Iain Wright has announced that he won't be standing in the June 8th Genera lElection
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/iain%20wright%20twitter%20steps%20down.jpg)
Who next though??? Surely it cannot be one of the SCABs.!
One of their puppets ?
3 possibilities.
Wright hasn't been getting along with the local CLP for ages. It's the usual thing, CAB just can't stand anyone with more status than himself. We saw it with Drummond and he will do the same with whoever becomes the Teesside Mayor.
The SCABS have taken to the cosmopolitan London life and Christopher fancies himself as MP. The other in-house possibility is Alan Clarke who will have the support of the union orangutans. The 3rd possibility is that an outsider is parachuted in with some talk that it maybe David Milliband making a re-entry ready to pick up the pieces after Corbyn resigns on June 9th.
Interesting thought about David Milliband but I think it's too early. The King has to be officially declared dead before the new King is hailed and that won't happen till June 9th.
I don't think Wright likes opposition politics and the prospect of another 5 years of it just doesn't interest him.
If it's a SCAB then Labour will lose what should be one of the safest Labour seats in the country to UKIP.
If it's Alan Clarke, 'the housewives choice' (as he's known to many of his pals) might save the seat. The narrative they could quickly build around him resonates with Corbyn's talk about manufacturing, helping the young etc.
Local boy, redundant steel worker, ex youth worker. He'll tick boxes with traditional Labour voters that the scabs could never tick.
I'm not sure a heavy weight Labour outsider would risk it on Hartlepool at present.
Could the biggest voice in UKIP throw his hat in?
Leo Gillen?
ALAN CLARK
Mandelson ?
Leo Gillen?
Good shout, nigel Farage was always rumoured to want this as his seat and then you would need a good local labour candidate to avoid him steamrollering, whether he would be a good Mp is another matter but he knows Mandy.
He may not even be a Labour Party member. The only other high profile local person in town off the top of my head is the ex editor of the Hartlepool mail or Alan Wright but I am not sure he is politically minded
Didn't Alan Wright stand as a Conservative in 2010?
Parliament dissolves in a couple of weeks, so whoever get the nod will need to start campaigning very quickly, if it's either of the SCABS there will be a public backlash that could end any chance of a Labour MP, if Alan Clark gets the nod, will he be his own man and put an end to the cabal that runs the HCLP, the real question is, is he the best man for the job and more pertinently does the Labour Party national executive think he is.....cue David Miliband....or.....A N Other ?
As for the man who can't be named, I could actually see him winning in Hartlepool..... Doh
Alan Wright has been all over the place politically depending on who was paying the highest after dinner rates
Quote from: fred c on April 19, 2017, 11: AM
Parliament dissolves in a couple of weeks, so whoever get the nod will need to start campaigning very quickly, if it's either of the SCABS there will be a public backlash that could end any chance of a Labour MP, if Alan Clark gets the nod, will he be his own man and put an end to the cabal that runs the HCLP, the real question is, is he the best man for the job and more pertinently does the Labour Party national executive think he is.....cue David Miliband....or.....A N Other ?
As for the man who can't be named, I could actually see him winning in Hartlepool..... Doh
Alan Clarke - the Eeyore candidate
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Quote from: fred c on April 19, 2017, 11: AM
As for the man who can't be named, I could actually see him winning in Hartlepool..... Doh
You've lost me Fred. Who is this?
Wright jumped before he was pushed. Excellent news for Labour and Hartlepool. He's been useless.
Massive decision for Hartlepool Labour. Get the right man and Labour will walk it. Get the wrong man and UKIP could have their only MP.
If Labour want to hand it to UKIP they need only choose Belcher. UKIP would have a landslide.
Tony Blair.
He will waive his M.P. pay etc.
Could move back to Trimdon.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 19, 2017, 02: PM
If Labour want to hand it to UKIP they need only choose Belcher. UKIP would have a landslide.
You would think so but the track-record proves otherwise. I can think of a good number of politicians of all parties who are not that bright. Trump made no secret of his drive to get the 'uneducated' on his side and it worked 'biggly' for him.
I believe in the not too distant future we will see moves by the elite to disenfranchise the undesirables and prevent the morons from being elected. You can see it happening in London where wholesale shipping out of the poor is underway. They are exporting the 'D's as far away as possible and you only have to look at the USA to see modern Republicans enacting a raft of voting conditions that are designed only to impact on non-whites and deny them the right vote.
There is at least one well known local labour supporter languishing in prison who will miss their chance to vote in June.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 19, 2017, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c
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As for the man who can't be named, I could actually see him winning in Hartlepool..... Doh
You've lost me Fred. Who is this?
Nige...... i think he would stand a real chance 'If he stood'........ i have come to the conclusion that the Labour candidate, like the next CEO should be from outwith the local area.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 19, 2017, 02: PM
Wright jumped before he was pushed. Excellent news for Labour and Hartlepool. He's been useless.
Massive decision for Hartlepool Labour. Get the right man and Labour will walk it. Get the wrong man and UKIP could have their only MP.
If Labour want to hand it to UKIP they need only choose Belcher. UKIP would have a landslide.
Not really true.
Labour have made it clear that all sitting candidates will be standing (if they want to) with no de-selections. The local CLP may have been planning to ditch Wright before 2020 but the unplanned nature of the GE has caught them off guard.
Wright had a good case to stand again. Corbyn will resign on June 9th and maybe Labour would sort itself out but maybe Wright knows better. Maybe he knows that the large increase in membership means that another Islington clone would simply take Corbyn's place.
If he sees no future for Labour, just perpetual opposition, then why stay - life's too short, as they say.
Welshman ... what's his name again 🤔
Don't make me laugh Dowager, he's never lived in Hartlepool for 25 years and he's a retard.
Quote from: Riqueti on April 19, 2017, 04: PM
Welshman ... what's his name again 🤔
Kinnock ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 19, 2017, 02: PM
Massive decision for Hartlepool Labour. Get the right man and Labour will walk it.
Get any man, woman, stuffed mammal or house plant and Labour will crawl over the line.
I'd love to know who the 'right man' could be, anyone will do in reality.
You never know-could end up being a straight (if one is permitted to say that ) fight between The AB Family and The Wells Family!
Quote from: mk1 on April 19, 2017, 06: PM
You never know-could end up being a straight (if one is permitted to say that ) fight between The AB Family and The Wells Family!
would be worth following ;D ;D ;)
they would both be throwing skeletons , half truths and supposition about right up to the end
Quote from: kevplumb on April 19, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 19, 2017, 06: PM
You never know-could end up being a straight (if one is permitted to say that ) fight between The AB Family and The Wells Family!
would be worth following ;D ;D ;)
they would both be throwing skeletons , half truths and supposition about right up to the end
Now come on - SAB - half truths? - if that's the case he's starting to become honest
Look North covered the Wright story and featured both Philip Broughton and Alan Clarke on
I'll be disappointed if UKIP put up Broughton again. Having had a few face to face conversations with him, he strikes me as nothing more than a charicature politician and to be frank, a bit of a prat.
He he gets the gig I don't see the seat going anywhere other than staying with Labour.
I'm hoping Nuttall or even Farage pulls rank on him.
If they do, then the seats really up for grabs. If it's Broughton, one of the current Labour lot will be in for a life changing career.
There's been a bit of a shift in emphasis from UKIP. Last time around, it was all about accruing as many votes as possible - the often quoted 4 million. This time, Nuttall is talking about targeting seats and concentrating resources and money on a much smaller number of seats with Hartlepool being one of them.
There are two reasons for this. Firstly, the party is in a financial mess and just hasn't got the money for a widespread campaign. Secondly, in two years time, 22 UKIP MEP's are going to be out of a job and I would expect these 22 to make up the front line of candidates in those seats designated as targets.
In Hartlepool, Broughton is a non-starter in the face of much higher profile contenders. So expect a known name to be their candidate with my money being on John Arnott.
This election will be UKIP's swan song so they need to up their game if they are going to take the seat. Having Tom Hind appearing in The Mail as their spokesman was not a good first move.
People need to take seriously the possibility of a Tory MP in Hartlepool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/19/hartlepool-ponders-a-change-after-half-a-century-voting-labour
See what you and your boys have done in Hartlepool Christopher?
David I totally agree with your comment to the scab,but at the end of the day they have made there money and they won't give a flying f*c*,if all people were like you and others on the council pools would be a better place.they have hidden there money to live a happy life,but I hope not long bas**ar*s.
Living in Hartlepool I find myself in a difficult position politically.
The Kremlin Crew are a disgrace which no morals whatsoever basically empire building and doing nothing for the town- not a good reflection of labour "values"
Morally I believe the conservatives care little for those who need the help and support of government.
I SHOULD vote labour as I think we should be supporting the national health service and taking care of each other. But all I have seen over the last 40 years as a voter both locally and nationally is labour bully boys holding the country to ransom on a regular basis and lining their pockets- Call me Tony and 2 jags prescott being prime examples.
The state of the national health service is frankly frightening- top heavy with un necessary managers milking the system- still I am loathed to vote for them as I don't believe they will deliver on any promises they make- indeed they brought the country to its knees prior to the Conservatives taking over ( coffers empty etc).
Jeremy is not a leader he's a political activist student who has never grown up and can you imagine Diane Abbot having any say in our lives? The labour heart is in the right place but they are damaged goods with the likes of Tony Hanging around earning his millions as a peace envoy.
The outgoing MP did nothing for the town- he developed a taste for chairing meeting and pontificating rather than focussing on the needs of the town. Good riddance to him.
The conservatives have not delivered on their promises and seem hell bent on privatising everything- basically if you can afford to pay... pay if not do without. They will not listen to the people and stop all overseas aid- charity begins at home.
Ukip served their purpose in driving us towards a yes brexit vote- but they are less than useless now, other than as a protest vote and i struggle to place a cross next to the name of someone who probably drags his knuckles along the ground and salivates in the corner when not spoken too- look at some of the morons who are speaking on behalf of UKIP locally- care in the community?
Lib-Dem The turn the clock back team- lets not leave europe and let europe rape us.......waste of a vote.
I suspect the Tories will take Hartlepool from labour as a voters use them as a protest vote and as they confuse the antics of Cwistopher and his Orangutang with the actions of the Labour party in general.
God knows who I will vote for on June 8th - Do we have a monster raving candidate.
Hurtling towards defacing my ballot paper.....
Quote from: DRiddle on April 20, 2017, 12: PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/19/hartlepool-ponders-a-change-after-half-a-century-voting-labour
See what you and your boys have done in Hartlepool Christopher?
I was never a fan of the 'Member' but even his abject performance as a constituency MP isn't the real reason people are fed up with Labour, as DRiddel says, CAB n SAB along with their muckers have shown themselves to be incapable of providing even the basic services and facilities the town deserves.
They fought the NT&Hartlepool NHS Trust with the ferocity a man wafting them with a damp teatowel, spending upteen millions of pounds with absolutely no visible signs of long term improvement, whilst at the same time dismantling the democratic process by the continual re-jigging of the towns constitution to suit there own ends.
They have shown a total lack of moral integrity in so many ways, lies, half truths broken promises, failed predictions of a New Town Plan in 6 months, Quick Flips, Profits in 4 or 5 years, Carpets, Parking Charges, Dump Charges..... the list is endless, they are so far removed from what I and almost everyone else regards as true Labour Principle as it is possible to be.
How many of the ruling group would be capable of earning a living in the public sector, how many are dependent on public sector funding for their livelihood, how many haven't been gainfully employed for years but managed a decent lifestyle on councillors allowances and voluntary sector funding.
Like many, I cannot with any conscience vote Labour, the party has lost its way, career politicians who have no idea of what the man in the streets ambitions are for himself, his children and grandchildren, a Tory government that are only interested in the monied elite and big business, slowly but surely privatising the NHS, reducing education to a postcode lottery...... as for the Limp Dems..... Farron and Clegg..... say no more.
It's to late for me, I have had my years of battling inequality, years of being bullied and abused by employers who didn't give a rats ass for our wellbeing, trying to make the town I am proud to say I live in a better place...... in 50 years of fighting my little battles I am further back than ever........all thanks to the self serving Political Classes of whichever persuasion..... A pox on their houses
Hartlepool really does deserve better.
Fred I suspect many are of the same opinion so where does that leave the man in in the street with an ounce of morals ?
We have to become an unpredictable town politically. We've been mugs for years, Labour take us as pet dogs and the other parties realise we're a basket case and ignore us.
Hold your nose and mark the ballot pare for change and they'll notice us and might even slip us a government dept our way instead of skivvy money jobs.
It's not difficult, look to the likely winners and vote for them.
Corbyn might be just the man a person like me would vote for but Labour has never done anything for Hartlepool on a local or national level
For me, Labour need kicking out of Hartlepool so the party remembers what the town means.
The Tories are horrible with their sanctions, cuts, NHS dismantling etc. and at a local level RMW is pointless.
UKIP to me don't appear to have their brain and mouths connected. They couldn't deliver a pizza never mind a manifesto.
Lib Dems, do they still exist in Hartlepool ?
Greens are just too small but well intentioned.
PHF, big respect to them challenging the corrupt, bankrupt, liars etc.
SNP ...I would rather they invaded us than vote UKIP or even Labour etc.
Independent ...a monkey suit could do it again, it is Hartlepool after all.
It is going to take one amazing candidate for me to bother voting. Lets see who is standing ...
Labour in Hartlepool need to be given some time in the wilderness and we might end up with a proper Labour council eventually.
It's no good wailing and gnashing teeth about who to vote for. It defeats the purpose if after criticising others, when the moment comes you put your rifles down and step back. Like I said, just back the likely winner and set change in motion. You have to vote or this message board has been a worth less exercise in hot air.
If it means voting UKIP to get Labour out of Hartlepool i will.
I have got the thumb of my left hand tightened in a vice as I type this.... I would even vote Tory to get Labour out of Hartlepool.... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the wife slackened the vice off.....however it would be conditional on the candidate promising to look into the local parties unequivocal support of Numbnut and Plods LabMob.
Farage has bottled it. The prospect of a 7th defeat has made him bolt......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39651781
Quote from: fred c on April 20, 2017, 06: PM
I have got the thumb of my left hand tightened in a vice as I type this.... I would even vote Tory to get Labour out of Hartlepool.... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the wife slackened the vice off.....however it would be conditional on the candidate promising to look into the local parties unequivocal support of Numbnut and Plods LabMob.
Thats what I will be doing........I would like, in an ideal world to see Cwistopher and his wife sweating at the prospect of dealing with a Tory MP who just disagrees with everything they say as opposed to a labour bitch who just bent over.....
Farage isn't standing for election as an MP
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 20, 2017, 05: PM
If it means voting UKIP to get Labour out of Hartlepool i will.
I'd say UKIP and you are a perfect match.
Quote from: steveL on April 20, 2017, 07: PM
Farage isn't standing for election as an MP
What a shame. I was looking forward to seeing him beaten for the eighth time.
I may be a little out of touch but is Jonathan Brash a possible candidate.Using the title the local paper always described as Independent Labour be interested in standing? I for one would support him as I feel he would be able to ruffle a few feathers as he is a cut above the Mob and has a score to settle.!!! That would be interesting and worth a punt.
Imagine a meeting where (say) Clark debates with Brash. Now that would be sight worth hearing. No doubt Clark would start every reply with 'My members and I.........'!
Quote from: mk1 on April 20, 2017, 11: PM
Imagine a meeting where (say) Clark debates with Brash. Now that would be sight worth hearing. No doubt Clark would start every reply with 'My members and I.........'!
Torn up A**e Paper comes to mind........... whatever thoughts people have on ex labour man Brash, he was a cut above any of the LabMob, he was prepared to take the Labour contingent on in a battle of wits on a regular basis, unfortunately
the LabMob were only half equipped.
They'll never win anything in a battle of wits or come to that anything on an intellectual level, so they back themselves up with zombies and rely on pure weight of obedient numbers rather than weight of debate.
I'm eagerly awaiting the unveiling of the Labour candidate. I can't see a viable local candidate and can't believe they'd be dumb enough to parachute in a twee Islington droid, so we live in interesting times.
Love them. Every time an election comes around they come out with "I've always voted Brain dead. Me dad voted Brain dead etc etc etc " going back to the crusades.
The funny thing is, they criticise the people representing them but don't appear to connect one with the other. The rump just don't think, voting for the Brain dead party is like performing bodily functions, you just do it, thought is irrelevant, it just happens and you have no control over it. And when you have no control over bodily functions you end up covered in?
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-guns-to-poach-hartlepool-from-labour-as-mp-iain-wright-stands-down-1-8501226 (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-guns-to-poach-hartlepool-from-labour-as-mp-iain-wright-stands-down-1-8501226)
Looks like Tom has been shopping again ......charity shops must be having a sale. What a ridiculous image to project....
Some interesting comments on Snail......Broughton living in Ingleby Barwick = own goal......
I note the ever "verbal" cwistopher hasn't poked his blond mop from under the duvet to pontificate on how he and the local labour party will be selecting a "replacement" for shitey.
As per other threads the problem at a local level is they are all complete s**t- either inexperienced and deluded or entirely focused on using Hartlepool as stepping stone to higher things.....
At a national level ?
Tories - full of empty promises and focus on wrong things...
Labour - Liars harping back to lunacy of 80's, financed by some particularly nasty trade unionists who don't give a damn about anyone who doesn't bow down to them.
Lib Dems - Fantasists who want to turn the Brexit clock backwards
Green Party - A joke- not a viable choice
Independents - As MPs, pointless, may as well not have one- at a local level good for throwing grenades at the Kremlin crew occasionally
Interesting development:
"A letter sent to Constituency Labour Parties states in relation to retirement seats - such as Hartlepool -: "It is with the greatest regret that local party members will not be able to select parliamentary candidates." It added; "This process is necessary and it is only due to the exceptional snap General Election circumstances."
Read more at: http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-presses-on-with-plans-to-fight-for-town-s-mp-seat-1-8503682"
There's talk of as many as 20+ current Labour MP's not standing for re-election.
Hartlepool will be a tricky one for Labour North to decide what to do with. The speed at which decisions will need to be made nationally is going to make it difficult for them to have the time to REALLY think about it carefully, fully taking into account the political mood in the town at present.
If they just look at it historically, it still looks like an easy Labour hold, but the zeitgeist currently doesn't suggest that.
The WRONG local candidate probably hands it to UKIP, the 'right' (if there is such a thing) local candidate MIGHT see them home. The curve ball in this is someone parachuted in from elsewhere.
In terms of helping many people (myself included) achieve their collective goal of turning the seat into a genuine full blown marginal seat, I hope they select Stephen Akers-Belcher.
If there's one person capable of destroying what remains of what was an 18,000 majority not too long ago, it's him.
Quote from: DRiddle on April 21, 2017, 07: AM
In terms of helping many people (myself included) achieve their collective goal of turning the seat into a genuine full blown marginal seat, I hope they select Stephen Akers-Belcher.
If there's one person capable of destroying what remains of what was an 18,000 majority not too long ago, it's him.
Wouldn't take much to "convince" Cwissie that he would fit in at westminster ( actually he would with certain "interest groups") his ego is big enough to convince himself he is the "man" for the job then we all turn up and pull the rug from under his feet.....god what a thought.
Based on that new information from SteveL, i think we could well be looking at a parachute candidate then. Either some one from (insert term of choice) : momentum/progressive left/moderate left/hard left/good old fashioned genuine socialist or a well known political 'name' from within the Labour ranks who doesn't currently have a seat. There's only really Ed Balls this side of the Scottish border i can think of though.
What will be REALLY interesting is to see if any of our current Labour councillors try for a seat somewhere else in the country.
There's an advert on Labour website asking for candidates and there are over 400 seats (mainly held by Tories currently) going begging.
I did hear some funny anecdotes about Robbie Payne trying do get the nod to be an MP in Scunthorpe a while back.
I'm hoping Marjorie has a crack at a seat in Surrey.
Quote from: steveL on April 21, 2017, 07: AM
Interesting development:
"A letter sent to Constituency Labour Parties states in relation to retirement seats - such as Hartlepool -: "It is with the greatest regret that local party members will not be able to select parliamentary candidates." It added; "This process is necessary and it is only due to the exceptional snap General Election circumstances."
Read more at: http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-presses-on-with-plans-to-fight-for-town-s-mp-seat-1-8503682"
I can see a situation where non of the candidates from Labour/Tory/UKIP originate from the town and Tennant wants to make his mind up if he wants to be a councillor or Mayor or MP.
Quote from: DRiddle on April 21, 2017, 07: AM
There's talk of as many as 20+ current Labour MP's not standing for re-election.
Hartlepool will be a tricky one for Labour North to decide what to do with. The speed at which decisions will need to be made nationally is going to make it difficult for them to have the time to REALLY think about it carefully, fully taking into account the political mood in the town at present.
If they just look at it historically, it still looks like an easy Labour hold, but the zeitgeist currently doesn't suggest that.
The WRONG local candidate probably hands it to UKIP, the 'right' (if there is such a thing) local candidate MIGHT see them home. The curve ball in this is someone parachuted in from elsewhere.
In terms of helping many people (myself included) achieve their collective goal of turning the seat into a genuine full blown marginal seat, I hope they select Stephen Akers-Belcher.
If there's one person capable of destroying what remains of what was an 18,000 majority not too long ago, it's him.
Ed Balls would win, if he was selected, purely because he was on strictly. That's how depressingly thick the majority are....
Quote from: steveL on April 21, 2017, 07: AM
Interesting development:
"A letter sent to Constituency Labour Parties states in relation to retirement seats - such as Hartlepool -: "It is with the greatest regret that local party members will not be able to select parliamentary candidates[/u]." It added; "This process is necessary and it is only due to the exceptional snap General Election circumstances."
