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Title: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 08: AM
Looks like he's taken the hint. He's finally resigned over 'the lack of information surrounding the Tribunals' but more likely after he realised he was in the firing line.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: testing times on July 05, 2013, 08: AM
The timing is interesting. Must have been soon after the 'Equally Culpable' story on the front page appeared. Any chance you could write another one, 'Seaton Man Wins Lottery." You never know. ;D
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: View from on July 05, 2013, 09: AM
Very interesting development.  Give it a week, it'll be in the Mail.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 09: AM
oooo....you're so unfair

(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/cab%20resigns.PNG)

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Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: marky on July 05, 2013, 09: AM
There's nothing like a sinking ship to bring the rats to the surface.
Being taken to a tribunal (never mind 5) is a serious thing. You would assume that it was serious enough to have been discussed by the Trustees and therefore the Trustees must have sanctioned the ridiculous appeal against Lynda Gooding. If there was no discussion, then there bloody well should have been.

Either way, they ALL need to go, not just SAB and will someone please explain why Wilcox is still there?
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Inspector Knacker on July 05, 2013, 09: AM
A bit like the captain of the Titanic putting his notice in after hitting the  iceberg.....?
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Stevef on July 05, 2013, 09: AM
and just like an iceberg, two-thirds of it is still under the surface
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Inspector Knacker on July 05, 2013, 10: AM
If you were the Captain of thd Titanic , the point at which to resign would surely be before hitting thd iceberg .....but ideally, avoid voyages in such dangerous waters in the first place.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Lord Elpus on July 05, 2013, 10: AM
One would have thought more of SAB if he had pushed for the sacking of WIicox as his final act.

I was talking to a MRA board member this morning and they had no idea of the situation they find themselves in.  I suspect most board members have been chosen for their lack of experience.

Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Stevef on July 05, 2013, 10: AM
I wonder how long it will take before councillor Beck jumps over board. If he had any sense he would have gone a long time ago.

The point the SCAB are missing is that jumping ship now be it, WCNE or MRA, does not relive them of responsibility for what happened on their watch. As a director and trustee they had to of had knowledge of the actions of these organisations and a legal responsibility to take action to correct any wrong doing. As the Chairman and the leader of the council they were both in an ideal position to do so.

Not only did they choose not too, they publicly defended the actions of these two rouge organisations, even to the point of publicly telling lies in the council chamber. Then when things get so bad and these organisation begin to flounder, they resign and pretend it has nothing to do with them.

How did a political party, formed to represent the working and disadvantaged people of this country, ever allow such a devious lying pair of cowards get into the position of claiming to represent the people of Hartlepool.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 10: AM
'rouge organisations' - I like that - rouge as in 'red' or as in those ladies who like to use blusher. Personally, I would have used the word 'rogue' but each to their own. ;)
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: for fawkes sake on July 05, 2013, 10: AM
Isn't this the ultimate ducking of responsibility? Yes he needed to resign but not before doing what he could to ensure the future of MR by getting the rest of the Trustees together and sacking Wilcox.

Was he not in The Mail the other night telling us he was 'there for the long haul?' In resigning before carrying out his last and probably most important responsibility, he has left MR in the hands of that bloody awful woman proving that he is far more bothered about himself and his own future than he is about anyone in Owton Manor.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: fred c on July 05, 2013, 11: AM
I have witnessed at first hand how this excuse for a councillor behaves under pressure, he is hoping that by resigning now he will escape the fallout when MRA goes T*ts Up, it was only the other day that this odious specimen vowed that he was in it for the "Long Haul" so much for that statement of intent.

He cannot escape his responsibilities now, he should have been at the forefront of the investigation into the running of MRA & the actions of its manager A Wilcox, to attempt to absolve himself of any responsibility now will be seen for what it is, an act of Moral Cowardice.

I wonder did he discuss his abandonment of MRA & the rest of the Trustees with them, or has he just slithered out under the door of the place & left them to it.

We can see by this latest action by someone connected to the failed MRA that HBC has lost its grip on Grant Funded projects, the only way to restore public confidence in their ability to do so in the future would be to call in the police to Investigate MRA.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: bimbo 1 on July 05, 2013, 12: PM
Don't forget about Cranney he is as bent as an arabs dagger Mr Teflon I bet he keeping head down ,he has been in it from the start over 20years
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 12: PM
Apparently, the other Trustees had no idea that SAB had resigned or intended to resign. Teamwork eh?

Any notion that Who Cares(NE) under Wilcox and Cranney should continue to receive public funds is laughable but that doesn't mean they won't try to do it.

Even now, Hall is desperately still claiming that he never awarded any contract to Manor Residents. That's his defence - that Who Cares(NE) was a completely separate company. Even though:

In short, Hall is dead in the water
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 12: PM
Quote from: for fawkes sake on July 05, 2013, 10: AM
Isn't this the ultimate ducking of responsibility? Yes he needed to resign but not before doing what he could to ensure the future of MR by getting the rest of the Trustees together and sacking Wilcox.

Was he not in The Mail the other night telling us he was 'there for the long haul?' In resigning before carrying out his last and probably most important responsibility, he has left MR in the hands of that bloody awful woman proving that he is far more bothered about himself and his own future than he is about anyone in Owton Manor.

