Mike Hill seems rather desperate on his facebook. He seems to have a very public pop at the two Hart Ward HIG councillors because they've gone to Brussels. It's doing the rounds on some facebook pages and the Labour fans are all over it pointing out the apparent link between HIG and UKIP.
I'd be more worried about an actual Member of Parliament who represents one of the most socially deprived boroughs in the whole of Northern Europe have a pop at local councillors when he should be (a ) sorting out the shambles that is his own Labour councillors and (b ) actually trying to do something meaningful to HELP the residents of one of the most socially deprived boroughs in Northern Europe.
Crazy times.
Mike will be under a bit of pressure when Labour move to endorse a second referendum. Which they will . . .
So by Mike's logic, if he were to give me a tour around the Houses of Parliament, as I intend to ask him to do in the near future, that will mean I'm cosying up to the Labour Party and aligning myself to their policies?
You've more important things to deal with Mike.
Ben Houchen is announcing a £40m deal to buy Teessside Airport.
All joined up to support the billions of pounds investment in the SOUTH Tees development area.
Yet again he delivers, yet again our MP makes noise about nothing.
What a failure we have representing us.
I told a truth and now I am banned from commenting ...oh how he charms the constituents.
Ah, but is Doc Pothole waiting in the wings to snatch the nomination from right under Hill's nose?
Another Hartlepool MP who is totally devoid of any substance whatsoever, party sound bites and bull***t are his staple representation for the people of Hartlepool, I find it offensive that he feels he can have pop at 2 independent councillors whilst offering no criticism of the SCABAL at least not publicly.
I posted a comment on his page on this issue, not sure if I have had the 'block' or the post deleted, but tbh.... it's really irrelevant what his opinions are he's just another labour phart catcher.
Rumour is that Yaxley Lennon is the next candidate for the HIG group.
Quote from: pensionater on December 04, 2018, 03: PM
Rumour is that Yaxley Lennon is the next candidate for the HIG group.
We'll assume that to be a rather shabby attempt at satire.
Quote from: pensionater on December 04, 2018, 03: PM
Rumour is that Yaxley Lennon is the next candidate for the HIG group.
That was the tactic used in the recent Hart election.
How did that turn out for the bright new things?
Did they not announce are going to take back control Labour?
They will, they really really will, soon, one day, maybe....
How can we believe them when they have been blocked by the SCABs who have the collective IQ of a cabbage?
Quote from: pensionater on December 04, 2018, 03: PM
Rumour is that Yaxley Lennon is the next candidate for the HIG group.
He would fit in very nicely with a couple of the HCLP Pixies....they have a similar approach to the deomocratic process... bullying, threats, lies, vilification :o
Being 'attacked' by Mike Hill is like being shot with popcorn. There's nothing more to say really.
In terms of my original point though, what was he thinking? Or does he have help on social media from someone who thought this was a good idea?
I've only met the two HIG Hart Ward councillors very briefly, but i do know both of them campaigned very hard and were duly elected fair and square. Labour have lost 3 of the last 5 elections in the Hart ward and Paul Beck was only saved by his re-election coinciding with a general election, otherwise it would most likely have been 4 out of 5.
The overt UKIP vote isn't particularly strong in Hart, but the independent vote has been strong and gathering momentum for some years now.
I honestly don't see anything to be gained by this 'tying together' of the UKIP/HIG group. Most people already know there's some synergy there.
Also, suppose there's a snap general election on the back of a second referendum.
The Labour Party will almost certainly very soon formally back a second referendum on Brexit (in my view).
That will leave our local Labour MP in a position where he may well have to support a second referendum in a constituency with one out the strongest brexit votes in the United Kindgom.
Step forward a 'leave' candidate in the form of Jonathan Arnott or someone big enough to draw the brexit vote and this could well prove to be a big own goal from Hill.
Here's a curve ball, Farage . . . imagine Farage having one last crack at a seat in Westminster and using Hartlepool as the vehicle to do so.
Stranger things have happened.
Whatever the future holds, Labour will continue to struggle in Hart unless they're boosted by a general election.
Mike Hill isn't helping their chances with posts like the one i referred to.
Yes, it would be ironic if Hill lost Hartlepool's Labour stronghold before the SCABal get booted out.
That is the problem with jobs for the boys, you get boys.
Mike spoke in Westminster a little earlier tonight in the first run of the epic Brexit debate. I flicked onto the parliament channel and spotted it.
Jeremy Corbyn 'gave way' to him and he made what looked like a pre-arranged point about state aid. JC then used it as an opportunity to refer to the EU rules on state aid and the issue of the steel works at Redcar.
I've no axe to grind with Mike Hill personally, i'm told he's a decent sort of bloke.
