Very Boring Thread

[mk1]

As far as I can see your only reason for doing this is that YOU have decided that James is a mate of mine.

No he said it on his blog 'Eventually we ended up becoming friends on Facebook

[mk1]

The thing is you just need to go on the PHF face book page to see that James is telling the truth.Members are complaining because Riddle is not showing their posts.His excuse is that he has to make more space?,more likely that they are asking question's that are a little bit uncomfortable.

And if your really interested you can visit his rambling 36 page blog.

http://jamescampbell78.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/putting-hartlepool-first-2/

36 pages of complaining!

[Inspector Knacker]

Pre election it's a case of shelling the contenders.... whilst mildly denouncong the sitting tensnts..... then the direction changes slowly but surely, like a fully laden supertsnker to suggesting the contrnders are 'mad, bad and dangerous to know'....and the  sitting tenants are not really that bad after all.
There is no debate... just irrelevsnt distracting chaos.... the bearpit comsumes all till the votes are counted.

[HarryBlackwood]

Michael Kenny. MK1. Why the personal attacks on James Campbell?

[Pwilson]

No worse than the liars, cheats, drunkards, cowards and dead weight that currently sit and decide our fate.

You sure about that?

Genuine question BTW.

To be honest I just want change at this point in time. Preferably the kind of change that removes the inordinate amount of Power seemingly wielded by CAB & Carl Richardson.

Nobody is ever going to be perfect & as much as I want change I have a similar opinion of politics to you, therefore would never try to be elected as I value other things in life. However I do want my politicians to be like me and to listen to me. So from that latter point of view Riddle & Bilton are preferable to elderly people or some of the current Labour lot.

Whether they (PHF) want to listen or not I don't know but if they field a decent candidate in my ward I may vote, bit I'll also look to anyone who isn't labour sponsored too, and will hope its not some mystery life long labour sympathiser.

Whatever happens, as a voter I'm going to be left feeling short changed. I live in a ward used as political collateral damage when CAB needed to keep a seat in Manor last year, a seat with a Labour heavyweight known for never speaking.

[HarryBlackwood]

PWilson. I 'get' all of that. I sincerely hope you get a decent, honest candidate worth voting fir.

[Pwilson]

One of life great truths is that the desire to be a politician often lives inside those who shouldn't be given such responsibility.

[mk1]

Michael Kenny. MK1. Why the personal attacks on James Campbell?

I made no mention of anything remotely personal  but when someone turns up  and with his first post starts battering Riddle and supports it with a linked 36 page  complaints then I think a little scepticism is warranted.

You will have to get over this delusion that anyone who has an opinion contrary to yours is wrong, mad or bad. You obviously have given up hope of change and  for some unknown reason seek to destroy those who still are trying. I and a few other think that yes it is better to be mauled by a labrador rather than a lion. Labour have the Old Peoples postal votes stitched up and so getting them out need a bit of ingenuity. If some dick-flashing plonky can mobilise his facebook following to evict Mad Dog then yes I think it is worth a go. I mean I dont even think his running will dint any of the other parties because I assume his voters are the ones who never vote.
For some unfathomable reason Riddle  has become your target and I can not for the life of me understand why you seem  measure your worth by the amount of fights you can start.

[DRiddle]

looking like a group that has one single aim (getting into office) and no clear plan for the town beyond that point.

Am i missing something here? It is NOT the job of elected ward councillors to come up with some sort of 'plan for Hartlepool'. That is why we have a CEO on £140,000 per year and a multitude of other people paid significant salaries to formulate and execute a stratedgy for the progression of our town.

Those of you who are calling for PHF to reveal some sort of 'grand plan' are completely missing the point.

That is NOT what ward councillors are there to do. That is the job of the CEO, officers and their associated staff.

It's seems that many people have been taken in by the whole 'Hartlepool Vision' nonsence and are now expecting the same sort of thing from a group of independent councillors.

Is John Lauderdale being hounded for HIS grand plan for the town? Is Paul Thompson being hounded for HIS grand plan for the town? Is Pamela Hargreaves being hounded for HER grand plan for the town?

The people attacking PHF are totally missing the point. A central aim of what we're about IS 'taking control of the council' yes, BUT in taking control we would ensure that the power is put BACK into the hands of council officers, not in the hands of a small group of councillors whom an independent peer review team strongly suspected were 'persuing their own interests'.

A central reason in why we are trying to do what we are doing is so that control of the council essentially lies with its officers, NOT people with no business accumen, no track record for dealing with multi millions of pounds, and lets be honest, in some cases at least, no bloody clue what they are doing.

I trust that makes things a bit clearer.

[monty767]

"No worse"!!! Is this guy having a laugh? I've seen his fb page (before he cleaned it up) it was full of filth. How many councillors have been banned from footy grounds or walk around town with there knobs hanging out? Gravy and Ridders have been mates from school they all p**s in the same pot.

[HarryBlackwood]

Michael Kenny. Had it occurred to you that James Campbell's opinion of Riddler, PHF and Bilton, might actually have nothing to do with this connection to me?

Why do you have such a problem with someone (using his own name) expressing an opinion?

Seems a bit hypocritical. You seem free with personal attacks on people and strong opinions yet you don't even have the decency to use your own name.

Just to reiterate I have never met or spoken to James.

[DRiddle]

To clarify, said person is not a member of PHF, is not standing for PHF and his link with us is virtually none existent.

As i have openly stated, yes i did go to school with 'Gravy', I also went to school with around 1,500 other people. Some of whom are now business leaders, some heroin addicts, some CEO's, some shop lifters, some professional footballers, and some, tragically, are dead.

What exactly is the point?

[mk1]

"No worse"!!! Is this guy having a laugh? I've seen his fb page (before he cleaned it up) it was full of filth. How many councillors have been banned from footy grounds or walk around town with there knobs hanging out? Gravy and Ridders have been mates from school they all p**s in the same pot.

Drummond, who was elected with the help of one H Blackwood was very lucky to escape prosecution for a very serious offence whilst he was mascot.
One Labout stalwart is a serial bankrupt who specialises in obtaining public funding and then going belly up and bilking his suppliers. Several Labour Councillors make large amounts of money from contracts awarded to them by fellow councillors.  Look at the c. 1 million Wilcox got before she was  allowed to leave with the loot. A certain Tory councillor makes very good use of his 'contacts' in planning to help out mates. Do not tell me we  can not do better.

[HarryBlackwood]

For clarification cos Riddler is hiding the truth again. He shared a house at university with Bilton. They are long term friends. They have had political discussions. ALL FACTS.

[Pwilson]

I'm leaving personality aside. I don't care what someone has done outside of politics what makes us human is the ability to make mistakes.

I can judge Labour on the way the party whips control things, everyone else has a clean slate including most sitting independents. I can't say I'll vote PHF I don't have a candidate to choose from but I won't vote for the ones who are sitting now when their time comes.

One or two councillors who listen to & critically challenge officers would be good. The traveller sites debacle opened my eyes, if PHF open more is that a bad thing?