Read more at: http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-presses-on-with-plans-to-fight-for-town-s-mp-seat-1-8503682"
That's Democracy Labour style for you, it won't come as a surprise to the LabMob of course, they have been operating on the 'Do as I say.... Not Do as I Do' principle for long enough........Tees Valley Referendum Anyone :) :)
Not sure if it's true in Hartlepool but watching street interviews on TV, UKIP seem to be yesterday's news. Seems to be a straight choice between the usual three conservative, labour and lib-dems
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/poll21042017.png)
Quote from: DRiddle on April 21, 2017, 07: AM
I'm hoping Marjorie has a crack at a seat in Surrey.
I would guess she would "crack" any seat she sat on...........
UKIP have dropped 3% from 10% to 7% in just one week.
I've always thought that a lot of people make a judgement of who is likely to win and then vote for that person/party just to be on the winning side.
Interesting to read those last few post s just now, a message from a friend has confirmed that labour are deffinitely bringing in an outsider.
NO links with the Town at all and not momentum. but then you can see why with the ones who were lined up
Quote from: dowager on April 21, 2017, 11: AM
Interesting to read those last few post s just now, a message from a friend has confirmed that labour are deffinitely bringing in an outsider.
NO links with the Town at all and not momentum. but then you can see why with the ones who were lined up
David Milliband?
Quote from: gerek on April 21, 2017, 11: AM
Quote from: dowager on April 21, 2017, 11: AM
Interesting to read those last few post s just now, a message from a friend has confirmed that labour are deffinitely bringing in an outsider.
NO links with the Town at all and not momentum. but then you can see why with the ones who were lined up
David Milliband?
I doubt he'd leave his well paid job, unless he'd been given a guarantee that he'll be next leader, once Corbyn quits.
https://www.rt.com/uk/385566-foreign-aid-budget-conservatives/ (https://www.rt.com/uk/385566-foreign-aid-budget-conservatives/)
QuoteBritain spends 0.7 percent of GDP, or about £13 billion (US$16.6 billion), on its aid budget every year.
In the past week, the prime minister refused to say whether she would keep that in the Tories' manifesto, with cabinet splits already emerging. On Friday, however, she confirmed the 0.7 percent aid target will remain.
Just listened to her explaining how proud she is to be helping with education overseas building schools etc.
When will this lunacy stop? We build schools overseas and parents are being asked to contribute towards the costs of schools in UK.
We should be spending the money on UK schools and the NHS.
I suspect she has shot herself in the foot with this one. A lot of people have had enough. Charity begins at home.
Quote from: crisstw on April 21, 2017, 02: PM
Quote from: gerek on April 21, 2017, 11: AM
Quote from: dowager on April 21, 2017, 11: AM
Interesting to read those last few post s just now, a message from a friend has confirmed that labour are deffinitely bringing in an outsider.
NO links with the Town at all and not momentum. but then you can see why with the ones who were lined up
David Milliband?
I doubt he'd leave his well paid job, unless he'd been given a guarantee that he'll be next leader, once Corbyn quits.
...that's exactly where I'm coming from - Labour's drop in the polls can be put down to the last 2 leaders - Mr Bean & Citizen Smith - it may be felt that David Milliband may bring some credibility back to both the leadership and then the party. It's OK for the party members voting Corbyn back in but now it's the turn of the electorate.....power to the people
Ah, the trouble with Corbyn. A bit like being the most popular person in your house, the family loves you, especially the youngsters. Trouble is the house is just one house in the street and most of the other residents in the street think you're a bit odd, other worldly.
However, you labour under the misapprehension every house is like your house. It's not. Result, disappointment.
Quote from: akarjl on April 21, 2017, 03: PM
https://www.rt.com/uk/385566-foreign-aid-budget-conservatives/ (https://www.rt.com/uk/385566-foreign-aid-budget-conservatives/)
QuoteBritain spends 0.7 percent of GDP, or about £13 billion (US$16.6 billion), on its aid budget every year.
In the past week, the prime minister refused to say whether she would keep that in the Tories' manifesto, with cabinet splits already emerging. On Friday, however, she confirmed the 0.7 percent aid target will remain.
Just listened to her explaining how proud she is to be helping with education overseas building schools etc.
When will this lunacy stop? We build schools overseas and parents are being asked to contribute towards the costs of schools in UK.
We should be spending the money on UK schools and the NHS.
I suspect she has shot herself in the foot with this one. A lot of people have had enough. Charity begins at home.
Foreign aid budget is the politically correct way of saying we bribe other nations with money so they invest in infrastructure/grant our companies mining rights/provide trade etc... the money goes straight into leaders' pockets, not to the people we're pretending to.aid
Thanks to 'Foreign aid' this country was helped through the post-war food crisis without suffering the same degree of hunger as the bulk of the continent.
A t the end of the day its a value judgement and if you are that tight that you want to spend every last farthing making sure members The Royal Family can have a dozen eggs cooked for breakfast in the hope at least one egg will be good enough for them to eat then so be it.
Looks like the Little Englanders are not averse to a bit of 'Foreign Aid' and tried to hide it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39672956
Quote from: mk1 on April 21, 2017, 10: PM
Thanks to 'Foreign aid' this country was helped through the post-war food crisis without suffering the same degree of hunger as the bulk of the continent.
A t the end of the day its a value judgement and if you are that tight that you want to spend every last farthing making sure members The Royal Family can have a dozen eggs cooked for breakfast in the hope at least one egg will be good enough for them to eat then so be it.
Well said that man. I agree totally
Quote from: mk1 on April 21, 2017, 10: PM
Thanks to 'Foreign aid' this country was helped through the post-war food crisis without suffering the same degree of hunger as the bulk of the continent.
A t the end of the day its a value judgement and if you are that tight that you want to spend every last farthing making sure members The Royal Family can have a dozen eggs cooked for breakfast in the hope at least one egg will be good enough for them to eat then so be it.
Do you mean the Marshall Plan which was a low coast loan ( 2%) eventually paid back? A loan- not a charity handout.
If you want to see what happens to UK overseas aid fly into Luanda and take a look at the new presidential "palace".......the UK government saw sense and stopped aid to Angola in 2011.Then walk 500 meters to the shanty town were the local people live in tin huts....oddly most of which have satellite dishes and they all appear to run around with the latest mobile phones.....
See https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ (https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/)
Why are we giving 186 million a year to India while they busily try to land a man on Mars and test weapons systems?
As usual you are spot on in some respects, this IS a LITTLE
England and we do not have a bottomless pot of money to fund countries that have more than enough money of their own.
If the government MUST give money away give it to charities not tinpot governments or as bribes to secure business.
If your house was falling down, you were homeless or you had to go on social media to beg for money to secure medical treatment for your child because the NHS had not "budgeted" for the cost of treatment, if you you had to wait all weekend in hospital because a consultant was not " available" to approve your discharge would you be donating money overseas?
Or would you want the government to send the money here?
Why did the British government give 12 BILLION away as overseas aid last year?
Unfortunately neither the Conservatives ( not reducing aid) or Labour- (load of flannel about continuing aid) have the balls to say ok enough is enough we May provide some aid but it is on a case by case bases and we not be tied to ) 0.7% of GNI.
It is the elephant in the corner of the room.....nobody has the balls to say lets get our own house in order before saving the world.
Consequently, as some one said on here we are all doomed I say doomed......none of the viable political parties have the guts to make a stand for the people of UK.
At the moment I am torn between a protest vote to make sure labour loose Hartlepool , a wasted vote for one of the fringe/looney parties and writing " ar** paper" across my ballot form.
Quote from: mk1 on April 21, 2017, 10: PM
Thanks to 'Foreign aid' this country was helped through the post-war food crisis without suffering the same degree of hunger as the bulk of the continent.
A t the end of the day its a value judgement and if you are that tight that you want to spend every last farthing making sure members The Royal Family can have a dozen eggs cooked for breakfast in the hope at least one egg will be good enough for them to eat then so be it.
abolish the royal family and the civil list as well
there nothing but bl**dy expensive ornaments
QuoteIf your house was falling down, you were homeless or you had to go on social media to beg for money to secure medical treatment for your child because the NHS had not "budgeted" for the cost of treatment, if you you had to wait all weekend in hospital because a consultant was not " available" to approve your discharge would you be donating money overseas?
Or would you want the government to send the money here?
False comparison.
Any nation that can afford useless aircrafft carriers can afford charity.
Any nation that wastes billions on bankers wages can afford charity.
Any nation that keeps a large dysfunctional family of German immigrants on 10 million quid a week (or so)in a large mansion in London benefits whilst they are one of the richest families in the country can afford charity. Any nation that can pay Farage millions in grants in order to keep his mistress can afford charity etc, etc,etc.
You are not the only one who can pick extremes and then pretend the extremes are the norm. Charity Aid is far down my list of things to cut back on and I don't for a second believe value for money is what drives you. You would still be a moaner because you don't like the idea of helping dark-skinnned people. If we had a surplus of 2 trillion whatevers a year you would still begrudge 50p in the poor box.
Anyone who believes that as soon as charity ends the money will be spent on the NHS, Pensioners or sick puppies is delusional. It will end up where it always does. In Ray Wells back pocket or paying Morton's bookies bill.
Here we go again....
Quote from: mk1 on April 22, 2017, 12: PM
Any nation that can afford useless aircrafft carriers can afford charity. = So you believe we should not defend our own country?
Any nation that wastes billions on bankers wages can afford charity. = Well at least you are consistent - can't resist a little snipe at Farage,UKIP etc.
Any nation that keeps a large dysfunctional family of German immigrants on 10 million quid a week (or so)in a large mansion in London benefits whilst they are one of the richest families in the country can afford charity. = Many believe it is a good investment producing returns.
Any nation that can pay Farage millions in grants in order to keep his mistress can afford charity etc, etc,etc. = I hope payment to anyone connected with the EU stop once we leave
You are not the only one who can pick extremes and then pretend the extremes are the norm. Charity Aid is far down my list of things to cut back on and I don't for a second believe value for money is what drives you.= Again you are consistent, Anyone who doesn't want to be a part of federal europe with open borders handing out cash is a nationalist? As you do not know me you can hardly comment of what "drives me"
You would still be a moaner because you don't like the idea of helping dark-skinnned people. = Ahh here we go, and so it continues lol,I wondered how long, in the absence of a logical argument for continuing to throw billions at countries that do not need it, it would take for the "racism" card to be played.
If we had a surplus of 2 trillion whatevers a year you would still begrudge 50p in the poor box.= Again wrong, I support charities that benefit people in UK. I do not agree with throwing money at countries that do not need it when we have pressing needs here at home.It would seem a lot of Tory back benchers are extremely uncomfortable with Mother Theresa's insistence that we save the world.
Anyone who believes that as soon as charity ends the money will be spent on the NHS, Pensioners or sick puppies is delusional. It will end up where it always does. In Ray Wells back pocket or paying Morton's bookies bill.= Worryingly you associate sick puppies with the NHS and pensioners. Reality is if we do not stop this wastage we will never find out will we?
......you forgot the standard bong eyed looney description reserved for those whose views are not aligned with yours i.e someone who suggests we look after ourselves = thought I would save you trouble hence the post title ;)
Here we go again.
You really are a bong-eyed-loony Akarjl.
You must be, because mk1 says you are! and we all know just what a towering intellect he is and that the whole town must wait in trembling anticipation for his every next utterance so we can all be enthralled at his rapier wit and incisive analysis.
Unfortunately even this above sarcasm route becomes tedious when trying to even imagine, or parody what goes on inside mk1's head.
Your response to his latest diatribe was first class akarjl. Well done and keep it up. But I have to admit that I am increasingly believing that mk is really just a semi-literate troll. But what I can't quite yet work out is exactly on behalf of what cause he is trolling. Any suggestions?
And just to add to your well-reasoned answers to his juvenile post and his puerile comment about 'bankers'. All of us that live on the planet where the sky is blue, know that the banking / insurance industry makes a net positive contribution of + 60 billion a year to the UK balance of payments............but even that falls a bit short of the well reported 97 billion per year that illegal, unwarranted, uninvited, unwanted, economic migrant freeloaders cost us (and that's whatever their skin colour is, and really mk, you should'nt discriminate!)
Quote from: Hubris on April 22, 2017, 09: PM
Your response to his latest diatribe was first class akarjl. Well done and keep it up. But I have to admit that I am increasingly believing that mk is really just a semi-literate troll.
;) Bit harsh. He is entitled to his opinions the same as the everyone.
Quote from: Hubris on April 22, 2017, 09: PM
.but even that falls a bit short of the well reported 97 billion per year that illegal, unwarranted, uninvited, unwanted, economic migrant freeloaders cost us
mumpsimus.
Hi mk1...do you really 'believe' that we / the UK Government, should give / donate money (overseas aid) to ALL the countries that we do? Are some of the countries actually 'richer' that we are? How do we know that the money is actually going to where it is supposed to go? There are reports /rumours that a lot of the money ends up in the coffers of the Governments of these (so called) 'developing' countries! Obviously, no matter which country we discuss, developed or not, there will be corruption at the highest level and misappropriation of funds, including this country! On a lighter note...or darker note ;)...what is it with you and your 'seeming defence' of dark skinned people? Are you 'dark skinned'? No problem from me! I'm dark skinned...from working in the sun all day (except in the winter, obviously!) ;)...and when my customers and others wonder why I'm 'tanned' , I explain that it's from being outside all day! ...................Now....before you hit that keypad with some accusation of me being a Johnny English racist, let me clarify something! My wife is NOT £English...and obviously, my children (yes, I've bred with dark people, uh! :o) are MIXED race (I hate that term!) and NOT WHITE...but 'tanned'....more noticeable when they are stood next to their classmates! My children have inherent traits of both races / countries (some good/ some bad) BUT they are still children / humans at the end of the day...(maybe I should remember this when I'm screaming at them!)
I agree that the rich, developed countries should support the totally poor countries...but there needs to be some better monitoring / control of the money before it reaches the corrupt governments. How long and how much can we continue to send to these so called 'third world' countries?
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on April 23, 2017, 12: AM
How do we know that the money is actually going to where it is supposed to go? There are reports /rumours that a lot of the money ends up in the coffers of the Governments of these (so called) 'developing' countries!
There is waste and corruption everywhere. The thing is where do you draw the line. Do you stop funding 'Cleft Lip' surgery for 1000 kids if 3 officials steal some of the money?
It really is that simple.
Cue lies from Daily mail about 'girl groups'........
Fact: The Daily Mail has been removed from Wiki articles and deemed an unreliable source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/wikipedia-editors-ban-daily-mail-source-citation-unreliable-mail-online-a7570856.html
Mumpsimus!! Cool!
Now it's clearer, you're trolling for the Vatican.
Yeah, I did Latin at school as well, and we did "Quod in ore mumpsimus"
Naf story compared to Mrs Malaprop I think.
Can't you use whatever energies you can call on to try and help defrock the the Queens of Westbrook rather than making up unfounded rubbish about the 13 BILLION (that's BILLION) we ship out to build palaces and put fuel into presidential jets?
Quote from: mk1 on April 23, 2017, 12: AM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on April 23, 2017, 12: AM
How do we know that the money is actually going to where it is supposed to go? There are reports /rumours that a lot of the money ends up in the coffers of the Governments of these (so called) 'developing' countries!
There is waste and corruption everywhere. The thing is where do you draw the line. Do you stop funding 'Cleft Lip' surgery for 1000 kids if 3 officials steal some of the money?
It really is that simple.
Cue lies from Daily mail about 'girl groups'........
Fact: The Daily Mail has been removed from Wiki articles and deemed an unreliable source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/wikipedia-editors-ban-daily-mail-source-citation-unreliable-mail-online-a7570856.html
The point being? The "independent" "always" gives gives unbiased views.
My views on overseas aid are based on the evidence I have witnessed whist working in some of these countries. Have you visited any of them? India? Pakistan? Nigeria? Angola? Ghana?....I don't rely on google searches to form an opinion.
Even if every penny was well spent overseas- and it is not... 1. It is too much ....2. Like it or not charity begins at home.
Slimy Tony today:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39685678 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39685678)
Quote"I look at the British political scene at the moment and I actually almost feel motivated to go right back into it," he added. "We're just allowing ourselves to be hijacked by what is actually quite a small group of people with a strong ideology."
I guess after solving the middle east situation, ensuring world peace and banking 12 million + from offering "advice" he's a bit of loose end.
Joking aside can you imagine His Tonyness standing for Hartlepool and getting raped by the conservatives?
It will never happen I can hear some here muttering ...BUT.....Brexit yes......Trump in....Early General Election.........never say never
Quote from: akarjl on April 23, 2017, 05: PM
It will never happen I can hear some here muttering ...BUT.....Brexit yes......Trump in....Early General Election.........never say never
Just look at today's right-wing rags. They are in overdrive mode talking-up the French Right and Sunday Mail at least predicting her 'win'.
Wonderful to listen to old clips of May telling the SNP now was not the time to force any more elections/votes...........................
QuoteThey are in overdrive mode talking-up the French Right and Sunday Mail at least predicting her 'win'.
I guess you haven't been to France recently? ;)
QuoteWonderful to listen to old clips of May telling the SNP now was not the time for any more elections/votes...........................
Well who WOULD give in to the Trannie Krankeys demands?
Quote from: akarjl on April 23, 2017, 05: AM
The point being?
The paper that best reflects your 'immigrant-obsessed' world-view has been declared a work of (mostly) fiction.
Quote from: akarjl on April 23, 2017, 06: PM
Trannie (sic) Krankeys(sic)
The Krankies are two people and it is a proper name. If you had just made the two words rhyme you would have got the spelling 'rite' but only for one word-the other word is a spelling mistake as well!
Quote from: mk1 on April 23, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: akarjl on April 23, 2017, 05: AM
The point being?
The paper that best reflects your 'immigrant-obsessed' world-view has been declared a work of (mostly) fiction.
Actually I do not have much faith in any of the mainstream media.....my views are based on my experiences travelling the world observing how things are and how other countries attempt to deal with their problems.......again you play the "racism card".....I believe we should be looking after ourselves before we try and fix the rest of the worlds problems....your continued obsession with any form of perceived racism is very odd.
Quote from: mk1 on April 23, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: akarjl on April 23, 2017, 06: PM
Trannie (sic) Krankeys(sic)
The Krankies are two people and it is a proper name. If you had just made the two words rhyme you would have got the spelling 'rite' but only for one word-the other word is a spelling mistake as well!
Please don't tell me you are related to them and are offended? :)
Quote from: mk1 on April 23, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: akarjl on April 23, 2017, 05: PM
It will never happen I can hear some here muttering ...BUT.....Brexit yes......Trump in....Early General Election.........never say never
Just look at today's right-wing rags. They are in overdrive mode talking-up the French Right and Sunday Mail at least predicting her 'win'.
Wonderful to listen to old clips of May telling the SNP now was not the time to force any more elections/votes...........................
Oh dear
http://news.sky.com/story/french-election-emmanuel-macron-win-projected-10848192 (http://news.sky.com/story/french-election-emmanuel-macron-win-projected-10848192)
Hate to say it but.....er......I told you so.
Le Penn through to second phase.
Looks like Britain is not the only country where a large section of the electorate are tired of the antics of the EU and lack of action against religious extremist nutters.
Oddly no mention of skin tone or ocular anomalies :)
I have no idea where you have been for the last year but The far right was always going to be No 2 in the first round. Been predicted for months.
The same predictions are clear that in a 2 horse run-off that the right are going to come second.
Both mainstream parties (who got just under 40% of the vote between them) have told their voters to back the man who said:
"In your name, I will be... the voice of hope for our country and for Europe."
"I want to be the president of the patriots against the threat of nationalists,"
Example:
Round 1. Labour Tories UKIP and Libs get 30-27-15-21% of the vote,
Round 2. Labour-Tories running it is fairly certain Labour will get all the Lib votes.
As I was leafing through The Sunday Mail my eye was caught by this Anti-EU propaganda piece:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-4435620/Euro-facing-knockout-blow-France-heads-polls.html
Just 24 hours later the article is shown to be..........merde!
Why do you bother actually reading the Mail? Everyone knows it is a comic.....try viz.
Not very helpful timing
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15243193.UKIP_chairman_defects_to_Conservatives_weeks_before_election/?ref=rss
Labour nomination is likely to go to Mike Hill (UNISON bloke and Corbynite who stood in Richmond in 2015). Second places go (very closely) to Alan Clarke AND Robbie Payne. I heard the selection committee nodded off while Clarke was speaking otherwise he might have been in with a chance.
All yet to be confirmed.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/mike%20hill.PNG)
https://richmondnoticeboard.com/2015/04/12/what-election-candidate-mike-hill-labour-says-to-constituents/
https://twitter.com/hill_mrh?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
After listening to Corbyn yesterday, it looks like Labour are now nothing more than the political wing of UNITE AND Unison.
I assume Mike whoever he is does not live in the town......time for Hangus to stand!
Quote from: akarjl on April 25, 2017, 12: PM
I assume Mike whoever he is does not live in the town......time for Hangus to stand!
What an utterly ridiculous comment.
Wright lived in the town and was useless. The Belchers live in town and they're a disgrace. If this is our man I'm sure he'll move to the town after he wins.
As long as our MP is good does it matter?
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 01: PM
Quote from: akarjl on April 25, 2017, 12: PM
I assume Mike whoever he is does not live in the town......time for Hangus to stand!
What an utterly ridiculous comment.
Wright lived in the town and was useless. The Belchers live in town and they're a disgrace. If this is our man I'm sure he'll move to the town after he wins.
As long as our MP is good does it matter?
Perfect logic but voters don't follow logic do they.
If a half reputable local was to stand, I might not agree with them being the best candidate but I would still put a fiver on them at the bookies.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 01: PM
Quote from: akarjl on April 25, 2017, 12: PM
I assume Mike whoever he is does not live in the town......time for Hangus to stand!
What an utterly ridiculous comment.
Wright lived in the town and was useless. The Belchers live in town and they're a disgrace. If this is our man I'm sure he'll move to the town after he wins.
As long as our MP is good does it matter?
