It would appear from Facebook, a coalition has been struck between HIU and Conservatives to make it the largest party.
The sums would then be
HIU/Con....11
Labour.......10
Socialist......4
Independents plus others.........8
If this is true the new council leader would be Shane Moore, unless of course some of the Independents vote for Paddy Brown as some still see HIU under the UKIP banner. It will be interesting to see which way the Fantastic Four vote - as said in previous posts, it would be political suicide for HIU to associate themselves with them and they obviously won't vote Labour.
King (for Britain), Cartwright (V&P) and Mincher (UKIP) may see their ideals aligned with HIU and join the coalition - taking it to 14
If Lauderdale is promised the Robes and Hall a chair the coalition could then reach 16 - still one short as I think the Seaton Independents could well stick together.
So it looks as though the future of our council is in the hands of the Independents
But most of all it's important that the Socialists are completely marginalised and kept well away from any Committee Chairs.
Really comical to see Labour cyphers all over Facebook calling Shane for making a deal with the Conservatives when they did the square root of absolutely fcuk all when their own Party did the exact same thing with Wells. It is just sour grapes from the Corbyn mob who have had their dreams shattered and have managed to lose control of one of the safest Labour Councils in the country. At least they are keeping up the Labour tradition of being really bad losers.
The silence from the current Labour Councillors who (like the Conservatives) kept CAB in power over the last few years is deafening.
Perhaps Paddy should reflect on his own history of silence on this subject and remember how he helped prop up the Ancien Régime?
Anyone got a copy of Paddy's voting history and can point to when he voted against the whip?
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I really don't know what to think at the moment....
I am appreciative of the fact that change is clearly happening, however I still remain concerned that the town and the taxpayer will get screwed over once again....
I'm interested to see how this all plays out, but I've learned over the years to not trust any political figure or party. There's almost always an underlying agenda for those involved.
The only viable long-term solution in my opinion, is for there to be no financial gain to be had from being a politician.... Only then might my faith be restored in the decision makers
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 02: PM
, but I've learned over the years to not trust any political figure or party. There's almost always an underlying agenda for those involved
Your going to get screwed whichever way it pans out so why waste time worrying because your preferred way of being reamed is not followed?
'Change' is an illusion and I despair at seeing old hands ignoring a lifetimes experience and acting like a second coming has been thwarted. This is a hung council.
No one has control. Deals
HAVE to be done so stop lending credence to the conspiratorial whinging of those denied a place at the trough.
Labour have fcuked up badly and their latest 'cunning plan' to blind the electorate to their silence whilst the SCAB raped and pillaged Hartlepool ended up in the overflowing bin in the corner of Labour HQ marked 'failed Cunning Plans'.
We will get another bite at the cherry in a years time so is it really all that important who
ruins runs the Council in the next 12 months?
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I really don't know what to think at the moment....
I am appreciative of the fact that change is clearly happening, however I still remain concerned that the town and the taxpayer will get screwed over once again....
I'm interested to see how this all plays out, but I've learned over the years to not trust any political figure or party. There's almost always an underlying agenda for those involved.
It's called politics, that's how it works. I take it you never vote then?
I think the wisest thing for Labour to do would be to take a years sabbatical. The transformation from the door slamming as the Great Navigator left the building to no doubt airbrushing them from the history books begs the question why so compliant when the Leader was in charge....?
I think they need to put clear blue water time wise between the new order and the old pretender. A dramatic overnight conversion takes some getting used to.
Comrade Carl appears to have been very quiet.
Who is he going to sit next to now ?
I look forward to the time one Jonathan James Frederick Brash is berating/disowning/rejecting the SLP Councilors when they vote with Labour to try and block every move by the new Regime.
I have already banked the screenshots so deletion is futile.................
Interesting how things come full circle isn't it?
This is from 2013, right at the start of what became the SCAB regime.
Quotehttps://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/calls-to-sign-petition-calling-for-government-probe-into-hartlepool-council-1-5778332
This is from today.
Quotehttps://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-council-labour-group-unveils-new-leadership-after-resignations-1-9760513
What Labour are calling for NOW is almost exactly what myself and others were pushing for in 2013 and beyond.
Quote1. A full public inquiry into the leadership of Hartlepool Borough Council since 2013, with a particular focus on financial management and decision-making.
2. A clear policy that excludes councillors from any decisions that benefit companies, charities or other organisation from which any elected member benefits financially.
The five core proposed reforms are almost exactly the things Labour have consistently BLOCKED over the last six years.
There's literally nothing in the five proposals that isn't what either PHF, independents like Paul Thompson or others pushed and pushed and pushed for.
Look at Carl Richardson's quotes from the first link. Presumably his signature is on the 'new' proposals.
Quisling.
It worked for Angie. The lack of paperwork meant she only got charged with about £10,000 worth of fraud and the thick end of £500,000 went unaccounted for.
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Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 02: PM
I really don't know what to think at the moment....
I am appreciative of the fact that change is clearly happening, however I still remain concerned that the town and the taxpayer will get screwed over once again....
I'm interested to see how this all plays out, but I've learned over the years to not trust any political figure or party. There's almost always an underlying agenda for those involved.
It's called politics, that's how it works. I take it you never vote then?
I'm not a complete imbecile, and I have a fair idea of "how it works", but I will openly admit that the smoke and mirrors do confuse me sometimes,, and people using analogies and speaking in whispers and riddles does not assist the average Joe Bloggs in understanding what exactly is going on.
Straight talking is something that unfortunately appears to be lacking more and more these days. Apparently it's trendy and looks intelligent to be able to have underhanded digs at people without actually saying what you really mean...
