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That's the number of hustings events held so far and the number that Stephen Picton has sidestepped.

There were some interesting reports back from the 6th Form event yesterday and I'm looking forward to hearing about the EMS one today.

Does Iain Wright keep taking him up on the taxi for Iain offer ?

The Hustings at Eskdale Academy was cancelled for some reason.

James, you will see that I have mentioned on your Facebook forum that we never received the invitation to H6FC and EMS for both hustings.  I am currently investigating as to why the emails were never received.

However, what does concern me a little is the one sided nature of your post.  For example, neither the Lib Dem candidate, Mrs Allison nor Mr Hobbs have attended either, yet you and your associates appear to be fixated on Mr Picton.  Just ask yourself, how many times has the word Picton been mentioned on your forum?

Is there a particular reason for this ?

Is it because you hear the word on the street that people are voting for Mr Picton and there is a chance that he may just cause an upset here or at least come a very good and strong second ?

I am all for having scrutiny on those who put themselves up for office, scrutiny of ALL.

I've long since suspected that the Hartlepool Politics Facebook page was set-up as some sort of recommended, remedial therapy for certain people; somewhere where they could play out their OCD after being banned from just about every other social media channel.

Long-term readers of this site will know that it all started with Blackwood and Campbell's unhealthy obsession with David Riddle and, in my view, it was Riddle's declared open support for Picton that caused that obsession to transfer to Picton.

I am totally convinced that if Riddle announced that he was a fan of black pudding then Blackwood and Campbell would soon be all over the internet targeting any butcher's that sell it. 

I like blackpudding, especially the ones with large chunks of white fat in them.  I also like white pudding.  I'm also partial to a warm savory duck with pease pudding, however, I've never liked faggots in gravy.

The word on the street that people are voting for Mr Picton and there is a chance that he may just cause an upset here or at least come a very good and strong second ?


That may have been the word on the street yesterday, the word on the street today is that Picton is about to bail.

The word on the street is that he now realises he has been conned by 'a few good men' working for their own aims and used him as a patsy. The word on the street is that he is talking with real friends and actually listening. The word on the street is that he now realises and understands and wants to make sure that his supporters totally understand why he will quit with less than 2 weeks to go, and that his real integrity remains.

I really hope that is the decision he is able to take. He is a good man, a very good man, but the toll on his heart and his mind and his character this last 3/4 months has been difficult to see

Never heard such rubbish in my life.  Mr Picton is in this for the long haul and putting every effort in.

Hmm - his so-called withdrawal sounds like a bit of wishful thinking on the part of the opposition to me; wonder if the source is the same people who comment on his non-appearance at events he wasn't invited to in the first place? ::)

"That may have been the word on the street yesterday, the word on the street today is that Picton is about to bail."

Actually, people have been trying hard to MAKE this rubbish 'the word on the street' for about 3 weeks. Picton is being trolled by the usual suspects on various Facebook sites and he's decided that its distracting people from the real purpose of individual sites - particularly the TOHC site which is heavily focussed on the Hospital Issue as anyone can see in today's Mail.

I think it says a lot about the guy that he's willing to opt out of sites rather than allow the trolls who are stalking him around the internet to disrupt the campaigning efforts of others.
 

Some people have just not woke up to the world of social media.

It is 100 times more difficult to lie and get away with it than it used to be.

I can see social media being the downfall of the Labour-Con coalition as they are living in the dark ages, thinking they can still get away with it.

1000s of people talking like to each other inside and outside of groups.
It has got to add up to some big vote shifts.

QuoteSome people have just not woke up to the world of social media.

It is 100 times more difficult to lie and get away with it than it used to be.

I can see social media being the downfall of the Labour-Con coalition as they are living in the dark ages, thinking they can still get away with it.

1000s of people talking like to each other inside and outside of groups.
It has got to add up to some big vote shifts.

I agree with all of that. There are Labour councillors who literally do not use (or cannot use) e-mail, let alone find their way around a facebook page or twitter. Interesting times.