But for God's sake, don't use your position as an elected representative to have a largely meaningless dig at a couple of local Councillors who might actually support UKIP but are perhaps masquerading as independents.
If you insist on doing that, have a dig at at least five of your own parties Councillors who are blatantly in it for themselves, while masquerading as socialists.
Quote from: DRiddle on December 04, 2018, 07: PM
Here's a curve ball, Farage . . . imagine Farage having one last crack at a seat in Westminster and using Hartlepool as the vehicle to do so.
He can stand as an Independent. Farage has quit UKIP over its links to wife-beating thug Tommy Robinson.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46448299
David, don't you think the time to step back up is nigh?
I really can't take the bloke seriously. I've heard the praise 'sank without a trace' but appears to have 'rose without a trace'. If he's the Labour candidate at the next election I'll be astounded.
His sole purpose as MP is to say nothing to frighten the electorate, take any and every photo opportunity to say nice things about nice things as the polar opposite of controversy. I believes he's here to keep the seat warm and present a benign, safe image of the Party.
He'll keep banging out the same mantra till they take his batteries out and decommission him. To me, he'll always be 'the MP who never was'.
QuoteDavid, don't you think the time to step back up is nigh?
Me? as in stand again for council?
Quote from: DRiddle on December 05, 2018, 10: AM
QuoteDavid, don't you think the time to step back up is nigh?
Me? as in stand again for council?
Absolutely
No, no plans at present to do so. I actually think this May would be the WORST time to get involved. I'd expect the allocation of seats to be broadly similar after May, but hopefully with one or two more of the Labour majority chipped away at.
The far more interesting time for people to get involved would be 2020 in the all outs. If local Labour continue on in their current guise (with CAB as leader) that's when their majority could be cut to wafer thin numbers or perhaps even overturned.
I only hope that there isn't a snap election, for whatever reason, that coincides with the all out. If there WAS, that would probably save labour for another ten years + in Hartlepool.
But if there ISN'T . . . the way the future elections are then split proportionately could come back to bite Labour and allow an opposition to properly bed in.
The simple way to influence the election of a councillor is to offer some support, Independent candidates often have very little support either financially or logistically, all to often users of this forum offer sound opinions on issues but it's left at that.
Come May 2019 & 2020 if we want to influence the make up of our council we should be prepared to front up, a donation of £50 / £100 pounds into an Independents Fund would go a long way to helping those candidates.
Leaflets and postage need to be paid for, but equally important is the foot soldiers on the ground, it would be massively helpful if in the weeks running up to election day candidates could depend on people to offer 3 or 4 hours a week to leaflet drop and canvas for candidates.
If people are serious about getting a non party council, they need to do more than just come up with opinions, we need to get involved in the election process.
Can I point out it's not quite as simple as that. Sometimes your employment or other circumstances makes participation in politics something that would not be acceptable.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 06, 2018, 04: PM
Can I point out it's not quite as simple as that. Sometimes your employment or other circumstances makes participation in politics something that would not be acceptable.
That's very true. Under some circumstances to be seen to participate in political activities could be a form of career suicide. In addition, the venom shown by certain 'strains' against what they perceive as opposition would make some people nervous of being identified and vilified.
I can understand it if your employment precludes you from taking part in a leafletting campaign, but making an anonymous contribution towards the leaflets would be just that "anonymous" ......a bit like voting, you vote anonymously.
Quote from: fred c on December 06, 2018, 06: PM
I can understand it if your employment precludes you from taking part in a leafletting campaign, but making an anonymous contribution towards the leaflets would be just that "anonymous" ......a bit like voting, you vote anonymously.
That's true.
I've always wondered about the "anonymous" vote, the ballot papers they use have a number linked to your name and they tick it off as you register, may just be paranoia on my part though
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on December 06, 2018, 10: PM
I've always wondered about the "anonymous" vote, the ballot papers they use have a number linked to your name and they tick it off as you register,( may just be paranoia on my part though)
may just be paranoia on my part though you have every right to be paranoid when my daughter went to vote at jutland road i noticed maj james sitting inside of the polling station with a tablet and a small black book tucked under it as my daughter went into the large room to cast her vote the guy said her number loud enough for myself and maj james to hear she then wrote it down i asked my daughter to go back in to take a pic of her as i knew maj james should not have been there i then circulated it to everyone resulting in hbc going into meltdown (damage limitation as they do )
Yeah i remember that. Bit of a fudge of an excuse by the borough solicitor of the time saying she wasn't actually doing what everyone could clearly see she WAS doing.
Still, the photo on social media helped scatter her. Good work.
I'm surprised she didn't say she was train spotting. Mind you, she could have been train crash spotting and her local party leadership is one hell of a train crash.
Don't forget that a current HBC employee cannot stand as a Councillor.
