shot helps them moderate their language.
Quote from: grim reaper on October 30, 2019, 08: AM
As I have mentioned before, the prose of MK1, his hackneyed, aggressive view of other posters, his CAPITAL LETTERS shouting down at those that DARE question his perceived wisdom,
What you mean is the proof that the lower your educational standards the more likely you are to vote Leave has triggered you.
Unable to refute this fact you wander off on an crazy anti Corbyn/Abbot rant (why do you think I care?) in an attempt to deflect. Why not, if you think it is wrong, introduce data that refutes this finding?
Seems that Corbyn gets a better (fairer?) press abroad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeeQMOmrcaw
I Bet that took some finding, Hillbilly TV from the USA. I take it it has a select (small, well, tiny) audience for really well educated and enlightened types and therefore able to give a favourable review.
Er, what was the name of the channel again?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 30, 2019, 10: PM
I Bet that took some finding, Hillbilly TV from the USA.
I check lots of foreign 'current affairs' feeds and as it is new it popped up today so I thought I would share. Perhaps you would like the French reaction to the election news? They make a joke about Halloween and the fact a Boris Mask is a popular seller in the UK. If your French is up to it I can give you a link.
As usual you completely missed the point of the Corbyn link-it is a window as to how others see the situation. They may be right they may be wrong but
that is how it is perceivedBut seeing as you opened the door on 'Hilbilly TV' did you catch the article in the last Private Eye that showed how targeting advertisers who get their FB adds placed on extreme political sites has resulted in Aron Bank's platform not posting any new content for months and Tommy Knobinsons platform is sending out begging letters as they no longer make any money? No reputable advertiser wants to be associated with the extremists. Simply telling (for example)Kellogs their adds appear on Tommy Knobinson means they force FB to stop the adds and Tommy loses his income. Wonderful news!
Quote from: mk1 on October 30, 2019, 11: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 30, 2019, 10: PM
I Bet that took some finding, Hillbilly TV from the USA.
I check lots of foreign 'current affairs' feeds and as it is new it popped up today so I thought I would share.
So do I
Perhaps you would like the French reaction to the election news?
They make a joke about Halloween and the fact a Boris Mask is a popular seller in the UK. If your French is up to it I can give you a link.
Patronising comment, but as I receive a French Pension, I'm sure I can cope. I can assess the situation without help from across the channel..
As usual you completely missed the point of the Corbyn link-it is a window as to how others see the situation.
I missed no point. Any fool knows what these links are for.
They may be right they may be wrong but that is how it is perceived
That's stating the bleeding obvious, but do I care what people too detached from the full picture to comment.
But seeing as you opened the door on 'Hilbilly TV' did you catch the article in the last Private Eye that showed how targeting advertisers who get their FB adds placed on extreme political sites has resulted in Aron Bank's platform not posting any new content for months and Tommy Knobinsons platform is sending out begging letters as they no longer make any money? No reputable advertiser wants to be associated with the extremists. Simply telling (for example)Kellogs their adds appear on Tommy Knobinson means they force FB to stop the adds and Tommy loses his income. Wonderful news!
Bad news if you support that sort of thing, but I don't.
My first clik every morning was The Hartlepool Post, no longer, unfortunately it has degenerated into a forum that has very few posters, it always had a reasonably b a lanced spectrum of views, it's focus was on local politics, specifically the antics of the self serving labTor Mob.
That focus has been transferred to an anti independent anti ruling group forum, users have stopped contributing because any point of view that shows any support for leaving the EU or the efforts of the current ruling group and its leader is disected and ridiculed.
Persomnally speaking I believe that things have improved locally, although I do concede that it was a mistake to allow CAB a committee chair, having said that, the new labmob have been determined to oppose anything and everything brought forward by the ruling group.
As for the Brexit saga, all sides / parties have pissballed around the issue from the off and in doing so made national politics in this country a laughing stock....no one comes out of the last 3 years with any credit.
And the award for the best post of the year goes to.....drum roll........................................
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
My first clik every morning was The Hartlepool Post, no longer, unfortunately it has degenerated into a forum that has very few posters, it always had a reasonably b a lanced spectrum of views, it's focus was on local politics, specifically the antics of the self serving labTor Mob.
That focus has been transferred to an anti independent anti ruling group forum, users have stopped contributing because any point of view that shows any support for leaving the EU or the efforts of the current ruling group and its leader is disected and ridiculed.
Persomnally speaking I believe that things have improved locally, although I do concede that it was a mistake to allow CAB a committee chair, having said that, the new labmob have been determined to oppose anything and everything brought forward by the ruling group.
As for the Brexit saga, all sides / parties have pissballed around the issue from the off and in doing so made national politics in this country a laughing stock....no one comes out of the last 3 years with any credit.
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
My first clik every morning was The Hartlepool Post, no longer, unfortunately it has degenerated into a forum that has very few posters, it always had a reasonably b a lanced spectrum of views, it's focus was on local politics, specifically the antics of the self serving labTor Mob.
The mob attracted people to politics, to stop them.
That focus has been transferred to an anti independent anti ruling group forum, users have stopped contributing because any point of view that shows any support for leaving the EU or the efforts of the current ruling group and its leader is disected and ridiculed.
Agreed, but only if we tolerate it. Healthy respectful debate by all means, but posters assuming the self constructed moral high ground and a divine right are unacceptable
Persomnally speaking I believe that things have improved locally, although I do concede that it was a mistake to allow CAB a committee chair, having said that, the new labmob have been determined to oppose anything and everything brought forward by the ruling group.
