https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6174279/How-one-murder-left-bloody-trail-led-detectives-arrest-700-dealers.html
'Norwich has one of the highest rates of deaths from illegal drugs in the country. The only towns nationwide with a higher rate are Swansea, Port Talbot and Hartlepool'.
Where does Healthwatch fit in with the drugs problem......
Healthwatch continues to serve its primary purpose of providing an income source for the Akers-Belcher household.
What do they actually do ?
Do they have professional medical experience?
If not, it's s bit like awarding for Air Sea Rescue to a Ballet Academy.
I think that it follows the business plan of all of their enterprises,con the gullable "volunteers" into doing all of the work for free and then pocket whatever they can cream off from the funding for themselves as "managers".In this case I think there are at least some medical professionals amongst the volunteers.
So basically the6're just figureheads.
Defined as a carved wooden decoration, pointing the way but totally incapable of doing anything else.
Sounds about right.
Hartlepool is outperforming all in the area
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Of course they do something Inspector ,they "manage" these things don't manage themselves you know and if there is a funding stream available someone has to exploit it.
This is what the claim to do
"Healthwatch is the new independent consumer champion created to gather and represent the views of the public. Healthwatch will play a role at both national and local level and will make sure that the views of the public and people who use services are taken into account"
Simple view a talking shop that doesn't prevent the slow destruction of towns health infrastructure, but with such leadership what can we expect
We haven't got a cat in Hell's chance then. We need a battler not a windbag.
The cheapest and safest option for drug addict treatment is to give addicts their Heroin as a prescription and do away with Methadone. A junkie only becomes a problem when he can not get his fix. Smokers denied tabs are physical wrecks but with a packet-a-day are normal productive people. Trouble is there are those who would rather spend £100 to deny someone else of £1 worth of 'free stuff'. They have no long view and their only desire is to take away any benefit not going to them and their friends.
If you remove drug addict burglars then the crime figures would drop substantially. The benefits of prescribed drugs are obvious and yet it would be political suicide for any Politician to recommend it as a solution.
Heroin was prescribed till the 1960's till the law changed, prior to that it was't the problem it is today. I do however obe t to the idea bring proposed by a growing number of politicians to legalise all drugs and they can then be taxed. We're cutting down on smoking and drinking is falling too, do they want to bring in another problem.?
Quote from: mk1 on September 17, 2018, 05: PM
The cheapest and safest option for drug addict treatment is to give addicts their Heroin as a prescription and do away with Methadone. A junkie only becomes a problem when he can not get his fix. Smokers denied tabs are physical wrecks but with a packet-a-day are normal productive people. Trouble is there are those who would rather spend £100 to deny someone else of £1 worth of 'free stuff'. They have no long view and their only desire is to take away any benefit not going to them and their friends.
If you remove drug addict burglars then the crime figures would drop substantially. The benefits of prescribed drugs are obvious and yet it would be political suicide for any Politician to recommend it as a solution.
Quote from: Topcat on September 17, 2018, 10: AM
Healthwatch continues to serve its primary purpose of providing an income source for the Akers-Belcher househcold.
HBC HAVE TAKEN OVER THE RUNNING OF THE DRUG AND ALCHOHOL CENTRE AND I HAVE HEARD THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ALL HEROIN ADDICTS OFF METHADONE THEY ARE STOPPING IT IF 2 MINS LATE OR EVEN IF YOU HAVE A GENUINE REASON ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY SPEAKING TO A EX ADDICT THEY SAID WATCH THE CRIME RATE IN THE TOWN RISE
There are extremely strict rules about the administration of methadone - there's no wriggle room. The article below (although not recent) gives a bit of an insight into the problems pharmacists etc. face.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/may/03/sarahboseley
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on September 17, 2018, 07: PM
There are extremely strict rules about the administration of methadone - there's no wriggle room. The article below (although not recent) gives a bit of an insight into the problems pharmacists etc. face.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/may/03/sarahboseley
whitby street do not dispense methadone addicts have to attend fortnightly and if you are slightly late you script is voided so you have to go through the system again taking 6 weeks in the mean time addicts use again but a lot do not go back
The staff/caseworkers are quite adept at differentiating between the people who are there for genuine help as opposed to the people who generally just abuse the system and the help on offer (which is probably the majority).
Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late.
The service is far from perfect, however a lot of the issues with it arise from the need to confirm to national legislation, as mk1 alluded to.
Quote from: diSme on September 17, 2018, 09: PM
The staff/caseworkers are quite adept at differentiating between the people who are there for genuine help as opposed to the people who generally just abuse the system and the help on offer (which is probably the majority).
Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late.
The service is far from perfect, however a lot of the issues with it arise from the need to confirm to national legislation, as mk1 alluded to.
(Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late). sorry but they are penalised wether making progress or not i have first hand knowledge of this even the drug and alcohol councilors admit the system is flawed
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 18, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: diSme on September 17, 2018, 09: PM
The staff/caseworkers are quite adept at differentiating between the people who are there for genuine help as opposed to the people who generally just abuse the system and the help on offer (which is probably the majority).
Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late.
The service is far from perfect, however a lot of the issues with it arise from the need to confirm to national legislation, as mk1 alluded to.
(Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late). sorry but they are penalised wether making progress or not i have first hand knowledge of this even the drug and alcohol councilors admit the system is flawed
I also have first-hand experience, as a service user (not proud, but it's the truth), and this is how I found it to be. Albeit, that was 2 or 3 years ago now, however I still have a friend who attends fortnightly for alcohol addiction and his outlook on the service is similar to mine.
Perhaps the difference between people's experiences is because some people take the time to make a phonecall if they're running late or need to change an appointment.
That said, I do remember an occasion where I completely missed an appointment due to an error on my part, and as a result my caseworker simply rang me and booked in another appointment in for me, without any upset or change to the treatment I was recieving...
Quote from: diSme on September 18, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 18, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: diSme on September 17, 2018, 09: PM
The staff/caseworkers are quite adept at differentiating between the people who are there for genuine help as opposed to the people who generally just abuse the system and the help on offer (which is probably the majority).
Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late.
The service is far from perfect, however a lot of the issues with it arise from the need to confirm to national legislation, as mk1 alluded to.
(Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late). sorry but they are penalised wether making progress or not i have first hand knowledge of this even the drug and alcohol councilors admit the system is flawed
I also have first-hand experience, as a service user (not proud, but it's the truth), and this is how I found it to be. Albeit, that was 2 or 3 years ago now, however I still have a friend who attends fortnightly for alcohol addiction and his outlook on the service is similar to mine.
Perhaps the difference between people's experiences is because some people take the time to make a phonecall if they're running late or need to change an appointment.
That said, I do remember an occasion where I completely missed an appointment due to an error on my part, and as a result my caseworker simply rang me and booked in another appointment in for me, without any upset or change to the treatment I was recieving...
think its 3 strikes and your out even if you have good reasons wether you ring or not over 52 weeks just what i have experienced over the last 6 months this is the drugs side of it though
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 18, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: diSme on September 18, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on September 18, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: diSme on September 17, 2018, 09: PM
The staff/caseworkers are quite adept at differentiating between the people who are there for genuine help as opposed to the people who generally just abuse the system and the help on offer (which is probably the majority).
Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late.
The service is far from perfect, however a lot of the issues with it arise from the need to confirm to national legislation, as mk1 alluded to.
(Somebody who is making positive progress and regularly submitting clean samples will not ordinarily be penalised for missing an appointment or for running a little late). sorry but they are penalised wether making progress or not i have first hand knowledge of this even the drug and alcohol councilors admit the system is flawed
I also have first-hand experience, as a service user (not proud, but it's the truth), and this is how I found it to be. Albeit, that was 2 or 3 years ago now, however I still have a friend who attends fortnightly for alcohol addiction and his outlook on the service is similar to mine.
Perhaps the difference between people's experiences is because some people take the time to make a phonecall if they're running late or need to change an appointment.
That said, I do remember an occasion where I completely missed an appointment due to an error on my part, and as a result my caseworker simply rang me and booked in another appointment in for me, without any upset or change to the treatment I was recieving...
think its 3 strikes and your out even if you have good reasons wether you ring or not over 52 weeks just what i have experienced over the last 6 months this is the drugs side of it though
I actually think 3 strikes is pretty fair.
It may well have changed since I used the service, which was also on the drugs side of it. I was on methadone treatment for opiate addiction. I would like to think that the caseworkers/management would be able to use to use a little discretion before enforcing any such rules or requirements, but again, I'm out of the loop now (fortunately).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45557730
Can I say I also support the prescribing of heroin to addicts, I don't do drugs or alcohol but the current system has not only let addicts down its let society down.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on September 18, 2018, 03: PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45557730
Can I say I also support the prescribing of heroin to addicts, I don't do drugs or alcohol but the current system has not only let addicts down its let society down.
It has proven to be a highly successful approach in the (very) few places it has been trialled.
One only has to look at the history of Professor David Nutt to appreciate that the current governmental stance on drugs in general is failing miserably.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on September 18, 2018, 03: PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45557730
Can I say I also support the prescribing of heroin to addicts, I don't do drugs or alcohol but the current system has not only let addicts down its let society down.
i also support the prescribing of heroin to addicts, I don't do drugs or alcohol either but like you say geoff it has let genuine addicts that do want to reduce down and also let society down