I can't say that's a style that impresses me much.
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Straight talking is something that unfortunately appears to be lacking more and more these days.
When the SCABs posted on this forum their last alias (they had a few but not as many as Jonathan James Frederick Brash) was 'Straight Talking'. It was a pun on their sexuality and they both posted under the one ID. It was painfully obvious when SAB opined. He made the first lot of UKIP Councillors look intelligent!
See here for Jonathan James Frederick Brash getting outed for using a fake ID to praise himself
This is indeed the Great Man in the third person 'bigging' himself up!
Quote from: TSteels on May 24, 2015, 09: PM
On this issue (and once again, for you have been told) Brash exited the Labour group partly because of his calling for and getting a public enquiry into MRA. He then put publicly gave evidence to the enquiry highlighting what he characterised as corrupt and bullying behaviour by some of his former colleagues, who he named. The fact that nothing came of that was not for the want of his trying.
He has subsequently spent the last 2 years hurling everything at the SCABs. Believe this, if he had some great silver bullet to fire, he would. Moreover if the SCABS had even the merest hint of something they could unleash on him they would. Lest we forget they generally have to resort to making something up. They are the most vindictive human beings imaginable, who believe the can do no wrong.
Your ongoing fantasy about some deep dark secret would seem a great deal less delusional if you had the guts to say them to your targets face. By all means, however, prove me wrong!
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,2579.msg28351.html#msg28351
Just a few posts later Jonathan James Frederick Brash switches to his real ID.
This is the standard Labour Tactic of encouraging members to register multiple IDs to spam local groups in order to inflate their popularity.
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Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Straight talking is something that unfortunately appears to be lacking more and more these days.
When the SCABs posted on this forum their last alias (they had a few but not as many as Jonathan James Frederick Brash) was 'Straight Talking'. It was a pun on their sexuality and they both posted under the one ID. It was painfully obvious when SAB opined. He made the first lot of UKIP Councillors look intelligent!
Unfortunately,, it is also 'trendy' to espouse one's sexuality these days, particularly when that sexuality is part of a minority group. It seemingly lends credence to the inevitable further claims of discrimination etc etc.
Political correctness appears to be another means to dumb down the voice of average Joe. Quite an unfortunate situation
In that vein, I went to school with Mr. Brash,,, and I can confidently say that he's been a bell-end all of his life
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Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 02: PM
I really don't know what to think at the moment....
I am appreciative of the fact that change is clearly happening, however I still remain concerned that the town and the taxpayer will get screwed over once again....
I'm interested to see how this all plays out, but I've learned over the years to not trust any political figure or party. There's almost always an underlying agenda for those involved.
It's called politics, that's how it works. I take it you never vote then?
I'm not a complete imbecile, and I have a fair idea of "how it works", but I will openly admit that the smoke and mirrors do confuse me sometimes,, and people using analogies and speaking in whispers and riddles does not assist the average Joe Bloggs in understanding what exactly is going on.
Straight talking is something that unfortunately appears to be lacking more and more these days. Apparently it's trendy and looks intelligent to be able to have underhanded digs at people without actually saying what you really mean...
I can't say that's a style that impresses me much.
I did tell you how it is, straight down the line. If you want to interpret straight talking as something else and add strange interpretations to it, crack on.
Remember though, politicians rely on the indifference of the majority to succeed.
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Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 02: PM
I really don't know what to think at the moment....
I am appreciative of the fact that change is clearly happening, however I still remain concerned that the town and the taxpayer will get screwed over once again....
I'm interested to see how this all plays out, but I've learned over the years to not trust any political figure or party. There's almost always an underlying agenda for those involved.
It's called politics, that's how it works. I take it you never vote then?
I'm not a complete imbecile, and I have a fair idea of "how it works", but I will openly admit that the smoke and mirrors do confuse me sometimes,, and people using analogies and speaking in whispers and riddles does not assist the average Joe Bloggs in understanding what exactly is going on.
Straight talking is something that unfortunately appears to be lacking more and more these days. Apparently it's trendy and looks intelligent to be able to have underhanded digs at people without actually saying what you really mean...
I can't say that's a style that impresses me much.
I did tell you how it is, straight down the line. If you want to interpret straight talking as something else and add strange interpretations to it, crack on.
Remember though, politicians rely on the indifference of the majority to succeed.
So why the comment about voting? If you bothered to read any of my other posts, you'd realise that I take voting quite seriously, and that I also openly state when and why I'm unsure about my choices....
Your naivety.
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Your naivety.
I'm naive for stating that I'm dubious and unsure about what is going on politically???
A wise man questions everything...
Anyone who questions 'eveything' wastes a lot of time and gets nowhere fast ( and becomes very unpopular) A shrewd man sorts the wheat from the chaff then gets down to the things that need questioning.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2019, 06: PM
Anyone who questions 'eveything' wastes a lot of time and gets nowhere fast ( and becomes very unpopular) A shrewd man sorts the wheat from the chaff then gets down to the things that need questioning.
Clearly you are wiser (and more popular) than I am
No, just a cynic and a lifelong observer of human nature.
Observing human nature must take up quite a bit of precious time
With a bit if practice it becomes instinctive.
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 06: PM
Observing human nature must take up quite a bit of precious time
Not if it's your job. But I won't waste any more of yours.
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Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 06: PM
Observing human nature must take up quite a bit of precious time
Not if it's your job. But I won't waste any more of yours.
I could say that "questioning everything" is my job, but I do not wish to derail this thread any further ;)