QuoteI've long since suspected that the Hartlepool Politics Facebook page was set-up as some sort of recommended, remedial therapy for certain people; somewhere where they could play out their OCD after being banned from just about every other social media channel.

Long-term readers of this site will know that it all started with Blackwood and Campbell's unhealthy obsession with David Riddle and, in my view, it was Riddle's declared open support for Picton that caused that obsession to transfer to Picton.

I am totally convinced that if Riddle announced that he was a fan of black pudding then Blackwood and Campbell would soon be all over the internet targeting any butcher's that sell it.

I find the obsessive trolling/interaction I 'suffer' from the local suspects mildly amusing. It's weird, odd, potentially worrying behaviour in many respects, but I just find it funny that I appear to be on the mind of certain people so much. Especially given they haven't even met me and know little or nothing about me.

If I ever do actually meet Mr Blackwood in person, in many respects I'd like to THANK him. His relentless preoccupation with me in the run up to last years election just made me all the more determined to win. I also know for a fact it galvanised a lot of PHF supporters and they made damn sure they made the effort to get to the ballot box partly to wind him up.

However, overall, as well as my gratitude he mostly has my pity and empathy. 

Quote from: DRiddle on April 24, 2015, 01: PM



If I ever do actually meet Mr Blackwood in person, in many respects I'd like to THANK him. His relentless preoccupation with me in the run up to last years election just made me all the more determined to win.

Yes he busted a gut on his Twitter feed when you won. He never recovered from this drubbing. It was a mercy killing when he finally  got  kicked off Twitter.
Has anyone got a full list of the sites where Harry has been banned?

Paul,

Fair comment re: Allison and Hobbs, however neither are serious candidates (Hobbs is a single issue anti-vaccination campaigner) and both announced too late to be invited to the PRA hustings so it's hardly fair to level the three out of three accusation at them, especially as I understand Mr Hobbs actually attended EMS today.

'I am currently investigating as to why the emails were never received.'

Both the 6th Form and and EMS hustings have been public knowledge for awhile, if I were Stephen's agent I'd have checked well beforehand that he'd received an invite and had his diary cleared to ensure that he could put all the rumoours of his weakness for public speaking to bed.  If he hadn't received an invite, I'd have been busting a gut to contact the organisers to get him involved.

Steve

'Long-term readers of this site will know that it all started with Blackwood and Campbell's unhealthy obsession with David Riddle and, in my view, it was Riddle's declared open support for Picton that caused that obsession to transfer to Picton.'

Not at all.  I didn't know David Riddle was anything to do with Stephen Picton when I first made contact with Stephen and had formed opinions of his potential and actual candidacy.

'I think it says a lot about the guy that he's willing to opt out of sites rather than allow the trolls who are stalking him around the internet to disrupt the campaigning efforts of others.'

Funny that a huge percentage of the people you accuse of trolling Mr Picton were founder members of the TOHC group and were subsequently banned without explanation from that group before he even announced.  Since those people are banned, there's little trolling or disruption going on on TOHC that I am aware of anyway.

Lord Elpus

'I've long since suspected that the Hartlepool Politics Facebook page was set-up as some sort of recommended, remedial therapy for certain people; somewhere where they could play out their OCD after being banned from just about every other social media channel.'

That group was set up by award winning journalist and son of Mary Fleet, John Fleet to discuss politics with the ethos of total free speech within legal boundaries.  It was a fresh idea since many other such groups are heavily moderated to ensure that only the 'correct' opinions are aired. He asked me to be admin and I agreed.

As far as I am aware, very few of the 450+ members are banned from any social media channels.  Several are contributors here.

A certain leader of a Hartlepool Political group did like to use it as a place to troll and sling mental health slurs around though.

MK1

'It was a mercy killing when he finally  got  kicked off Twitter.'

Err he hasn't been kicked off Twitter.  He has stopped using Twitter, but he hasn't been kicked off.