Local politics have assumed a lower profile compared to the antics of the publicity vampires. If the Independents had swithched to say Labour or the Lib Dem's, this conversation would not be happening. But some people just couldn't stand the choice of the the Brexit Party as it gave some people the vapours and could not be tolerated. Tough!
As for the Brexit saga, all sides / parties have pissballed around the issue from the off and in doing so made national politics in this country a laughing stock....no one comes out of the last 3 years with any credit.
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
My first clik every morning was The Hartlepool Post, no longer, unfortunately it has degenerated into a forum that has very few posters, it always had a reasonably b a lanced spectrum of views, it's focus was on local politics, specifically the antics of the self serving labTor Mob.
That is incorrect. It never was 'balanced'. It was very anti-SCAB and by extension highly critical of all things Labour. Years back there was even an organised effort by UKIP to infiltrate and dominate the forum and many of these posters held extreme views on a number of issues. The main UKIP man had a history that included acts of political violence and he was a member of a far-right Group when several of its members were convicted of fire-bombing synagogues. The far-right have always had a presence here.
Here a link to a page in one of the 'heated debates' that ensued,
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,103.msg1672.html#msg1672
There are dozens of threads where you can see the same for those who want to check the facts. The search button at the top has its uses.
Be aware that the Forum has been destroyed (as in wiped)at least twice and that a good chunk of the old posts no longer exist so it is not the complete picture.
I wonder if anyone knows what happened to this very critical anti-UKIP poster?
Quote from: The Shadow on May 01, 2012, 07: PM
Incidentally... Ever notice how many posts on twitter with eht #UKIP hash tag also have #BNP and #EDL in the same tweet?If you haven't anything to do with these organisations Mike, your party seriously needs to do more to give that impression.
And it is a perfect example of how people can 'change their minds' (without apparently noticing) and become that which they once ridiculed.
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
The Hartlepool Post.......... unfortunately it has degenerated into a forum that has very few posters,
It died with Steve. He was the driving force and he had the contacts to get the real story behind the headlines. Insiders would 'leak' to him and unfortunately we no longer have that conduit. The removal of Labour and the isolation of the SCABs was also a factor. If you don't get the scoops you don't get the traffic. There just is not enough interest in dog-s**t collection issues and sea wall maintenance to sustain the place. FB has grabbed all that mithering and good luck to anyone who thinks they can have an informed 'debate' on that platform.
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
That focus has been transferred to an anti independent anti ruling group forum, users have stopped contributing because any point of view that shows any support for leaving the EU or the efforts of the current ruling group and its leader is disected and ridiculed.
Again incorrect. The 'Forum' is in no way critical of the Brexit Party. The Forum is overwhelmingly silent on the duplicity of
UKIP IU The Brexit Party, I seem to be the only one who mentions it. The problems arise when 'Shane' is criticised and his groupies get the vapours. Criticised with concrete examples of his duplicity. Rather than address these examples his groupies whine and complain they are being bullied.
Are you saying that he should be given a pass simply because he shares your views on Brexit?
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
Personally speaking I believe that things have improved locally, although I do concede that it was a mistake to allow CAB a committee chair,
You used to be very vocal about Doc pothole having a day job in London. You would mention it all the time. I have not heard a single word from you about Tennant. Is he not in the exact same Doc Pothole situation?
Why the silence?
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 01: PM
any support for leaving the EU or the efforts of the current ruling group and its leader is disected and ridiculed.
But it is ok to ridicule Dianne Abbot?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/permalink/1447909405369052/
I see Doc pothole is on The Post FB. No mention (as of 16:30)that Tennant is a direct comparison.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/permalink/1456047307888595/
Quite right - the forum was Steve's baby and it has never recovered from his loss, and those of us fortunate enough to consider ourselves as having been one of his friends miss him, too. But those of us that are left do our poor best to keep things going as part of his legacy. No - it isn't the same, and no - it never will be. Steve himself asked that the Facebook page be created and made public, so that all people could share comments and view it (although only members can write). MK1 may not like Facebook but there are plenty that do. Of course the posts swing all over the place regarding people's views. But that's because the Post Facebook group has over 2,500 random Hartlepudlians writing on it, no doubt with nearly as many opinions. We are NOT going to censor people's comments unless they become legally questionable, contain bad language or contain childish name calling. What people write within these boundaries does NOT represent the views of the Post itself - just think of it like a letters page. The admins. (and do remember that there are only three of them, so it can't be monitored 24/7) do NOT direct the conversations and any moderation is retrospective.
Ok, so Mk1 thinks this board is about dog sh**e issues and the Facebook site does not meet his standards.
So will you be moving on to pastures new....?
I can't be arsed to disect your 4 posts, I really can't, you are fixated by your messianic hatred of Brexit and the Brexit Party and anyone who voted for it.
I did vote leave, but that doesn't make me or the other 17,399,000 other people who voted to leave members of the BNP, National Front, English Defence League or The Nazi Party, although some of them may be.
For the vast majority of us, it simply meant we voted to leave the European Union nothing more nothing less.
Since today is Halloween, I'm sorely tempted to try a little sympathetic magic .... but do I have enough wax & pins?
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 05: PM
I can't be arsed to disect your 4 posts, I really can't,
I will make it simpler then. What are your views on a local Councillor who also has a full-time job in Brussels?.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 31, 2019, 06: PM
Since today is Halloween, I'm sorely tempted to try a little sympathetic magic .... but do I have enough wax & pins?
Crack on... ;D
Quote from: fred c on October 31, 2019, 05: PM
you are fixated by your messianic hatred of Brexit and the Brexit Party and anyone who voted for it.
I repeat this for all those who missed it in an earlier post:
I have never given my support to either side on this issue.I did it deliberately because you can not claim to be, or will be seen as, impartial if you chose a side.
