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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: marky on March 31, 2012, 05: PM

Title: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: marky on March 31, 2012, 05: PM
Looks like the Mail are keeping well out of it. I suggest anyone wanting to know what's going on in Hartlepool buys the Northern Echo unless all you want to know about is the latest family tragedy or you want the next 'free cup of tea' token. Jeez.  >:(
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: steveL on March 31, 2012, 05: PM
The Mail have refused point blank to publish anything about the attacks on the site. What we need in Hartlepool is a Newspaper - not an extension of the Labour Party.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on March 31, 2012, 05: PM
Never a truer word said!
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on March 31, 2012, 06: PM
In the memory lane section of the Fail tonight, I admit it, I buy it, old habit! Is that a photo of the Leader of the Stalinist outside the Kirkham Pub?
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Lord Elpus on March 31, 2012, 06: PM
Carl Richardson, got married today to Sarah (Chris Simmons daughter). 
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: fred c on March 31, 2012, 06: PM
I wonder what the exact circulation of the Mail is ?... if they continue in the same vein it can only drop further.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on March 31, 2012, 06: PM
Years ago, I used to go to the Park Hotel on a Friday night and have a couple of beers with my friends.

This character Richardson used to sometimes be in their with two others with little Soviet Union Flags on their lapels, before the buffoon George W Bush made Nationalism fashionable.

They used to sit only a couple feet from us and 'plotted', we could hear them. At the time I though 'Militant Tendency nutter', and I am not a right winger!

Now he is in charge of the largest group in the Council with corruption all around him.

Back in  the 80s he talked about the oppressed, removing the corrupt by force, quangos, untouchable politicians etc... Must have got sick and though if you can't beat em........!

Wonder if Angie was at the do with a brown envelope 'tribute', so he can 'wet his beak'!
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: The Great Dictator on April 01, 2012, 03: AM
...and the bad news is it will cost 50p from monday.. :-[
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: fred c on April 01, 2012, 07: AM
Quote from: testicles on April 01, 2012, 03: AM
...and the bad news is it will cost 50p from monday.. :-[

Thats another nail in its coffin.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on April 01, 2012, 08: AM
14,000 as of June 2011
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Lord Elpus on April 01, 2012, 09: AM
Quote from: Shepherd on April 01, 2012, 08: AM
14,000 as of June 2011

That must be well below a viable readership, I wonder how long before it becomes a once a week paper.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on April 01, 2012, 09: AM
On those kind of numbers £80,000 turnover per month?

Tax, salaries, consumables, transport, rent and power must see that off.

However, it also goes out in Peterlee under the title Peterlee Mail!

There cannot be much profit it in it even so.

Maybe 'some people' would be prepared to foot the bill, in the event of a shortfall, for the right kind of headlines?
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: The Great Dictator on April 01, 2012, 11: AM
The main income is from adverts and public notices which are paid for by us, i would guess at about £5000 a night for these combined.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: rabbit on April 01, 2012, 11: AM
The Hartlepool Mail is one of some 263 newspapers based around the country. They make up the Johnston Press PLC.

The Johnston Press website states that

"Johnston Press serves the local media needs of numerous communities in the UK and Ireland. We aim to be, and in the vast majority of cases are, the principal source of local news, information, entertainment and comment in those communities.

We currently provide our services through 18 daily newspapers, 245 weekly newspapers and a huge range of related specialist, locally focussed, print publications. We operate 273 local websites to extend the content and reach of our print products. Together these reach a combined audience of about 17.4 million readers each month, often providing unique local content."

I will not comment on the cuurent financial status of the company but it is noted that their 2011/12 results come out on Tuesday.

As our local newspaper forms just one part of the main company, the editor comes under a chain of management, and would have to be careful not to "rock the boat". And despite negative reviews of the newspaper posted here or elsewhere, we should realise that sometimes it is perhaps a matter of preserving jobs and covering your ar**.

Especially in the current financial climate. (I have no connection with this, or any other newspaper.)
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Stevef on April 01, 2012, 12: PM
That's an interesting post and I have no doubt it makes some valid points.

But being careful not to rock the boat means being selective about what to (or not to) print, regardless of public interest or merit. I can't help but wonder at what point does this selectivity, become seen as propaganda and therefore counterproductive. The number of recent major public interest stories the Mail has refused to go anywhere near, would suggest they may already be well past that point.

If the public lose confidence in the Mails ability to be accurate in their reporting or in some cases their willingness to print the news at all. Then their stated aims to serve that community become meaningless and what should be a vital resource will quickly disappear.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: The Great Dictator on April 01, 2012, 12: PM
Last time i checked Johnston press were £478m in debt.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on April 01, 2012, 03: PM
That's a lot of debt to carry in a shrinking business?

Anyone know what the circulation of the Mail was at its peak. I think I remember seeing a circulation of 18,000 per day about 10 years ago???
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: The Great Dictator on April 01, 2012, 04: PM
I think it was less than that..
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: rabbit on April 01, 2012, 04: PM
The Johnston Press results date has been changed to 25 April.

As mentioned above, a change to a weekly paper version cannot be ruled out as there is talk of concentrating more upon on-line versions.

see http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-keep-calm-carry-on-and-dont-charge-for-news-johnstons-highfield-says/

quote "“We’re going to flip the model from newspaper-first every day to digital-first, and you take the best and produce a bumper weekly in print. By 2020, that will be the model. We’ve run the numbers and think that can be a profitable model.”
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Lord Elpus on April 01, 2012, 10: PM
Quote from: Shepherd on April 01, 2012, 03: PM
That's a lot of debt to carry in a shrinking business?

Anyone know what the circulation of the Mail was at its peak. I think I remember seeing a circulation of 18,000 per day about 10 years ago???

I certain when Harry Blackwood was the Editor circulation was around 22,000
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on April 02, 2012, 09: AM
Mr Carpetbagger did for Harry B, about 8 years ago???

22k to 14k, 1000 a year.

That's some tail off in readership, if the facts are correct?
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on April 02, 2012, 10: AM
21st March 2007 was the day Harry was sacked:-

The below is a quote hold the Front Page 25th June 2007.


The political row blew up when the Mail was accused of giving preferential treatment to a man in a monkey costume during the elections for a Hartlepool mayor – the monkey eventually defeating the Labour candidate.

The vote saw Hartlepool United mascot Stuart Drummond swept to power ahead of hot Labour favourite Leo Gillen – and as soon as a monkey had been declared the first elected mayor, the Hartlepool Mail was blamed for the main political parties' electoral demise.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 02, 2012, 11: AM
I've also noticed that the Mail doesn't seem to want uncensored comments on 99% of the online articles (sports excepted), only allowing opinions via themselves. This seems to be a local policy, as the Sunderland Echo belongs to the same publishing group and does not appear to be as restricted.
Title: Re: Hartlepool Mail
Post by: Shepherd on April 02, 2012, 11: AM
Given whats going on in the town and the posts on here, that's probably solid thinking on their part ;)