MR have lost second tribunal....this time for unfair dismissal and paying less than minimum wage. I gather Wilcox didn't bother to turn up. £4,000 compensation ordered.
This is regarding the young chap I suppose.. he was beaten up too!
Quote from: steveL on July 03, 2013, 02: PM
MR have lost second tribunal....this time for unfair dismissal and paying less than minimum wage. I gather Wilcox didn't bother to turn up. £4,000 compensation ordered.
Angie sent them a letter explaining why she could not make it. She clearly remembers writing it yesterday and posting it last week!
on my reckoning there's 3 more to come. I wonder if the court offers bulk discounts?
The only problem with all these tribunals and awards is that they will have to be paid by MR etc thus depriving the needy of assistance. Ultimately, of course, it is the CT payer who really pays.
I seem to remember that trustees are personally responsible and have to bear their own costs, fines etc should there be criminal activity by the organisation they are overseeing. Similarly are not Councillors held personally responsible for their actions and could be brought to book by the courts and could have to reimburse the Council for any misappropriations. Or did the Last Labour Government absolve them of all responsibility? Anybody know?
Thats £13,000 so far, with the probability of a lot more to come, as Trustees S Akers Belcher & P Beck are ultimately responsible for the manager & management policy of MRA, who can we expect to pay this compensation?
They along with the other trustees should be held to account for the debts incurred by the organisation they are supposed to oversee, what Bulls**t excuse will "The Consort"come up with about this second judgement ?
MRA is riddled with incompetence & for HBC to attempt to bail it out to save Red Faces for anyone connected to it is not an option, any councillor who has held a position or has had dealings with this discredited outfit should seriouly consider their positions.
Ther can be "No More Excuses" no attempted cover up, as was the case with the Phoenix Centre, "The Dear Leader" has had his chance of running the council his way, he has failed miserably his personnal connection as a former board member with WC(N/E) who have financial ties to MRA should bring his judgement under close inspection.
The excuse of poor management practices is also unacceptable, a full & proper audit needs to be conducted to account for every penny spent by MRA, it is now time for HBC to call in the police
HBC should not be giving this Organisation 1p more of ratepayers money, the only way to sort it out is to let it go to the wall & start again, but it needs to be done immedialtely, not in 2 months time
Read all about it ... Angie's excuses are getting feebler as this evolves! This poor chappie didn't even get his NI/PAYE delivered to HMRC on time. I've never heard of contributions being held by the employer up until the end of the tax year (only a final reconciliation to tie up any loose ends, as it was always normal to pass over any deductions monthly).
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/second-manor-residents-association-worker-wins-payout-1-5820628
The guy started work in January last year (2012) which means that, even if what Wilcox says was true, she would have handed over his tax/NI in April 2012.
She also say that everyone had a contract - not true - but I'm sure they do now - though how many of them have a genuine signature on them is another matter.
The woman is a habitual liar but so far, that seems to be not a sufficient reason for the Trustees to sack her.
The ex Mayor Stuart Drummond must be laughing his socks off.
Quote from: rabbit on July 04, 2013, 04: PM
The ex Mayor Stuart Drummond must be laughing his socks off.
Thought the same thing yesterday rabbit,where has he retired to by the way?
The Mail story on the second Manor claim generated a lot of comments today. Sadly a very thorough purge has been carried out to remove the most critical comments but there are 2 from a 'cuddles' that could be Wilcox herself. It certainly reads like the leaflet that was used to try and smear G. Lilley.
The second one has been deleted from the Mail site
I notice out of all the articles that have been written about councillor Wilcox not one have included any of the positives she has done for the manor ward how she has supported people when they have needed it helped people out raised money etc., I notice how this piece does not state all the help she gave to Mr Williams in the last year. every one has their own opinion but now everyone is jumping on the band wagon the same as usual in a situation like this. I think that the everyone needs to realise the meaning of local news councillor Wilcox is a person and a individual who also has feelings and the mail should think about that.