Speaking as someone who's posted on here for the thick end of ten years, the lack of traffic to the forum is correlated with the lack of scoops on the home page. Steve, myself and many others used to get the inside knowledge on what was REALLY going on within HBC.
That information was then hinted at via the forum or often written up in the form of an article on the main page.
Steve wrote most of those, I wrote a few, sometimes Steve, myself and others collaborated. One way or another the stuff HBC seemed to NOT want to become public knowledge DID become public knowledge. That stimulated a lot of debate.
Myself and others including MK1 still do get a lot of inside knowledge but I'd say ( a ) it's not as shocking as some of the stuff that used to go on under previous regimes and ( b ) people's focus currently isn't on the comings and goings within HBC, it's largely on brexit.
Personally speaking my life has moved on and I'm not directly impacted by anything which does or does not happen in HBC anymore.
That's not to say I don't care, it's just less important as it doesn't currently directly impact me.
Rumblings tonight that the Tories might 'sit' on a Intelligence Report about Russian interference in the last GE. Strangely this is not expected to be Russian help for the Labour Party. We also have the orange sex-beast trying to interfere in the Election.
I'm really not sure why trump is even being given a platform on which to have an opinion on the GE. It absolutely stinks
Quote from: diSme on October 31, 2019, 11: PM
I'm really not sure why trump is even being given a platform on which to have an opinion on the GE. It absolutely stinks
Look who gave him the platform. It was Farage (sole owner of The Brexit Party Ltd) and it was a deliberate set-up.
The Russia interference was in the Referendum.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/31/boris-johnson-accused-report-russia-dominic-grieve
Quote from: diSme on October 31, 2019, 11: PM
I'm really not sure why trump is even being given a platform on which to have an opinion on the GE. It absolutely stinks
What 'platform' is that....?
Quote from: mk1 on October 31, 2019, 11: PM
The Russia interference was in the Referendum.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/31/boris-johnson-accused-report-russia-dominic-grieve
There are Bogeymen everywhere, best check under the bed for the next one.
The platform he was given was on LBC radio by Nigel Farage. The conversation between trump and farage was then reported widely in the main media.
Personally I see Trumps endorsement of Farage and Johnson as a win for Labour. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will do the opposite to what Trump says. Anyone who thinks that acting on trumps advice is a good idea is already a lost cause.
Surely, getting a platform is irrelevant? Do we have a proscribed list of non people whose opinion is outrageous to some more less robust political sensitivitys and therefore should not be allowed to speak or comment?
Some people do labour under the delusion that their view is the only, the correct view and are astonished the world doesn't sometimes agree.
As for Trump, I judge him by my test I apply to all politicians. Would I want him as a next door neighbour sat in the garden on a sunny afternoon. Well, no. But he wouldn't be alone in that situation. But I don't class him as the Anti Christ either.
Reading some of this thread, I'm wondering if the script for the new James Bond film's been leaked.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 01, 2019, 10: AM
Reading some of this thread, I'm wondering if the script for the new James Bond film's been leaked.
You're right.
The film titles are being considered, there's.....
1. Doctor Know........(that I'm right and you're wrong)
2. From Russia with Electoral interference......(surely not?)
3. Never say Brexit again.........(and avoid a meltdown in some quarters)
4. You only vote twice....... (till you get the result right!)
Is there any truth in the rumour that the Socialist Labour Party are putting Kevin Cranney forward as their candidate in the general election? If so wouldn't this work against them both by splitting the Labour vote and giving advantage to the other candidates?
Of course it would split the vote, that's their version of kamikaze tactical voting.
Mind you, if he by some miracle he won, I'd want a front for seat in the House for his maiden speech.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 08: AM
Do we have a proscribed list of non people whose opinion is outrageous to some more less robust political sensitivitys and therefore should not be allowed to speak or comment?
and you didn't even blush.....................
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 11: AM
The film titles are being considered, there's.....
'Billy Liar' Boris Johnson's biopic ?
'Goundhog Day' about the current Hartlepool Council?
'Psycho', a film about those who are completely and utterly consumed by a Hard Brexit ?
Quote from: mk1 on November 01, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 08: AM
Do we have a proscribed list of non people whose opinion is outrageous to some more less robust political sensitivitys and therefore should not be allowed to speak or comment?
and you didn't even blush.....................
I don't need to. I've never stopped anyone talking. But nice try.
Quote from: mk1 on November 01, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 11: AM
The film titles are being considered, there's.....
'Billy Liar' Boris Johnson's biopic ?
'Goundhog Day' about the current Hartlepool Council?
'Psycho', a film about those who are completely and utterly consumed by a Hard Brexit ?
I think you'll find the topic was about BOND films. But hijacking it and describing leavers as 'psycho's' does call into question your much heralded neutral pose on the subject.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 05: PM
I think you'll find the topic was about BOND films. But hijacking it and describing leavers as 'psycho's' does call into question your much heralded neutral pose on the subject.
As usual you resort to lies and invention. You manufacture slights so you can tilt at windmills.
The original and the straw man:
As written:
those who are completely and utterly consumed by a Hard Brexit The distortion:
describing leavers as 'psycho's'Note that 'Leave' is not mentioned by me and thus it equally applies to those consumed by opposition to hard Brexit.
Were you the model for this character?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/AomU2H.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnAomU2Hj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/dCBVzB.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pldCBVzBj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/ABmu4C.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poABmu4Cj)
I guess if you are a psycho then you automatically assume everyone is a psycho!
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 02: PM
Of course it would split the vote, that's their version of kamikaze tactical voting.
Mind you, if he by some miracle he won, I'd want a front for seat in the House for his maiden speech.
We could set up a coach party ...