Isn't this a denial of a persons Human Rights?
QuoteThe Labour Party will almost certainly very soon formally back a second referendum on Brexit (in my view).
That will leave our local Labour MP in a position where he may well have to support a second referendum in a constituency with one out the strongest brexit votes in the United Kindgom.
So here we are Mike, one of your first big test of 'party or constituents'. Labour are moving towards opening the door for a second referendum. It was always going to end up that way. So which way do the Labour MPs in big leave strong holds vote?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/21/labour-calls-for-vote-in-commons-on-holding-second-referendum
Would any one care to give odds on which way he will vote ?
He will do as he's told, Party first, second and third.
What will be most interesting is how he words his decision, or will he just remain silent?
It MIGHT well be that Labour MPs get a free vote on any amendments connected with pushing for a second referendum. I think about 60% of Labour held constituencies voted leave and Hartlepool had a 'leave percentage' of nearly 70%, with just over 32,000 voting to leave the EU.
Iain Wright, MP at the time of the EU referendum, voted remain.
It'll be interesting to see what Mike Hill comes out and says publicly in terms of his view, as we nearer the business end of all of this.
My prediction would be "respecting the referendum result, but having concerns about the impact of jobs and blah blah blah" kind of non-committal until he knows what he's allowed to do.
Obviously the puppet strings to which he is tied will be top priority.
Nice little earner for a pawn
I'm still chuckling at the title mentioning him having a pop at anyone. It would be like being stoned to death with cotton wool balls.
QuoteHere's a curve ball, Farage . . . imagine Farage having one last crack at a seat in Westminster and using Hartlepool as the vehicle to do so.
Stranger things have happened.
Whatever the future holds, Labour will continue to struggle in Hart unless they're boosted by a general election.
Mike Hill isn't helping their chances with posts like the one i referred to.
I think I might put the lottery on . . . https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/former-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-to-lead-nationwide-brexit-march-through-sunderland-and-hartlepool-1-9622788?fbclid=IwAR15216YWQY7cxS1xZSynLFxBT18vek31Wrp24ZUINJd3bmc3Ljg9HdWbzE
He'd get voted in if he ran in pools, that's how bad Labour have become and how much of a hash the government has made of brexit
That would definitely put the moggy among the pigeons.
So we're about 6 months on from when I posted this
QuoteMike will be under a bit of pressure when Labour move to endorse a second referendum. Which they will . . .
It's getting nearer every day.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/jeremy-corbyn-signals-more-support-for-second-referendum-after-voter-exodus
We're also nearing a situation where Farage will be taking his pick from which Labour heartland to use as his vehicle for his seat in parliament.
Hartlepool will be very high up on his list of possibilities.
Crazy times.
Quote from: DRiddle on May 28, 2019, 02: PM
We're also nearing a situation where Farage will be taking his pick from which Labour heartland to use as his vehicle for his seat in parliament.
Hartlepool will be very high up on his list of possibilities.
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Tempting as it is I think being rejected by ''Artlepool' is a millstone for life. The only time we ever got mentioned on the Likely Lads was when something dreadful was being discussed. There is no coming back from being a runner up in Hartlepool.
I know there are high-hopes attached for the launch of a new Party in the town and the subsequent umpteenth renaming and affiliation (before a full merger)of a wandering local band of political chancers. What would happen if The SCABs decide to join the new Party?
If you're looking for a weak link in the ranks of Labour MP's, we've got a corker.
If Sooty was putting up for the ' Glove Puppet Alliance', my money would be on the furry one.
I can picture the post election failure picture in the Mail.
Mike Hill sat in the gutter holding up a sign demanding votes for Labour now.
On the other side, Not voting Labour doesn't reflect the true Hartlepool.
I am reliably informed Ringtons sell a chocolate teapot. It would make a lovely leaving present.
I wonder if the SLP will be putting up a candidate for the next election. Will they nominate 'El Magnifico' for the job? Now the Monster Raving Looney Party have a suitable replacement .
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 22, 2019, 12: PM
He will do as he's told, Party first, second and third.
What will be most interesting is how he words his decision, or will he just remain silent?
A bit like Jeremy then ?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 23, 2019, 11: AM
I'm still chuckling at the title mentioning him having a pop at anyone. It would be like being stoned to death with cotton wool balls.
the sackless lump couldn't have a pop at a wet woodbine
Quote from: kevplumb on May 30, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 23, 2019, 11: AM
I'm still chuckling at the title mentioning him having a pop at anyone. It would be like being stoned to death with cotton wool balls.
the sackless lump couldn't have a pop at a wet woodbine
Saw a programme on the telly recently and one of the people featured was comedian Jimmy James and alongside him was his stooge Eli Woods. Never knew Eli went into politics. :o