General Election June 8th

[stokoe]

Wonder if there's any money laundering going on in hartlepool?

[akarjl]

Wonder if there's any money laundering going on in hartlepool?

? Odd comment could you elaborate please?

[mk1]

How quickly things change. Corbyn set to increase Labour's share of the vote to more than that gained by those who kept telling him he was unelectable. We have seen one of the greatest come-backs since Forest went  to play the away half of their European Cup match against Cologne in 1979

[steveL]

How quickly things change. Corbyn set to increase Labour's share of the vote to more than that gained by those who kept telling him he was unelectable. We have seen one of the greatest come-backs since Forest went  to play the away half of their European Cup match against Cologne in 1979

Perhaps something for him to reminisce about as he rides into the sunset on June 9th.

People should vote for whomever they want; that is how the system works even if, somewhat bizarrely, the current system guarantees that the majority of people do not get what they want.

For what it's worth, here are my own thoughts.

UKIP

UKIP are not going to win in Hartlepool. Now at a steady 4% in the national polls, the bubble has well and truly burst. More than likely, the party will come a poor third. Philip Broughton is a Gobshite; a war-time spiv out of his time and trying to make the most of his 15 minutes of fame.

I would not be at all surprised if, after the election, someone more sensible calls time on UKIP leaving the original hard core of xenophobes and racists to regroup under a different banner.

Labour

I have followed this election quite keenly from day one and despite Labour closing the gap with the Tories; I have not seen any knowledgeable person or poll come close to suggesting that Labour might end up with an overall majority. Even those toying with the possibility of a hung parliament acknowledge that Labour would be entirely dependent on the issue-by-issue support of the Scottish Nationalists.  Such support will come at a price and passive support for Independence will be top of the list.

Five years of having an unknown UNISON official representing Hartlepool in opposition from the backbenches is of absolutely no use to Hartlepool whatsoever.  It would leave the town in the position of treading water for yet another five years. Actually, I do not believe Labour are entitled to hold the seat after occupying it for 53 years. I think of those years Mandelson was MP and Tony Blair, the Prime Minister was just 13 miles away in Sedgefield. If ever Labour were going to do anything for Hartlepool, they would have done so then.

Conservatives.

The principle aim of politicians is the preservation of power and the Tories will have learnt a lot from this campaign, not least just how vulnerable they are over public services. I would expect the brakes to start coming off austerity in the next couple of years as minds begin to focus on the 2022 election.

Right now BREXIT is the thing. If there is anyone, still out there who believes that Jeremy Corbyn, with the pro-EU Nicola Sturgeon on his shoulder, is going to come back from Brussels with a better deal than that Theresa May would have managed and one that comes close to what people voted for in the referendum then I suggest they think again.

Their Hartlepool candidate, Carl Jackson, might do bugger all for Hartlepool – but it's a might.

With Labour's Mike Hill, languishing on the opposition backbenches, it's a certainty he would do bugger all. He would be in no position to do anything.

There is the possibility ( and that is all it is ) that Jackson might be able to swing our way some of those Government jobs that the Tories are promising to shift to the regions. That 'possibility' is more than Labour have managed to offer Hartlepool in the whole of the last 53 years.

Remember too that the only significant changes that have occurred in Hartlepool: The Marina, the £37m City Challenge money, the Local Growth Fund that is rebuilding the College of Art and even the renewal of Seaton and Headland sea defences came about as a result of Tory initiatives and funding.

Makes Yer Think.

[mk1]

Perhaps something for him to reminisce about as he rides into the sunset on June 9th.

Corbyn's critics have made it a win-win situation for him. He was written off and claims made that Labour would waste away to nothing and  become an irrelevance. Despite an almost constant stream of hysterical  lies about Corbyn the people have warmed to him. He is now in a position where May is not even sure if she will win a majority.
All Corbyn has to do is avoid total annihilation and his critics will be dumbfounded. Looks like he is going to do a lot better than survive.  There are going to be some very red faces (pun intended) after the count and Corbyn will be secure in his position. The Blairites have been routed and  hopefully they will slink off to spend  more time with their money.

[akarjl]

Perhaps something for him to reminisce about as he rides into the sunset on June 9th.

Corbyn's critics have made it a win-win situation for him. He was written off and claims made that Labour would waste away to nothing and  become an irrelevance. Despite an almost constant stream of hysterical  lies about Corbyn the people have warmed to him. He is now in a position where May is not even sure if she will win a majority.
All Corbyn has to do is avoid total annihilation and his critics will be dumbfounded. Looks like he is going to do a lot better than survive.  There are going to be some very red faces (pun intended) after the count and Corbyn will be secure in his position. The Blairites have been routed and  hopefully they will slink off to spend  more time with their money.