I support Angela Wilcox 100% because I am one of the community that realise what has done for people and how she would make sure they got what they needed
just for you information Mr mister councillor Wilcox is not my mother she is no relation to me and councillor Wilcox has helped me out and gave me great advice for the problems I have had in the past and as you so called no it all's that think you some how no every minor detail well your wrong I would love to see your reaction if the shoe was on the other foot, and as for bringing peoples personal lives into the situation what right do you actually have? let me think about that NONE!!!! I think you all should be banned from commenting, you don't only like to hurt one but other people too. I think its about time real news was put on the front of the mail other than the same thing there was a headline today about a innocent girl being raped but the mail seem to think that isn't important what they think is important is ruining peoples lives and not getting the facts right. as for all you know it all's one day when the truth comes out I hope you feel very guilty for what you have said
deep down I don't think anyone can complain about the job MR did, or the vital work that was done to help so many in the past... but what we have to think is the things that are finally becoming public now has ruined all the hard work that was done.......... the hard work that was done to set up MR is now gone... and maybe for good... Politics and community centres should never of been allowed they should of stayed independent the way the MR founder had insisted all her HARD working life.. shame a good centre may now be lost because of greed..
I don't think all is yet lost.
Wilcox and the Trustees all need to go...and soon. Someone then needs to be put in to sort the accounts out and identify precisely what has been going on with those responsible brought to justice.
The longer Wilcox and the present Trustees are allowed to hang on then the more likely it is that the organisation will founder.
thing is who is going to put funding into a centre that now has a reputation for being dishonest... mud sticks... even if and when AW goes there is little funding left.. AW may be gone but there will need to be a lot of hard work to get it back to the level it once had..........
That's why Wilcox and the present Trustees need to go. If the public sees that HBC is serious about sorting things out then they will support it - the need is still there.
Having said that, there's no sign of it. With 5 Labour Councillors closely involved in MR/WC you can see where the problem is. The more s**t that comes out of MR, the more they themselves are tainted with it and they are trying to keep the lid on it to avoid the domino effect - hence their efforts to defend the indefensible with Wilcox.
I think that there is growing acceptance that grant/community funding needs to operate under a completely different regime. They need to be properly managed, properly audited and involve Trustees who understand their responsibilities - not a set of patsies who think that they're there to attend coffee groups and to water the plants.
In Manor, funding has been hijacked for personal and political purposes which is why in future, councillors need to be kept well out of it.
There are plenty of people within MR who will do everything necessary to help it survive.
totally agree SteveL ... too many councillors in the pot.... that place is practically council ran now... isn't this de ja vu hasn't this happened somewhere before oooooo cant think where..
You're probably thinking about the Phoenix Centre but I'm not sure if councillors were the problem there so much as it being run as a family business by people unused to being handed large amounts of money.
Councillor wilcox makes out she is doing her employees a favour by giving them jobs but at the end of the day she is screwing them over. The facts dont lie and people who have felt the wrath of manor residents need to stay strong and keep their heads high.
sorry was satirical post lol......... but was referring more to the fact that the council took over the Phoenix Centre, but I must admit I don't know the whole picture on the Phoenix to comment further...
I don`t like to say this, because there are a lot of hardworking genuine people still involved with MRA, but for the sake of all Voluntary / Charity organisations in Hartlepool, Manor Residents needs to wound up.
All grant funded organisations are now unfortunately, likely to tarred with the MRA brush, which is the saddest part of this whole sorry business, lots of people give of their time & effort in helping others less fortunate than themseves which is the essence of the Voluntary system, but they have all been let down not only by the actions of Wilcox, but by the lack of action by Councillors & Officers of HBC.
There has been long held suspicions of Manor Residents & also of WC(N/E), coincidentally both organisations have extremely close ties with a number of Councillors, either Employed by them, Directors of them or Trustees / Board members of them.
We need to look no further than the disasterous so called management systems used by MRA, they were lacking in every single aspect of financial prudence, this has been apparent for years, so why have the trustees neglected to act ?
In fact, why are they still refusing to act, how many employment tribunals do they need to witness before they dismiss Wilcox from her position as manager of MRA ? why have they not thought it would be a good idea to ask Cleveland Police to investigate the financial affairs of MRA.
County Court Judgements are not conducive to financial propriety, did the likes of S Akers Belcher & P Beck both councillors not hear the alarm bells ringing when bailiffs were called into MRA ?
By doing nothing, Trustees have become complicit in the the mismanagement & illegal happenings within MRA, not complying with the NMW regulations is Illegal & people have been prosecuted for not paying the national minimum wage.