That's you opinion i don't want some career politician being parachuted in to what is perceived to be a safe seat....which it's not
Shitey was always in it for his own ego and empire building . Fingers crossed one of the belcher bimbos is daft enough to stand.
That would guarantee they loose the seat and if they won could you imagine lying steve gibbering in parliament.
i think if you are going to stand for parliament you should have lived in constituency for at least 6 months. It should be the same with councillors.
We will end up with a few wannabes promising the earth and doing nothing.......voting slip will be used to ensure labour do not get in.
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 11: AM
Labour nomination is likely to go to Mike Hill (UNISON bloke and Corbynite who stood in Richmond in 2015).
Hill is another Carpetbagger looking for a safe seat, anywhere.
I do not think he will find the town that safe anymore.
I agree with Land Phil, anyone local with a bit of gravitas has to have a good chance if they stand.
Corbyn is heading for the wilderness pedal to the metal.
Fantasist Nuttal is following as quickly as he can, judging from his perforemance on the news last night which was simply embarrassing.
May just tells lies and is in pursuit of a future and a society that I think will be most unpleasant unless you are wealthy and it will be goodbye NHS with her and Hunt running it down.
Farron keeps shooting himself in the foot because of his condemnatory (un)christian views.
Jonathan Brash or a spoiled paper "none of the above"
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 11: AM
Labour nomination is likely to go to Mike Hill (UNISON bloke and Corbynite who stood in Richmond in 2015). Second places go (very closely) to Alan Clarke AND Robbie Payne. I heard the selection committee nodded off while Clarke was speaking otherwise he might have been in with a chance.
All yet to be confirmed.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/mike%20hill.PNG)
https://richmondnoticeboard.com/2015/04/12/what-election-candidate-mike-hill-labour-says-to-constituents/
https://twitter.com/hill_mrh?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Here we are then, a possible Corbynista candidate and a ruling group that professes to be solidly behind Corbyn, so, if this Hill bloke wins the seat, we can't expect anything other than the status quo........ Hill won't want to rock the boat with CABS Cartel and it could all end up as 1 big a**e kissing jamboree for the next 5 years. :( :( :(
I fear the worst for town, we are destined to be, like North Korea....... A Failed State.
The faithful always turn out in a General Election. Any council Election held the same day will benefit from the Labour surge.
Put simply the new boy will be in a strong position and this will help the Council candidate greatly.
I think we should step back and look at the long-term picture. Party fortunes wax and wane and they all spend time in the wilderness. Believing we are in some terminal Labour spiral is foolish and the Libs will regain their former position. Both Thatcher and Blair made the mistake of believing their own hype and both became mentally unstable. The lesson is bong-eyed looneys who believe that they and they alone 'know' what is right for everyone else are a real problem. We need more of the Ken Clark type who take a more pragmatic relaxed view of things. Driven zealots foaming about abstract notions of right and wrong should be certified rather than elected. Politicians come and go but politics stays the same.
I'd vote for Mike Hill, he's a decent man.
Quote from: mk1 on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
The faithul always turn out in a General Election. Any council Election held the same day will benefit from the Labour surge.
Put simply the new boy will be in a strong position and this will help the Council candidate greatly.
I think we should step back and look at the long-term picture. Party fortunes wax and wane and they all spend time in the wilderness. Believing we are in some terminal Labour spiral is foolish and the Libs will regain their former position. Both Thatcher and Blair made the mistake of believing their own hype and both became mentally unstable. The lesson is bong-eyed looneys who believe that they and they alone 'know' what is right for everyone else are a real problem. We need more of the Ken Clark type who take a more pragmatic relaxed view of things. Driven zealots foaming about abstract notions of right and wrong should be certified rather than elected. Politicians come and go but politics stays the same.
The General Election on June 8th is a month after the Headland&Harbour by-election/Mayoral election on May 8th.
I'd say that the combined Tory/UKIP vote will easily outstrip the Labour vote this time but I expect Labour to squeeze through.
I wouldn't vote for Hill because if you asked him to condemn the behaviour of the either of the SCABS, Wilcox, Cranney or James he wouldn't - just like Wright never did and just like the rest of the Labour carpetbaggers never have.......and that makes him just another party puppet; not a
decent man.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 01: PM
If this is our man I'm sure he'll move to the town after he wins.
As long as our MP is good does it matter?
He may well be
your man, but he's not our man, we are not a collective of party minions.
Incidentally, would it still matter if our MP was not of the Labour persuasion?
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 11: AM
Labour nomination is likely to go to Mike Hill (UNISON bloke and Corbynite who stood in Richmond in 2015). Second places go (very closely) to Alan Clarke AND Robbie Payne. I heard the selection committee nodded off while Clarke was speaking otherwise he might have been in with a chance.
All yet to be confirmed.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/mike%20hill.PNG)
https://richmondnoticeboard.com/2015/04/12/what-election-candidate-mike-hill-labour-says-to-constituents/
https://twitter.com/hill_mrh?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Pure speculation I'm afraid Steve ;-)
It matters not if he is a decent man, it's the decency of the local labour people he will need to deal with that is the real problem in Hartlepool........ there is one thing for certain, he won't be in any hurry to call for an inquiry into the antics of the local labour mob.
Quote from: Riddler5 on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 01: PM
If this is our man I'm sure he'll move to the town after he wins.
As long as our MP is good does it matter?
He may well be your man, but he's not our man, we are not a collective of party minions.
Incidentally, would it still matter if our MP was not of the Labour persuasion?
Absolutely it would matter. Hartlepool desperately needs a Labour MP and the country needs a Labour government.
Unless you're earning over £80k a year (I doubt it) then you will get clobbered by the Tories.
The Consetvatives are systematically destroying the NHS and social,care. Education is being bolloxed and wages have been stagnant for years.
If you're happy with that lot then you carry on moaning and blathering on here. Some of us see an opportunity for massive change.
Quote from: fred c on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
It matters not if he is a decent man, it's the decency of the local labour people he will need to deal with that is the real problem in Hartlepool........ there is one thing for certain, he won't be in any hurry to call for an inquiry into the antics of the local labour mob.
Change the record Fred.
Pure speculation. You don't know who the Labour candidate will be and you don't know what he will or won't do should he win.
Do you ever play another tune apart from your depressing dirge?
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: fred c on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
It matters not if he is a decent man, it's the decency of the local labour people he will need to deal with that is the real problem in Hartlepool........ there is one thing for certain, he won't be in any hurry to call for an inquiry into the antics of the local labour mob.
Change the record Fred.
Pure speculation. You don't know who the Labour candidate will be and you don't know what he will or won't do should he win.
Do you ever play another tune apart from your depressing dirge?
I always try to leave the personal comments about users of the post out of my opinions...... on the other hand you have had more than a few pops at me...... so, why don't you go and take a running f**k to yourself.
Apologies Fred. I was trying to be helpful. A bit of positivity from you now and again would be lovely.
You don't want a Tory MP or a UKIP one do you?
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 05: PM
You don't want a Tory MP or a UKIP one do you?
Sometimes a body part is so infected that it needs to be amputated.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: Riddler5 on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 01: PM
If this is our man I'm sure he'll move to the town after he wins.
As long as our MP is good does it matter?
He may well be your man, but he's not our man, we are not a collective of party minions.
Incidentally, would it still matter if our MP was not of the Labour persuasion?
Absolutely it would matter. Hartlepool desperately needs a Labour MP and the country needs a Labour government.
Unless you're earning over £80k a year (I doubt it) then you will get clobbered by the Tories.
The Consetvatives are systematically destroying the NHS and social,care. Education is being bolloxed and wages have been stagnant for years.
If you're happy with that lot then you carry on moaning and blathering on here. Some of us see an opportunity for massive change.
Ever the party man. I'd expect nothing else.
We desperately need a Labour MP? The track record would suggest otherwise, we need to be a marginal constituency, not a docile herd.
I avoid political parties like I avoid religion, it stifles thought. But, if you're happy with the dream/ vision, carry on. I like the idea of voting for whoever offers me the best life options of whatever brand, I've voted for them all. But I know they're all the same, Double Glazing salesmen offering Nirvana. Take them for what they are.
QuoteHartlepool desperately needs a Labour MP
In case you haven't noticed, we've had a Labour MP for the past 53 years and a Labour MP AND Labour Government for 24 of them.
The only major change anyone can point to in those 53 years is the development of the Marina which came as the result of a Tory initiative - how ironic is that?
Labour's one achievement has been to embed benefit dependency into the culture of the town in the self-focused believe that people on benefits will always vote Labour.
The very
LAST thing this town needs is another silent, careerist Labour MP who puts party before
wrong and right because nothing will ever improve until Hartlepool becomes a town all of the parties have to fight for to win i.e. a marginal seat.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 04: PM
Some of us see an opportunity for massive change.
As in a labour MP and a labour council you mean?
All Labour want to do is expand the empires of their paymasters Unison and Unite. Why doesn't Steely explain why we're still waiting for the investigation into SAB' lies, that party's reluctance to support those people paid less than the minimum wage by a Labour councillor and still waiting for their compensation?
Let's hear him defend CAB's attempt to blame the Charity Commission for Wilcox's fraud
but no, he'd rather move on, forget all about it and just wants us to vote for more of the same
When a member of a party asks you to vote for their party you never take it seriously, because that's what they do.
Apparently we're going to change things by changing nothing.
There is an element of forget the past, dig a hole, bury it, and we'll walk into sunlit uplands together. Er, no, it doesn't work like that.
Quote from: mk1 on April 25, 2017, 05: PM
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 05: PM
You don't want a Tory MP or a UKIP one do you?
Sometimes a body part is so infected that it needs to be amputated.
So you'd be happy to see a Tory or UKIP MP in Hartlepool?
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 07: PM
So you'd be happy to see a Tory or UKIP MP in Hartlepool?
I would be indifferent because no matter who our MP is the situation will not change. We had Madelson and no one was closer to the levers of power than him and his legacy to the town is the SCABs.
A Labour MP under a Tory Administration can accomplish nothing for the town. Labour MPs under Labour Governments accomplished nothing for the town. You can huff and puff about 'mighta/coulda/will have' all you want but at the end of the day Labour or Tory MP means nothing for the town.
If you want the brutal truth West Hartlepool only came into being to ship coal and when the coal went the town was over-populated v the number of jobs available. Until such time as the town shrinks to match the job-pool then it will always be deprived. The decline stated after WW1 so it has not been solved in the last 100 years.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 07: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 25, 2017, 05: PM
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 25, 2017, 05: PM
You don't want a Tory MP or a UKIP one do you?
Sometimes a body part is so infected that it needs to be amputated.
So you'd be happy to see a Tory or UKIP MP in Hartlepool?
Whoever people vote for will indicate they're happy with their choice.
You appear to be labouring under the misapprehension you have found the shining path to enlightenment, oblivious to others choices and struggling to cope with the fact that others may hold alternative views to yours. A bit like religion.
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 06: PM
QuoteHartlepool desperately needs a Labour MP
In case you haven't noticed, we've had a Labour MP for the past 53 years and a Labour MP AND Labour Government for 24 of them.
The only major change anyone can point to in those 53 years is the development of the Marina which came as the result of a Tory initiative - how ironic is that?
Labour's one achievement has been to embed benefit dependency into the culture of the town in the self-focused believe that people on benefits will always vote Labour.
The very LAST thing this town needs is another silent, careerist Labour MP who puts party before wrong and right because nothing will ever improve until Hartlepool becomes a town all of the parties have to fight for to win i.e. a marginal seat.
Well said Steve,
The very last thing this town needs is a another Labour MP. Even with Mandy as MP, Bliar as PM, and the entire North East was awash with government ministers they did absolutely nowt for the area........ We shouldn't forget that they are directly responsible for the General Hospital fiasco..... That in itself is reason enough for me not to vote for them. I don't care if they parachute in a big name either, I will still vote for whoever I think has the best chance of stopping them. Simple as that.
Another one to throw into the pot. The town has never been so popular. I wonder if Cranney will include these guys in his 'visitors to the town' stats.
http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/paul-brannen-mep
I would vote Tory if i thought they could win Hartlepool but they can't.
UKIP can with some luck so i will vote tactically for them regardless of the candidate.
If they win it will make life difficult for Labour in council.
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
Another one to throw into the pot. The town has never been so popular. I wonder if Cranney will include these guys in his 'visitors to the town' stats.
http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/paul-brannen-mep
Well, I've read his CV and have to ask the question what does he actually do? He looks a bit 'other worldly,' a passenger on the Public sector express who appears to do a lot of pontificating and to cap it all does God. No thanks, sounds like hot air and promises and we have that in gushing abundance in Fawlty Towers.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
I would vote Tory if i thought they could win Hartlepool but they can't.
UKIP can with some luck so i will vote tactically for them regardless of the candidate.
If they win it will make life difficult for Labour in council.
Even Tories won't vote Tory. Class.
Or Labour it would appear.
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
Another one to throw into the pot. The town has never been so popular. I wonder if Cranney will include these guys in his 'visitors to the town' stats.
http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/paul-brannen-mep
This one would get on like a church on fire with the chief exec.
We've had Labour MP's for over fifty years. In that time, if we were to gain any benefit it would surely have been under Mandelsons time as MP as a top minister under Blair. However, was it just a case of a seat so safe you can do the day job in London and the locals won't kick off?
Other than that, nothing much happened down the years, votes in the bag and the locals slavishly compliant, a bit like Pyongyang without the chic. Our reward, a town of diminishing returns where meaningful jobs, facilitities and services are salami sliced away to the stage where the town is becoming a glorified large housing estate. At present we have a Labour MP, a Labour Council and possibly a Labour regional Mayor and stagnation.
We need change just to shatter the the complacency.
Quote from: fred c on April 26, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: steveL on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
Another one to throw into the pot. The town has never been so popular. I wonder if Cranney will include these guys in his 'visitors to the town' stats.
http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/paul-brannen-mep
This one would get on like a church on fire with the chief exec.
The second coming?
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 26, 2017, 06: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
I would vote Tory if i thought they could win Hartlepool but they can't.
UKIP can with some luck so i will vote tactically for them regardless of the candidate.
If they win it will make life difficult for Labour in council.
Even Tories won't vote Tory. Class.
Watching Newsnight last night saying the Tories are expected to pick up 12 seats in Wales, a traditional Labour stronghold - even Labour voters won't vote Labour apparently.
Quote from: steveL on April 26, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 26, 2017, 06: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
I would vote Tory if i thought they could win Hartlepool but they can't.
UKIP can with some luck so i will vote tactically for them regardless of the candidate.
If they win it will make life difficult for Labour in council.
Even Tories won't vote Tory. Class.
Watching Newsnight last night saying the Tories are expected to pick up 12 seats in Wales, a traditional Labour stronghold - even Labour voters won't vote Labour apparently.
In Scotland aren't they also expecting to pick up at least 10 seats from the SNP?
Quote from: steveL on April 26, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 26, 2017, 06: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 25, 2017, 10: PM
I would vote Tory if i thought they could win Hartlepool but they can't.
UKIP can with some luck so i will vote tactically for them regardless of the candidate.
If they win it will make life difficult for Labour in council.
Even Tories won't vote Tory. Class.
Watching Newsnight last night saying the Tories are expected to pick up 12 seats in Wales, a traditional Labour stronghold - even Labour voters won't vote Labour apparently.
You don't seriously believe that Steve? The Tories won't win ANY seats in Wales. Happy to put money on that bet if you fancy ;-)
Well you would say that wouldn't you.
[Watching Newsnight last night saying the Tories are expected to pick up 12 seats in Wales, a traditional Labour stronghold - even Labour voters won't vote Labour apparently.
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You don't seriously believe that Steve? The Tories won't win ANY seats in Wales. Happy to put money on that bet if you fancy ;-)
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Well as the Tories already hold 11 of the 40 seats and there has been a clear upward trend in numbers in those voting for the party since 2010, I think its pretty nailed on that the number will increase. With Corbyn being an electoral liability except amongst his rabid followers and the majority Leave vote pretty much guarntees an increase of more than just one or two.
I'm just going by the polls and on the comments from ex Labour voters that were interviewed on the streets in Wales. Most people don't think too much about these things.......they look at Corbyn; they look at May and that's about it. Better face it mate - beyond the party zealots, Corbyn is regarded as something of an embarrassment.....might be a nice bloke but a leader of the nation he is not.
He reminds me of the group of lefties running the Students Union at UNI who were forever predicting that the revolution was just around the corner.
Labour have made the mistake of believing that the thoughts of their most active and vocal party members are a true reflection of the thoughts of the millions of people who would normally vote for them.
Did you know that one of the weekend polls showed more people trusted May with the NHS than they did Corbyn?....that's how f**c*** up Labour is at the moment.
Looks like someone is getting ready to throw his toys out of the pram . . . anyone know where Hartelpool is? . . . is it anywhere near Bishop Auckland?
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/dave%20hunter%20tweet.png)
I was always taught never to end a sentence with a preposition. ::)
Man who votes as directed by the SCABs Cranney, etc. says what about honesty and integrity ?
He obviously doesn't understand what credibility is.
Quote from: Land Phil on April 26, 2017, 02: PM
Man who votes as directed by the SCABs Cranney, etc. says what about honesty and integrity ?
He obviously doesn't understand what credibility is.
What are the attributes required of an MP by this partuicular councillor....... I only ask because it is patently obvious that he must be at ease with the qualities of his fellow labour councillor S Akers Belcher.
The fact he told a shed load of Porkies to his employer and a tribunal judge doesn't appear to have affected his integrity...... it it had..... he would have called for an inquiry into Lying Ste's behaviour.
Funny thing this Integrity and Honesty malarkey......int it.
Tories are ahead in the Hartlepool, i might have to switch allegiance ;D
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 27, 2017, 02: AM
Tories are ahead in the Hartlepool, i might have to switch allegiance ;D
Bollocks.
According to who?
How can this possibly carry any weight when we have no idea who the candidates are?
If the UKIP vote collapses in Hartlepool and they switch to the Tories then Labour are in deep trouble in the town.
Quote from: Steely Dan on April 27, 2017, 07: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 27, 2017, 02: AM
Tories are ahead in the Hartlepool, i might have to switch allegiance ;D
Bollocks.
According to who?
How can this possibly carry any weight when we have no idea who the candidates are?
The candidates are an irrelevance. Though there are some who could lose it for Laboiur in an instant if unleashed, but as a party member you'd feel duty bound to endorse it I'm sure.
The leader will lose it for Labour, like Michael Foot did.
I would imagine no matter who is up for labour because of their "leader" they have no chance.
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk
Latest Polll puts UKIP down to 4%
CWistophers Twatter feed is active.....no mention of carpets or letters to santa though....
https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en (https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en)
Quote from: akarjl on May 03, 2017, 06: PM
CWistophers Twatter feed is active.....no mention of carpets or letters to santa though....
https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en (https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en)
ooo you are privileged . . . most of us get a '
you are blocked' message.
Quote from: steveL on May 03, 2017, 07: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 03, 2017, 06: PM
CWistophers Twatter feed is active.....no mention of carpets or letters to santa though....
https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en (https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en)
ooo you are privileged . . . most of us get a 'you are blocked' message.
Stroke of luck then :D
Quote from: akarjl on May 03, 2017, 06: PM
CWistophers Twatter feed is active.....no mention of carpets or letters to santa though....
https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en (https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en)
All of CAB's Twatter bolloKKs is just that...UTTER BOLL)KcS.....including Sue Jeffries input. Totally smacks of desperation to me...but that's just my opinion! Yes, Teresa May may not be 'Mother Teresa'...but do the people actually want her giving away zillions to totally unpopular/ undeserving benefactors..(please add your own name/ group/ nation/ religion!). Seems to me that Labour would continue with this International Aid madness. The only thing that matters to me on voting day is to get rid of as many Labour councillors...and a certain Tory or two... in order to give this wonderful town and its wonderful people, a new start! Yeh, we have our problems...too many to list....but most people are keen to get on with their lives, with the hope of a better future for themselves and their children, basically, based on their vote for the town's next MP. As the Mastercard ad goes.....watching CAB's face as he realises he's lost his seat........PRICELESS! As Wolfy Smith said....POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on May 03, 2017, 10: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 03, 2017, 06: PM
CWistophers Twatter feed is active.....no mention of carpets or letters to santa though....
https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en (https://twitter.com/akersbelcher?lang=en)
All of CAB's Twatter bolloKKs is just that...UTTER BOLL)KcS.....including Sue Jeffries input. Totally smacks of desperation to me...but that's just my opinion! Yes, Teresa May may not be 'Mother Teresa'...but do the people actually want her giving away zillions to totally unpopular/ undeserving benefactors..(please add your own name/ group/ nation/ religion!). Seems to me that Labour would continue with this International Aid madness. The only thing that matters to me on voting day is to get rid of as many Labour councillors...and a certain Tory or two... in order to give this wonderful town and its wonderful people, a new start! Yeh, we have our problems...too many to list....but most people are keen to get on with their lives, with the hope of a better future for themselves and their children, basically, based on their vote for the town's next MP. As the Mastercard ad goes.....watching CAB's face as he realises he's lost his seat........PRICELESS! As Wolfy Smith said....POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Hoorah!...re twitter feed I am not even on Twatter...a google search for C .....A..-Belch...brought up a link to the feed.....he's also on Linkedin.....
Just off down to polling station to deface my ballot form re TEES valley major......
...mayor even
Quote from: steveL on April 28, 2017, 12: PM
Latest Polll puts UKIP down to 4%
They won't exist after the next election. Their members can go back to BNP, NF and whatever other sewer they came from.
Probably. Plus some others on life support.
Talking of sewers and political parties.... Look no further than HCLP and the ruling group
But where can they go when their extended party ends, who'd have them?
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 04, 2017, 07: AM
But where can they go when their extended party ends, who'd have them?
PHF? Didn't they previously attempt some sort of deal with the Kippers?
Labour of course.
Fame at last . .