...and Professor A-bot -CSE Ariffma Tic is "not well" and speculation Corbyn has realised she is a complete liability now that he is sniffing at the gates. So that combined with wobbly gobs destruction of the police force.......god help us.

[akarjl]

http://news.sky.com/story/fears-ireland-was-uk-gateway-for-london-bridge-attacker-10906691

A senior Islamic cleric has told Sky News he suspects one of the London Bridge attackers entered the UK by crossing the Irish land border.

Rachid Redouane's arrival via Dublin has fuelled concerns that jihadists could use Ireland as a gateway for further acts of terrorism.

The 30-year-old Moroccan had been refused asylum in the UK so moved to the Irish Republic, married a British woman there and applied for an EU card.

Dr Umar Al Qadri, Imam at the Islamic Centre of Ireland, said: "Anyone from Britain can very easily travel to Ireland under the radar by travelling to Belfast and at Belfast airports as well as the port, there is no passport controls.

"These individuals can then just take the bus and go to Dublin so it's very easy for them to come to Dublin, come to Ireland and then stay under the radar."

Lets see what, if anything the so called leaders have to say about this.....refused entry....travel to ireland...get EU card= open door.

Now tell me we should stay in Europe.

http://news.sky.com/story/kurdish-security-boss-uk-terror-laws-too-soft-10906702

Lahur Talabany tells Sky News that the UK must arrest anyone posing a terror threat - not wait until they carry out an attack.

Ironic we need a Kurd to point out the obvious ( well for those who are ignoring the elephant...)

= Internment of those deemed a high level security risk.
= Closure of mosques they attend- as Imans did not report them as risks
= actually apply

the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 makes hateful behaviour towards a victim based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) in a racial group or a religious group an aggravation in sentencing for specified crimes.

so anyone on the street running around demanding Sharia Law or for the killing of christians locked up and interned.

Gloves off.

Unfortunately neither Labour or Conservatives have the balls to take a hard line.

[Lord Elpus]

http://news.sky.com/story/fears-ireland-was-uk-gateway-for-london-bridge-attacker-10906691

A senior Islamic cleric has told Sky News he suspects one of the London Bridge attackers entered the UK by crossing the Irish land border.

Rachid Redouane's arrival via Dublin has fuelled concerns that jihadists could use Ireland as a gateway for further acts of terrorism.

The 30-year-old Moroccan had been refused asylum in the UK so moved to the Irish Republic, married a British woman there and applied for an EU card.

Dr Umar Al Qadri, Imam at the Islamic Centre of Ireland, said: "Anyone from Britain can very easily travel to Ireland under the radar by travelling to Belfast and at Belfast airports as well as the port, there is no passport controls.

"These individuals can then just take the bus and go to Dublin so it's very easy for them to come to Dublin, come to Ireland and then stay under the radar."

Lets see what, if anything the so called leaders have to say about this.....refused entry....travel to ireland...get EU card= open door.

Now tell me we should stay in Europe.

Two years ago there was a 'File on Four' (BBC Radio 4) program about the route into the UK via Ireland.  Because of cut backs in immigration Officers certain ports like Stranraer were in effect almost open borders. 

[akarjl]

Over ten years ago I was Captain of a ferry running from France to ireland.....there was basically no checks made of foot passengers......it was commonly believed it was the primary route for illegals, weapons and child smugglers into UK, talking to colleagues who are still working on the route there have been little changes made.

[steveL]

http://news.sky.com/story/fears-ireland-was-uk-gateway-for-london-bridge-attacker-10906691

A senior Islamic cleric has told Sky News he suspects one of the London Bridge attackers entered the UK by crossing the Irish land border.

Rachid Redouane's arrival via Dublin has fuelled concerns that jihadists could use Ireland as a gateway for further acts of terrorism.

The 30-year-old Moroccan had been refused asylum in the UK so moved to the Irish Republic, married a British woman there and applied for an EU card.

Dr Umar Al Qadri, Imam at the Islamic Centre of Ireland, said: "Anyone from Britain can very easily travel to Ireland under the radar by travelling to Belfast and at Belfast airports as well as the port, there is no passport controls.

"These individuals can then just take the bus and go to Dublin so it's very easy for them to come to Dublin, come to Ireland and then stay under the radar."