'I've long since suspected that the Hartlepool Politics Facebook page was set-up as some sort of recommended, remedial therapy for certain people; somewhere where they could play out their OCD after being banned from just about every other social media channel.'

It appears you are attributing these comments to me, I don't recall ever making them.  Can you please quote the source.  I'm not saying I don't agree with the comment, just I don't think I made them.

What do you feel are the pressing concerns of us British residents?

I'd say it's UKIP members absolutely fixated with immigration.

Perhaps you'd like to explain why a certain person spent literally hundreds of hours a month on twitter, tweeted hundreds of times a day, then suddenly . . . Stopped.

Would you like to explain that James? Or shall I?

Please make this a grown up poll and not one for yet again, spurious complaints from those determined to take away any good and leave everything tarnished like the bully boys they are.
You could agree to meet me however and we can chat face to face :-*

Why did you feel the need to say "us British residents?", and also, do you classify my sister-in-law who is BME (Indian) as one of "us British residents?" 

Lord Elpus

Apologies, I wrongly attributed Steve's comment to you. The browser I am using does not display posters names at the minute unless I hover over the post for some reason and I was foolishly rushing my post before I had to go somewhere.

As for Harry's Twitter ban:

(http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah313/0094994/blackwood_zpsprqmxzuz.jpg)

(I sanitised the language, probably to Harry's disapproval but I don't want to be banned....Oh wait)

Pathetic. Why did he partake in a 'self imposed' ban from twitter then James? Tell the readers . . .

Jimmy Riddle might be myopic in his views but at least he had the guts to almost vote.
Like someone almost scoring a goal but better than those who just want to be entertained without contributing anything

In what respect are my views shortsighted?

Someone who is living in Britain is a British resident... good grief man get a grip!
They could come from Mars, as long as they are residing... a resident... in Britain.

What about the economy?

Thanks, now lets get some scores on the doors

He obviously had his reasons. 

I know he's been a bit busy with another project since he stopped using Twitter but I can't speak for him other than that I know he decided himself that he no longer wanted to use Twitter.

Why don't you tell the readers why YOU think he stopped using Twitter?

Jimmy, vote and move on.
Is that so hard?

You need to add big business and corporations not paying appropriate levels of tax to the list.

Thanks Jimmy

They already know what I think.

If they DID, many of the things on your list could be potentially tackled. Or at least addressed in some meaningful way.

All mouth and no love spuds again then Dave eh?

Troll elsewhere James.

Jimmy, are you going to vote or chew the fat all night... I'm on a promise so for heaven's sake vote!

Oh, by the way Jimmy, I'm not a UKIP member: didn't want you to be getting your facts wrong matey

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 24, 2015, 06: PM
Oh, by the way Jimmy, I'm not a UKIP member: didn't want you to be getting your facts wrong matey

From what I've seen of them, all UKIPPERS are members  ;)

Quote from: DRiddle on April 24, 2015, 06: PM
Pathetic. Why did he partake in a 'self imposed' ban from twitter then James? Tell the readers . . .

Self-imposed?
Yes that must be why it ended so abruptly last October.

https://twitter.com/blamedandshamed

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 24, 2015, 06: PM
Oh, by the way Jimmy, I'm not a UKIP member: didn't want you to be getting your facts wrong matey

Obviously you are not a UKIP member, you can spell properly.
However your grasp of the history of the UK is very poor. Fancy not knowing King Richard was only Duke Of Normandy and a subject of a more powerful (proto-French) King.

I guess we'll never work out the reason eh James?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11134162/Investigation-into-McCann-internet-trolls-launched-by-police.html

Quote from: SRMoore on April 24, 2015, 06: PM
What about the economy?

Did you deliberately miss out the last word (stupid) so that UKIPpers would not feel it was addressed to them personaly?

David,

It's not my decision/argument to defend, I merely passed on what Harry had posted on Facebook to correct the inaccurate statement made by MK1.