Just finished doing a video interview with the Sunday Times. Nice to know that The Post's fame has spread far and wide; nicer still to learn that the guy knew all about Wilcox and HBC's reputation.
Any idea when it will be published Steve?
Quote from: steveL on May 04, 2017, 02: PM
Fame at last . .
Just finished doing a video interview with the Sunday Times. Nice to know that The Post's fame has spread far and wide; nicer still to learn that the guy knew all about Wilcox and HBC's reputation.
HOW JOLLY DARE YOU.......... Even Cwistopher and Steven haven't been interviewed by the Sunday Times and they are Legends........ admittedly only in their own minds, but being a delusional legend is better that not being a legend at all.
Quote from: Shepherd on May 04, 2017, 03: PM
Any idea when it will be published Steve?
Sunday but given that it was a video interview I'm assuming it's an on-line thing and I'm sure Murdoch charges for access.
Sat in Croft Gardens in the sunshine - the guy was very taken with the place aka
'I had no idea Hartlepool was like this?''
Quote from: fred c on May 04, 2017, 03: PM
Even Cwistopher and Steven haven't been interviewed by the Sunday Times and they are Legends........
They had their chance over the Mandelson expenses claim for his gardening.
The nationals were all over the story and I think it was the Sunday Mail that did the best in-depth coverage. The short version is Mandelson claimed for bogus gardening work and the money went to SAB. When the Mail reporter doorstepped SAB I believe his reply was
'How did you find out about it' followed swiftly by the sound of a front door being slammed.
You may have forgotten this as well
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034489/Mayor-sacked-funeral-fib-Shameless-Hartlepool-council-leader-given-compassionate-leave-visited-warship-instead.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/08/peter-mandelson-expenses-hartlepool-home
Quote from: fred c on May 04, 2017, 03: PM
Quote from: steveL on May 04, 2017, 02: PM
Fame at last . .
Just finished doing a video interview with the Sunday Times. Nice to know that The Post's fame has spread far and wide; nicer still to learn that the guy knew all about Wilcox and HBC's reputation.
HOW JOLLY DARE YOU.......... Even Cwistopher and Steven haven't been interviewed by the Sunday Times and they are Legends........ admittedly only in their own minds, but being a delusional legend is better that not being a legend at all.
The Dumpling twins could best be described as being world famous in Hartlepool.
Sat in a nice place in down-town Budapest, enjoying a good beer and local food. At the same time I'm catching up on 'The Post'
Thanks to MK1's reminder of the SCAB sacking saga, I took a look at some of the comments posted in the Mail (even though now 2 yrs old! And still ZERO investigation ....what say you Mr Devlin?!!)
When I read the one about ....'is that his real hair, or has a rodent died on his head?' I broke into a large grin. But when I saw it was actually from a guy in Thailand...I laughed so much my Hungarian host got a lump of Goulash on his tie. Almost surreal to see that the scabby tw**s infamy had spread so far.
Coming from Hartlepool, and proud of it - over the years it's been bad enough to try and keep calm and putting up with the endless 'Monkey Hanger' jibes I have had in :- US, Far East, France...etc. But now I have questions like 'Oh, you're from Hartlepool...isn't that where His Emminence The Lord of Foy had his bijou garden titivated by Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men for a mere £3000? A bargain. And rodent syrup for free.
Had the chance today to visit the fence Hungary constructed in 2015.
Quite impressive.
It's 109 miles long, 13 ft high, topped with concertina razor wire. It's intention was to stem the waves of economic migrants that chose to invade the land of 'milk and honey' called Europe (as once they get into Europe.....they can choose any country to sneak into)
The effectiveness of the fence was :-
Numbers crossing from Serbia to Hungary :-
- Sept -138,000.
- October - 99,500.
(then the fence was put in)
- November 315
80% of those trying to get in aren't families escaping from war-torn Syria, they are young male chancers from Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, Gambia ....et al.
So mki, I ask you if you think PM Orban's strategy to try and protect us from this life-changing tsunami is a good one (as do 82% of Hungarian voters) or are they all just more 'bong-eyed loonies'?
The upcoming UK election is as much about Brexit and giving U.K. a chance to control its own borders as it is about the terms of Article 50, the economy, or even Abbott's extra policemen at £7.50 per year.
Vote for the Hartlepool candidate that supports Brexit......which ever party! And if they can make a convincing argument that they will also work on cleaning out the cess-pit called HBC, so much the better.
I have been reading up on May. She is not what she pretends top be. By all accounts she is vindictive and controlling. She has sidelined everyone who ever stood up to her in the past and has made no secret that she wants to either repeal The Freedom Of Information Act or so curtail it to render it innefective. There was an incident this week where not wishing to repeat the humiliation of no one opening the door or wanting to speak to her when canvasing her minders placed all reporters in a room and locked them in until she had departed!
I also think it ridiculous that anyone her age (male or female) start dressing 30 years younger than they should. Next she will be doing a Carol Vorderman wearing ever more straining dresses and running off with one of the crowd of youngsters that follow her around the country and doughnut her for the cameras.
Those of you who are one-issue obsessives better be careful. That which you think will cure you might instead kill you.
Quote from: Hubris on May 04, 2017, 09: PM
So mki, I ask you if you think PM Orban's strategy to try and protect us from this life-changing tsunami is a good one (as do 82% of Hungarian voters) or are they all just more 'bong-eyed loonies'?
Watch out for the coming storm. The ordinary decent bloke who is going to trash the bong-eyed looney challenger and win the French Election has said he will no longer do the UK's dirty work and keep our share of the 'tsunami' on French soil.
I like how May's tactic of holding EU citizens in limbo to force concessions is working out. The EU has made their status the first issue that has to be settled
before they even talk about anything else.
We certainly got them cowed!
As for politics you make me laugh. You believe this is the start of a new dawn where you and your ilk can permanently keep the opposition out of office. I have lived through many an election and everything is cyclic. 'You' have your turn to rule ' You' wreck the country and after X number of years you get voted out and the other side rule. They in turn wreck the country and are kicked out and 'you' get your turn again. That is how it always works.
Think back to when Obama was elected. It was seen as a groundbreaking election. A sign that America had turned her back on her divisive racial past. Fast forward 10 years and an absolute m**r*n with the most divisive agenda ever gets elected.
I liken it to the way Football supporters profess their undying loyalty to a new manager only to turn on him when results don't improve. You kick him out, fall at the feet of the new man and then again turn on him when he does not deliver.
Relax, enjoy the ride and be prepared for the tears when your dreams are unrealised-because they always are.
Quote from: Hubris on May 04, 2017, 09: PM
PM Orban's strategy to try and protect us from this life-changing tsunami is a good one (as do 82% of Hungarian voters) or are they all just more 'bong-eyed loonies'?
Orban is a bong-eyed looney. An authoritarian far-right fruitcake. Hungary has passed a Law that is aimed at removing all opposition to the Government. They are attacking a University they believe to be 'liberal'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/george-soros-central-european-university-hungary-law-protests-foreign-institutions-parliament-a7667451.html
The EU has sent warnings to the Government and no too far in the future Hungary will have to decide if it wants EU funding or can finance itself.
Quote from: mk1 on May 04, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: fred c on May 04, 2017, 03: PM
Even Cwistopher and Steven haven't been interviewed by the Sunday Times and they are Legends........
They had their chance over the Mandelson expenses claim for his gardening.
The nationals were all over the story and I think it was the Sunday Mail that did the best in-depth coverage. The short version is Mandelson claimed for bogus gardening work and the money went to SAB. When the Mail reporter doorstepped SAB I believe his reply was 'How did you find out about it' followed swiftly by the sound of a front door being slammed.
You may have forgotten this as well
Having been in a location that overlooked 'Mandy's' garden I can say that any gardeners must have been invisible !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034489/Mayor-sacked-funeral-fib-Shameless-Hartlepool-council-leader-given-compassionate-leave-visited-warship-instead.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/08/peter-mandelson-expenses-hartlepool-home
'They had their chance over the Mandelson expenses claim for his gardening.
The nationals were all over the story and I think it was the Sunday Mail that did the best in-depth coverage. The short version is Mandelson claimed for bogus gardening work and the money went to SAB. When the Mail reporter doorstepped SAB I believe his reply was 'How did you find out about it' followed swiftly by the sound of a front door being slammed.'
Why did Mandelson give the money to SAB? What was the actual relationship between Mandelson and the SCABs? Do the SCABs actually know the difference between mushy peas and guacamole?
Looks like the UKIP vote is tanking everywhere. SCABs will be pleased this morning.
Quote from: mk1 on May 04, 2017, 10: PM
Orban is a bong-eyed looney.
Just to be clear....
We are not related ;).
Looks like a 20 year old Tory kid has just taken a council seat in the east end of Glasgow. Be afraid Labour, be very afraid.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/04/council-local-general-election-mayoral-results-england-scotland-wales
Quote from: mk1 on May 04, 2017, 09: PM
I have been reading up on May. She is not what she pretends top be. By all accounts she is vindictive and controlling. She has sidelined everyone who ever stood up to her in the past and has made no secret that she wants to either repeal The Freedom Of Information Act or so curtail it to render it innefective. There was an incident this week where not wishing to repeat the humiliation of no one opening the door or wanting to speak to her when canvasing her minders placed all reporters in a room and locked them in until she had departed!
I also think it ridiculous that anyone her age (male or female) start dressing 30 years younger than they should. Next she will be doing a Carol Vorderman wearing ever more straining dresses and running off with one of the crowd of youngsters that follow her around the country and doughnut her for the cameras.
Those of you who are one-issue obsessives better be careful. That which you think will cure you might instead kill you.
so much blinkered bullsh*t in one post.
Quote from: ReturntoZenda on May 05, 2017, 01: PM
so much blinkered bullsh*t in one post.
I bet you were one of those who welcomed Coxall's arrival at Pools. Bet you felt the same way about Dave Smith as well..................
honestly do we really give a s**t about pool?
Quote from: akarjl on May 05, 2017, 03: PM
honestly do we really give a s**t about pool?
Obviously the introduction of a metaphor has banjaxed you.
Everything about Hartlepool seems to banjax Akarjl .He/she was out of the loop regards Angie Wilcox, probably the biggest success of this site.He/she thought a pink paper was an homophobic reference.He sounds like the person who recently posted on another Hartlepool site blaming Labour for closing St Hildas Hospital and Camerons maternity unit.No doubt after the GE when UKIP are no more he/she will disappear back into whichever hole he/she crawled out from.
Quote from: akarjl on May 05, 2017, 03: PM
honestly do we really give a s**t about pool?
It would appear you don't. Don't like football then?
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 05, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 05, 2017, 03: PM
honestly do we really give a s**t about pool?
It would appear you don't. Don't like football then?
pools do not play football lol
Quote from: pensionater on May 05, 2017, 04: PM
Everything about Hartlepool seems to banjax Akarjl .
He/she was out of the loop regards Angie Wilcox, probably the biggest success of this site.
He/she thought a pink paper was an homophobic reference.
He sounds like the person who recently posted on another Hartlepool site blaming Labour for closing St Hildas Hospital and Camerons maternity unit.
No doubt after the GE when UKIP are no more he/she will disappear back into whichever hole he/she crawled out from.
Sorry I haven't given 100% of my time to this site I spend a lot of my time travelling and working.....
Fully aware of history and usage of "pink paper"
Other sites? Are there any others worth reading?
Couldn't care less about UKIP- I want scabs n co held accountable.
Seems to be a while since you posted.....care in the community?
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Quote from: Riddler5 on May 05, 2017, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 05, 2017, 03: PM
honestly do we really give a s**t about pool?
It would appear you don't. Don't like football then?
pools do not play football lol
You should have said you're a Premier League 'supporter'.
Oi! My Auntie goes to Pools religiously and she's nearly 80. She'll be gutted if they go down.
I suspect Akarji watches his team on the telly.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 05, 2017, 06: PM
I suspect Akarji watches his team on the telly.
lol you got me. Actually I prefer boxing or Rugby. Can't see point of kicking a ball away then running after it...oddly a lot like local politics ?
Quote from: steveL on May 05, 2017, 06: PM
Oi! My Auntie goes to Pools religiously and she'll be gutted if they go down.
I think it fairly certain they go down. If they win on Sat. and others lose then it is possible they stay up but then the upcoming financial storm kicks in. Coxall has racked up debts of over £1 million and has mortgaged ever single item that belongs to Pools.He does not have the cash to service this debt and needs outside money. Given his record no one will lend any money to Pools. Pam, the new saviour of Pools holds most of the debt. If no money is found Pools will go bust and hit with a points deduction which will also mean they drop down 2-3 leagues not one. The losses will be huge and Pam personally very badly hit. She has to pretend she is a 'worried fan' because she is hoping the Pools supporters will buy next years season tickets and/or contribute to the Club. Without outside help she is in a big hole.
It remains to be seen if the Pools supporters are that desperate to stay in being that they are willing to contribute over £1 million up-front to buy out Coxall and secure against receivership or to take the hit, go bust, drop to an obscure League and spend the next 10 years working to get back into proper football. As they have a base of roughly 3000 fans that means each will have to stump up £400, There are people that crazy..........
In football, everyone comes then eventually goes, it's the fans I feel sorry for.
The so called ex chairman wants a pay off? What for ? What did he put in money wise?
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 05, 2017, 06: PM
In football, everyone comes then eventually goes, it's the fans I feel sorry for.
The so called ex chairman wants a pay off? What for ? What did he put in money wise?
Coxall has not put a penny into the club and got it for free. Under him a vast amount of 'cash' has been spent with nothing added to the balance sheet by way of assets. In short the Club has been looted and now the looter wants another pay-off or he will destroy the club. He is hoping the fans will pay a price to keep the club from extinction. I believe blackmail is the dictionary term for his tactic.
Incidentally a Mail reporter has been Coxall's lap-dog/apologist during all this. He has published articles which slandered those who dared suggest Coxall destroying Pools and his coverage of the matches has been excruciatingly sycophantic towards Coxall.
I can't bring myself to give you a brownie point but you are bang on the money about the local journo. spineless lap dog now regurgitating other people's wisdom about the former chairman. nauseating.
Quote from: ReturntoZenda on May 05, 2017, 07: PM
I can't bring myself to give you a brownie point but you are bang on the money about the local journo. spineless lap dog now regurgitating other people's wisdom about the former chairman. nauseating.
Do not upset yourself dear boy. I pay no more attention to those who mark me down than to those who promote me. I am entirely impervious to both criticism and praise!
The Mail is doing its best to spin the story by promoting all the Labour 'advantages' whilst burying the winner in the small print
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-fails-to-back-tees-valley-mayoral-election-as-less-than-one-in-five-vote-1-8529914
Quote from: ReturntoZenda on May 05, 2017, 07: PM
I can't bring myself to give you a brownie point but you are bang on the money about the local journo. spineless lap dog now regurgitating other people's wisdom about the former chairman. nauseating.
I always thought journalists were there to report events to their readership and inform them of any developments. I did not think they were there to act as glorified PR consultants to those they should be questioning and not to give their selective interpretation of events.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 05, 2017, 08: PM
I always thought journalists were there to report events to their readership and inform them of any developments. I did not think they were there to act as glorified PR consultants to those they should be questioning and not to give their selective interpretation of events.
I believe he will have been acting on orders from Joy. She is well know for her tactic of sucking up to anyone she believes will sponsor one of those endless fake Mail 'Best of' competitions.
She smarms and flatters in a manner that puts Uriah Heep in the shade.
I know I shouldn't say this but I always think of Joy when that cat-fight at the UKIP Coral comes up. Old woman with bleached hair and tons of make-up. Tight skirt half-way up her ar*se and berating onlookers. Got Joy down to a tee!
He doesn't work for Joy
You beat me to it. The Mail has stuck to the sport element and appears to have kept well clear of getting too close to the clubs upper echelons.
With the demise of UKIP, the question now is where those 11,000 votes the party totted up in 2015 are going to go? More to the point, how many are likely to go to Jeremy Corbyn? If yesterday's locals are any guide then it looks like the great proportion of them are going to go Tory and in Hartlepool, only half of those votes need to go to the Tories to put an end to Labour's 53 year tenure.
But it's worse than that for Labour.
- Also to be factored in is 'The Corbyn Effect'; not all of those 2015 Labour votes can be guaranteed to be solid. Some of those 14,076 Labour votes belong to people who will be unimpressed by the Islington Philosopher.
- Lastly, having an atmosphere where change is in the air can only encourage more people to make the switch and yesterday's shock result that saw a Tory elected as the new Tees Valley Mayor has done that in buckets
If Labour aren't worried, they surely need to be.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/hartlepool%202015%20ge%20election%20result.png)
Quote from: steveL on May 06, 2017, 09: AM
With the demise of UKIP the question now is where are those 11,000 votes the party totted up in 2015 going to go? More to the point, how many are likely to go to Jeremy Corbyn? If yesterday's locals any guide then it looks like the great proportion of them are going to go Tory and in Hartlepool, only half of those votes need to go to the Tories to put an end to Labour's 53 year tenure.
If Labour aren't worried, they need to be.
(https://s30.postimg.org/mzbv4t3al/Hartlepool_2015_GE_Ellection_Result.png) (https://postimg.org/image/mzbv4t3al/)
Hartlepool is pro-BRexit - UKIP has been discredited - Labour are pontificating - Tories are pro-BRexit.......I think a Tory victory is on the cards
https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahalothman/ukip-is-completely-imploding-in-its-top-northern-target-seat?utm_term=.alwrjM476#.mqe49A7G5
Interesting that springer thing was buried but now as an election looms it's in the national media. Looks like the gloves are off.
Quote from: DRiddle on May 06, 2017, 10: AM
https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahalothman/ukip-is-completely-imploding-in-its-top-northern-target-seat?utm_term=.alwrjM476#.mqe49A7G5
Isn't it a pity that the buzzfeed reported hasn't carried out a similar investigation into our Labour group
roll on Thursday May 11 which is the final day for nominations for the General Election
I cannot wait to see who the other Parties are putting into the fray
If it is Broughton for UKIP I can see his votes disappearing
anyone for Dim Tim Farron's Limp Dumbs is a waste of a deposit as will any Independent wishing to stand
this leaves the Conservatives with the best chance of a change to the Town so hopefully a decent target Candidate will be produced
If... the Tories nominate a decent candidate..... and....... If........he gets full support from Central Office, with the odd cabinet minister turning and a possible visit by Tressa..... they could win the seat..
On the other hand...... even if they field a decent candidate.........but they leave the support and canvasing to the Local Tory Branch........ they are on to Plums................ the local tory mob have in more ways than 1 and on more than 1 occasion, been more of a helping hand to the Labour candidate than the tory candidate.
Wells is irrelevant. General elections are decided on Television and in the Papers
Anyone watch the North East bit of Sunday Politics today? A severe case of sour grapes being displayed by Labour over the Tees Valley Mayor - very tetchy indeed. There'll be a few more sphincters twitching when they read the new front page.
Certainly interesting times.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk
Quote from: steveL on May 07, 2017, 03: PM
Anyone watch the North East bit of Sunday Politics today? A severe case of sour grapes being displayed by Labour over the Tees Valley Mayor - very tetchy indeed. There'll be a few more sphincters twitching when they read the new front page.
Certainly interesting times.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk
Yes I watched it - I got the impression from Andy McDonald that the fine leaders of the councils will be scuttling Ben Houchen and replacing him in 3 years time - that as in response to - will you be supporting the new mayor? I think the way it plays out is if they don't oust him we may find ourselves having a referendum - deja vu
I am looking forward to the upcoming annoucement:
'Hartlepool is a listening Council and following extensive Public Consultation we are aware of grave misgivings about the Mayoral System. We have formed a committee which will look in to how we can address these issues and an in-depth review will formulate how we go can forward.
All options are on the table and the will of the public is always our priority. If we discover the majority are against a Mayor we will not hesitate to hold a referendum to see if we continue to participate. As always we are a listening Council and have complete faith in the decision of our electorate'
I give it 6 months before that message starts being promoted.
Or more frankly, This is not on! We were supposed to win this. If we'd known this was going to be the outcome we wouldn't have bothered. Anyway, if we can't have it, no one is. We're gonna sulk.
As once said, they're the sort of people who'd cut down a tree and stand on the stump to give us a lecture on tree preservation.
Just out of interest, the failed Labour candidate mentioned ambassadors for the Tees Valley . Who would they have been and would they have been travelling the widely at ratepayers expense?
Talk about bitter I got the distinct impression Andy McDonald suckled on Lemons not T**s....I would put a tenner on it, the LabMob's will be having a meeting before the end of next week to fathom out how they can derail the Teeside Mayor.......what's the collective noun for a bunch of conniving a**eholes ?
Quote from: fred c on May 07, 2017, 05: PM
Talk about bitter I got the distinct impression Andy McDonald suckled on Lemons not T**s....I would put a tenner on it, the LabMob's will be having a meeting before the end of next week to fathom out how they can derail the Teeside Mayor.......what's the collective noun for a bunch of conniving a**eholes ?
.......a council
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 07, 2017, 04: PM
Or more frankly, This is not on! We were supposed to win this. If we'd known this was going to be the outcome we wouldn't have bothered. Anyway, if we can't have it, no one is. We're gonna sulk.
As once said, they're the sort of people who'd cut down a tree and stand on the stump to give us a lecture on tree preservation.
Just out of interest, the failed Labour candidate mentioned ambassadors for the Tees Valley . Who would they have been and would they have been travelling the widely at ratepayers expense?
That reminds me of knocking down all the community facilities in Seaton Carew and naming a street of houses after the council's biggest advocate of said facilities.
They are a total joke.
Quote from: steveL on May 07, 2017, 03: PM
Anyone watch the North East bit of Sunday Politics today? A severe case of sour grapes being displayed by Labour over the Tees Valley Mayor - very tetchy indeed. There'll be a few more sphincters twitching when they read the new front page.
