Six councillors (formerly part of Hartlepool Independent Group) have formally registered with the Electoral Commission and are now a fully fledged political party. Word has it that other factions planned to launch multiple quasi-independents with a view to splitting the vote. Being registered as a party will clarify who's who & prevent 'confusion'...
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-independent-councillors-launch-new-union-to-stand-out-in-elections-1-9624331
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on March 02, 2019, 12: PM
Six councillors (formerly part of Hartlepool Independent Group) have formally registered with the Electoral Commission and are now a fully fledged political party. Word has it that other factions planned to launch multiple quasi-independents with a view to splitting the vote. Being registered as a party will clarify who's who & prevent 'confusion'...
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-independent-councillors-launch-new-union-to-stand-out-in-elections-1-9624331
prime example april 2018
Foggy Furze
Ann Marshall Labour
Andrew Martin-Wells Conservative
Darren Price Independent
Michael James Ritchie Greens
Andrew Wildberg Independent= kevin cranneys cousin ring any bells ??
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/07793699-opportunities-from-community-action-community-interest-company
http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=519172&subid=0
List of new independent Party's?
Mock Independent Oppotrtunist Party.
The Pretend-Independent Look at Us Party
The Dependent Independent Labour Party
The umbilical PretendepenentsIndependents.
The Clouding the Water Independents.
The Promise you anything Deflection Party.
The Independent but vote Lab/Tor Party.
The Independent Decoy Party.
The I'm really an Independent, oh no I'm not Party.
The Incoherent Party
I see that the usual coven of Pixies have been out in force on the Mails fb page slagging of the Indie Party........
Would any of them like to tell us where they have been over the 6 years or so the SCABAL have been 'governing' the town, I don't recollect any of them attending council meetings, or asking questions of their Labour representatives.
Did any of them call for action to be taken against SAB when he was sacked for GIM, did any of them question the abandonment of the £1.5 million town plan, or any of the other multi million pound clusterucks that were done in labours name. ??????
Like all political nodding dogs, they're told what do and do it.
They ask no questions.
Thinking rationally hurts.
A mindless minion is a happy minion.
Tickle belly terriers yapping at the moon.
All p¡$$ING in the same pot, independently a party, eh how's that work? One of them on record as stating its a career for him, another who changed political parties more times thn I've had hot dinners.
Not one of them are any different from the parasitic bunch currently running the council and if you think any differently you must be deluded.
Labmob or the opportunists, there's no real opposition, they'd all take the ounce of silver I have no doubts about that if they ever got into any real position of power... Prove me wrong.
Really don't understand why those who're so faithful to traditional party politics fail to understand the independent sector. Where there's no whip, those who operate under the party umbrella are free to vote/act according to the needs of their individual wards. Simple as that.
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party, but if UnknownUser is referring to Councillor Moore......He must be a very skinny person.
As for the "Not one of them are any different from the parasitic bunch currently running the council and if you think any differently you must be deluded" Comment.......I am certainly not deluded, i am however pragmatic.......Non of them bear any resemblance to those labour councillors who are currently running the town and anyone who thinks so is definitely 'Deluded'
Of our current Coucillors who have ever been in responsible for managing a budget running into millions of pounds every year. One is a failed business man, some of the rest have been living on Benefits for years, one is a proven liar sacked for industrial misconduct then failing to turn up at the appeal.
For me the new party can't be any worse than the current incumbents in the Council, give them the opportunity.
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party, but if UnknownUser is referring to Councillor Moore......He must be a very skinny person.
As for the "Not one of them are any different from the parasitic bunch currently running the council and if you think any differently you must be deluded" Comment.......I am certainly not deluded, i am however pragmatic.......Non of them bear any resemblance to those labour councillors who are currently running the town and anyone who thinks so is definitely 'Deluded'
Bang on Fred - my main concern is in Labour claiming they are the majority party after the May elections. There is a real chance that 3 Labour seats will go Independent - Moneybags, Doc Pothole and Robinson.
