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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 26, 2019, 07: PM

Title: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 26, 2019, 07: PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1588378621265472&id=1069567936479879
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Grumblstiltskin on January 26, 2019, 09: PM
This is an absolute disgrace, anybody reading this must be online, we should stop this, we really should. Any ideas people because this needs to stop NOW!
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 26, 2019, 09: PM
There was a suggestion by HBC that the two groups met up to iron out what was wanted/feasible but hopes that TVCA could work wonders (which wasn't ever truly an option - being completely out of their remit) seemed to cloud the issue. So the talks never happened and here we are. Maybe we can (between us all) effect some sort of eleventh hour salvation for the cabin owners and the Wildcats of Middleton. Gnasher will no doubt have his own thoughts on the matter.

Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Johnny Bongo on January 26, 2019, 10: PM
So, TVCA gave the cabin owners some hope, only to let them down at the last minute?  Makes me wonder if HBC had a hand in 'persuading' TVCA not to go ahead!  Forgive my ignorance but do HBC lease the land from PD ports and then sub let it to Middleton Cabin Owners? If so, HBC will lose the rent but still be paying for the lease.  What's PD ports opinion on all this?  If the land is not going to be used for anything else, then why are HBC wanting them off?  I can understand that rent needs to be paid and that it cannot be subsidised due to cuts in Council funding...but when you look at how much money has been given to 'certain' charitable causes in Hartlepool over the last few years, then £17K is peanuts!   I sincerely hope that the cabin owners come to a mutually beneficial arrangement and that they can stay.  I also hope that whoever it is in HBC that thinks it's a good idea to turf folks out of their cabins, get's their cumeuppance soon! 
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 26, 2019, 10: PM
HBC do lease the land from PD Ports and then sub let to the cabins. In fairness to TVCA, however, it was third parties who (misguidedly) hoped that TVCA could deliver something completely out of their remit. The problem is that Middleton Cabins didn't acknowledge this in time. Once again, to be fair, HBC did reach out to the Middleton Cabin owners last autumn but the misguided hopes of TVCA's intervention meant that this wasn't properly explored.





Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Johnny Bongo on January 26, 2019, 10: PM
So who exactly benefits from evicting the cabin owners?  HBC?  No rent/ lease money from MCO.  PD Ports?  Same money from HBC.  I cannot figure out just what HBC expect to gain by this.  They are alienating a group of people whose social lives and hobbies will be eliminated through no fault of their own, all because HBC can't get the money they want!  Funny how they let certain people off with £1000's for business rates and don't demand the 106 money from house builders!  Remind us all again just how much HBC could have collected in the last few years.  Let's not even mention the price of carpets! 
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 26, 2019, 11: PM
Nobody wins. Everyone loses.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on January 27, 2019, 07: AM
It always strikes me some 'projects' are more equal than others. I doubt there's many votes in fighting for a group of men quietly enjoying their hobby/pastime in a small isolated community setting. They'll just to have to make their hobby more 'sexy' to appeal to the masses or grow bigger elbows to survive in this travesty of a situation.
So sad, because a couple of moths after it's cleared, it'll be a fly tipped eyesore with sea views.
Another little piece of Hartlepool history sinks quietly away.
At least we'll have the consolation of new street furniture in Stockton Street, all pointless flamboyance and adornment as the town turns into a third rate Garden of Babylon.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: fred c on January 27, 2019, 08: AM
Where's Hartlepools "Istry & Eritige"  champion in all of this, they can threaten a business owner because his front door does not comply with heritage rules, but sit back and do nothing about a long standing traditional feature of Middleton.

What boils many peoples urine about this is the vast amount of public money that has been dished out to councillor run 'Businesses'.......
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: mr ben on January 27, 2019, 11: AM
This makes me feel very angry when you look at what belcher  and his pipe dreams cost .. HBC rolled over when the marina got developed and the Middleton ramp was taken away from the people . This town really needs to wake up , labour is not working for its towns folk it working to keep its useless  Councillors  in a job ..
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on January 27, 2019, 07: PM
I see the suits and the latter day Regency Dandy's of politics as having no comprehension of things like the Middleton Cabins. They inhabit a sterile world incapabable of understanding the core value of such vital building blocks of the greater community.
We, as a town, are 'lead' by dim narcissists leading us nowhere other than dormitory town ignominy. I see no real vision for our town from them other than their twee beautification projects that ironically make things worse.
Things like the cabins are part of the fabric of the town, we seem to keep losing things we took for granted, courts, hospital, now policing. Now the little things are slipping away.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 26, 2019, 09: PM
Think this short film says it all.  Courtesy of Hartlepool TV. 

https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/vb.1773778589599090/557574254763026/?type=2&theater
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on February 27, 2019, 06: AM
In the bigger picture, the amount in question is negligible. I suspect the time spent over a long period having countless meetings with different bodies, the paperwork, even the costs associated discussing it will come to a total not much different from the amount needed.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Hartlepudlion on February 27, 2019, 07: AM
The huts probably don't fit in with the CABs stylish vision of the town. Too untidy. Then again, the same thing could be said of the Seaton huts. Whoops! Silly me! They're beach huts.

Perhaps they are simply not cat persons.

Still time for a white knight to ride in before May's election. Where is doc pothole? Oh! He's supposedly gone back to where he came from with his tale between his legs.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on February 27, 2019, 08: AM
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on February 27, 2019, 07: AM
The huts probably don't fit in with the CABs stylish vision of the town. Too untidy. Then again, the same thing could be said of the Seaton huts.
The use of the words 'stylish' and 'vision' are words I don't usually associate with them, but 'Too untidy' does.
Mind you, in contrast to the Seaton 'beach side retreats' (huts), your huts are actually being used.
Have you considered painting your huts in various pastel shades with twee novelty features to appeal to a more trendy cosmopolitan clientele and they may then cough up the cash.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: stokoe on February 27, 2019, 08: AM
Don't think he's liked pussies for a while.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Johnny Bongo on February 27, 2019, 03: PM
Have MCO asked PD Ports directly if there is any proposed development of the site?  If not, would PD Ports intervene on behalf of MCO.  Have MCO tried to come to an arrangement with PD Ports directly over any rent/ lease arrangements?  Has one of the Cabal got plans for the site....possibly a new CIC or Charity? 
It seems that HBC are cutting off their own nose ( via the loss of rent) just to spite MCO.   
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: SRMoore on February 27, 2019, 03: PM
There is way more to this story than meets the eye. I haven't got enough time atm to delve right in but figured I'd clear a basic point up that Jonny raised.

PD Ports own the land, HBC lease it off them and then lease it on to Middleton Cabin Owners.

PD Ports raised the rent at the same time HBC said they could no longer afford to subsidise the rent by £10k per year whilst making cuts to other services. As a consequence Middleton Cabin Owners were told they would need to cover the difference between them.

Lease is up for renewal and MCO have told HBC they will not/cannot pay the increased rent but they still want HBC to enter into a new lease with PD Ports on their behalf. Obviously the council is not minded to do this given the financial risk involved should MCO not pay as HBC would be left to pick up the tab.

It should also be pointed out that PD Ports have recently stated that even if a new lease was sought they would look to review rent again prior to lease being signed as rental value has gone up since last valuation. (Their words not mine)
They have also indicated that should the site be cleared it would make it easier for them to expand on operations from Irvine Quay and provide better access to it.

I hope that helps paint a clearer picture of the situation.
Title: Re: Middleton Cabin Owners issue a press release.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on February 27, 2019, 06: PM
Shane's right in that this isn't quite as simple as people have assumed.