Just a few points...
1. Are 'Hard Brexiteers' not leavers?
2. So your 'guesswork' now labels me as a psycho.
Now as far as I'm aware, I'm not a Psycho. I've encountered a few down the years but again, as far as I know, it's not contagious . So no worries there.
3. That comic you read looks a tad disturbing, if I was you I'd stop reading it.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
Just a few points...
1. Are 'Hard Brexiteers' not leavers?
They could well be. However I did not use the words 'Hard Brexiteers'.
I am very careful with my wording. A nuance that seems to evade you.
'They could well be' doesn't quite fit the bill. They are 'leavers'.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 02: PM
Of course it would split the vote, that's their version of kamikaze tactical voting.
Mind you, if he by some miracle he won, I'd want a front for seat in the House for his maiden speech.
We could set up a coach party ...
Another good idea.... we could book a coach with Bee Line, if it was still in existence.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
'. They are 'leavers'.
On a jet plane?
https://youtu.be/NKdknYaSHgE?t=164
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 02: PM
Of course it would split the vote, that's their version of kamikaze tactical voting.
Mind you, if he by some miracle he won, I'd want a front for seat in the House for his maiden speech.
We could set up a coach party ...
Another good idea.... we could book a coach with Bee Line, if it was still in existence.
Cranney's Charabanc Charter?
The Ditch community (like the DUP)are finding out that Boris is an congenital liar
Private Eye nailed it.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/wAe0Uv.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/powAe0Uvp)
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 01, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 01, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 02: PM
Of course it would split the vote, that's their version of kamikaze tactical voting.
Mind you, if he by some miracle he won, I'd want a front for seat in the House for his maiden speech.
We could set up a coach party ...
Another good idea.... we could book a coach with Bee Line, if it was still in existence.
Cranney's Charabanc Charter?
Apparently it's Socialist Labour Sunshine Tours, they have a converted double decker bus they've been modernising for years.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 01, 2019, 08: PM
Cranney's Charabanc Charter?
Apparently it's Socialist Labour Sunshine Tours, they have a converted double decker bus they've been modernising for years.
How about the famous Brexit Bollox Bus?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/XmiXjq.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnXmiXjqj)
And you say you don't have an opinion on Brexit? Seriously.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 10: PM
And you say you don't have an opinion on Brexit? Seriously.
I thought it was about busses?
By the way where did I say I did not have 'an opinion' on the matter?
As wriggly as a group of eels, greasing bananas in a barrel of olive oil in a lard factory.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 10: PM
As wriggly as a group of eels, greasing bananas in a barrel of olive oil in a lard factory.
Your magniloquence contrasts starkly with your inability to understand plain English
You must have got mixed up, magniloquence is more your style, although the need use such a word on a message board baffles me. It doesn't impress me.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 10: PM
You must have got mixed up, magniloquence is more your style, although the need use such a word on a message board baffles me. It doesn't impress me.
Somehow, this piece of history came to mind ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-x4VBVmIDg
As a constant reader, and occasional contributor, I don't always get every 'in-joke' or reference on here. I may be way wide of the mark here, but is MK1 Harry ? His writing style irritates me in exactly the same way as the 'grate' man's. His insistence on deconstructing other posters is very similar. If it's not Harry, then the two undoubtedly share the same psychosis.
Like FredC and quite a few others I'm sure, my previous inclination to go straight for The Post as my first click of the day has been gradually washed away and diluted until I now find myself dipping in about once a week at most. Why? Well it's been over the past 2 years as the post has rolled downhill and morphed into becoming a boring, repetitive, myopic, obsessive soap box for mki's self-delusions, and the tedious replies and ping-pong arguments they provoke. I reckon my close friend Steve L was spot on when I asked him shortly before his tragic demise as to what he thought was the motivation behind mki's rantings and his ill-considered stance on most issues. In Steve's usual dry and laconic style, his response was along the lines of there being "quite a shallow gene-pool in the Greatham area"
To get back on to the subject of this thread.......Go Richard Tice!! How revolutionary it will be to have an MP who has actually had a job! Who knows how to get things done! Who will help get us out of the poisonous spider EU web! Who will get Hartlepool status as a Freeport within 2 years! Who will stand on a platform of jobs and money for Hartlepool!
Quote from: Hubris on November 09, 2019, 11: AM
In Steve's usual dry and laconic style, his response was along the lines of there being "quite a shallow gene-pool in the Greatham area"
Brilliant just spat my sandwich over the dog laughing :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Hubris on November 09, 2019, 11: AM
. I reckon my close friend Steve L was spot on when I asked him shortly before his tragic demise as to what he thought was the motivation behind mki's rantings and his ill-considered stance on most issues. In Steve's usual dry and laconic style, his response was along the lines of there being "quite a shallow gene-pool in the Greatham area"
Really?
I thought I live at Blackhall?
Quote from: ReturntoZenda on November 03, 2019, 07: AM
but is MK1 Harry ? His writing style irritates me in exactly the same way as the 'grate' man's. His insistence on deconstructing other posters is very similar. If it's not Harry, then the two undoubtedly share the same psychosis.
Steve knew for sure I am not from Greatham We had spoken many times over the years and when discussing the Labour Lunatics sitting outside his house I told him how we could use a certain house to keep a physical eye on any watchers. I also spoke to LL (Sept 2017) about it so it can be confirmed. I only 'fell out of favour' quite recently when I started holding Shane to account for his lies.
There is so much you do not know. Steve and I had regular contact and he would tell me the stories he was working on and I know of a lot of behind the scenes stuff that never went public because it did not pan out. Just checked a few messages and noticed one where Steve informs me one of the more vocal Labour nutters used to be in The Tory Party and that given the source was a former senior party member (wonder who that could have been?)the info was 100% accurate. Steves also kept me up to date with the Police Investigation into the Forum Hacking so I know you are making it up.
