What is the truth about UKIP's comments?

[Mican]

On a thread on the local issues board I had the following thrust at me: Or that God is punishing us with floods because of homosexuals as claimed by UKIP councillor David  Silverster from Henley on Thames in January this year. To add to that I was asked if I agreed with him, errrr

We all know that headlines sell papers, we also know that the story that follows isn't always the same as the headline, being rather sceptical about newspapers and bloggers I decided to look up the story on several different bits of media coverage.  The following is part of the letter he actually wrote:  "Now even as Cameron sheds crocodile tears on behalf of destitute flooded homeowners, playing at advocate against the very local councils he has made cash strapped, it is his fault that large swathes of the nation have been afflicted by storms."  People may not agree, but to me this puts a slightly different slant on the headline, anyone can put 2 and 2 together and make it sound like 19 by manipulating the actual account.   

The question is:  Is this man just another UKIP crackpot or fruitcake or another UKIP member being set up?

And before anyone asks, let me repeat once again I am not a member or supporter of UKIP, nor do I vote for a party, but for the individual candidate.  At the last local elections I voted for Dave Riddle, not for PHF but for the individual who I believed best suited to do the job.  I just hope he can continue to walk the walk and not let his dislike for everythig UKIP cloud his judgement as a councillor.
Amen.

[Party Pooper]

On a thread on the local issues board I had the following thrust at me: Or that God is punishing us with floods because of homosexuals as claimed by UKIP councillor David  Silverster from Henley on Thames in January this year. To add to that I was asked if I agreed with him, errrr

We all know that headlines sell papers, we also know that the story that follows isn't always the same as the headline, being rather sceptical about newspapers and bloggers I decided to look up the story on several different bits of media coverage.  The following is part of the letter he actually wrote:  "Now even as Cameron sheds crocodile tears on behalf of destitute flooded homeowners, playing at advocate against the very local councils he has made cash strapped, it is his fault that large swathes of the nation have been afflicted by storms."  People may not agree, but to me this puts a slightly different slant on the headline, anyone can put 2 and 2 together and make it sound like 19 by manipulating the actual account.   

The question is:  Is this man just another UKIP crackpot or fruitcake or another UKIP member being set up?

And before anyone asks, let me repeat once again I am not a member or supporter of UKIP, nor do I vote for a party, but for the individual candidate.  At the last local elections I voted for Dave Riddle, not for PHF but for the individual who I believed best suited to do the job.  I just hope he can continue to walk the walk and not let his dislike for everythig UKIP cloud his judgement as a councillor.
Amen.

Yeah right Mican!
if thats all this crackpot did why do think UKIP expelled him?

here are some of the sources of the story ;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/19/ukip-councillor-gay-people-spiritual-disease-pray-healed-david-silvester

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541774/UKIP-councillor-David-Silvester-blames-UK-storms-gay-marriage-legalised.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10619383/Ukip-c

Mican lets us have the link to your source of information please and we can read it for ourselves.

[Mican]

Yeah right Mican!
if thats all this crackpot did why do think UKIP expelled him?

here are some of the sources of the story ;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

Read it, where is the content of the letter he wrote

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/19/ukip-councillor-gay-people-spiritual-disease-pray-healed-david-silvester
 
Read it, where is the content of the letter he wrote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541774/UKIP-councillor-David-Silvester-blames-UK-storms-gay-marriage-legalised.html

Read it and guess what it showed the content of the letter he wrote, the part that I highlighted, did you not see that bit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10619383/Ukip-c

Tried to read your link and guess what. "Sorry
We cannot find the page you are looking for.

    The page may have been moved, updated or deleted.

Mican lets us have the link to your source of information please and we can read it for ourselves.

What a star you are.  What about the question I asked, did you forget that bit.

[mk1]

The story received minimal coverage in the press, nothing on TV or Radio (to my knowledge) whereas the case of David Silvester must be responsible for the sacrifice of at least two Brazilian rain forests".
Strange that isn't it?

Should have gone to specsavers 

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/ira-bomb-joke-councillor-escapes-punishment-1-4505370


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-17069083


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/345883/Fury-over-Labour-and-vile-abuse-of-Lady-Thatcher


http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9538919.Labour_suspends_pit_village_councillor_over_Thatcher__bombing___comment_row/

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/councillor-sparks-outrage-after-backing-179302


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/227490.html


http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-councillor-suspended-labour-party-1360716

It is also in all the major right-wing papers but when I linked them they introduced a code that destroyed the page format. Rest assured The Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph all joined in

[mk1]

Contrast this with the case of a Sunderland LABOUR councillor who called for the IRA to 'have another try' at assassinating Margaret Thatcher.