Lets see what, if anything the so called leaders have to say about this.....refused entry....travel to ireland...get EU card= open door.

Now tell me we should stay in Europe.

http://news.sky.com/story/kurdish-security-boss-uk-terror-laws-too-soft-10906702

Lahur Talabany tells Sky News that the UK must arrest anyone posing a terror threat - not wait until they carry out an attack.

Ironic we need a Kurd to point out the obvious ( well for those who are ignoring the elephant...)

= Internment of those deemed a high level security risk.
= Closure of mosques they attend- as Imans did not report them as risks
= actually apply

the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 makes hateful behaviour towards a victim based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) in a racial group or a religious group an aggravation in sentencing for specified crimes.

so anyone on the street running around demanding Sharia Law or for the killing of christians locked up and interned.

Gloves off.

Unfortunately neither Labour or Conservatives have the balls to take a hard line.

I'd call that 1:0 to the terrorists if we go down that route.

[steveL]

Perhaps something for him to reminisce about as he rides into the sunset on June 9th.

Corbyn's critics have made it a win-win situation for him. He was written off and claims made that Labour would waste away to nothing and  become an irrelevance. Despite an almost constant stream of hysterical  lies about Corbyn the people have warmed to him. He is now in a position where May is not even sure if she will win a majority.
All Corbyn has to do is avoid total annihilation and his critics will be dumbfounded. Looks like he is going to do a lot better than survive.  There are going to be some very red faces (pun intended) after the count and Corbyn will be secure in his position. The Blairites have been routed and  hopefully they will slink off to spend  more time with their money.

Corbyn doesn't want to be Prime Minister; he wants to be Santa Clause and his goal is not to be in Number 10 but to gain more votes that Milliband. He will use that 'victory' to move Labour permanently to the left and therefore permanently unelectable. He sees the Tories as his political opponents but he sees the Blairites as his enemies and the betrayers of his socialist principles which to him, is far more important than gaining power.

[akarjl]

I'd call that 1:0 to the terrorists if we go down that route.

Steve I understand your comment but,

We are at war- I would call it 1-0 for common sense. If they are not on the street they can't kill people. If they are on the street some will practice what they preach and will kill people.

The time for talking and wishy washy" lets work on integrating/deradicalising" is over, a small percentage are hell bent on killing people.

If I stood outside a mosque and suggested we kill all none christians take a wild guess what would happen to me- assuming I survived the mob?

Again it is a hypothetical discussion as neither party who have chance of forming a government have the balls to take firm action.

Consequently their will be more attacks and more killed.....and more "liberal discussions" about "human rights and religious tolerance"

Before the usual comments start, or yet again we are supplied with a "relevant" youtube link, this is not about colour or race, it is about a group of people believing that have the right to kill us because we will not accept their particular warped beliefs.

So which would your rather have? Religious zealots living in the 9th century who are known threats, free to do what they want? We take no action until they actually turn their fantasies into reality?

or

The public protected from them and known extreme threats taken off the streets and detained/deported?

[grim reaper]

Corbyn...the man that observed a minute silence at the funeral of IRA killers and yet won't sing our National anthem.            That, to me, speaks volumes. 
Likewise the brown piece of lard that has sponged off our 'system' all her life and yet stated every IRA victory is a defeat for the British Government. 
She's 'earned' over £110,000 in the last few years appearing on (mainly BBC) television programmes, spouting her rubbish. 

Why do we pay her (and the other politicians) for appearing on TV to talk politics? She/they are already amply remunerated by the electorate by being MPs.
Surely being on TV is simply a part of the job?
Of course, no money and they wouldn't leave the bars around Westminster to appear! 

I get the point made by steve L. However, we have seen very little of the Tory candidate.
A big deal was made of Broughton having a B & B as his Hartlepool address and yet the Tory lives down south.
Is he REALLY concerned about this town, or is he just another face, parachuted in,
a la Socialist millionaire Mandelson?
I want real change in this town of ours but I am still torn on which way to vote.
UKIP or Tory? What a predicament. 

[mk1]

I was going to make a comment about the Daily Mail having a dozen or so  crazy 'Corbyn is going to kill all first born Children' and 'Corbyn set to Tax Fresh Air' stories today but I fear I would be wasting my time. Those labouring under the same delusions would just see it as confirmation of their paranoi!

[mk1]

Gloves off.

Yes lets stop being nice and  get tough. I propose we invade the Middle East and lay waste to their countries. That will teach them and they will never dare attack us again once we have soldiers in their home country.
I can't think why we have not tried this before now................