Quote from: mk1 on November 01, 2019, 10: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 01, 2019, 10: PM
As wriggly as a group of eels, greasing bananas in a barrel of olive oil in a lard factory.
Your magniloquence contrasts starkly with your inability to understand plain English
Can't see where IK's sentence is remotely close to being magniloquent, whereas the use of the word itself adequately exposes the gaps in mki's education (whether that was in Blackhall/Greatham.....wherever!....both have shallow gene-pools, both have Duelling Banjos as their theme tune).
Webster's gives the word more depth:- Bombast; Ranting; Hot-air; Bragging;Verbosity; Windiness; Prating; Self conceit. All told, thought I was reading your CV!
Quote from: mk1 on November 09, 2019, 05: PM
I thought I live at Blackhall?
If true that explains a lot.....
Quote from: Hubris on November 09, 2019, 11: AM
I reckon my close friend Steve L was spot on when ...................
....................he accurately summed up the racist fruitcakes in UKIP.?
Given the attempts to rewrite the history of the forum and claim Steve would not like the way UKIP were treated (for UKIP read The Brexit Party) or that insult was not something he allowed I thought we could check see what Steve actually said about the fruitcakes:
This:
Quote from: steveL on May 08, 2014, 07: AM
. UKIP isn't a political party - it's a Tribe - the last outpost of Neanderthal Man.
This:
Quote from: steveL on October 10, 2016, 01: PM
Oh I think we're very helpful to UKIP, we're even going to fully publicise their 2015 Manifesto, maybe you'd like to comment Tom on UKIP's plans to bring back the 11+, make those on Jobseekers work for their benefits and to scrap foreign aid from the 5th largest economy n the world. I wonder what Bible thumping George has to say about that. Are you sure it's the Bible he's thumping and not Mein Kempf?...and there's Tim, who failed his 11+
This:
Quote from: steveL on October 09, 2016, 06: PM
[UKIP are throwing money (from their overdraft) at these seats and Hartlepool is a prime target. Arnott has his office in Elwick Road and they are even employing a 'researcher' although he doesn't seem to be very aware of the local scene to be honest. I've said many times now; the target is Iain Wright's seat - they really couldn't give a toss about what goes on in the council – the winning of ward seats is just a stepping stone for the main event.
This:
Quote from: steveL on November 22, 2016, 04: PM
The main achievement of UKIP is to convince the rest of us that we have a failed education system.
This:
Quote from: steveL on May 01, 2015, 10: AM
KD, let me explain where I'm coming from here. I do this in the full knowledge that you won't bother to read this properly because your own views are entrenched, are not open to modification and have remained that way since your days in the BNP. UKIP have, do and always will continue to disgust me. They reside in the UK's wheelie bin of prejudice, bigotry and plain ignorance.
While Hitler used the Jewish people and the Turks used the Christian Armenians to dump the blame for all national ills, UKIP choose to widen the scope by blaming all things foreign and they do so through the use of selective evidence while displaying the highest level of hypocrisy.
My comment was motivated because I know, and the evidence shows, that UKIP do not give a toss about the UK fishing industry. Others have explained just how well UKIP have stuck up for that industry within the EU – they don't bother to turn up at the negotiations, let alone stick up for the fishing industry, yet they are happy enough to go on picking up their generous EU salaries and make best use of EU expense claim forms - no boycott there.
For you and UKIP, the fishing industry and the people who depend on it are nothing more than just another route to have a go at the EU and Johnny Foreigner. In other words, while you are keen to make use of their plight, you are not willing to do anything about it.
UKIP have nothing to offer but ignorance and bigotry as you've proven so well through years of posting on this forum.
As for insults this is a corker:
Quote from: steveL on October 08, 2016, 04: PM
Here's a pic for 'political prostitute' Shane (not a description of mine but I so wish it was) ..............
So I won't be taking any more lectures from revisionist for keeping to the line that Steve used when he was running things.
Brilliant, Curly, Larry & Moe have reformed and are doing a season on the Post!
Er, I don't think anybody's interested.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 09, 2019, 06: PM
Er, I don't think anybody's interested.
Why not? You were very popular at one time.
https://youtu.be/XveKpKO6VVQ?t=15
Quote from: mk1 on November 09, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 09, 2019, 06: PM
Er, I don't think anybody's interested.
Why not? You were very popular at one time.
https://youtu.be/XveKpKO6VVQ?t=15
Not a problem you'll have.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 10, 2019, 05: PM
Not a problem you'll have.
Golly gosh I just noticed you have been using the exact same arguments that right wing nut-job Ben Shapiro trotted out when Andrew Neil totally destroyed him in an interview. He even uses the same 'I am more popular' jab. Are you by any chance related?
https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E?t=840
I never for one micro second claimed to be more popular than anyone, nor would I ....but you are starting from subterranean levels.
I love how you try to label someone a right wing nut job by the most tenuous of links.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 10, 2019, 08: PM
I love how you try to label someone a right wing nut job by the most tenuous of links.
Ben Shapiro
is a US right-wing nut job. Its your understanding of US Politics that is tenuous.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ben+shapiro+best+moments+
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zL4DMpDXjBg (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zL4DMpDXjBg)
That is one of the few sane moments from the car-crash Hartlepool Question Time.
Quote from: mk1 on November 10, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 10, 2019, 08: PM
I love how you try to label someone a right wing nut job by the most tenuous of links.