Would it suprise you to learn that the councillor in question said/wrote not a single word on the subject of Mrs Thatcher?
That Thatcher was not mentioned at all?
That said councillor never uttered/wrote a word about anything?

It seems you are singularly ill informed about the incident and I confidently state you have not the slightest inkling of what happened  bar that which you picked up in casual conversation. No doubt a frantic Google will explain to you the enormity of your error and you can come back claiming 'I knew all that' but don't expect anyone to believe you.

[mk1]

The claim:

Contrast this with the case of a Sunderland LABOUR councillor who called for the IRA to 'have another try' at assassinating Margaret Thatcher.

The facts.

In July 2010 this was posted on some Facebook account.


"We are appealing to the IRA to find it in their hearts to bomb the next Tory conference."

The Sunderland Councillor saw it and 'liked' it.

That is it.

[Party Pooper]

Good evening Mican, I didn't forget that bit! Read my post again and you will see my answer, here's a clue it's right under the words"Yeah right"
However your Philip hasn't answered my question on what UKIP polices are and if he supports them and what are his views on the EU migrant survey reported today in the Gaudrian? Maybe you can read it to him.

[Party Pooper]

Hi Kepperdip yes parties have their eccentrics, some have more than others both numerically and proportionally. All parties have their internal differences don't you agree?

http://juniusonukip.blogspot.co.uk

[Mican]

Good evening Mican, I didn't forget that bit! Read my post again and you will see my answer, here's a clue it's right under the words"Yeah right"

Are you really trying to tell me this is your answer to the question "if thats all this crackpot did why do think UKIP expelled him"?

However your Philip hasn't answered my question on what UKIP polices are and if he supports them and what are his views on the EU migrant survey reported today in the Gaudrian? Maybe you can read it to him.

Perhaps you should read my little disclaimer at the start of the thread before you write such nonsense, if you have and still write this, can I ask you what planet you are from.

[Party Pooper]

Kepperdip I don't know enough about that matter and would not try to defend the indefensible. I Also believed two wrongs dont make a right. I think the point about Clr Silvester that worries me is that not only does he attempt to stir up hatred of gay people but claims have devine authority on his side. I worry about all sides who claim a god gives them the authority for their hatred against others.
Where do you stand on Holocaust Deniers and the fact Nigel Farage has teamed up with such in his European Grouping to get EU funds?
Kipperdip do you believe the Holocaust took place and do you support Nigel Farage teaming up with those who don't?

[DRiddle]

At the last local elections I voted for Dave Riddle, not for PHF but for the individual who I believed best suited to do the job.  I just hope he can continue to walk the walk and not let his dislike for everythig UKIP cloud his judgement as a councillor.
Amen.

I appreciate your vote. Although as I said earlier in another thread, myself and PHF need support within the chamber. Staying silent isn't an option in my view.

Anyway, I think i'll join MK1 in ignoring this thread after this message.

[Mican]

Although as I said earlier in another thread, myself and PHF need support within the chamber. Staying silent isn't an option in my view.

I completely agree with you, but just let me say, when you were running for council I made a comment about social media which still stands, anyone can read what is written and though it may have it's advantages it also has it's disadvantages and may one day come back to bite you.  If PHF expects UKIP to be buddy buddy in the chamber, then PHF needs to stop it's critism of UKIP on social media which has been going on for a while, to say the least it's not the brightest of ideas.  Stay with the things that are important in the town.   And no I am not a supporter of UKIP or PHF.

[Party Pooper]

PP - Please quote exactly where David Silvester while wearing either his Tory councillor hat or his UKIP councillor hat ever advocated "'HATRED OF GAY PEOPLE"?
Are you saying that, because, on religious grounds, he expressed his opposition to same-sex marriage - that equates to 'hatred'?

You absolutely typify the thought police mentality that proliferates on this site.

It may come as a complete shock and a total surprise but freedom of speech (only just I agree) still exists in this country.
No doubt you want to change all that?

Yes it does equate to hatred are you suggesting he was making the stupid claims to be positive? If he made the link between floods and fascists for example, being the cause and he had biblical proof would you see that as a positive for fascists? And I have never said he doesn't have the right to say such crap, but that does nt mean we have to agree with it or leave it unchallenged?
Why haven't you answered about your leader Nigel the rich man Farage  with his links to Facist Holocaust deniers and whether you agree with them!

[Mican]

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Why haven't you answered about your leader Nigel the rich man Farage  with his links to Facist Holocaust deniers and whether you agree with them!

Would you care to tell us all where on this thread or indeed the site this can be found so an answer can be given?

[one direction]

He's not my leader lol. Do like the politics of envy implicit  in the "rich man Farage" dig. What about multimillionaires Cameron and Osbourne, megga wealthy Mandelson or billionaire Blair lol do they qualify forsuch snide asides?