This is all getting conveniently off topic though......

perhaps its just that the police don't allow laptop's in their cells... ::)

It appears that someone is following this thread....

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sorry James but we're not having Blackwood posting on here using you as a proxy

For the record, Keith Dawkins doesn't have a Facebook account and so has never posted anything.

It seems to be a characteristic of this election that we have a few people making use of social media to spread false rumours about others. We've already seen it with incorrect stories about Picton and now we have others being targeted.

Last week, we were made aware of a completely fake Facebook account which had been set up in the name of Steve Fleet who edits the Hartlepool Post. There was only one posting on the account which was a fascist rant of some description which I suspect was composed by a friend of this forum's (sic) who is finding his writing talents in low demand these days.

Steve chose to ignore it but a week later the National Health Action Pary candidate in Headland and Harbour was posting on the Hartlepool Politics site quoting from the same fake account but this time linking PHF to the Hartlepool Post and its editor. I'm aware that I could have whoever this guy is (I've actually forgotten his name, such is the impact his campaign is having in the ward) for all kinds of breaches of election law but instead I'll content myself with a nice phone call to him over the weekend.

The point is that there are people out there who last year, were telling us all not to vote at all; this year they're trying a new tactic which is to use social media to spread false information about candidates and others having realised that social media is the ideal way to do so without responsibility; they are now busying themselves doing just that.

Remember James. 'We keep you alive to serve this ship.' Pre-mod is always just a few clicks away.

Steve,

I thought I'd made it clear in my earlier post that it wasn't Keith Dawkins throwing mental health slurs about.

For the avoidance of doubt:  Keith Dawkins was most definitely not the person I was referring to.

As for pre-mod, I'll take that as a friendly warning, although I'm not sure what, line I am crossing here?

If you could point me or one of the other Hartlepool Politics admins in the general direction of this fake profile, one of us will make the appropriate investigations and take action if necessary.

I'd appreciate if we could get back on topic. 

There was a topic?

I thought it was about various butchers puddings, I also enjoy that Scots delicacy, fruit pudding, fried with crispy bacon.

who on earth is this Stephen Picton, the people of Hartlepool and this country are in my opinion going to make the greatest decision in less than 2 weeks than you can comprehend,  its either give us our country back, I only of course refer to FREEDOMS Fought and died for, I of course would like you to consider the government you elect may not be so accommodating, they governments ( all been tried before ) some are more equal than others now where have I heard that before.

Your posts read like Japanese Knotweed, Tom.

Here is something to help Tom.
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Put a few of them in every future post!

Once again the scum rises to try to put off genuine people of this area.
Don't feel intimidated by them because they are just trying to be cyber bullies as they wouldn't dare speak face to face with genuine people because they might feel intimidated.
Obviously it is them who are fixated with UKIP otherwise they wouldn't rabbit on so much about them.
This poll isn't about any particular party.
They either know that and are trying to scare off good people or they are too thick to realise.
Thankyou all you genuine people who have taken time to look think and vote.
Keep it up please as the poll is time sensitive

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 24, 2015, 10: PM
who on earth is this Stephen Picton, the people of Hartlepool and this country are in my opinion going to make the greatest decision in less than 2 weeks than you can comprehend,  its either give us our country back, I only of course refer to FREEDOMS Fought and died for, I of course would like you to consider the government you elect may not be so accommodating, they governments ( all been tried before ) some are more equal than others now where have I heard that before.

So Tom, are you a blackpudding fan? 

I think the golden rule of not posting when one has had a few too many sherberts should apply in this case.

Good luck with your voting: so far it's creating an interesting picture.
thanks again for those who have taken the trouble to vote in our poll

Thanks everyone for making for an interesting poll.
There is a time limit on it but you can still vote for your opinion.
Democracy in progress... words not used for very many years!

Northerners making sacrifices for the Southerners? Hilarious!

Well wiseowl,  I don't understand your inclusion "Northerners making sacrifices for Southerners."