Ben Shapiro is a US right-wing nut job. Its your understanding of US Politics that is tenuous.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ben+shapiro+best+moments+
If you want to spend your waking hours trawling every obscure website to discover some irrelevant piece of twaddle to stick on here, crack on.
I know who Ben Shapiro is, you can't miss him, he's everywhere. As for the self delusional belief you are the oracle of US politics to explain it to us humble oafs is beyond parody. Oh dear.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50372495
Bet labour is bricking it.........
If anybody can lose Labour's seat for Hartlepool, it must be Mike Hill.
Surely there must have been somebody with a bit of a profile and a record of achievement ?
Councillors like Dave Hunter, Amy Prince and maybe others have a bigger and more positive presence than Mike.
I don't know Mike personally and this is not meant as a personal attack, this is a worry that we might have to put up with Boris as PM.
Worried.
I love how they cry for democracy but will be very happy if we have a right wing government with a far right wing opposition.Only in Hartlepool.
Quote from: Land Phil on November 11, 2019, 12: PM
this is a worry that we might have to put up with Boris as PM.
Worried.
Not as worried as if you should be if Comrade Corbyn and Mastermind Abbot end up in charge ....
Quote from: pensionater on November 11, 2019, 01: PM
I love how they cry for democracy but will be very happy if we have a right wing government with a far right wing opposition.Only in Hartlepool.
Who are they.......?
Quote from: pensionater on November 11, 2019, 01: PM
I love how they cry for democracy but will be very happy if we have a right wing government with a far right wing opposition.Only in Hartlepool.
None of the zealots care about Democracy. As the recent subterfuge by Shane shows they will (temporarily) call themselves anything they think will get them elected. They will lie and cheat to get control and many of those who spent years banging on about Labour lies and deception suddenly become mute. It appears that lies and deception are no longer an issue when the liars and deceivers have the same political agenda as 'you'.
Quote from: mk1 on November 11, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: pensionater on November 11, 2019, 01: PM
I love how they cry for democracy but will be very happy if we have a right wing government with a far right wing opposition.Only in Hartlepool.
None of the zealots care about Democracy. As the recent subterfuge by Shane shows they will (temporarily) call themselves anything they think will get them elected. They will lie and cheat to get control and many of those who spent years banging on about Labour lies and deception suddenly become mute. It appears that lies and deception are no longer an issue when the liars and deceivers have the same political agenda as 'you'.
Give that man a drink- bang on!
Quote from: mk1 on November 11, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: pensionater on November 11, 2019, 01: PM
I love how they cry for democracy but will be very happy if we have a right wing government with a far right wing opposition.Only in Hartlepool.
None of the zealots care about Democracy. As the recent subterfuge by Shane shows they will (temporarily) call themselves anything they think will get them elected. They will lie and cheat to get control and many of those who spent years banging on about Labour lies and deception suddenly become mute. It appears that lies and deception are no longer an issue when the liars and deceivers have the same political agenda as 'you'.
Or....... not agreeing with you. Mind you, if you take the word 'Shane' out and the flannel about Labour, it could apply to national politicians, especially the remainer variety.
So at what point to the Tories 'conicidentally' announce they no longer have a candidate for Hartlepool and may struggle to field one . . ?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2019, 06: PMOr....... not agreeing with you. Mind you, if you take the word 'Shane' out and the flannel about Labour, it could apply to national politicians, especially the remainer variety.
You started well but your handicap was too great and you fell at the last fence.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2019, 07: AM
If you want to spend your waking hours trawling every obscure website to discover some irrelevant piece of twaddle to stick on here, crack on.
I know who Ben Shapiro is, you can't miss him, he's everywhere. As for the self delusional belief you are the oracle of US politics to explain it to us humble oafs is beyond parody. Oh dear.
Given Farage has been trying to replicate the US Tea Party tactics for decades and is a frequent US Right-wing TV pundit you should care. Boris is now going down that same path. I have seen the future in the USA and it is not pretty. Politics there is completely polarised and there is no compromise on anything. Its all about power and once in office elected officials openly alter voting districts in order to disenfranchise the other side. The latest Republican tactic is that if they lose power in a state the last act of the outgoing administration is to pass a raft of new legislation that removes all powers from the incoming group and gift it to their own people who can not be 'unelected'. The warped thinking of those like Michelle Bachmann is heading our way. Breitbart is intimately linked to Farage. Steve Bannon is a Farage confidant. Scumbags like Carl Benjamin who replicate the disgraceful antics of Alex Jones are even allowed to run as UKIP MEPs.
I have seen the future, Be afraid, be very afraid.
Quote from: mk1 on November 11, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2019, 06: PMOr....... not agreeing with you. Mind you, if you take the word 'Shane' out and the flannel about Labour, it could apply to national politicians, especially the remainer variety.
You started well but your handicap was too great and you fell at the last fence.
My 'hadicap' was expecting you to comprehend, pictograms next time.
Quote from: mk1 on November 11, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2019, 07: AM
If you want to spend your waking hours trawling every obscure website to discover some irrelevant piece of twaddle to stick on here, crack on.
I know who Ben Shapiro is, you can't miss him, he's everywhere. As for the self delusional belief you are the oracle of US politics to explain it to us humble oafs is beyond parody. Oh dear.
Given Farage has been trying to replicate the US Tea Party tactics for decades and is a frequent US Right-wing TV pundit you should care. Boris is now going down that same path. I have seen the future in the USA and it is not pretty. Politics there is completely polarised and there is no compromise on anything. Its all about power and once in office elected officials openly alter voting districts in order to disenfranchise the other side. The latest Republican tactic is that if they lose power in a state the last act of the outgoing administration is to pass a raft of new legislation that removes all powers from the incoming group and gift it to their own people who can not be 'unelected'. The warped thinking of those like Michelle Bachmann is heading our way. Breitbart is intimately linked to Farage. Steve Bannon is a Farage confidant. Scumbags like Carl Benjamin who replicate the disgraceful antics of Alex Jones are even allowed to run as UKIP MEPs.