Certainly interesting times.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk
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Citizen Corbyn must be bricking it...
QuoteThe local elections saw two-thirds (67%) of former UKIP voters nationally switching to the Tories. In Hartlepool, just over half of UKIP voters (52%) would need to switch to the Tories for the Conservatives to take the seat.
In the absence of a viable alternative I would suspect the Ukip mob will swing to the tories, rightly or wrongly, as a protest against Scabinism and to make sure we leave Europe. HBC have done a great job of destroying the labour party in Hartlepool.
Cant see any labour big guns with half a brain taking a punt at Hartlepool and risking being publicly raped as the candidate who lost a "safe" labour seat. Interesting times.
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Quote from: steveL on May 07, 2017, 03: PM
Anyone watch the North East bit of Sunday Politics today? A severe case of sour grapes being displayed by Labour over the Tees Valley Mayor - very tetchy indeed. There'll be a few more sphincters twitching when they read the new front page.
Certainly interesting times.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk
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Citizen Corbyn must be bricking it...
QuoteThe local elections saw two-thirds (67%) of former UKIP voters nationally switching to the Tories. In Hartlepool, just over half of UKIP voters (52%) would need to switch to the Tories for the Conservatives to take the seat.
In the absence of a viable alternative I would suspect the Ukip mob will swing to the tories, rightly or wrongly, as a protest against Scabinism and to make sure we leave Europe. HBC have done a great job of destroying the labour party in Hartlepool.
Cant see any labour big guns with half a brain taking a punt at Hartlepool and risking being publicly raped as the candidate who lost a "safe" labour seat. Interesting times.
It will be interesting to see who stands for UKIP - supposed to be announced tomorrow
Unless it Nigella can't see it making any difference.........labour/ukip.....Hartlepool is done for. I would vote for an independent if the candidate appeared to have some balls and would start utilising his position to draw external attention to Cwissie n Co, but the reality is it won't happen so there is no real alternative is there?
Its Broughton again. The big-hitters who were fighting for the seat have seen which way the wind is blowing and ran for the hills.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/richard%20moss%20comment.png)
Looks like the squabbling UKIPPERS have been rumbled. 12 days after choosing Broughton as their candidate, they finally get the nod to go public. I gather continuous squabbling amongst the members is the reason; that together with being told to wait until after the locals to see if it was worth parachuting a big-wig in from Head Office. As it turns out, no one from down South fancied their chances after they lost all 143 seats they were defending on Thursday and so it's back to the fall-guy to take the hit.
The word in Twitterland is that even Nuttall is now regretting standing in Boston and Skegness fearing he's soon to start emulating Nigel in failed attempts.
Taken from Newcastle's Evening Chronicle
"Take Hartlepool, for example. Labour won this seat in 2015 with 14,076 votes, with UKIP second on 11,052 and the Tories third on 8,256.
If those UKIP voters were to vote Conservative (or to vote for Theresa May, as they might see it) then Labour would be toast.
And that would be an earthquake. Consider that in 2001, Labour candidate Peter Mandelson held the seat with 22,506 votes, almost three times the number of votes won by the Tories, who came second with 7.935"
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/collapse-ukip-could-lead-conservative-12993029
In actual fact, only half of former UKIP voters in Hartlepool need to switch to the Tories for Labour 'to be toast'
The other thing worth mentioning is that 22,506 votes given to Mandelson compared with the 14,076 Wrighty managed in 2015 while the Tory core vote held solid at around 8,000 in both elections. In other words, more than two-thirds of the UKIP vote came from Labour and around 3,000 from those that didn't usually bother to vote - the salient point being they that didn't come from the Tories.
Given the collapse of UKIP nationally, which even those who forlornly voted UKIP in last Thursday's Headland and Harbour by-election will have absorbed by now, consider how many of those wandering, former UKIP voters will be willing to vote for the Islington Philosopher, Jeremy Corbyn
Interesting that as the candidates have been revealed on the Mail website, you're only allowed to comment on the Lib-Dem story
I think it must be a good omen SteveL
I agree Andy, think positive :)
"I think we have a great chance of winning the seat this time and I have an amazing team working with me," said Mr Broughton, who is a supermarket checkout assistant in Hartlepool and owns a property there."
This is not good. Mr Broughton needs to be challenged on both counts. As I understand it, he rented a flat at Navigation Point during the last election but gave it up soon afterwards. I'm told he lives in Ingleby Barwick.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/former-wrestler-veteran-councillor-join-13007817
https://youtu.be/FSXBdKKhDPk (https://youtu.be/FSXBdKKhDPk)
Tory lead in Hartlepool has risen to a predicted 3.3% after the local elections last week and the collapse of the UKIP vote.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/predicted%20votes.png)
Quote from: steveL on May 10, 2017, 10: AM
Tory lead in Hartlepool has risen to a predicted 3.3% after the local elections last week and the collapse of the UKIP vote.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/predicted%20votes.png)
Who would have thought it? Strange times indeed but if the poll proves correct, I am absolutely certain it will mark the end of Christopher and his little cohort and he will be forever known as the man who lost Hartlepool for Labour.
It would be funny wouldn't it, to see Corbyn's local half wits with egg on their faces :D
I should be voting JC but I just can't bring myself to do so in Hartlepool.
The best I can do is a spoilt vote, at worst a protest vote against Labour.
It is a hopeless situation in my eyes and I blame Iain Wright and the council SCAB-tel for it 100%
We have some darkness ahead no matter what happens.
I have to be honest, I would sooner sever my 'member' than vote Tory, but I really have had enough of the what passes for Labour in Hartlepool and what they have done to the town.... so like an awful lot of people I am putting National political issues on the back burner on June 8th.........besides..... I don't use it much nowadays :D :D :D
Lol Fred, theres enough knobs in this town anyways. Tory for me too :)
Quote from: fred c on May 10, 2017, 07: PM
I have to be honest, I would sooner sever my 'member' than vote Tory, but I really have had enough of the what passes for Labour in Hartlepool and what they have done to the town.... so like an awful lot of people I am putting National political issues on the back burner on June 8th.........besides..... I don't use it much nowadays :D :D :D
too much info . . :-\
I've never voted Tory in my life but I'm convinced 5 years as a non-Labour, Tory seat will do the town a power of good and give Labour 5 years to sort out the Kremlin. The boil needs to be lanced.
Yes the boil needs to be lanced SteveL but we need an MP who knows the town well and what is happening here and wants to do something about it. The Lib Dem candidate Andy Hagon is that person, the Lib Dems were once great in this town and could be again given the opportunity and support.
Not a viable choice as they want us to stay in europe....
Labour have Corbyn..... The Lib Dems have Farron..... given that 69.5% of the electorate in Hartlepool voted to leave the EU, the Lib Dems have no viable support base in the town.
That would be my logic too Fred. Then again you just never know what's happening behind the scenes....last minute promises...palms greased etc?
I can still see the Conservative /UKIP vote splitting and letting Labour in.
However, the Corbyn factor seems like a re-run of the Foot fiasco.
Don't underestimate the ability if the Hartlepool electorate to do something totally illogical.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 11, 2017, 07: AM
I can still see the Conservative /UKIP vote splitting and letting Labour in.
God i hope not can you imagine the reaction of tweedle dum and tweedle even dummer at the cwemlin?
The trouble is, at the first sniff of an election, the 'rump', as if afflicted by some strange gas start talking about "me dad voted Labour, me Granda voted Labour, etc,etc" and are hypnotically drawn to put their 'X' next to whoever is representing the party of their fathers and logic flies out of the window.
I think we'll do a lot better than 4.7%, speaking to people as I'm leafleting. There was over 14,000 Hartlepudlians who voted Remain and there's plenty of worried Leavers out there. Labour are going to hand the Tories a blank cheque to do whatever they want, and I for one don't trust their negotiating skills. If the Tories take Hartlepool they know it will be only for one Parliament - predictions indicate trouble ahead in 2018 (which is why she's called an election now). Labour have had how many chances both locally and nationally and how has Hartlepool really benefited? 12.9% unemployment, 1 in 3 children in poverty, millions wasted etc, etc. You might not agree with my view on Europe but surely the political landscape needs to change and who better than a fellow Hartlepudlian!
Well at least you have the balls to post on this forum. We won't be seeing the Labour guy on here ;D
too many questions to answer
I am waiting patiently for Mr Hill to knock on my door. :)
Quote from: AndyHagon on May 11, 2017, 08: AM
I think we'll do a lot better than 4.7%, speaking to people as I'm leafleting. There was over 14,000 Hartlepudlians who voted Remain and there's plenty of worried Leavers out there. Labour are going to hand the Tories a blank cheque to do whatever they want, and I for one don't trust their negotiating skills. If the Tories take Hartlepool they know it will be only for one Parliament - predictions indicate trouble ahead in 2018 (which is why she's called an election now). Labour have had how many chances both locally and nationally and how has Hartlepool really benefited? 12.9% unemployment, 1 in 3 children in poverty, millions wasted etc, etc. You might not agree with my view on Europe but surely the political landscape needs to change and who better than a fellow Hartlepudlian!
Andy simple question:
If Libdem is elected as MP for Hartlepool will he support the majority decision made my the people of Hartlepool ( I believe around 63%) who voted for brexit?
There is no other answer really other than Yes or No- it would be really refreshing if as a potential local MP you were open and honest. Not the usual evasive fence sitting answer normally given by politicians
If the answer is YES you are in with a chance....and probably get my vote if nothing else.
If the answer is NO or any variation of " we would work towards staying in Europe/ I will follow the party line" then I suspect Libdems have no chance in Hartlepool.
Sorry to be blunt, but when you enter a forum such as this, people will ask direct questions and hope for direct answers- we don't get them anywhere else.
A NO response would suggest the Libdems are not right for the people of Hartlepool .
A lack of a response would suggest the same.
So first test of your approach to politics in Hartlepool....an answer to a simple question
If Libdem is elected as MP for Hartlepool will he support the majority decision made my the people of Hartlepool and support Brexit?
YES
or
NO
I have never had an allegiance to any particular polital party and have never voted tory. I never thought i would vote tory but they will be getting my vote on June 8th.
I think anything else would split the vote and we would have a Labour MP again.
Just been on Tees, RMW has writen to UKIP asking them not to put a candidate up in Hartlepool as the Polls show there is strong support for the Conservatives.
Nope for me he has done this because he is trying too protect his Labour mates.
There is a story going round, which I can't verify as yet, that after the Headland & Harbour by-election, Wells told the Labour crowd that he was the one who had won it for Labour by fielding a Tory candidate; 210 votes that would more than likely have gone to UKIP if he hadn't. Labour won the by-election by just 23 votes.
He then promised to do the same again next year in Jesmond when UKIP's George Springer is up for re-election.
I know that the real Tories are reading this site because they have been in touch. They need to be aware that Wells is far more interested in preserving his favoured position with Labour than he is in seeing a Tory MP in Hartlepool.
Quote from: steveL on May 11, 2017, 12: PM
There is a story going round, which I can't verify as yet, that after the Headland & Harbour by-election, Wells told the Labour crowd that he was the one who had won it for Labour by fielding a Tory candidate; 210 votes that would more than likely have gone to UKIP if he hadn't. Labour won the by-election by just 23 votes.
He then promised to do the same again next year in Jesmond when UKIP's George Springer is up for re-election.
I know that the real Tories are reading this site because they have been in touch. They need to be aware that Wells is far more interested in preserving his favoured position with Labour than he is in seeing a Tory MP in Hartlepool.
You're not allow in thinking that.....
I moved back to Hartlepool in 1996, in that 21 year period I have never had anyone ever come to my door to ask for my vote.
Well yesterday it happened. It was the UKIP candidate himself JB.
He was very pleasant, very up on affairs in the town and had some very interesting opinions on the future for UKIP in the town and nationally.
I advised him I was voting tory as it was the best chance to hole the SCAB's and co below the waterline, and to encourge Jeremy and his ilk to spend more time with there families. Double bubble.
He was pretty chipper about his chances and had some good graphs with respect to how the parties chances are, but they were from last year and before the total collapse of the UKIP vote earleir in the month. Seemed convinced that Labour are on the ropes though. Lets hope so.
Just a pity I will need to cut my hand off afterwards for supporting the deeply unsavory and vindictive May. Still, needs must when the devil drives.
Quote from: Shepherd on May 11, 2017, 01: PM
I moved back to Hartlepool in 1996, in that 21 year period I have never had anyone ever come to my door to ask for my vote.
Well yesterday it happened. It was the UKIP candidate himself JB.
He was very pleasant, very up on affairs in the town and had some very interesting opinions on the future for UKIP in the town and nationally.
I advised him I was voting tory as it was the best chance to hole the SCAB's and co below the waterline, and to encourge Jeremy and his ilk to spend more time with there families. Double bubble.
He was pretty chipper about his chances and had some good graphs with respect to how the parties chances are, but they were from last year and before the total collapse of the UKIP vote earleir in the month. Seemed convinced that Labour are on the ropes though. Lets hope so.
Just a pity I will need to cut my hand off afterwards for supporting the deeply unsavory and vindictive May. Still, needs must when the devil drives.
Awwwwwwwwwww I vowed to cut off more than my hand....... having said that, if I had said I would cut my right hand off....... I wouldn't be able to do anything with the part I said I would cut off..... :-\
Quote from: fred c on May 11, 2017, 12: PM
Quote from: steveL on May 11, 2017, 12: PM
There is a story going round, which I can't verify as yet, that after the Headland & Harbour by-election, Wells told the Labour crowd that he was the one who had won it for Labour by fielding a Tory candidate; 210 votes that would more than likely have gone to UKIP if he hadn't. Labour won the by-election by just 23 votes.
He then promised to do the same again next year in Jesmond when UKIP's George Springer is up for re-election.
I know that the real Tories are reading this site because they have been in touch. They need to be aware that Wells is far more interested in preserving his favoured position with Labour than he is in seeing a Tory MP in Hartlepool.
You're not allow in thinking that.....
ALONE.... predictive bloomin txt
Quote from: steveL on May 11, 2017, 12: PM
There is a story going round, which I can't verify as yet, that after the Headland & Harbour by-election, Wells told the Labour crowd that he was the one who had won it for Labour by fielding a Tory candidate; 210 votes that would more than likely have gone to UKIP if he hadn't. Labour won the by-election by just 23 votes.
He then promised to do the same again next year in Jesmond when UKIP's George Springer is up for re-election.
The way forward is not to offer a non-Labour candidate but to offer an alternative to Labour voters. Endless moaning here about 'my grandad voted Labour so I will always vote Labour' will not achieve anything. You have to seperate out the Labour vote and give a choice to those who would never under any circumstance vote Tory. Labour have a base vote that will
always support them. This is why Ray's tactic works because the base Tory supporters will always vote Tory even when they have no hope of winning.
If a strong independent was standing in each Labour Ward then that would split the Labour vote. A Ged Hall Or Brash option would be the undoing of the SCABs. The way to win is for real Labour believers to stand in opposition to the fake Labour SCABs.
The most effective tactic would be to make sure an independent Labour/Real Labour Candidate was standing for council and was
genuine. If that were to happen it would hive off some labour votes and make sure Labour lose. It is no use banging on about playing fair and sticking to the rules when the opposition use every dirty trick in the book and win.
Though the national polls offer hope I would be wary of thinking it is a done deal and a Labour wipe-out is on the cards.
I tend to agree with MK1 but what options do we have available in the GENERAL election.....the last 3 Labour MPs did nothing for the town and were there just to make up the numbers at Westminster, allowing the lunatics to continue running the Clowncil Asylum.
In particular Shitey an insipid (small) bag of hot air, turning a blind eye to Mrs Scabs sacking and then focusing on the likes of sports direct to try and raise his political profile ( cuban heals would have been easier) should compel any sane person NOT to vote labour. If labours leaked manifesto is correct Citizen Corbyn is leading his lemmings over a cliff edge.
UKIP have done there job, time to move on, Libdem= give me a break they want to stay in Europe..unless there candidate advises otherwise as per my previous post.. and Mother Theresa, well my thought are known about some of her policies regarding overseas aid= gutless. There are no real alternatives at a national level
In an ideal fantasy world Cwissie should stand for MP= double bubble.... he would get raped at the polls and be off the clowncil reduced to "running" a meals on wheels service......
.........despite her failings, I think the only option is vote Tory to keep labour out and ensure we leave europe as fast as possible.
Quote from: akarjl on May 11, 2017, 03: PM
, Libdem= give me a break they want to stay in Europe..unless there candidate advises otherwise as per my previous post.. and Mother Theresa, well my thought are known about some of her policies regarding overseas aid= gutless. There are no real alternatives at a national level
There is detailed NE wide polling todays Mail and those who consider Brexit central to their vote are outnumbered by those who dont think it is-by about the same magin as the actual vote.
Brexit is not the only issue and those who obsess about it are in danger of becoming ersatz UKIP and treated with the same contempt.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4491546/Ukip-collapse-sets-scale-Tory-victory-June-8.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4491546/Ukip-collapse-sets-scale-Tory-victory-June-8.html)
The Poll claims Tory votes will be bolstered by former UKIP voters.....not as a result of voters leaving labour as a result of Labours failings...although poll was carried out before Citizen Corbyn committed political suicide with his 1970s "power to the people" manifesto.
As long as the elected government respects the will of the people and takes us out of Europe,sets about reducing immigration and takes control of our borders that's a positive result for me at a national level- stopping all overseas would be icing on cake, but thats another battle .
Ask yourself would you really want the likes of Diane Abbott representing this country at government level? The woman is a racist ill-informed buffoon.
In an ideal fantasy world Cwissie should stand for MP= double bubble.... he would get raped at the polls and be off the clowncil reduced to "running" a meals on wheels service......
isnt he/she already running a meals on wheels service out My Cafe ?
Who's working the % out Dianne Abbott ?.For a start they add up to 101%.
The mail polls
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/poll-predicts-labour-could-lose-votes-in-the-north-east-1-8536750
So first test of your approach to politics in Hartlepool....an answer to a simple question
If Libdem is elected as MP for Hartlepool will he support the majority decision made my the people of Hartlepool and support Brexit?
YES
or
NO
Come on Akarjl you must know by now that any true politician does not have yes or no in their vocabulary and are incapable of giving a straight answer and I am afraid the Limp Dumbs under their stupendous leader Dim Tim Farron have not got a hope in hell of doing anything here in Hartlepool
Quote from: mala on May 11, 2017, 10: PM
So first test of your approach to politics in Hartlepool....an answer to a simple question
If Libdem is elected as MP for Hartlepool will he support the majority decision made my the people of Hartlepool and support Brexit?
YES
or
NO
Come on Akarjl you must know by now that any true politician does not have yes or no in their vocabulary and are incapable of giving a straight answer and I am afraid the Limp Dumbs under their stupendous leader Dim Tim Farron have not got a hope in hell of doing anything here in Hartlepool
True but thought it was worth a punt....give this new candidate one chance to show he is different and prove his worth. The lack of a response says it all.
Ahhh well back to considering options scratch labour and lib dems...
Quote from: mk1 on May 11, 2017, 01: PM
Endless moaning here about 'my grandad voted Labour so I will always vote Labour' will not achieve anything.
Really ? In my job I get involved in random conversations with many and varied people on some of the less privileged estates. Politics is a common topic with them and they don't like what they've got, but......l
Not moaning, just a recurrent observation.
However, a popular alternative is the answer, or should that be populist, can do it. However the 'rump' remains and the size of the rump matters.
Hi there Akarjl and Mala. Been a bit busy so apologies for the less than prompt response.
I accept the referendum result, but I'm against a hard Brexit. As the MP for Hartlepool, I would vote against a hard Brexit because I think that would be a bad deal. Present me with a good deal for the people of Hartlepool and I'd vote for it. The majority of people in Hartlepool voted to leave but we didn't establish what the ultimate destination would be.
May will be the next PM, with a stronger mandate, and you will get your Hard Brexit. But Brexit is not the only issue in town. Mk1 made a good point about other domestic issues being important too and we shouldn't look at everything through a Brexit prism. When the dust has settled, we will still need to do the day job and your vote will also need to ensure that the MP for Hartlepool also has what it takes to fight for the people of Hartlepool in Westminster (and beyond), as well as work tirelessly in our town and have a positive impact. It's easy for the four of us to say we'll do X, Y and Z, but people will need to decide who they think will actually make the biggest difference on a range of issues.
And overseas aid - again the Lib Dem policy is clear. Dfid isn't perfect, but then what huge organisation is. I've done a fair amount of travelling to some of the world's poorest countries and seen some deeply upsetting sights. Thankfully, our overseas aid has made a big contribution to the well-being of children around the world. A good example of this is over the last 16 years or so 580million vaccinations have been administered to children preventing an estimated 8 million deaths. That's something that we can be really proud of.
Morning Andy, I can't doubt your passion and commitment to the town and the job, however the mantra trotted out by Farron, Corbyn, Lucas, Sturgeon about a 'Hard Brexit' can only be supposition on their parts at this very early stage of the exit process, the constant innuendos thrown around questioning the intelligence of people who voted leave is grossly insulting.
The spiteful and downright belligerent attitude show by EU negotiators so far is an attempt to bully Britain into a position of supplication, it won't work, in fact it has hardened many peoples attitude to be 'rid of them' look no further than Macron, his already declared anti British stance on us leaving the EU is a view shared by virtually every EU leader.......... I ask myself.......... Why don't they want us to leave
Quote from: AndyHagon on May 12, 2017, 08: AM
Hi there Akarjl and Mala. Been a bit busy so apologies for the less than prompt response.
I accept the referendum result, but I'm against a hard Brexit. As the MP for Hartlepool, I would vote against a hard Brexit because I think that would be a bad deal. Present me with a good deal for the people of Hartlepool and I'd vote for it. The majority of people in Hartlepool voted to leave but we didn't establish what the ultimate destination would be.