The South raises considerably more in taxes than does the North. If we didn't have the South to subsidise us we would be more than poor, we would be destitute! Either that or all wages would disappear in taxes.

Thanks for putting across your views and taking part.
Maybe a look at the fact that £200 is spent per capita in the North and £5,000 for instance in London might elucidate, but somehow this was already known.
The fact that in the South the cosy tory cabal has had a great time whilst us up North have been sh!t on.
That is for another day, but now back to the poll please

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 25, 2015, 06: PM

The fact that in the South the cosy tory cabal has had a great time whilst us up North have been sh!t on.

Not so. In terms of income tax 60-70% of all taxpayers are a drain on the system. That means roughly 70% of people recieve back from the Government more than they pay in.
You only start being a contributer on 37,000 a year gross.
The middle class are just as much a burden as the chavs!

Your comments have been noted thanks: have you given your attention to the thread and voted?

The top two topics voted by you good people have surprised and enlightened some of us no doubt

Driddle it would appear it's you that has a fixation with UKIP and its immigration policy it is of course to be expected from a local issues party,   and as you and many others know UKIP are not against immigration we do actively encourage it UKIP only has a problem with immigration in respect of and only in respect of MASS immigration it is also a concern of approximately 71% of the British public and may be a pivital voting issue in the forthcoming elections.

Tom, trying reading that out loud in one breath.

Beanzontoast have you voted on here yet on the thread?

Still two points on here are clearly of interest to you the Hartlepool Post forum Electorate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dquwQhUEvk0#t=0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJtkvMcg9GU&feature=player_embedded

The video plays  well to the audience and glosses over Farage being a public schooled banker, not quite the person you expect in a working men's club.

I trust them as far as I could throw any politician.

Quote from: Land Phil on April 26, 2015, 02: PM
The video plays  well to the audience .

But not the voters at large. UKIP are stuck on an average 14% and it will take an absolute miracle for them to obtain any real form of power. Leave them to their delusions.

Quote from: kipperdip on April 26, 2015, 04: PM
ToNigel Farage used to work as a commodity broker in the City can I just remind you of the salient point in that comment - "HE WORKED FOR A LIVING AND BY USING HIS SKILLS HE CREATED WEALTH FOR ALL".

'Created' so much wealth he had to claim it belonged to his brother and move it abroad so as to avoid paying his share of taxation.

Quote from: kipperdip on April 26, 2015, 05: PM
MK1, One of these days you just might (but  I won't hold my breath) make a coherent and relevant comment.............

Entirely relevant and coherent.
Farage tried to shift his money abroad in his brothers name to avoid tax.

Quote from: kipperdip on April 26, 2015, 05: PM
Like a few others on here you have not yet grasped the definition of the word, "DEBATE" - have you?

I know the difference between 'debate' and 'comment'.
I also knew (and you did not) that Churchill did not become Prime Minister in 1939 and that he did not 'declare war on Germany'.

Thanks for voting.
The ones just trying to cause mischief  :-* now go to bee boes and don't wet the bed again!

The rest the majority thank the Lord, thanks for your input.

I am not particularly anti UKIP, just observing they know how to play their audience, reminded me if the way Cameron played the caring family man before getting elected and destroying so many families.

What can we expect if UKIP was to win in Hartlepool, the same deafening silence we get from the UKIP councillors ?

In my opinion UKIP are the only party trying to win the Hartlepool seat, the rest have hardly been visible through my letterbox in comparison.

Talking to Philip Broughton a number of times he has a lot of good arguments to try and convince me to vote for him.
In comparison I have chased Labour away for trying to lie to me about current problems in the party.

if it was a 2 horse race I would back anybody other than Labour, including UKIP.
as it is the voting slip is a mess with overlapping candidates failing to show they care more about Hartlepool than themselves.

Oh! LP Haven't you met, heard or seen Richard Royal? He's been around the town a lot. It's a pity if you haven't because he is the most credible candidate. Suggest you go to St George's Tuesday evening and have a word with him - you might be pleasantly surprised.