I have seen the future, Be afraid, be very afraid.
I DON'T CARE. If you want to waste your life 'educating the great unwashed' ( aka anyone who doesn't share your world vision) crack on, nevevread them shouty lectures anyway.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 12, 2019, 07: AM
I DON'T CARE...........nevevread them .....
Yes you come across as very indifferent, unmoved and .......................untriggered!
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Is that your passport photo?
it's just like I margined it would be, but not that calm.
Much chuntering about Farge and his decision not to contest Tory seats and claims it was a 'brilliant' tactical move. Reality is The Brexit Party are tanking in the polls (blue line on 9%)and are at half the Liberal numbers. This is going to be another Farage fail and he is desperately looking at ways to spin the humiliation. That is also why he chickened out of standing as an MP.
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After the wipe-out will we get another name-change from Shane?
SLP perhaps?
Chart from Mk1 Warning.
Nothing to see, here move along please ladies and gents.
Good to see our 'friends' in the USA and the Commonwealth (New Zealand and Australia)are helping the UK over the Brexit problems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50419130?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk&link_location=live-reporting-story
Basically, what it boils down to is you like nothing better than a good moan, a miserable bugger whose cup isn't half full, it hasn't even got a bottom in it.
Doubtless all this guff and charts will cease abruptly after the election.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 15, 2019, 07: AM
Basically, what it boils down to is you like nothing better than a good moan, a miserable bugger whose cup isn't half full, it hasn't even got a bottom in it.
Doubtless all this guff and charts will cease abruptly after the election.
Unlikely if you do a search of this forum.......
Wasn't thinking there was I. ;D
I genuinely have no idea where to put my vote in the upcoming election. I don't see any viable option that would best represent my interests. I feel like this is the UK'S version of Trump vs Clinton.
Quote from: diSme on November 18, 2019, 11: AM
I genuinely have no idea where to put my vote in the upcoming election. I don't see any viable option that would best represent my interests. I feel like this is the UK'S version of Trump vs Clinton.
I agree- but it seems the lesser of two evils. I do not trust Boris...but I think Jeremy is unhinged and truly dangerous.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZZF5XCDBM
The concept of this man, with Macdonald and Abbot in charge of this country is truly frightening.
The SDP approach is ignore the referendum and stay in Europe.......lets not let democracy get in the way of building a parties delusions.
So the options to me are destroy ballot paper or vote Conservative.
The only benefit of a Conservative vote is it may help keep the Looney Left out.....then again in aaartle pool many will continue to vote labour cos they always have done......
I hope I am wrong I would love to see the smile wiped of the Mike Hills smarmy face
Then again I might just bin the voting card as all politicians are a waste of space....
He loses his rag rather quickly in interviews.
Boris doing a 'Dianne Abbot'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50496609
Which makes him a bit like you on message boards.
Who is this Richard Tice bloke exactly?
Does anyone have any beef on him? Positive or negative...
The two above will no doubt give you an unbiased appraisal of the gentleman and if you believe that I'm an Admiral in the Chinese Navy.
Stand back for a rabid feeding frenzy and much use of the ever popular term of affection and endearment..... 'Bong Eyed Loony' or 'fruitcake'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 02: PM
Stand back for a rabid feeding frenzy and much use of the ever popular term of affection and endearment..... 'Bong Eyed Loony' or 'fruitcake'.
Sorry just checked my memberships and see no mention of him in the Bong Eyed Loony club- apparently I'm a member.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 02: PM
I'm an Admiral in the Chinese Navy.
Quite an important job given the Chinese Navy dwarfs the RN.
Can anyone tell me what the blurb says on the Cranney election billboard poster on Advanced House (the 'old' Hartlepool Mail office) It's a wonder there hasn't been any RTA's with drivers seeing his ugly mug and trying to read the promises!
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 02: PM
I'm an Admiral in the Chinese Navy.
Quite an important job given the Chinese Navy dwarfs the RN.
I prefer quality to quantity, now hurry up back to Wikipedia and expand your nautical knowledge.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
I prefer quality to quantity, now hurry up back to Wikipedia and expand your nautical knowledge.
No need for Wiki on this subject. In terms of size, capability and slip-way tonnage the Chinese have the RN as a very distant object in their rear-view mirror. Even the Japanese Navy is bigger than the RN.
I even know your reply is from the first google hit (Top Ten Navies Of The World-
There are around 30 destroyers, 50 frigates and 40 corvettes. Though some of the older warships are not as capable as their Western or even Russian counteprarts ) when YOU tried to expand your naval knowledge!
And your actual practical experience of the Royal Navy is........?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
And your actual practical experience of the Royal Navy is........?
I once bought a packet of Navy Cut for my grandfather.
That much eh...?
Using current polling data there are two possible outcomes on Dec 12
1)Boris gets a majority and can pass May's EU Deal.
2)Labour and The Libs get enough seats to deny Boris a majority..
It follows from those 2 that either we get May's Deal or a softer Lib-Lab Deal.
No matter which result this means there is no Hard Brexit.
It would be easy to be fooled by the Brexit Party organised spamming of local message boards but in fact they exert way more influence locally than they do nationally.. Currently they are on about 5% so they have no realistic prospect of enacting a single one of their policies. They are an irrelevance and maybe we should be kinder to those who still claim they are the voice of 'the majority'.