May will be the next PM, with a stronger mandate, and you will get your Hard Brexit. But Brexit is not the only issue in town. Mk1 made a good point about other domestic issues being important too and we shouldn't look at everything through a Brexit prism. When the dust has settled, we will still need to do the day job and your vote will also need to ensure that the MP for Hartlepool also has what it takes to fight for the people of Hartlepool in Westminster (and beyond), as well as work tirelessly in our town and have a positive impact.
Thanks for response good to know you support Brexit.
Regarding overseas aid i am not saying we should help others but the amount should be drastically reduce and given following an application on a case by case basis. we should not be giving a thing to india or pakistan for example. The bulk of the 13 billion or so should be spent in u.k.
The chinese have stood approach they don't send money...they provide materials and assistance for example building clinks and sewage systems in africa...they supply the expertise and managers instead of handing over a wad of money.
How will you deal with clowncill run by a labour mafia who throw the towns money away?
Quote from: fred c on May 12, 2017, 08: AM
The spiteful and downright belligerent attitude show by EU negotiators so far is an attempt to bully Britain into a position of supplication
Perish the thought that UK Politicians have ever threatened the EU with anything.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-chancellor-philip-hammond-welt-am-sonntag-uk-tax-haven-europe-a7527961.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-accused-of-threatening-eu-nationals-with-deportation_uk_577a75cde4b0c94608012be9
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3235404/britain-gibraltar-spain-war-brexit/
May's 'Donald Trump' shouty negoitiating will only backfire on her-just like Donlald she talks big but knows she will have to make concessions
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39894119
And upsetting the French has made them really scared of us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4486670/Migrant-fears-Macron-threatens-scrap-Calais-controls.html
Quote from: AndyHagon on May 12, 2017, 08: AM
Hi there Akarjl and Mala. Been a bit busy so apologies for the less than prompt response.
I accept the referendum result, but I'm against a hard Brexit. As the MP for Hartlepool, I would vote against a hard Brexit because I think that would be a bad deal. Present me with a good deal for the people of Hartlepool and I'd vote for it. The majority of people in Hartlepool voted to leave but we didn't establish what the ultimate destination would be.
May will be the next PM, with a stronger mandate, and you will get your Hard Brexit. But Brexit is not the only issue in town. Mk1 made a good point about other domestic issues being important too and we shouldn't look at everything through a Brexit prism. When the dust has settled, we will still need to do the day job and your vote will also need to ensure that the MP for Hartlepool also has what it takes to fight for the people of Hartlepool in Westminster (and beyond), as well as work tirelessly in our town and have a positive impact. It's easy for the four of us to say we'll do X, Y and Z, but people will need to decide who they think will actually make the biggest difference on a range of issues.
And overseas aid - again the Lib Dem policy is clear. Dfid isn't perfect, but then what huge organisation is. I've done a fair amount of travelling to some of the world's poorest countries and seen some deeply upsetting sights. Thankfully, our overseas aid has made a big contribution to the well-being of children around the world. A good example of this is over the last 16 years or so 580million vaccinations have been administered to children preventing an estimated 8 million deaths. That's something that we can be really proud of.
I'm a selfish voter, what's in it for me. I want change in this town. If you were in with a chance of bringing it about you'd have my vote, but this time it will be dictated who was s running highest in the pools to challenge the incumbent party, UKIP excepted.
Another point, the Liberals have kept a fairly low profile over the years, no more so than some other parties, but you have to be a year round presence making an impact. You should have more of a local presence and be getting your profile raised above the parapet week in week out. Good time to start, but sorry, not this time.
The UK meets its commitment to the UN of 0.7% of GDP to oversees aid. Not every country does but that doesn't mean we should all sink to the lowest level. I agree we need to be far more picky on how the money is spent and where it goes and maybe the Chinese have the right idea - the Japanese do he same. In the UK, foreign aid is used too often to lubricate potential arms deals and other commercial considerations in a process which used to called bribery.
Redirect the same money internally and you'll find it going to the likes of Cranney and his various, never-ending schemes.
When the effectiveness of the Holiday Hunger money scheme of last year was reviewed, the Foodbank said that they weren't convinced that the benefit had gone to the right people. The result? - the Foodbank was cut out of this year's scheme altogether, the amount of money was increased and now ALL of it goes to organisations like OFCA and no doubt SAB's new Cafe venture in Masefield Road.
Fred, people have been unkind during (and after) the referendum and it's unacceptable. And I would expect the EU to play hardball - they don't want a domino effect (but I don't think May is helping either). And yes Akarjl I would agree - the overseas aid system needs reforming (as does the EU!). Locally, if people are unhappy with Labour then they need to vote accordingly I guess. Would another Labour MP help make the Labour run Council more effective (and of course I'm not suggesting it is ineffective)? I don't know. We have been quiet of late but behind the scenes we have been busy but I take the point about raising our profile in the future. But here's my challenge to your comment Riddler5, and all of you who read this great Forum - forget about which party we are all with, and vote for the candidate you think will make the biggest positive difference to the town. If it's not me, that's fine, but if I gain one extra vote by suggesting it, it will have been worth the 2 seconds to write it!
Quote from: AndyHagon on May 12, 2017, 04: PMLocally, if people are unhappy with Labour then they need to vote accordingly I guess. Would another Labour MP help make the Labour run Council more effective (and of course I'm not suggesting it is ineffective)? There's diplomacy and there's naivety. Are you actually in touch with local politics. I am suggesting they're ineffective. If you intend to displace them you should be saying it too.I don't know. We have been quiet of late but behind the scenes we have been busy
Quote from: AndyHagon on May 12, 2017, 04: PM
But here's my challenge to your comment Riddler5, and all of you who read this great Forum - forget about which party we are all with, and vote for the candidate you think will make the biggest positive difference to the town. If it's not me, that's fine, but if I gain one extra vote by suggesting it, it will have been worth the 2 seconds to write it!
Your getting there Andy....so a counter challenge. Will you confirm that, you will, where possible, shine a spotlight on the activities of certain clowncillers who are running Hartlepool, as if it is their own personal feifdom?
There are many issues outstanding relating to their activities for which the people deserve answers, most listed on here. A typical example of money wasted was the Cafe in the Crem and cwisterpher throwing his hand bag around because he didn't like carpets in a new facility, wasting a reported 95,000 pounds of public money, not to mentions "wife" Lying Ste getting sacked for claiming he was at a funeral when he was actually at a council function. Then there is the Willcox story.....
An MP, allegedly, is a figure of authority and respect (well apart from Mandy and Shitey both of whom were a waste of space and ignored the people) who should be listened too and has the benefit of parliamentary privilege on which they can rely.
Simply put....
Will you shine the spotlight on what has been happening at the clowncil over recent years....the "biggest positive difference to the town" would be to stop this clowncil wasting our money allowing it to be used for the benefit of the people of the town.
Quote from: steveL on May 12, 2017, 11: AM
I agree we need to be far more picky on how the money is spent and where it goes and maybe the Chinese have the right idea -
Chinese 'aid' is essentially '
sell us your minerals and we will make it look like we are providing aid'.There is also an ongoing debate inside China about the goal and management of Chinese aid to Africa. For the foreign policy bureaucrats at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, foreign aid is essentially a political instrument for China to strengthen bilateral ties and facilitate the development of African countries. In their view, political considerations should be the most important criteria in aid decision-making. Economic benefits associated with aid projects, such as profitability, resource extraction, or the acquisition service contracts for Chinese vendors, should only be secondary. However, trade promoters such as the Ministry of Commerce have rather opposite perspective. In their view, foreign aid serves China's overall national priority, which by definition is economic growth. Therefore, all aspects of aid decisions should reflect broad economic considerations. Under this logic, the inclination is to allocate the aid budget to countries that offer China the greatest number of commercial opportunities and benefits. Since China's top economic interest is Africa's natural resources, aid decisions are inevitably skewed toward resource-rich countries while others receive less favorable consideration.https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/chinas-aid-to-africa-monster-or-messiah/
Which is just a kick in the ar*se away from UK Aid which normally comes with conditions the aid is spent with British Firms. So all the Rolls Royce cars and 300 pair of shoes for the Presidents wife get bought in Bond Street.
Nobody gives aid without strings and the strings are usually enough to swallow most of the aid.
Cue '
'I was working with some Chinese people the other day and they told me the real story and it is the exact opposite of what you said..........................''
LOL I suspect that was "bait" directed at myself? Well I did live in China for a few years.... ;)
Obviously the real world experiences of several members here really pisses you off. ;D How many countries have you actually visited? Lived in? Other than the online world and youtube land? I suspect not many hence the reliance on second hand news harvested from Youtube/the mail/the guardian.
Just seen this on linkedin.
QuoteDoes anyone know how to cancel a bid on Ebay? I've made a terrible mistake and put a £3 bid in for a Cowboy outfit. I'm Six minutes away from owning the Labour Party......
50p will get you the clowncil.....
May going after the UKIP vote.
(https://s14.postimg.org/v5kue2ecd/18403227_10155242097828718_6109969921086916069_n.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v5kue2ecd/)
Some here seem to believe her recently discovered concern for the 'working class' in genuine..........
LOL Mandelson tried "getting down with the working man"....
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03262/mandelson_3262707b.jpg)
The May picture was a test. I wanted to see if there would be some form of 'get even' response. I was confident there would be and I was right.
The Forum seems to have morphed into a UKIP tribute act. Otherwise normal people have become rabid Labour-haters. Myopic 'one-issue' politics is the norm and I struggle to understand how a local MP can dictate Council policy.
No normal voter who visits can get any other impression than the Forum is mainly made up of looney right-wing immigrant-hating Labour-loathing obsessive old white men reeking of pi*ss and howling at the moon.
UKIP may be gone but its covert agents still stalk the Forum.
"I struggle to understand how a local MP can dictate Council policy"
It isn't that I expect a local MP to dictate council policy, however I do expect a local MP to dictate the personal Integrity, Honesty, Principals and Morality of the Councillors of the party of which he is the MP.
Quote from: fred c on May 15, 2017, 08: PM
"I struggle to understand how a local MP can dictate Council policy"
It isn't that I expect a local MP to dictate council policy, however I do expect a local MP to dictate the personal Integrity, Honesty, Principals and Morality of the Councillors of the party of which he is the MP.
Agreed Fred. Anyone with half a brain would.....but then again....
Quote from: mk1 on May 15, 2017, 08: PM
No normal voter who visits can get any other impression than the Forum is mainly made up of looney right-wing immigrant-hating Labour-loathing obsessive old white men reeking of pi*ss and howling at the moon.
:) Bit of a broad sweeping statement insulting to forum members?
Normal voter = As in, someone who has same views as yourself?
Looney = Define?
Right-wing = Any worse than being left wing?
Immigrant = Nope economic tourist/chancers/criminal/terrorists= yes.
Hating = I don't suppose any here HATE anyone- try do not want.
Labour-loathing = Wrong again, try "Hartlepool Labour Party Loathing"- I would suspect most here fall into that category.
Obsessive = nope = Try "with a healthy interest"
Old = Again insulting, old implies some have simply been around longer than some others.= try experienced?
White men = The race card? What is there to say? You keep playing it. I have to wonder why?
Reeking of pi*s = Show some empathy, I would suspect any members suffering from incontinence bath on a regular basis?
Howling at the moon = Lost me, too much time spent watching council telly?
Damn I must remember the advice given by others not to respond to gibberish ....but sometimes you make it so satisfying it is almost impossible to resist ;)
Quote from: fred c on May 15, 2017, 08: PM
It isn't that I expect a local MP to dictate council policy, however I do expect a local MP to dictate the personal Integrity, Honesty, Principals and Morality of the Councillors of the party of which he is the MP.
So how can an MP 'dictate' to local councillors? What system is in place so an MP can influence his local Council-apart from corruption that is.
Corrupt Councillors are all over the country and of all parties so by that measure then you will never vote for any Party.
Does Jeremy Thorpe's killing of Rinka mean you will never ever vote Liberal?
There is no such thing as a completely honest person. We all lie and only differ in the degree of our lies.
You are either a virgin or you are not a virgin.
Quote from: mk1 on May 15, 2017, 09: PM
by that measure then you will never vote for any Party.
Probably the only viable option available to us here in Hartlepool.
Quote from: mk1 on May 15, 2017, 09: PM
Corrupt Councillors are all over the country and of all parties so by that measure then you will never vote for any Party
It all depends on your interpretation of 'corruption', not necessarily the accepted form of criminal corruption, but corruption of an ideal. Then I reject their politics till removed. I can then vote for the new entrant to the field of politics. I do not assume or believe all politicians to be tainted.
Akarjl, I was going to respond to mki's sad, juvenile and ill-lettered post ref typical Forum contributors, but your excellent message hit all the right notes, so couldn't add more to the points you made. The one you struggled with (howling at the moon) may have a connection with a post I sent last week from Transylvania and the anti-freeloader fence in Hungary.
Do you think mki must actually be a troll Akarjl?...beacause after ploughing through yet another of his constant, repetitive, myopic, narrow-minded, petty, mean-spirited diatribes......the only rational conclusion I can come to is that he CANNOT be for real! No-one that is genuine could be so immature.
Quote from: Hubris on May 15, 2017, 10: PM
..the only rational conclusion I can come to...
I admire the fact you aspire to rationality. Keep posting because the infinite monkey theorem is on your side.............
Quote from: Hubris on May 15, 2017, 10: PM
.The one you struggled with (howling at the moon) may have a connection with a post I sent last week from Transylvania and the anti-freeloader fence in Hungary.
Damn missed the connection there sorry ;)
Quote from: Hubris on May 15, 2017, 10: PM
.......after ploughing through yet another of his constant, repetitive, myopic, narrow-minded, petty, mean-spirited diatribes......the only rational conclusion I can come to is that he CANNOT be for real! No-one that is genuine could be so immature.
Phew, I was wondering if it was only me who is constantly confused by the "stuck record".
LOL Looks like you are also benefiting from MK1's peculiar form of "enlightenment". Don't suppose you are a bong eyed loony are you? ;)
Quote from: akarjl on May 15, 2017, 11: PM
confused by the "stuck record".
The proper term is 'Broken Record'. I have also used 'Fogging' several times without you noticing.
You don't always need to have a ring in the Bull's nose to lead him about.......................
When i played records they "Stuck" or jumped. Looks like i am not the only one confused by your posts. Try going to bed earlier or different meds?
Quote from: akarjl on May 16, 2017, 12: AM
Looks like i am not the only one confused by your posts.
Feign Ignorance
This is bait to lure the target into "proving their case". When the target takes the bait, then the troll can simply parry every argument or point by claiming that the target hasn't convinced them. This puts the troll in control of the situation.
Oh dear again nothing original there then?
http://www.lee-dohm.com/2017/02/03/troll-tactics-and-responses/ (http://www.lee-dohm.com/2017/02/03/troll-tactics-and-responses/)
Did you miss Lee Dohms advice to:
QuoteBe polite
Tut Tut grasshopper.....
Incidentally ( Shows I am bored on a night shift), "the records stuck" featured on Monty Python's "Matching tie and Handkerchief" album- still hilarious over 40 years later.
Now can you PLEASE move away from making slanderous generic comments about forum members to speculating/commenting on the political options available on 8th June here in Hartlepool ( if there are any real options) ?
Looks like Broughton is trying to look like a local again.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-candidate-defends-putting-b-b-as-address-on-election-form-1-8545707
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk
Not looking at all good for Labour then. It will be interesting to see how the local CABAL react to this and I can see the Mail turning schizo with a Labour Council and a Tory MP ;D ;D
Looks like UKIP's undercarriage has collapsed.
They had their chance, but if the evidence of the council chamber is anything to go by it's hardly suriprisng. Rumour has it they don't attend, they just draw their chalk outlines on the council chamber floor in true crime scene tradition.
It's as if they had never planned on the referendum going there way. If they had been smarter, they would have broadened their appeal beyond immigration and leaving the EU ........... or maybe they never did have anything else to say. Dead ducks now though.
Quote from: not4me on May 17, 2017, 12: PM
If they had been smarter, they would have broadened their appeal beyond immigration and leaving the EU ...........
UKIP never had any 'appeal'. Pandering was their game.
Quote from: mk1 on May 17, 2017, 01: PM
Quote from: not4me on May 17, 2017, 12: PM
If they had been smarter, they would have broadened their appeal beyond immigration and leaving the EU ...........
UKIP never had any 'appeal'. Pandering was their game.
They must have appealed to many- the majority listened to what they said and voted for Brexit. Job done they need to move on as they appear to have nothing else to offer. Unfortunately the political options nationally, now available, are equally unappealing.
Back to the dark ages of the 70s with Citizen Corbyn bending over for the unions and hammering anyone was been forced into self employment ( 26% corporation tax) , more foot stomping (described as negotiating with the EU) and haemorrhaging aid overseas to pay for Pakistans space program from Mother Theresa, let's all hug trees from the Greens and the Libdems opposing Brexit and legalising cannabis ( so we can all chill and not worry about anything?)
Monster raving loony party? You are in with a real chance.....
Quote from: akarjl on May 17, 2017, 04: PM
Monster raving loony party?
Better than monster raving loonies who are one issue obsessives.
May has said she is not going to end Foriegn Aid. Get over it.
Private Eye knows who has the whip hand in the Brexit negotiations..........
(https://s2.postimg.org/5sm624ibp/Brexit_May_Merkel.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5sm624ibp/)
When I walked past the Labour Office in South Road today the shutters were up and there was a crowd in there. Very unusual. I don't recall seeing it open for months now. Anyway front and centre was Mad Dog. Quite a start to see Beaker giving me the evil eye through the window!
Quote from: mk1 on May 17, 2017, 05: PM
May has said she is not going to end Foriegn Foreign Aid. Get over it.
One thing the Brexit vote and Trump election have taught us is:
Never say never ;D
Quote from: akarjl on May 17, 2017, 05: PM
One thing the Brexit vote and Trump election have taught us is:
Never say never
Yes well I was hoping you would say something like that.
So I could remind you of this spectacular ability to forecast Election Results.
http://www.forum.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,3575.msg36145.html#msg36145
Quote from: akarjl
Merkel will get the boot in Germany came third in local elections in her home state
Lot of Swedish guys I have worked with recently reckon Sweden is on the edge - loosing their identity and sense of safety= bye by EU
Dutch guys I am working with at moment reckon Dutch never wanted to be part of the EU and were ignored by government- strange concept eh?
and...icing on cake, Sarkozey wants to be back in power in France- another EU out
The party is over it's a brave new world- can't wait......cant happen fast enough.
It is indeed a Brave New World. A brave new 'far -right marginalised' world. Trump and the alt-right idiocracy has been rejected by Liberal Europe with Merkel so far ahead in the Polls that she is a cert for re-election.
From an article in The Guardian ... so Labour's GE candidate Hill is now blaming UKIP & the Independents for creating a 'negative' attitude. A sure sign of panic/excuses for the consequences of Labour's failures.
'It is a worry, too, for Labour. Its candidate, the regional Unison organiser Mike Hill, blames Ukip and independent councillors for fuelling what he describes as a political narrative of "negativity which lays above us like a toxic fog". When pressed, Hill declines to explain how that negativity manifests. '
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/17/hartlepool-voters-civic-revolution-general-election
It is a worry, too, for Labour. Its candidate, the regional Unison organiser Mike Hill, blames Ukip and independent councillors for fuelling what he describes as a political narrative of "negativity which lays above us like a toxic fog". When pressed, Hill declines to explain how that negativity manifests.
Of course he can't explain that negativity, well not with out making a complete t**t of himself with his LabMob proposors, so it is the Independent and UKIP Councillors who are responsible for the "toxic fog"........ how does he come to that conclusion when the LabTor coalition have a clear majority ?
Lets Move On........ Nothing New Here for Hartlepool with this Candidate
Quote from: mk1 on May 17, 2017, 05: PM
Quote from: akarjl on May 17, 2017, 05: PM
One thing the Brexit vote and Trump election have taught us is:
Never say never
Yes well I was hoping you would say something like that.
So I could remind you of this spectacular ability to forecast Election Results.
http://www.forum.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,3575.msg36145.html#msg36145
Quote from: akarjl
Merkel will get the boot in Germany came third in local elections in her home state
Lot of Swedish guys I have worked with recently reckon Sweden is on the edge - loosing their identity and sense of safety= bye by EU
Dutch guys I am working with at moment reckon Dutch never wanted to be part of the EU and were ignored by government- strange concept eh?
and...icing on cake, Sarkozey wants to be back in power in France- another EU out
The party is over it's a brave new world- can't wait......cant happen fast enough.
It is indeed a Brave New World. A brave new 'far -right marginalised' world. Trump and the alt-right idiocracy has been rejected by Liberal Europe with Merkel so far ahead in the Polls that she is a cert for re-election.
Well you can't be right all the time can you but you never know what will happen at the polls....as has been proved lately. Not sure what will happen across europe but at least we will be rid of them which is the only result i really care about. The german and french leaders can continue developing the federal state but we will be an independent state....led by morons but at least they are British morons🇬🇧
Doesn't leave many options in Hartlepool does it Fred? Defaced ballot paper party?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 17, 2017, 06: PM
Mike Hill, blames Ukip and independent councillors for fuelling what he describes as a political narrative of "negativity which lays above us like a toxic fog".
Anyone taking that to include UKIP as 'Independent' Councilors is deluded. UKIP as a whole are at the same low-IQ level as the Labour coterie and if Shane wants a valid reason for his descent into dipsomania then he needs as mitigation is a clip of the chuntering fools at UKIP strategy meetings!
This newspaper confirms what is always been denied. Hartlepool First is
the number one problem for the Labour Group. Things are so bad that a brand new man brought in to start a clean slate can't even get to the starting block without indirectly blaming all his problems on Hartlepool First. We know who destroyed Labour's credibility. Labour fool no one by mentioning UKIP/Independents in the same breath.
Take a bow Hartlepool First!