What exactly was the thinking behind the decision by HBC to give MRA a 2 month period of grace to put things right, a ridiculous decision if ever there was one, cynics amongst us would point to the fact that it could allow any improprieties to be covered up, it would never be allowed in the private sector.
"The Dear Leader" for all his Bluff & Bluster is proving to be an overseer of complete ineptitude, his management policy appears to be one of burying his head in the sand & hoping things will go away, well i have news for him........... It isn`t going to, people all over the town have woken up to what is going on within HBC.
The best thing he can do for Hartlepool is to resign & take "The Mob" with him
This sticks in the throat a little bit. The late John Reid who was chairman of the Manor West Centre would be absolutely seething right now. Tha Manor west Centre did things by the book and ultimately had to close down despite doing some brilliant work across the town with the elderly and young people. All the money available for Owton Manor we all now know was mopped up by Manor Residents. And it appears this organisation is as corrupt as they come. It really boils my p**s seeing all this unfold when genuine people who did good for the community where told all of the hard work they had put in over the years was no use anymore.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: ARC86 on July 05, 2013, 01: PM
This sticks in the throat a little bit. The late John Reid who was chairman of the Manor West Centre would be absolutely seething right now. Tha Manor west Centre did things by the book and ultimately had to close down despite doing some brilliant work across the town with the elderly and young people. All the money available for Owton Manor we all now know was mopped up by Manor Residents. And it appears this organisation is as corrupt as they come. It really boils my p**s seeing all this unfold when genuine people who did good for the community where told all of the hard work they had put in over the years was no use anymore.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
And that will be the real legacy of Wilcox, Cranney, SCAB, James, Hall and Stubs.
Self righteous leaches every one of them.
Quote from: mk1 on July 04, 2013, 06: PM
The Mail story on the second Manor claim generated a lot of comments today. Sadly a very thorough purge has been carried out to remove the most critical comments but there are 2 from a 'cuddles' that could be Wilcox herself. It certainly reads like the leaflet that was used to try and smear G. Lilley.
The second one has been deleted from the Mail site
I notice out of all the articles that have been written about councillor Wilcox not one have included any of the positives she has done for the manor ward how she has supported people when they have needed it helped people out raised money etc., I notice how this piece does not state all the help she gave to Mr Williams in the last year. every one has their own opinion but now everyone is jumping on the band wagon the same as usual in a situation like this. I think that the everyone needs to realise the meaning of local news councillor Wilcox is a person and a individual who also has feelings and the mail should think about that.
I support Angela Wilcox 100% because I am one of the community that realise what has done for people and how she would make sure they got what they needed
just for you information Mr mister councillor Wilcox is not my mother she is no relation to me and councillor Wilcox has helped me out and gave me great advice for the problems I have had in the past and as you so called no it all's that think you some how no every minor detail well your wrong I would love to see your reaction if the shoe was on the other foot, and as for bringing peoples personal lives into the situation what right do you actually have? let me think about that NONE!!!! I think you all should be banned from commenting, you don't only like to hurt one but other people too. I think its about time real news was put on the front of the mail other than the same thing there was a headline today about a innocent girl being raped but the mail seem to think that isn't important what they think is important is ruining peoples lives and not getting the facts right. as for all you know it all's one day when the truth comes out I hope you feel very guilty for what you have said
At the end of the day she is screwing everyone over, not just mr williams. There would be a lot more to be heard if more people had the courage to stand up like he did.
(//)il just start off with congratulating Lynda and Carl for standing up to AW there's a lot that haven't all this could have been out years ago but sadly people have just gone quietly . Secondly over the years there's been a lot of hard working people doing there job properly at MRA only to be driven out by you know who I've seen it first hand . hopefully the management committee will do what needs to be done and MRA can return to what it was 20yr ago if at all possible
It was proved in teeside tribunal that wilcox falsified a contract with the datet April 2011 when clearly mr williams had payslips going back to february 2011 also she had not paid tax & Ni to inland rev of 203 pound per month from october 2012 also was proved. mr williams worked for MR 37 hts per week also worked 12 hours per month for connective care project in glamis walk so how can she say she has done nothing wrong ....deary me the well trained judges must be lying in her eues i hope they gey wind of this claim and throw the key away ;D