Anyone know if the 36 Bus profits all go to Teesside or is it shared with Hartlepool? Given that the tortuous route it takes through Hartlepool (compared to the old United 227) has obviously been designed to scoop up as many passengers moving about the town the loss of revenue would be substantial if it is not shared.
Also the resultant decrease of passengers on Hartlepool busses would be a handy excuse for the bean-counters to reduce local services.
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Not forgetting the biggest loser must be the revenue from the No6 service which it runs alongside all the way into town and out again.
The 36 is basically a very long drawn out and impractical way to get to Middlesbrough very slowly.
I suspect they'd be happy to just have the 36 and nothing else.
No. 1 would be a better bet if you want to go to Middlesbrough although, granted it only goes every half hour. No. 36 comes into its own when you want one of the intermediate stops like Greatham, Billingham, Stockton or Thornaby.
Don't know how the revenue from the service is split. Perhaps it's based on how much of the journey is inside each district - in which case most of it goes outside Hrtlpool. But I'm only guessing.
It draws revenue from local services. It would make more sense if it went directly to the town centre.
Quote from: mk1 on June 04, 2018, 05: PM
Anyone know if the 36 Bus profits all go to Teesside or is it shared with Hartlepool? Given that the tortuous route it takes through Hartlepool (compared to the old United 227)
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As far as I remember in the numerous years I have travelled that service (36 and 227 before that) the entire route is virtually identical. The only change in Hartlepool (from old) now is the turn it takes down park road to loop round the town centre for the return journey where before the 227 would have gone to the old bus station.
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Quote from: mk1 on June 04, 2018, 05: PM
Anyone know if the 36 Bus profits all go to Teesside or is it shared with Hartlepool? Given that the tortuous route it takes through Hartlepool (compared to the old United 227)
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As far as I remember in the numerous years I have travelled that service (36 and 227 before that) the entire route is virtually identical. The only change in Hartlepool (from old) now is the turn it takes down park road to loop round the town centre for the return journey where before the 227 would have gone to the old bus station.
In the 1960s the '227' ran along Stockton Street through Stranton/Vicarage Gardens to the Burn Valley Roundabout. Along Stockton Road passing St Cuthberts, Greensides, The Travellers and The lodge then on to Greatham. There was no detour up Oxford Road and down Owton Manor Lane
i do know they are all stockton drivers miserable ones at that and more interested in keeping to their timesheet than been helpful to passengers
The detour up to Catcote road must effect the viability of local routes. Funny how before bus privatisation we had a choice of companies to get to Middlesbrough and now Stagecoach have the monopoly.
I would have thought all the profits from buses operated by Stagecoach will go to Stagecoach. I believe the operator, in the Tees Valley, no longer receives a subsidy from the council(s) and as far as I am aware, no franchise system is in operation.
Since earlier this year Hartlepool depot has become a satellite depot under the control of Stockton depot so ultimately all monies taken end up in the same pot.
I saw a 36 branded bus running the no 7 at Middlegate last week?, thought it was unusual, is this the norm or just a one off ?
Quote from: mickys19 on June 05, 2018, 10: AM
I saw a 36 branded bus running the no 7 at Middlegate last week?, thought it was unusual, is this the norm or just a one off ?
As the depot is devoid of vehicles during the day, I suspect they run to very tight margins and had to borrow one from Stockton .
I wonder why the vehicles at Stockton are larger than the almost identical vehicles in Hartlepool?
Quote from: no6bus on June 05, 2018, 07: AM
Since earlier this year Hartlepool depot has become a satellite depot under the control of Stockton depot so ultimately all monies taken end up in the same pot.
What I was asking was if they do a survey of passenger numbers using Stagecoach Hartlepool do they add in those people who use Teesside Stagecoach busses.
Also if the revenue of Hartlepool people who use the 36 is used when the income of Hartlepool Stagecoach is calculated.
Not counting those two sets of numbers would lower both the revenue and passenger numbers for Hartlepool busses and thus factor in to a 'use it or lose it' decision.
They must be different busses because they use different ticketing offers.
In a nutshell Hartlepool's takings are from the Hartlepool fleet and Stockton's from their fleet, they are then added together for overall takings from teeside
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Quote from: mickys19 on June 05, 2018, 10: AM
I saw a 36 branded bus running the no 7 at Middlegate last week?, thought it was unusual, is this the norm or just a one off ?
