Obnoxious

mk1 · April 03, 2013, 04: PM

Quote from: perseus on April 03, 2013, 04: PM
. I'm sure Shane can see Wells now for exactly what people have been saying he is for months.

The situation is no different from the rest of the Labour group who ignore the antics of their leaders.

The needs of the Party always come first.
The good (wo)men who put up with it and stay silent are part of the problem.

I hold PHF to no higher standard and see only a tactical use for them in countering a greater evil.
Balance is the solution.

steveL · April 03, 2013, 04: PM

You clearly know about as much about what goes on within PHF as you do about what goes on within the Tory Group of three - zilch

. . . and please don't leave kisses at the end of your posts....in the present Tory context, it makes me uncomfortable.

steveL · April 03, 2013, 05: PM

now now...let's not go there

SRMoore · April 03, 2013, 05: PM

Quote from: steveL on April 03, 2013, 04: PM
You clearly know about as much about what goes on within PHF as you do about what goes on within the Tory Group of three - zilch

. . . and please don't leave kisses at the end of your posts....in the present Tory context, it makes me uncomfortable.

And by refusing to respond to the issues within PHF you have clearly shown that you either
A. know nothing about what goes on in your party
B. Are too blinkered to see it
C. Know the problems but are too busy toeing the party line to project unity
D. A mixture of all of the above.

At least I am honest enough to acknowledge issues in the conservative party and brave enough to speak out against them. Paper tigers indeed my friend.

As for your comments which hint of homophobia - I thought better of you once.

whatabouthisthen · April 03, 2013, 05: PM

I agree with Perseus Stevel - stop knocking a man's belief and let's combine and attack the real enemy. Shane is a Tory unlike the ones in the Chamber. He does disagree with them. If he gets elected I am sure he will be an asset.
In a party political system there are times when you have to vote together even if you don't entirely agree. Acting as an individual can't work as one is always outvoted and thus achieve nothing. This is one of the reasons I don't think PHF can succeed whilst allowing individuals to vote as they want. There has to be a whip at times - the skill is using it wisely. Labour apply the whip all the time so their Councillors are truly sheep. Last year's budget fiasco and this year's question fiasco are all down to Labour's strict non democratic rules.

Have the Brashs been accepted back into the fold - does anyone know?

steveL · April 03, 2013, 05: PM

I'm not knocking his belief. Shane is a proper Tory and although I don't agree with his views, I'd be first in the queue to defend his right to hold them. However, I do criticise him for continuing to defend a councillor elected as a Tory who invariably supports Labour to the point when he even gets a favourable mention on Labour's regional web site and goes on to support the scrapping of supplementary questions, a move entirely down to one incident where labour councillors were made to feel uncomfortable and, incidentally, flying in the face of his own parties views on localism. Ray Wells is no more a Tory than Cranney is a Socialist. They are peas out of the same pod and motivated by precisely the same thing - self interest.

The Tory Party only has 3 representatives in the council - and they vote with Labour every time. If the majority of voters in West Rural vote to elect a Tory as councillor then I think they should get a Tory - not a Labour cuckoo.

Incidentally and just for the record, Paul has been focussing on the housing plans at Claxton of late and by all accounts has been doing a grand job. He has not left PHF and in fact has just renewed his annual subscription and membership.

Alec had his own reasons for quitting as Chair but continues to make an active contribution and of course, his daughter wiped the floor with Shane in Seaton thanks to a large part on the support of Alec.

fred c · April 03, 2013, 06: PM

My only Gripe with Shane is not his commitment to his party, but his apparent commitment to the 3 Tory Councillors, although i use that term very loosely ( Voting Records Don`t Lie ).

Basically i don`t give a Flying F**k for National Party Politics in Local Government, But in Hartlepool we don`t even have that, what we have is a small number of Self Serving No Goods who are more interested in "Filling Their Boots" than with looking at the problems the town faces & trying to rectify them.

The constant self righteous behaviour of "The Mob", Charity this & Charity that, Welfare this & Welfare that, is all Top Show & is designed to Ingratiate themselves with the people who depend on genuine Charity & Welfare needs.

There is nothing more dispicable than opportunists who adopt the Mantra of Being a Socialist, but are clearly Intent on maximising their connections with people less fortunate than they are.

Its a bit like someone taking money out of the Blind Beggars Cap......

SRMoore · April 03, 2013, 07: PM

Fred, Steve - Please show me where on this discussion I defended the three Conservative councillors? I don't mind being accused of things providing what I am being accused of is correct.

I will always defend our councillors when I believe they have done right but I will also be the first one to criticise them in person when they don't. As it should be.

fred c · April 03, 2013, 09: PM

Quote from: SRMoore on April 03, 2013, 07: PM
Fred, Steve - Please show me where on this discussion I defended the three Conservative councillors? I don't mind being accused of things providing what I am being accused of is correct.

I will always defend our councillors when I believe they have done right but I will also be the first one to criticise them in person when they don't. As it should be.

I have no reason to doubt your reply Shane...... So, go on you can tell us...... what was their explanation for Voting Against the Question / Supplementary Question Amendment made by Ciilr Brash ?

SRMoore · April 04, 2013, 07: AM

Ask them. Contact details for all three conservative councillors can be found at www.hartlepoolconservatives.org.uk or www.hartlepool.gov.uk.

Can I assume that since no example of me defending our councillors occurred in this topic you will be happy to retract your earlier statement?

fred c · April 04, 2013, 07: AM

I asked a simple Question, i thought you might answer it.... but i thought wrong.

I hope your not going to Phone my Boss.

SRMoore · April 04, 2013, 08: AM

As was the question I asked you prior to it, Fred.

If you have a concern or question about how one or more of the conservative councillors have acted then I suggest you contact them directly. If you choose not to then I can only assume the matter is not of great importance to you.

DRiddle · April 04, 2013, 08: AM

All the while people 'in fight' on here you're playing into certain people's hands. If you really want to provide meaningful opposition for the greater good of Hartlepool, there is ONE lesson you could learn from them..... UNITE.

SRMoore · April 04, 2013, 08: AM

I have always been very willing to work with people from all political walks of life for exactly that reason, David. It is however very difficult to maintain that view when certain people are too wrapped up in scoring cheap political points to see past the trees.

DRiddle · April 04, 2013, 09: AM

Well, I have no dog in this fight. You know my views on what I think you should do to have a better chance of being elected at local level. Anyway, most people on this site seem to be broadly speaking on the same team. Just don't divide yourselves and play into your opponents hands.