Quote from: mk1 on May 17, 2017, 09: PM
Things are so bad that a brand new man brought in to start a clean slate can't even get to the starting block without indirectly blaming Hartlepool First. We know who destroyed Labour's credibility. Labour fool no one by mentioning UKIP/Independents in the same breath.
Take a bow Hartlepool First!
nail head hit.....
I must day I was a bit disappointed; not sure why. Maybe it's just that a new name (to me anyway) triggered thoughts of new hope but from the Guardian article it looks like more of the same and just another Labour clone with his moral compass totally f**c*** up.
oh well . . .
2 names on Mike Hills proposal form gave the game away....... how any potential MP would allow Craney and Lying Ste to propose him is a clear indication of his lack of understanding about the problems faced by the town under The LabMob.
Hill will have been reading the script given to him by the brains of the local Labour Party. If even after this short period of time he hasn't twigged on he's joining the cast of a dysfunctional political Pantomime there's not much hope.
I'm pretty annoyed by the claim, and it is a claim not an assertion because he can't (or won't) back it up, made by Hill.
I don't know him but I've been told by others who do that he's a good guy.
But if he seriously thinks the problems within HBC are down to a couple of old bigots and me, Paul and James he's living on a different planet to the rest of us.
The Labour Party in this town has been destroyed from within by a small bunch of usurpers who wouldn't know true socialism if it jumped up and bit them on their @rse.
He'll find out exactly how much damage they've done to the Labour brand in this town when he's sweating in the Mill House leisure centre on June 8th.
Ohhhhhh come on, if he isn't aware of what's been going on in local political circles in the last 6 or 7 years where has he been living, Hartlepool has the only LabTor Coalition in the country, they have wasted millions of pounds, they have almost totally dismantled the democratic constitutional process, they have an ex-labour councillor in jail (she gets out on Monday) and he blames the "Toxic Fog" on a Few Indies, UKIP hahahahahaha and some old fogies........ Oy Mike..... here's £5 pop down to Costa and Smell The Coffee
Quote from: fred c on May 18, 2017, 09: AM
Ohhhhhh come on, if he isn't aware of what's been going on in local political circles in the last 6 or 7 years where has he been living, Hartlepool has the only LabTor Coalition in the country, they have wasted millions of pounds, they have almost totally dismantled the democratic constitutional process, they have an ex-labour councillor in jail (she gets out on Monday) and he blames the "Toxic Fog" on a Few Indies, UKIP hahahahahaha and some old fogies........ Oy Mike..... here's £5 pop down to Costa and Smell The Coffee
Or better still...pop down to the Dear Leader's office and smell the bulls**t!
Just got the blurb from Mike Hill through the letterbox.
HAVING A LOCAL HOSPITAL IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN AND I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ANY MORE CUTS TO SERVICES, is there anything left to cut of any consequence now? By the way, this whole sorry process was begun under your government and approved by local politicians ado don't try that one on.
As a resident of the town I can only assume he walks around with his eyes closed, doesn't spend much time here in daylight and wasn't aware of the fun adventures of our local politicians.
Looks like someone is getting desperate
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-candidate-s-smear-campaign-claim-after-b-b-address-reported-to-police-1-8550373
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 19, 2017, 06: AM
Just got the blurb from Mike Hill through the letterbox.
HAVING A LOCAL HOSPITAL IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN AND I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ANY MORE CUTS TO SERVICES, is there anything left to cut of any consequence now? By the way, this whole sorry process was begun under your government and approved by local politicians ado don't try that one on.
As a resident of the town I can only assume he walks around with his eyes closed, doesn't spend much time here in daylight and wasn't aware of the fun adventures of our local politicians.
One of this candidates proposers was the Chairman of the Health Scrutiny Committee that signed off on the closure of the A&E Department............ Maybe Mike Hill is unaware of this connection, in the last few days I have come to the conclusion that he must have been in stasis for several years.
"Stasis (fiction) implies, especially in science-fiction, an artificial pause that stops all physical and chemical processes, including those of life; they resume as if uninterrupted as soon as the stasis is ended"
There has to be a reason he appears to be oblivious to what has been going on with the LabMob coalition in Hartlepool ???
Paddy Power Odds
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http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-constitenciesdk?ev_oc_grp_ids=2023293
Here's a wider picture:
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/hartlepool%20election%20odds.png)
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/hartlepool/winning-party
Thats incorrect, the Greens aren't even standing, this must be the national election odds ?
I believe all the polls showing Labour losing Hartlepool are national and thus 'suspect'. The Mail had an 8000 sample 'Regional' survey yesterday that said it was 'North East England'.
Note the 'one-issue' Brexit obsessives are a minority.
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Looks like we are not alone in Hartlepool...."don't know / won't vote" around 30%....says a lot about how disillusioned with politics in general people are.
I think the Tories have it in the bag. It's all a question of mathematics.
Not Diane Abbotts strongpoint.
Quote from: mk1 on May 19, 2017, 01: PM
I believe all the polls showing Labour losing Hartlepool are national and thus 'suspect'. The Mail had an 8000 sample 'Regional' survey yesterday that said it was 'North East England'.
Note the 'one-issue' Brexit obsessives are a minority.
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A cursory glance at The Mail coverage would tell anyone that they are busy trying to maintain the status quo and are probably working with the council's PR Department to do so. You can comment on the Philip Broughton story, for example, but NOT on Akers-Belcher denial that next Tuesday will see the public lose completely their right to submit questions at full council meetings.
The paper will have a real problem if the Tories win Hartlepool; they know it and are doing everything they can to prevent it. So am I interested in a Mail Survey?
Work it out.
Quote from: steveL on May 19, 2017, 02: PM
So am I interested in a Mail Survey?
Work it out.
Google Survey not Mail Survey. It is not a forgone conclusion that the Tories will win in Hartlepool no matter how appealing it may seem.
Nothing can be taken for certain in politics, certainly not this time around, but the electorate of Hartlepool , or a rump of them, have an inbuilt talent for shooting themselves in the foot, and face come to that.
I still expect Labour to creep over the finishing line.
Tactical voting in Hartlepool is like plutonium, you don't touch it and you don't get it on your clothes.
Tuesdays council meeting could be interesting, the petition doing the rounds about the constitutional changes has several hundred signatures on it already.... if a 50, 60, 70 people show up at Tuesdays council meeting and a TV News channel was in attendance and a reporter from a decent paper (I know, asking a lot) but If that happened, it could cost The LabMob the election........ It really could.
Quote from: fred c on May 19, 2017, 05: PM
Tuesdays council meeting could be interesting, the petition doing the rounds about the constitutional changes has several hundred signatures on it already.... if a 50, 60, 70 people show up at Tuesdays council meeting and a TV News channel was in attendance and a reporter from a decent paper (I know, asking a lot) but If that happened, it could cost The LabMob the election........ It really could.
Fingers crossed, typically I am offshore so can't get there...hope as many as possible do attend- placards at the ready.
Has anyone received the vote Mike Hill Labour leaflet delivered by post this week? The comedy shambolic photo on the front of it is a vote winner they think???
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/reject-council-proposals-to-limit-access-to-meetings?utm_source=email&utm_medium=blast&utm_campaign=19_5_2017_4days&bucket=email-blast-19_5_2017_4days&utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2017-05-19 (https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/reject-council-proposals-to-limit-access-to-meetings?utm_source=email&utm_medium=blast&utm_campaign=19_5_2017_4days&bucket=email-blast-19_5_2017_4days&utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2017-05-19)
38 degrees have just sent this to all of their supporters/anyone who has ever signed one of their petitions.
I can't see that helping Mike Hill's campaign.
455 signatures in a few hours, what would really throw a spanner in CABS works would be if Tuesdays meeting turned into a full house and the tv and press turned up...... they would only need to read the agenda to realise he is telling a shed load of porkies..... and that could cost them the seat.....
470.........
500.....
671
Will Corbyn quit when he loses ?
Quote from: The Great Dictator on May 20, 2017, 10: AM
Will Corbyn quit when he loses ?
Doubt it - he'll be backed as Leader by the same type of people who are keeping our beloved (hold that door) leader his royal sumptiousness Kwissie Tsar I of the Peoples' Democratic State of Hartlepool and his consort Tsarina Handsome Steve in a job.
You can tell there's a rabbit off by the amount of TV coverage the town has been getting lately. Yesterday it was Sky News in town and the day before BBC Newsnight were on the Marina.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Theresa May herself made n appearance before June 8th. I think the Tories like the idea of taking Mandelson's old constituency.
I wonder if a lot of people will vote UKIP simply as a protest vote,seeing as Labour and Tories have nothing to offer the town?
Only people who like to be losers would vote UKIP. It's a fact that a lot of people vote for who they think will win simply because they like to be on the winning side.
UKIP is a busted flush, all the evidence we need is in the council chamber. If you want change, you're gonna have to hold your nose and vote for the best realistic challenger.
It'll also do the Labour Party good to spend some time in the wilderness. They might even start to rebuild the party locally. I won't hold my breath though.
Quote from: admin on May 20, 2017, 01: PM
a lot of people vote for who they think will win simply because they like to be on the winning side.
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We may as well spin the bottle then....they all appear the same
For Info:
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Quote from: akarjl on May 20, 2017, 01: PM
Quote from: admin on May 20, 2017, 01: PM
a lot of people vote for who they think will win simply because they like to be on the winning side.
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We may as well spin the bottle then....they all appear the same
Sorry should have said "they all appear equally unappealing"
It will depend on what the people who voted UKIP decide how to vote, will they switch back too Labour. I think May 'shot herself in the foot' with the Winter Fuel means testing and the changes in Social Care. She didn't indicate how the WFA was going to be means tested, I think anyone in receipt of benefits will qualify. If you were a UKIP voter you might think May would get a better deal than Corbyn re Brexit.
Removing the triple lock on Pensions will also cost her votes.
After my rant I can't see a Conservative candidate being elected.
Interesting to see that there's over 5000 votes for those who aren't standing this time around - people who aren't strongly allied to the two main parties. These (plus disaffected ex-UKIP voters) could well give the Conservatives an ever increasing chance of taking Hartlepool.
Despite all the media hype about 'freezing pensioners' etc., would have thought that most people could see through the waffle.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/2015%20general%20election%20result.png)
As I see it, this isn't about Tories and Labour, it's about the fall-out that will result if Labour lose the seat. I believe the local Cabal will be toast if that's the way it goes. You only have to look at the last few elections, local and national, to see how Labour have been haemorrhaging votes under CAB's leadership.
Those 8,256 Tory votes last time are rock solid and I would predict that Labour's 14,076 will go down not only due to the Corbyn effect but also because of the CAB effect. Seaton Parking charges, Carpetgate, Cafe in the Cemetery, Wilcox and now Pubic Questions - they're not exactly vote winners for Labour are they?
So the Tories are probably looking for another 4,000 votes from the 11,052 that went to UKIP and the 4,004 that went to Independents. The step from UKIP to the Tories is a lot more obvious than the step from UKIP to Labour and nationally it's reckoned to be around 2/3 UKIP switching to the Tories. As for those 4,004 votes for Independents, these are people who have already decided at least once not to vote Labour and so are now floaters looking for a home.
I reckon they're home and dry.
I reckon Labour will p**s it. I'm prepared to have a friendly cash wager Steve. You?
Quote from: Steely Dan on May 21, 2017, 06: AM
I reckon Labour will p**s it. I'm prepared to have a friendly cash wager Steve. You?
No point. Even if you won the bet then, in all conscience, I couldn't possibly pay up until the day after the Tribunal winners received their due compensation.
No point betting with each other. Bet with the national bookmakers. They still have Labour as 2/1 outsiders 5/2 in places, to hold a seat they've held for 60 years.
The 'toxic' Tories are 4/9 favourites, 2/5 in places.
5/2 is huge odds when you consider the history of the seat. If CAB and the cabal were 100% confident Labour will hold Hartlepool then they should but their mortgages on a Labour win at 5/2... well, those of them who can actually get mortgages whilst having no job.
Think about it, 10, even 5, years ago if someone said "If you bet £20 on Labour to win the seat in Hartlepool and if they do i'll give you £70 back", you'd have bitten their hand off and took the bet.
But would you NOW? ...... "The CAB effect".
DRiddle, I've already placed a very substantial bet with a national bookmaker. I'm looking forward to picking up my winnings. I'll be donating it all to charities.
The most important choice you have to make in this Election is who is better to get us out of the dreadful EU.
This is something we decided we wanted by a large majority at the Referendum despite our Dear Leader advising us otherwise I. Anything else can be resolved to at a future election.
UKIP and Lib Dems cannot form a Government except as a coalition so the only choice is Conservative or Labour.
Past events undertaken by the present Council may also be a deciding factor in your decision.
But remember it is your choice, your vote, use it wisely.
Quote from: Steely Dan on May 21, 2017, 08: AM
DRiddle, I've already placed a very substantial bet with a national bookmaker. I'm looking forward to picking up my winnings. I'll be donating it all to charities.
Any charities we know?
On a personnal level I have a lot of time for Mike Hill, however, and its a bloody big however, if he gets elected he'll have to pay the piper.
Wrighty had the sense to have nowt to do with the likes of the SCAB's Mad Dog, Cranney, Richardson and all, Shighty kept all jobs in his office within his family or at least people who were at a considerable distance from the likes of the SCAB's.
Hill will be under considerable pressure to employ the likes of 'Andsome Steve', Mad Dog, and other party fookwits. In effect they will take over the ship and Hill will be little more than a puppet.
Would Hills have the balls to be his own man? I'm not sure and that alone could stop me voting Labour.
SteveL:
You rightly point out some of the catastrophic failures of the Labour cabal in this town.
Unfortunately, most of the points raised mean diddly squat to the majority of town residents because of the Hartlepool Fails refusal to highlight the criminal activities going on, or the 'suspicious' dealings behind the scenes, which any REAL local newspaper would jump at to reveal. >:(
Sadly, despite the high regard I have for the Hartlepool Post and its investigative reporting, the stories regarding what is really going on behind the scenes and how OUR money is being squandered, is not reaching a wide enough audience.
I still speak to people in this town that are unaware of half of what has/is going on!
:o :(
I wish there was a way to explode the recent history of the shenanigans of Labour in this town of ours. 8)
Without it, I fear it will be a Labour MP in June and the scabs will meander through their dissolute lives until THEY decide to do something different.
The Labour result on the headland proved that.....the 'my grandad would turn in his grave if I voted for anyone but a Labour candidate' ethos.
So sad. So tragically sad. :'(
I dont do Twitter,Minstergram or Facialbook but for anyone here that does, a continuous stream of links to this site will get indexed by Google and co, also there are always a few politics/humour/satire bloggers on lookout for stories, even if the mainstream press seem to ignore the lunacy.
A google search for "christoper ackers-belcher" shows the Hpost at position 5 on page one.
.....christoper ackers-belcher= article about lying ste getting sacked....1st page
Time to spread the goodness...........
Quote from: Lord Elpus on May 21, 2017, 11: AM
On a personnal level I have a lot of time for Mike Hill, however, and its a bloody big however, if he gets elected he'll have to pay the piper.
Wrighty had the sense to have nowt to do with the likes of the SCAB's Mad Dog, Cranney, Richardson and all, Shighty kept all jobs in his office within his family or at least people who were at a considerable distance from the likes of the SCAB's.
Hill will be under considerable pressure to employ the likes of 'Andsome Steve', Mad Dog, and other party fookwits. In effect they will take over the ship and Hill will be little more than a puppet.
Would Hills have the balls to be his own man? I'm not sure and that alone could stop me voting Labour.
The problem is LE, Mike Hill has already committed himself to the SCAB Cabal, by allowing Lying Ste Akers B and The Misogynistic Entrepreneur Craney to propose him, he should have kept them the length of the Heugh Pier away from a pen and his proposal form.
His "toxic fog / independent" comment in the Guardian, also points the direction his compass is pointing and unfortunately it means nothing will change in a Labour held Hartlepool....
If on the other hand, he announced that he would insist on immediate investigations into Lying Ste's sacking and the Abandonment of The Town Plan ......... ;)
Quote from: grim reaper on May 21, 2017, 01: PM
SteveL:
You rightly point out some of the catastrophic failures of the Labour cabal in this town.
Unfortunately, most of the points raised mean diddly squat to the majority of town residents because of the Hartlepool Fails refusal to highlight the criminal activities going on, or the 'suspicious' dealings behind the scenes, which any REAL local newspaper would jump at to reveal. >:(
Sadly, despite the high regard I have for the Hartlepool Post and its investigative reporting, the stories regarding what is really going on behind the scenes and how OUR money is being squandered, is not reaching a wide enough audience.
I still speak to people in this town that are unaware of half of what has/is going on!
:o :(
I wish there was a way to explode the recent history of the shenanigans of Labour in this town of ours. 8)
Without it, I fear it will be a Labour MP in June and the scabs will meander through their dissolute lives until THEY decide to do something different.
The Labour result on the headland proved that.....the 'my grandad would turn in his grave if I voted for anyone but a Labour candidate' ethos.
So sad. So tragically sad. :'(
oh there's still plenty of those about, don't get me wrong but the L about vote of 14,000 isn't going to go up this time around and I expect it to drop by a couple of thousand. That leaves the Tories needing to pick up only 4,000 from previous UKIP and Independent voters which totalled 13,000 last time and if you voted to leave the EU in the referendum (and 69% did) then you're not going to vote for Corbyn's half-in, half-out approach.
You are right to be concerned Fred. and I share your concerns.
Hill BELONGS to Unison, period. :-X
Just look at the usual suspects in our Labour council that have Unison memberships. They don't even have jobs but they are aligned with the union.
Is Hill going to turn against his own members? :-X
This is simply yet another 'stitch up' of the system to enable Labour hold on to power in Hartlepool.
UKIP? Nah. Broughton may have helped his cause if his party literature had stated he would initiate investigations into Hartlepool council procedures regarding the awarding of contracts and finance to CICs etc.
A Hartlepool MP ought to be investigating illegal contracts/failure to pay prescribed rates of pay/zero hour contracts in THIS town, NOT a sports manufacturing company in the Midlands! >:(
However, I still believe a UKIP vote is the best in local elections, simply so it takes out both Labour and Tory seats and they lose their grip on the Civic Centre,
AND THE SENIOR OFFICERS THAT HAVE TO KOWTOW TO THEIR WHIMS! >:( >:( >:(
We are between a rock and a hard place. :'(
I suspect that as we speak, the inmates are ordering puppet strings for their new prospective MP.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 21, 2017, 11: AM
Quote from: Steely Dan on May 21, 2017, 08: AM
DRiddle, I've already placed a very substantial bet with a national bookmaker. I'm looking forward to picking up my winnings. I'll be donating it all to charities.
Any charities we know?
I usually support The Children's Society, Cancer UK and Guide Dogs.
Why do you ask?
Because I can.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 21, 2017, 03: PM
Because I can.
Obviously too much spare time.
Obviously, I'm not a member of a political party so my times my own, dogma free.
https://tinyurl.com/nyrlgat
cracks are starting to appear ;D
Looks like the Sedgfield man has some balls...what a strange concept support the people who vote for him rather than the party....
Sedgefield Labour candidate attempts to distance himself from Jeremy Corbyn in strongly-worded letter to constituents
"Your vote in Sedgefield on June 8 won't affect who is in number 10 on June 9 – but it will effect who is your local MP.
"I am no supporter of Theresa May and I am no supporter of Jeremy Corbyn – the only people I support are you, the people of Sedgefield constituency."
"I put local people and local concerns first – from backing your Brexit, bringing Hitachi here, to fighting to keep your A&E open and for fully funded schools. If this means standing up to May, I do. If this means opposing Corbyn, I do.
"I am for Labour not for Corbyn, it is my name on the ballot paper."
https://tinyurl.com/kqfjfn9
What a surprise. Blair's big mate disentangle like Corbyn. I'm shocked. :-0
Mr Unison Hill states he will bring more quality jobs to Hartlepool.
No meat on the bone, no explanation of HOW he will magic jobs out of thin air. :-[
However, he could have made a good start by supporting jobs ALREADY IN THE TOWN by having his thousands of leaflets printed in one of HARTLEPOOL'S many printers...instead of a company in Northamptonshire! :o
If he calls that fighting for Hartlepool jobs, he's a bigger Unison k**b than I thought he was. :(
You remember Unison in Hartlepool, they use civic centre facilities and Hartlepool council staff to conduct their nefarious union business, and pay NOTHING.
The council tax payers of this town bankroll the union.
That's Unison and that's Hill. He can't wait to get his Unison nose deeper into the taxpayers trough.
Now, let's see. I don't think I mentioned UKIP, the EU, brown people or any of the other aspects that the omniscient MK1 thinks are not allowed on this site. :P
I remember a while ago when he raged against those stating on here that the EU wanted their own army, with Germany at its head.
We all now know that was and is the case and he was wrong.
Damn! I've blasphemed.
QuoteMr Unison Hill states he will bring more quality jobs to Hartlepool.
No meat on the bone, no explanation of HOW he will magic jobs out of thin air.
He needs to have a word with Christopher then and his Vision to fill the town with part-time bar, hotel and retail jobs on zero hour contracts.
Funny to hear Corbyn decrying zero hour contracts and how banning them is now in the Labour manifesto. I distinctly remember an opposition proposal (one of Riddle's, I think) that the council should stop employing people on zero hour contracts.
It was voted down by Labour.
Hill looks like a reluctant baby sitter, sent in to throw a blanket over the disfunctional chavs in the hope no one will notice them.
Look at his proposal form.......the names on that say all that needs to be said about Mr Hill prospective labour candidate for Hartlepool and a hand puppet for Cwistopher.
May stumbled badly today. She is not comfortable answering without slogans. Must be the quickest U-Turn in the history of elections. She simply is not up to an open forum and it is clear why she has refused to appear with Corbyn. He would make her look lack-lustre and shallow.
The Tory lead has eroded over the weekend so things are starting to get interesting..........