This is a bit silly isn't it? On Monday, he was telling us all he was in it for the long haul. By Tuesday, he wants us to believe, he had suddenly discovered that Wilcox wasn't always 'transparent' with information.

Did he have a 'vision in the night'? Or was it that he just decided that it was time to steal a lifeboat and row like hell?

What a coward.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: brassed off monkey on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
Quote from: steveL on July 05, 2013, 12: PM
Apparently, the other Trustees had no idea that SAB had resigned or intended to resign. Teamwork eh?

Any notion that Who Cares(NE) under Wilcox and Cranney should continue to receive public funds is laughable but that doesn't mean they won't try to do it.

Even now, Hall is desperately still claiming that he never awarded any contract to Manor Residents. That's his defence - that Who Cares(NE) was a completely separate company. Even though:

  • It had the same telephone number and address
  • Manor Residents accounts were used to assess if Who Cares(NE) could be relied upon for proper financial management
  • The MR accounts show consistent overlap with Who Cares(NE)
  • The recent audit showed that MR had paid salaries for WC by cheque

In short, Hall is dead in the water

I notice one of the CCJ`s was against WE(N/E), but the address given is that of Manor Residents of Kilmarnock Road Hartlepool.

There appears to be to many bits of paper linking the 2 organisations for Gedwood to claim they are seperate entities.

I wonder if he will resign from somewhere ?????? it seems it`s the done thing with the Gleeful Trio

" Come Watson The Games is afoot "

It would take more than Sherlock Holmes & Watson to sort out this lot.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
He's in MENSA, you know. That's one thing he did manage to put on his registered interests. Not certain, but I think it's The Land of Oz branch.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
Who Cares (NE) has a tiny office within Manor Residents in Kilmarnock Road. According to its accounts, Who Cares paid a fortune to construct this little office (I think £146,000) within Manor Residents even though it amounts to not much more than a partition wall.

Interestingly though, although Who Cares paid for it, Who Cares then pays Manor Residents rent to sit in it.

Now there's a little arrangement that has Cranney written all over it.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: brassed off monkey on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
I did see a reference somewhere about Oxford & education, I just assumed it was Oxford St school.

Silly me.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: not4me on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
So that's the two A-Bs, Wilcox, Hall Cranney and probably James.

No wonder they're circling the wagon train.  :o
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: steveL on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
I think you can add Councillor Stubbs to that little list.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: ARC86 on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
Once you reach the top, there is only one way you can go, and that's downwards but who would have seen this coming just 3 months into the new system?
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Hartlepudlion on July 05, 2013, 02: PM
May I remind you all not to get too carried away by the MR/WC shenanigans as there are other 'charity' organisations that need looking at. Some have just been mentioned so will add my pennyworth.
Cllr James awarded West View the grant over the CAB. Why when WV blatantly can't handle the job and refer their clients to the CAB
HDVA employ at least two Cllrs - Tempest and, of course our 'dear leader' CAB.
Cranney and his mattresses and unpaid debts. The Rockhaven purchase.
Rumours of Cllrs and senior helpers having first choice of the goods donated to the food banks.

And so it goes on. I am sure many more examples can be added.

For the sake of the good charities ALL the charities who receive monies from HBC need to be investigated.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: mk1 on July 05, 2013, 03: PM
This a a gem:

Coun Akers-Belcher wrote: "Although as a board member I have asked for change in relation to more information coming to the board meetings e.g. detailed financial reports and administration support, this has only been achieved following my role as a critical friend to the organisation


See it was him who brought all this to light.........................
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: pensionater on July 05, 2013, 03: PM
I personally think that every job or funding that has been awarded without going out to tender should be looked into. Didn't Stubbs walk straight into the job because the MOB decided he was the best and only man for the job. 
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: Missy K on July 05, 2013, 03: PM
I think no matter what the Charity is, if it has Councillors on a board, committee or employed within, its obvious that suspicion will arise if grants are given from the Council!

Simple answer for worried Councillors: don't get involved.
Title: Re: SAB Resigns from MRA
Post by: mk1 on July 05, 2013, 04: PM
Quote from: steveL on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
Who Cares (NE) has a tiny office within Manor Residents in Kilmarnock Road. According to its accounts, Who Cares paid a fortune to construct this little office (I think £146,000) within Manor Residents even though it amounts to not much more than a partition wall.

Interestingly though, although Who Cares paid for it, Who Cares then pays Manor Residents rent to sit in it.

Now there's a little arrangement that has Cranney written all over it.

That is why they so intertwined the two organisations.You can keep all  sorts of invoices flying between the two with a handsome skim off the top of every one. It also makes the paperwork so impenetrable that  it takes a lot of effort to track where the money really went. I know we have fixated on Angie but it can not be seriously claimed she has the wit to do it by herself. It is obvious there is a puppet master behind the scenes.
If my memory serves me well when Cranney was dragged into court at Newcastle   Angie was  the main witness against him.  I believe she complained to the Police that Cranney was threatening her but by the time it got to court Angie suddenly 'lost her memory' and backtracked on all she said about Cranney. Indeed the Judge was just as critical about her  evasions as he was about Cranney. Maybe history is going to repeat itself?