I expect those looking for a return of the fishing fleet are also going to get a shock. During the EU negotiations the needs of The City will always count for more than the fishermen. I expect Boris (if it is he) to trade fishing rights for better access for The City. Just like the DUP the fisherman will find out what the underside of a bus looks like.
When it happens you'll be so excited. You'll call a school assembly and give us your good news while Mr Chips plays the Organ.
Quote from: diSme on November 22, 2019, 02: PM
Who is this Richard Tice bloke exactly?
Does anyone have any beef on him? Positive or negative...
Tice is the current MEP for East of England. He's 55. Born in Farnham. Successful businessman with 30 yrs experience. Has a track record of fixing things, making things happen and getting things done. His election platform is built on :-1. making Brexit a fact (ie delivering what 69.6% of us voted for) 2. Bring investment, money and jobs to Hartlepool 3. Change politics for good (like - abolish the House of Lords, sort out the corrupt postal voting scam, reform the British Biased Corporation, roll-back on the 50 years of squandered opportunity in Hartlepool caused by labour's complacency and their stranglehold on power)
He's personable, affable, relaxed, polite, genial. We'd be proud and lucky to have him as Hartlepool's ambassador/representative.
diSme......give him a chance, why not? or, go with the cardboard cut-out, the Invisible Mr. H, or maybe go for the Incredible Cran! (and then just imagine having to watch his toe-curling inaugural speech in the 'owse of communns)
Vote Tice.....Help Change Hartlepool for Good!
(Catching you up mikeyboy. Now my hammered keyboard is up to about 120. Only need 5463 more to get level. No doubt your enormous collection of junior encyclopedias would give you the answer to tonight's homework question.......Who said "It's quality not quantity that counts"?)
sterling ;D
Quote from: kevplumb on November 23, 2019, 10: PM
sterling ;D
Is that David Stirling, the founder of the SAS?
Quote from: Hubris on November 23, 2019, 10: PM
Tice is the current MEP for East of England. He's 55. Born in Farnham. Successful businessman with 30 yrs experience. Has a track record of fixing things, making things happen and getting things done...................
............But has no idea who owns 42% of his company shares.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-farages-brexit-party-chairman-facing-questions-over-offshore-tax-haven-links/
During the early 1990s, 40% of the company's shares were transferred to two companies in tax havens – Sunciera Holdings Corporation (registered in Panama) and Shuttlecock Holdings Limited (registered in the British Virgin Islands).Half the firms profits are paid overseas and thus save the mystery owners of 42% of the shares a substantial amount of UK tax. UK Tax that would help fund the NHS.
There is no suggestion that Tice or his family are the mystery owners.
Your hero Jezza and his Corbynomics will sort it out. ::)
Quote from: Hubris on November 23, 2019, 10: PM
Quote from: diSme on November 22, 2019, 02: PM
Who is this Richard Tice bloke exactly?
Does anyone have any beef on him? Positive or negative...
Tice is the current MEP for East of England. He's 55. Born in Farnham. Successful businessman with 30 yrs experience. Has a track record of fixing things, making things happen and getting things done. His election platform is built on :-1. making Brexit a fact (ie delivering what 69.6% of us voted for) 2. Bring investment, money and jobs to Hartlepool 3. Change politics for good (like - abolish the House of Lords, sort out the corrupt postal voting scam, reform the British Biased Corporation, roll-back on the 50 years of squandered opportunity in Hartlepool caused by labour's complacency and their stranglehold on power)
He's personable, affable, relaxed, polite, genial. We'd be proud and lucky to have him as Hartlepool's ambassador/representative.
diSme......give him a chance, why not? or, go with the cardboard cut-out, the Invisible Mr. H, or maybe go for the Incredible Cran! (and then just imagine having to watch his toe-curling inaugural speech in the 'owse of communns)
Vote Tice.....Help Change Hartlepool for Good!
(Catching you up mikeyboy. Now my hammered keyboard is up to about 120. Only need 5463 more to get level. No doubt your enormous collection of junior encyclopedias would give you the answer to tonight's homework question.......Who said "It's quality not quantity that counts"?)
Thank you Hubris.
Apologies as I have only just noticed this response to my question ::)
I have just received my ballot paper today, and as it stands, I see no reason to not give him a chance. He's worked harder to get my vote than any other candidate. I haven't received anything at all from any other party/candidate, and that alone speaks volumes to me about how hard someone is prepared to work to achieve something.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/voters-urged-quiz-hartlepools-general-election-candidates-hustings-1326085 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/voters-urged-quiz-hartlepools-general-election-candidates-hustings-1326085)
QuoteThere are six candidates all vying to become Hartlepool's MP and are Joe Bousefield (Independent), Kevin Cranney (Socialist Labour Party), Andy Hagon (Liberal Democrats), Mike Hill (Labour), Stefan Houghton (Conservative) and Richard Tice (Brexit Party).
Each candidate will be given five minutes to address the audience before fielding a variety of questions.
Somebody please video Chaos Cranney..........
My last encounter with a Labour canvasser was Barclay. He knocked on the door and when I opened it he said nothing and thrust a leaflet at me. I stood there and refused to accept it, waiting for him to naturally say something, but he turned on his heels and walked down the path without closing the gate. Very odd behaviour. Two minutes later one of my sons who was visiting called me into the front room and there was Barclay stood opposite pointing at the house to two minions.
Never had a visit from them since, but to me it summed up their lazy, take you for granted, you're voting for us anyway mindset.
He was probably pi$$ed and thought it was his house, then got confused when you opened the door.
Now you mention it he did have a 'where the feck am I, WHO are you' look on his face. Quickly followed by the penny dropping and his two minders I assume telling him "no you really don't live there, look it has tiles on the roof".