As the depot is devoid of vehicles during the day, I suspect they run to very tight margins and had to borrow one from Stockton .
I wonder why the vehicles at Stockton are larger than the almost identical vehicles in Hartlepool?
At the risk of being accused of being an anorak! - the Stockton buses are Enviro 300's which have a longer chassis and hence more seats, whilst the Hartlepool fleet is mainly Enviro 200's with the shorter chassis. It was the same prior to the introduction of the Enviro's - Hartlepool had the shorter Dennis Darts whilst Stockton had MAN chassis buses - again with the higher seating capacities. I guess the reason is the passenger density of the different routes served.
Quote from: no6bus on June 05, 2018, 05: PM
In a nutshell Hartlepool's takings are from the Hartlepool fleet and Stockton's from their fleet, they are then added together for overall takings from teeside
Thus all takings/passenger numbers for the 36 are counted as Stockton revenue. That means none of the passengers swept up by the 36 will be taken into account by a survey of passengers on
Hartlepool busses. That means a survey would undercount and (if it were a company prepared to cut services to the bone in pursuit of profit-which it is x10) provide an excuse to more cuts. It may all end up in the same pot but Hartlepool Stagecoach are having a good number of their target passengers hoovered up by the 36 which shadows the No 6 from the town centre to Owton Manor Lane.
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Quote from: no6bus on June 05, 2018, 05: PM
In a nutshell Hartlepool's takings are from the Hartlepool fleet and Stockton's from their fleet, they are then added together for overall takings from teeside
Thus all takings/passenger numbers for the 36 are counted as Stockton revenue. That means none of the passengers swept up by the 36 will be taken into account by a survey of passengers on Hartlepool busses. That means a survey would undercount and (if it were a company prepared to cut services to the bone in pursuit of profit-which it is x10) provide an excuse to more cuts. It may all end up in the same pot but Hartlepool Stagecoach are having a good number of their target passengers hoovered up by the 36 which shadows the No 6 from the town centre to Owton Manor Lane.
any one know if STOCKTON /MIDDLESBROUGH buses stop at 6pm hartlepool is one of the worst only a handful of buses run after 6pm 36 being one and i think the number 7 what does make me angry is they are regenerating seaton but after 6pm there is no way of getting there from the other side of town thinking more of the none drivers/elderly that i suppose would go to seaton if there were a bus
But when the service 1 did run on a night there was minimal use, I know as I often had no passengers
Was that when we had a hospital ?
Yes
Quote from: mk1 on June 05, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: no6bus on June 05, 2018, 05: PM
In a nutshell Hartlepool's takings are from the Hartlepool fleet and Stockton's from their fleet, they are then added together for overall takings from teeside
Thus all takings/passenger numbers for the 36 are counted as Stockton revenue. That means none of the passengers swept up by the 36 will be taken into account by a survey of passengers on Hartlepool busses. That means a survey would undercount and (if it were a company prepared to cut services to the bone in pursuit of profit-which it is x10) provide an excuse to more cuts. It may all end up in the same pot but Hartlepool Stagecoach are having a good number of their target passengers hoovered up by the 36 which shadows the No 6 from the town centre to Owton Manor Lane.
since the 36 stopped going to the marina their numbers have dropped as people now catch a bus that Hartlepool operates to get them there
Quote from: no6bus on June 07, 2018, 12: PM
But when the service 1 did run on a night there was minimal use, I know as I often had no passengers
When services are in flux, constantly changing and expensive they tend to lose custom. Not helped by a Labour Council who were amongst the first off the mark to cut subsidies. How a Labour Council could cut a service that their voters rely upon shows utter ignorance or playing politics by blaming the tories and their cuts?
Who can doubt today's Private Sector Bus Service is much, much better than the rickety infrequent and unreliable Public Sector effort.
See how bad it was in 1971 when you only has bus services numbered 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13, 15,& 16. Hardly any choice at all compared to today!
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Yeah, it was hell in those days, a No6 bus every ten minutes and no problem getting home after 11 at night. Didn't even need a car then .
Like most 'services' from buses to medicine to politics, you get the distinct impression nowadays they're run for the convenience of the provider. and they always tell you it's much better than it was. Yeah, whatever!
Just a thought, why don't they do what some other operators do and rebrand as the X36! Gives the impression it's an efxpress service, but still goes round the houses on the same dismal timetable.
Perception is everything, but you'll still need a shave when you get off if you do the full journey.