That will see the split as -
Labour - 15
Independent - 15
Conservatives - 3
If all the Independents don't combine to form the new Union then Labour will argue that they are still the majority party with the Independent Union having 5, Conservatives 3 plus 10 individuals - so no change. Looking on the bright side in the leadership challenge - if they vote the same as last time and Barclay, Belcher and Truman are replaced by anti SCABs then it's goodbye Hartlepool - hello Brighton.
For - 7
CAB
SAB
Cranney
James
Thomas
Cook
Marshall
Against - 8
Hunter
Brown
Richardson
3 new Labour
Harrison
Hamilton
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 10: AM
Not one of them are any different from the parasitic bunch currently running the council and if you think any differently you must be deluded.
Labmob or the opportunists, there's no real opposition, they'd all take the ounce of silver I have no doubts about that if they ever got into any real position of power... Prove me wrong.
So are you actually advocating we stick with the same old shower, really? Now I like joke with the best of them. It is a joke isn't it?
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Non of them bear any resemblance to those labour councillors who are currently running the town
Time will tell...
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Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 10: AM
Not one of them are any different from the parasitic bunch currently running the council and if you think any differently you must be deluded.
Labmob or the opportunists, there's no real opposition, they'd all take the ounce of silver I have no doubts about that if they ever got into any real position of power... Prove me wrong.
So are you actually advocating we stick with the same old shower, really? Now I like joke with the best of them. It is a joke isn't it?
Certainly not advocating that, I would implore most that a council with no overall control is the only option.
On what do you base that reasoning?
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Actually, what I want from a ward councillor is someone who can represent me ... someone who can champion the needs of the ward ... an advocate. Someone who can sort out bin collections, dog poo, grot spots, social care, parking issues & so on. I don't give a proverbial about what party or parties they may or may not have joined back in the dim & distant past. Once again this emphasises the importance of independents in local government - we don't need a political treatise (either left or right) - just people who'll roll their sleeves up & get on with the day job.
If someone decides to change Party, that's their choice, it isn't illegal.
Unlike puppy's at Xmas, a political Party isn't for life.
It's the floating voters (who can change their mind) who decide the outcome of elections. So if it's good enough for the voters, I see no problem with a politician changing their mind.
I get more depressed by the 'Party for life' Daleks, a sign of inflexible thought, almost quasi religious/cultish in it's application.
The present incumbents are inert, stagnating as the town meanders it's way down the drain.
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Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
No, you aren't. The Hartlepool Independent Group was never a political party and existed solely as a 'group' of independent councillors working together within Hartlepool Borough Council.
I do agree with you on your later point though. For years I have advocated that the best way for this town to move forward is for no one party/group to have overall control of HBC. Only then will people be forced to sit around the table and act like civilised adults to one and other and work together to get things done.
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Yes you are correct........ However you mentioned more parties than "Hot Dinners" can we all assume then that you have only had 1"Hot Dinner"........Your attempt to provoke reaction with your comments here, prove you are capable of making a t**t of yourself, without help from users of this forum.
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Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Yes you are correct........ However you mentioned more parties than "Hot Dinners" can we all assume then that you have only had 1"Hot Dinner"........Your attempt to provoke reaction with your comments here, prove you are capable of making a t**t of yourself, without help from users of this forum.
And the personal insults begin... Quelle surprise.
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Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
No, you aren't. The Hartlepool Independent Group was never a political party and existed solely as a 'group' of independent councillors working together within Hartlepool Borough Council.
I do agree with you on your later point though. For years I have advocated that the best way for this town to move forward is for no one party/group to have overall control of HBC. Only then will people be forced to sit around the table and act like civilised adults to one and other and work together to get things done.
I'm originally from a city which has a council of NOC, party politics is not suited to local level in this day and age, the main parties at national level are a shambles that courses all the way down to local level.
I've lived here a couple of years and have grown quite fond of this town, what I do see though is good councillors like yourself and several others bogged down in a mire of sh!t, making real changes for the betterment of your wards and the people inside of it, however once the little Labour clique have retreated back in to the holes they emerged from and the council is leaderless, where do we go from there? Who is going to have the intensinal fortitude to grab the reins?
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Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Yes you are correct........ However you mentioned more parties than "Hot Dinners" can we all assume then that you have only had 1"Hot Dinner"........Your attempt to provoke reaction with your comments here, prove you are capable of making a t**t of yourself, without help from users of this forum.