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 22, 2017, 06: PM
Hill looks like a reluctant baby sitter, sent in to throw a blanket over the disfunctional chavs in the hope no one will notice them.
Given he is from out-of-town I suspect it was them or no-one. If you walk down South Road any afternoon you can see them all plotting in the Labour HQ. They have one of those big note-pad things on an easel and you can read it from outside. Lots of interesting insights into the mess they think they have to clean-up!
Getting shot of The SCAB Cabal would help help a tad.
Quote from: fred c on May 22, 2017, 07: PM
Getting shot of The SCAB Cabal would help help a tad.
And that really is the answer.
Just supposing Calamity Chris had stayed out of politics, SAB would have been toast years ago. Windbag Brash would probably be the Labour Party candidate in this election and he would probably win it with a massive majority.
The SCAB's Mad Dog, Cranney, Barclay, Richardson have no interest in anything other than whats in it for them. They have done more damage to the Labour Party in Hartlepool than even the carpet bagging tosser Mandy ever did.
For fookssake I'm to the left, I want to see a party that will do its best for forgotten towns like Hartlepool. Most young people that go to university don't come back to Hartlepool, that's tragic. What have the main parties offered us, Labour a SCAB poodle, Tories and 'loads of money' chancer, UKIP a nut job, Libdem decent bloke, but no chance.
I openly admit I've had a glass of rum and coke, (usually tea total) but for fooksake this is such a cows ar** of a mess
Put Simply'HARTLEPOOL DESERVES BETTER'
That's MR Windbag Brash to you.
I stand corrected
The woman simply will not answer a question and believes we should just trust her to get things right. Strong and stable my ar*se!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-39979839
calm it down girls
no need for abuse ;)
Please, no scoring points on this topic. It's just not on.
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 23, 2017, 08: AM
Please, no scoring points on this topic. It's just not on.
Absolutely right regarding this incident.
Quote from: akarjl on May 23, 2017, 10: AM
Quote from: Riddler5 on May 23, 2017, 08: AM
Please, no scoring points on this topic. It's just not on.
Absolutely right regarding this incident.
have to agree bonny lad how's the gardening going ?
;D ;D ;D ;)
Quote from: kevplumb on May 23, 2017, 10: AM
have to agree bonny lad how's the gardening going ?
;D ;D ;D ;)
Never been my strong point and in any case I am in the southern north sea at the moment.... 8) you mixing me up with SD and his cultivation of clowincillers (aka potatoes) at the allotment?
yer but your digging ;D ;D ;D throw some spuds in with them SWA's ;)
Bingo
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=akers-belcher+door+open&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ugkkWZXiAofVwAKlgYyoCg (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=akers-belcher+door+open&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ugkkWZXiAofVwAKlgYyoCg)
Position 1 1st page
:P :P :P ;D ;)
An article in The Guardian regarding the Election in Hartlepool states that CAB blames the 11-year mayoralty of Stuart Drummond – the former football mascot who ran for office as H'Angus the Monkey – for causing the town to stagnate.
Incredible!!!
When their own Monkey did not get the role the Labour lot did their utmost to oppose SD at every point until they got rid of him in 2012.
Has the Town since then grown in stature I do not think so.
Time for change
Just shows that cristopher
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/22/peter-mandelson-legacy-hartlepool-general-election-crossroads (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/22/peter-mandelson-legacy-hartlepool-general-election-crossroads)
Lest we forget there is also a link on that page to lyingste
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/mayor-was-sacked-for-attending-civic-event-after-telling-bosses-he-was-going-to-a-funeral-1-7202564 (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/mayor-was-sacked-for-attending-civic-event-after-telling-bosses-he-was-going-to-a-funeral-1-7202564)
Bet he wishes he had kept is mouth shut..........
How low can a politician stoop? Opportunism combined with inappropriate timing. Foul.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-launches-general-election-manifesto-and-claims-theresa-may-must-bear-some-responsibility-for-manchester-bombing-1-8562549
Some interesting comments on the mail page from both labour and tory supporters.....but it seems a bit pointless even bringing a manifesto out considering the number of candidates they are fielding, the quality of many and the chances they have of even getting a seat with the scally leading them.
The deputy leaders comments are appalling regarding responsibility, the person responsible was the garbage bomber and the Islamic fundamentalist who radicalised him etc
But it is a pity one of the main parties wont take on board one or two of their policies with regards to overseas aid, immigration and Islamic fundamentalism -like it or not, a lot of people are of the same opinion and they may well vote accordingly.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 25, 2017, 02: PM
How low can a politician stoop? Opportunism combined with inappropriate timing. Foul.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ukip-launches-general-election-manifesto-and-claims-theresa-may-must-bear-some-responsibility-for-manchester-bombing-1-8562549
UKIP look like a holiday jet where the pilots have got food poisoning and the stag night party on board decide they'll have a go at landing the plane. Result, crash and burn.
Have not checked but I presume the latest Labour advance in the opinion polls means Hartlepool is a safe Labour seat again?
Seems talk of a Labour wipe-out were premature.
Quote from: mk1 on May 26, 2017, 10: PM
Have not checked but I presume the latest Labour advance in the opinion polls means Hartlepool is a safe Labour seat again?
Seems talk of a Labour wipe-out were premature.
As I've said earlier on here I expect them to retain the town, it's Hartlepool. As soon as a good percentage of voters enter the voting booth the ghosts of their forefathers are looking over their shoulders and they vote Labour. The irony being their forefathers wouldn't touch this Labour Party with a barge pole.
That's why the towns in the state it's in. Every election is a Groundhog Day where the the same outcome results. Till the town shakes free if this ingrained parochial subservience to the Labour Party we're doomed.
The Party needs a kick up the ar** to shake out of its complacency, might do it some good even.
http://www.yellowad.co.uk/article.cfm?id=125751&headline=BREAKING%3A+Tories+booted+out+of+power+at+Basildon+Council§ionIs=news&searchyear=2017 (http://www.yellowad.co.uk/article.cfm?id=125751&headline=BREAKING%3A+Tories+booted+out+of+power+at+Basildon+Council§ionIs=news&searchyear=2017)
Have a read of this. In a lot of ways it sounds familiar.
'a shameful display of democracy'
As quotes go, that one's a classic.
Quote from: mk1 on May 26, 2017, 10: PM
Have not checked but I presume the latest Labour advance in the opinion polls means Hartlepool is a safe Labour seat again?
Seems talk of a Labour wipe-out were premature.
I'll stick with my prediction. I still think it's all down to mathematics and that Labour are goosed.
Electoral Calculus had Labour winning for a couple of days after the launch of Labour's Manifesto but they have now gone back to predicting a Tory win in Hartlepool.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/area_neast.html
Mandelson acknowledges poor local leadership as being a factor in Labour's shrinking share of votes ....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/22/peter-mandelson-legacy-hartlepool-general-election-crossroads?utm_source=pdscl&utm_medium=sfbk&utm_campaign=ge2017_geo_fb15&CMP_TU=mawns&CMP_BUNIT=edtrl
Lazy journalists hangs about in pub to 'meet the people'. In my opinion the type of people you meet in pubs are rarely capable of rational thought but I will admit there is not much distinction between a sober Kipper and a drunken one! Remember the headlines UKIP got last time when a boozed up supporter assaulted a spectator at a UKIP rally?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 28, 2017, 02: PM
Mandelson acknowledges poor local leadership as being a factor in Labour's shrinking share of votes ....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/22/peter-mandelson-legacy-hartlepool-general-election-crossroads?utm_source=pdscl&utm_medium=sfbk&utm_campaign=ge2017_geo_fb15&CMP_TU=mawns&CMP_BUNIT=edtrl
Old article but the recent comments are worth wading through, nice to see akers-belcher dragged into the spotlight in a national and online news paper.
QuoteMr A-B paralysed the town in the name of labour.
Many contributors look familiar, even if they have opted to use different names ;)
deja vu?
https://youtu.be/3fj-HtQSkFE
I remember hearing one MP (Alan Johnson ?) being asked a 'gotcha' numbers question and he simply answered that he had no idea of the correct number and he had no intention of making a fool of himself winging it and pretending he did. For me I never attach too much importance to these blunders and I know all too well how you can be flumoxed by simple calculations that you can nearly always do in your head in a split second.
I also believe May has shown she has a complete lack of backbone whenever she meets any real opposition. Her 'U-Turn on the Dementia Tax bodes ill for her Brexit negotiations and she flat out refused to explain if she was a innner or outer to Paxman the other night. Merkel will eat her alive and the new-found French & German assertiveness on the primacy of Europe over both Trump and its poodle the UK was refreshing.
The Dementia Tax is a con and May should have stuck to her guns. What has happened is that well off people now in their 50s have been told that they are going to becomes very much more well-off because when their parents go ga-ga and have to go in an institution they get to keep the value of the house whilst everyone else pays to keep mummy and daddy in nappies. It is welfare for the middle classes.
We must remember that the only reason that Theresa May called this election was because of Brexit. She wants a clear path to hopefully negotiate a hard Brexit which is what I hope most of this Town voted for in last year's Referendum. Other features in their manifesto could be dropped as necessary during the next Parliament.
At least we could vote the next Government out if not to our liking in 2022 or earlier but we would not be able to vote out of the EUSSR again probably ever. Merkel and Juncker would change the rules to ensure that.
I am confident that the Conservatives will form the next Government as it would be unimaginable to have the only alternative of Commie Corbyn backed up by Farron and Sturgeon in power.
I agree with earlier points that we could make this seat in Hartlepool a true marginal and that it may get assistance from Central Government to keep it that way. We certainly will not get any help from the Tees Valley setup as we all know everything will be Smoggie bound unless our Culture Attaché manages to get 2p out of the budgets and claims it a success. His unbelievable appointment was the main discussion point in the club the other night.
Quote from: mala on May 30, 2017, 11: PM
We must remember that the only reason that Theresa May called this election was because of Brexit.
No. May spent months saying there was no need for an election and then suddenly 'changed her mind'. I believe the proper term is 'U-Turn. She is week and fickle. She called an election for 2 reasons.
1 She thought she had a 20 point lead and would walk it. That lead is shrinking daily.
2. She wants to get enough MPs so she can isolate her own bong-eyed looney EU haters and pursue her own belief that the UK must stay in the EU Customs Union. She is hoping to get enough sane MPs to weather the problems the nutter will cause her.
Note that if you are a member of the Customs Union you
have to submit to the EU Courts as they settle all disputes.
I am quite looking forward to the gnashing of teeth and wailing of the one issue obsessives as May pursues her real aim of keeping the UK in the 'EU' in everything but name.
Have an allegedly unpopular policy and plough on you get slagged off. Bow to 'popular ' pressure and listen to and concede to their wishes and you are a weak U turner.
That's politics, the equivalent of demanding an apology, getting it, and throwing it back in your face.
Posturing.
Hartlepool sitting on the back benches of a barely functioning opposition for the next five years will do nothing for the town.
Quote from: mk1 on May 30, 2017, 11: PM
Quote from: mala on May 30, 2017, 11: PM
We must remember that the only reason that Theresa May called this election was because of Brexit.
No. May spent months saying there was no need for an election and then suddenly 'changed her mind'. I believe the proper term is 'U-Turn. She is week and fickle. She called an election for 2 reasons.
1 She thought she had a 20 point lead and would walk it. That lead is shrinking daily.
2. She wants to get enough MPs so she can isolate her own bong-eyed looney EU haters and pursue her own belief that the UK must stay in the EU Customs Union. She is hoping to get enough sane MPs to weather the problems the nutter will cause her.
Note that if you are a member of the Customs Union you have to submit to the EU Courts as they settle all disputes.
I am quite looking forward to the gnashing of teeth and wailing of the one issue obsessives as May pursues her real aim of keeping the UK in the 'EU' in everything but name.
As long as we control our borders, make heavy use of exclusion orders to stop muslim extremist (british or not) re entering the country and the European Court of Justice gets the boot who cares?
I suspect most people who voted for brexit want control to pass back to UK especially control of our borders. The issue of overseas aid is a battle for another day but has not been forgotten.
The idea that you can refuse entry to those already with a British passport shows that you are unfamiliar with international law and the 0.7% commitment to overseas aid is a UN commitment. Fortunately, we live in a country that prides itself on complying with International laws and on meeting its commitments to the UN.
Quote from: marky on May 31, 2017, 08: AM
The idea that you can refuse entry to those already with a British passport shows that you are unfamiliar with international law
Well one of us is...... ;)
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/counter-terrorism-and-security-bill (https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/counter-terrorism-and-security-bill)
QuoteThe act will:
give the police power to temporarily seize a passport at the border, so that they can investigate the individual
create a Temporary Exclusion Order that can temporarily disrupt a British citizen suspected of involvement in terrorist activity abroad from returning to the UK(so that when individuals do return, it is done in a manner which we control)
Quote from: marky on May 31, 2017, 08: AMand the 0.7% commitment to overseas aid is a UN commitment. Fortunately, we live in a country that prides itself on complying with International laws and on meeting its commitments to the UN.
Thanks for the correction...actually it is not an "International Law" it is a target.
http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/press/07.htm (http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/press/07.htm)
Guess which nations actually meet the target?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/790740/UK-spends-more-than-three-times-foreign-aid-than-rest-of-world (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/790740/UK-spends-more-than-three-times-foreign-aid-than-rest-of-world)
QuoteOne in every eight pounds spent in handouts to poor countries around the world is funded by the British taxpayer, the latest figures by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) have revealed.
While Britain had a major funding crisis in schools and hospitals the Government was still able to spend more than £13billion on foreign countries in 2016.
This was from a total worldwide aid budget of £100 billion.
Read that again..... total £100 billion of which Britain provides £13 billion.
Like it or not, a lot of people think this is an election issue and that should it should be discusses/addressed/reformed/stopped.
You should be more honest and just say out loud that you don't like giving money to brown people. If the UK paid 0.7% of its GDP to foreign countries for the next 100 years, it still wouldn't come close to paying back what it had ripped off from those countries in the past.
Quote from: marky on May 31, 2017, 11: AM
You should be more honest and just say out loud that you don't like giving money
I don't
like wish to be forced into
giving money to wasting money on countries that do not need it like oil rich countries.the PLO, Pakistan and India.
Quote from: marky on May 31, 2017, 11: AM
to brown people.
Ahhh what a surprise the race card....again....how boring....can't you think of some reasonable counter argument? ...Next.
Saying that you want the money to be better targeted is a lot different to saying that you resent paying any of it in the first place. Also, comparing one country with another is just like the greedy kid who makes sure he doesn't share more of his sweets than others do. Some countries, like Japan,don't give cash directly but pay invoices for equipment and food etc. Maybe this is how the UK should do things but at the end of the day, either you believe in helping others or you don't. I'm happy to live in a country where even the least well off regularly contribute to charities and disaster funds simply because it's in their nature - pity it isn't in yours.
Well Marky, if you were around in the 60s you will know aid was in goods, services and food. But the liberals and intellectuals in this country thought it was demeaning for the recipient countries to receive aid in this way. So cash was given instead and thus the abuse of aid became a serious problem.
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on May 31, 2017, 01: PM
Well Marky, if you were around in the 60s you will know aid was in goods, services and food. But the liberals and intellectuals in this country thought it was demeaning for the recipient countries to receive aid in this way. So cash was given instead and thus the abuse of aid became a serious problem.
There is graft and corruption everywhere. Even UK based charities are defrauded. It is a fact of life and it is an excuse used by those who hate all foreign people(but more so brown ones) in order to try and end all aid.
You can never debate with these loons. No matter how good your argument is they will never shake of their absolute belief in their own superiority over every other nation on earth, They are not against Foreign Aid because they want it better spent they are against foreign aid because they hate foreigners.
Mind you their is one UK 'export' they do support. If you are an innocent in Syria or Iraq they support dropping bombs on you.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-led-coalition-air-strikes-isis-syria-iraq-civilian-deaths-total-latest-mosul-oil-tankers-a7611986.html
"We regret the unintentional loss of civilian lives resulting from coalition efforts to defeat Isis in Iraq and Syria and express our deepest sympathies to the families and others affected by these strikes," a spokesperson said.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/coalition-air-strikes-kill-100-civilians-one-building-mosul/
More than 200 civilians are reported to have been killed in a single US-led coalition raid on Mosul, as the United Nations warns the worst was yet to come for those still trapped in the Iraqi city.
Some 230 bodies of mostly women and children were pulled from three adjoining houses in the Jadida neighbourhood of west Mosul overnight Wednesday and into Thursday morning, according to witnesses. If you are an Afghan wedding party they will send you some fireworks to make it all go with a bang. At least 8 such weddings have been bombed and hundreds killed but hey we said we are sorry what more do they want?
LOL consistent.... ;)
British overseas aid should be controlled not handed out as a target percentage...
I have a simple approach
1 look after number one,as in UK- schools, health service, social care, the needy etc UK Charities may be corrupt but at least the can be investigated and prosecuted in UK.
2 Supply humanitarian assistance where needed- oddly not to countries that are funding space programs Brown,Black or sky blue pink I don't care.
3. Protect our borders, exclude ANYONE who is a perceived threat. The various arguments that we caused all of the worlds problems and should reap the whirl wind are just plan nonsense.
I really don't care if others think we should "pay the price for the empire".
The issue needs to be faced and addressed it really is the elephant in the corner of the room and it is being ignored.
Unfortunately the Ukippers are the only ones who are prepared to address the problem and 99% of their "candidates" do actually appear to be bong eyed loonies.= have to agree with MK1 on that and I can't vote for them.
If Mother Theresa had said" We will reexamine our commitment to overseas aid" a lot of people would have sat up and listened.= Can't vote for them.
Citizen Corbyn assisted by Diane "I don't have an afro anymore or a CSE in maths" Abbot,god help us, are slowly closing the gap with the possibility of the days of the "winter of discontent" and bending over to militant trade unionists returning. = So again can't vote for them.
Pity Lawrence isn't still with us- he would have made a better candidate than the ones we have standing in Hartlepool .
Leaving the Independent candidates?
I look forward to the usual bong eyed racist loonies comments with a smattering of "brow" thrown in. As I said = Consistent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN1STgQXW8
Again we agree with regards to Mother Theresa....not to be trusted.
How on earth do you come to that conclusion mk1? All I did was point out that aid from the UK in the 60s was in kind and not in cash. You really need to read the comments and stop putting words into other people's mouths
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on May 31, 2017, 06: PM
How on earth do you come to that conclusion mk1? All I did was point out that aid from the UK in the 60s was in kind and not in cash. You really need to read the comments and stop putting words into other people's mouths
I did say
'It is a fact of life and it is an excuse used by those who hate all foreign people....'.
The sobriquet 'loon' is self-selecting. If you recognise yourself it is addressed to you. If you don't think it applies to you then obviously it is not aimed at you.
I think the confusion arises when you conflate an open forum with many contributors with a personal one-to-one conversation.
Quote from: mk1 on May 31, 2017, 06: PM
I think the confusion arises when you conflate an open forum with many contributors with a personal one-to-one conversation.
√ Another reason why this type of open forum discussion is infinitely better than the lunacy on twatter and Facialbook.
Please remember when voting on June 8 for Corbynism that Communism/ Socialism does not work because :-
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! (unless you're Dianne Abbott)
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Quote from: mala on May 31, 2017, 09: PM
Please remember when voting on June 8 for Corbynism that Communism/ Socialism does not work because :-
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! (unless you're Dianne Abbott)
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Ding-bats are out again.
The dogma of a Right-wing US Religious Fundamentalist Christian nutter who died in 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Rogers
Who..........................ran a tax exempt money making con-game!
You sound a lot like mad George Springer. Are you him?
Here are the exact same quotes being used in a US Election in 2012 and it is taken from a 1984 sermon by the nutty Pastor Adrian Pierce Rogers.
(https://s7.postimg.org/e6qjj60av/otu09321.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/e6qjj60av/)
Despite never being active in national politics, I today received a personally addressed letter (via Royal Mail) from an organisation called HOPE not hate. This letter is urging a vote 'against the politics of fear and hate' and mentions UKIP's 'growing extremism' and mentions that 'while UKIP is collapsing nationally, it could still poll as much as 20% locally'.
It concludes with the statement 'let's reject the politics of hate on 8 June and show UKIP their message has no resonance around here'.'
Wonder how many Hartlepool residents also get this letter? Am waiting for call back from them to find out more. They've obviously spent time and money on this - to send missives to addresses unconnected to national politics/campaigns is surely quite speculative project.
Another nail in the UKIP coffin.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on June 01, 2017, 01: PM
Despite never being active in national politics, I today received a personally addressed letter (via Royal Mail) from an organisation called HOPE not hate. This letter is urging a vote 'against the politics of fear and hate' and mentions UKIP's 'growing extremism' and mentions that 'while UKIP is collapsing nationally, it could still poll as much as 20% locally'.
It concludes with the statement 'let's reject the politics of hate on 8 June and show UKIP their message has no resonance around here'.'
Wonder how many Hartlepool residents also get this letter? Am waiting for call back from them to find out more. They've obviously spent time and money on this - to send missives to addresses unconnected to national politics/campaigns is surely quite speculative project.
Another nail in the UKIP coffin.
To date I have received 3 UKIP flyers and nothing from any other party.
After the election, the voters will be the ones accused of apathy !!!
Neither a knock on the door or the rattle of the letter box from any of the parties........
Quote from: fred c on June 01, 2017, 02: PM
Neither a knock on the door or the rattle of the letter box from any of the parties........
Same here - the only thing I've had is the anti-UKIP letter from a third party!
Sorry about that, you should have received something by now. What areas do you live in?
Quote from: AndyHagon on June 01, 2017, 02: PM
Sorry about that, you should have received something by now. What areas do you live in?
Andy, due to inaccessible letter boxes, it's usual to get no leaflets in parts of the Marina area. Only those with large budgets to fund Royal Mail delivery can get past this, and even that's rare (or non-existent this time around).