And the personal insults begin... Quelle surprise.
As someone who has campaigned vigorously against the Pseudo Labour party that has wasted millions of pounds in Hartlepool I can only tell you, your comments are highly offensive not only to me but to countless others who have long pointed out the failings of local party politics in local government.
So, back to your original and banal "Hot Dinners" comment, have you had more than 1 Hot Dinner.......By all means use the forum to contribute to matters than could improve the governance of the town...... however, don't expect any interaction with members of The Post when you only appear on the forum to have a dig at members......If that is your only aim, you should seriously consider joining another forum that shares your philosophy.
Quote from: fred c on March 05, 2019, 01: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 05, 2019, 08: AM
Quote from: fred c on March 05, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Yes you are correct........ However you mentioned more parties than "Hot Dinners" can we all assume then that you have only had 1"Hot Dinner"........Your attempt to provoke reaction with your comments here, prove you are capable of making a t**t of yourself, without help from users of this forum.
And the personal insults begin... Quelle surprise.
As someone who has campaigned vigorously against the Pseudo Labour party that has wasted millions of pounds in Hartlepool I can only tell you, your comments are highly offensive not only to me but to countless others who have long pointed out the failings of local party politics in local government.
So, back to your original and banal "Hot Dinners" comment, have you had more than 1 Hot Dinner.......By all means use the forum to contribute to matters than could improve the governance of the town...... however, don't expect any interaction with members of The Post when you only appear on the forum to have a dig at members......If that is your only aim, you should seriously consider joining another forum that shares your philosophy.
Offended you? How so?
If having another viewpoint/opinion is offensive i will not apologise for that.
I'm sure you have fought for years, however I've been here for only 2 years, however I've managed to get HBC to publish data on Grants made to voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations, as well as donations made to a youth project under the guise of various Holiday hunger schemes, as well as other wastes of money visions.
We may not see eye to eye, but the common ground between us and most in this forum should be enough to place personal differences aside, I am highly cynical of councillors regardless of which colour they nail to their flagpole again for that I will not apologise.
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 05, 2019, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 05, 2019, 01: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 05, 2019, 08: AM
Quote from: fred c on March 05, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 04, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 04, 2019, 03: PM
Who amongst the Independent councillors has had more parties than UnknownUser ? I am aware that Shane Moore was formerly a member of the Tory party,
Conservatives, United Kingdom Independence Party, and now formerly of the Independent Group.
Am I right?
Yes you are correct........ However you mentioned more parties than "Hot Dinners" can we all assume then that you have only had 1"Hot Dinner"........Your attempt to provoke reaction with your comments here, prove you are capable of making a t**t of yourself, without help from users of this forum.
And the personal insults begin... Quelle surprise.
As someone who has campaigned vigorously against the Pseudo Labour party that has wasted millions of pounds in Hartlepool I can only tell you, your comments are highly offensive not only to me but to countless others who have long pointed out the failings of local party politics in local government.
So, back to your original and banal "Hot Dinners" comment, have you had more than 1 Hot Dinner.......By all means use the forum to contribute to matters than could improve the governance of the town...... however, don't expect any interaction with members of The Post when you only appear on the forum to have a dig at members......If that is your only aim, you should seriously consider joining another forum that shares your philosophy.
Offended you? How so?
If having another viewpoint/opinion is offensive i will not apologise for that.
I'm sure you have fought for years, however I've been here for only 2 years, however I've managed to get HBC to publish data on Grants made to voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations, as well as donations made to a youth project under the guise of various Holiday hunger schemes, as well as other wastes of money visions.
We may not see eye to eye, but the common ground between us and most in this forum should be enough to place personal differences aside, I am highly cynical of councillors regardless of which colour they nail to their flagpole again for that I will not apologise.
I have no problems with differing viewpoints, your last paragraph is more in line with the ethos of The Post and its members, unlike some of your previous contribution.
Quote from: UnknownUser on March 05, 2019, 02: PM
We may not see eye to eye, but the common ground between us.............
See Lyndon B Johnson's quote about Herbert Hoover and the tent.