But then he is a Conservative.

I sent an e-mail to Richard Royal asking why I should vote for him when all the Tory Councillors allways support the Labour group.
I.e. Can I expect any better from him.

He never replied so I forgot about him.

The thread is about a poll of the twenty categories 2 stand out.
There are a number of candidates standing and only one represents an honest party who aren't scared of the establishment and the Westminster cronies.
Only one wants to get away from the sh!t heap that is the EU
Only one is concerned with the people it represents
UKIP

The topic, was that Stephen Picton, the PPC of choice for many PHF member and leading lights such as David Riddle and Geoff Lilley. The man who has been urging all of his supporters to vote PHF but has no links to PHF has ducked yet another opportunity to speak in public.

I can see the advantage of voting for Picton. To me, the main thing is to make a statement that Hartlepool as a parliamentary seat must  be won and not taken for granted. Iain Wright and Labour have done nothing for this town in 50 years. If the seat went to Picton I'm sure whichever party forms the next Government would do something to win it next time around.

I could never bring myself to vote UKIP. A look at their 2010 manifesto would explain why. They are just as cynical as the Tory and Labour parties but come complete with a hefty dose of bigotry and ignorance thrown in.

UKIP represent the very worst of human nature - tribalism and ignorance in one bigoted package.

Still two issues out of twenty are ahead of the rest.
Thanks for your support everyone

I haven't voted as yer wiseowl

Tribalism and ignorance, isn't that a description if the current mob ?

'I can see the advantage of voting for Picton. To me, the main thing is to make a statement that Hartlepool as a parliamentary seat must  be won and not taken for granted. Iain Wright and Labour have done nothing for this town in 50 years. If the seat went to Picton I'm sure whichever party forms the next Government would do something to win it next time around.'

And in the intervening 5 years you'd have someone who isn't capable of the job but unlike a party member is not afforded the protection of a party (BTW I detest political parties as having a party line defeats the object of representing your constituency).

Anyone taking Hartlepool from Labour will be continually attacked by Labour too.  Labour will do their level best to ensure this person does not succeed.  Therefore you'd need a very strong successor to Wright.

There are too many people with a vested interest who want labour to stay just where they are if they are a fully paid up member of a union for instance, this election is going to be very interesting. Many thanks for who mr. Picton is good luck to all who are standing especially the parliamentary candidates I hope they don't lose their deposits.

that's ok beanz, you do what you feel is right for you.

good luck for when you do.

Land Phil,
2 councillors are a start and there will be more after the elections with cracks already appearing in the Labour vote alarmingly now.
UKIP cares and each person elected is free from any party whip.
The only party without a whip so that they can vote on what is best for the people they represent.
I have learnt a lot from my time working and being with the genuine types.
Watch out for those who touch their nose when they say something... they're lying!

Just had a call from a young man in Hartlepool 26, he his wife and whole family have voted first time for some and they have voted UKIP.

Quote from: Balotelli on April 27, 2015, 02: PM
'I can see the advantage of voting for Picton. To me, the main thing is to make a statement that Hartlepool as a parliamentary seat must  be won and not taken for granted. Iain Wright and Labour have done nothing for this town in 50 years. If the seat went to Picton I'm sure whichever party forms the next Government would do something to win it next time around.'

And in the intervening 5 years you'd have someone who isn't capable of the job but unlike a party member is not afforded the protection of a party (BTW I detest political parties as having a party line defeats the object of representing your constituency).

Anyone taking Hartlepool from Labour will be continually attacked by Labour too.  Labour will do their level best to ensure this person does not succeed.  Therefore you'd need a very strong successor to Wright.

Totally Agree.

There are now three issues neck and neck
I am pleased that you readers are voting and giving your input to help create the overall picture.
Thanks again for your interest and more importantly, your positive action!

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 27, 2015, 03: PM
Just had a call from a young man in Hartlepool 26, he his wife and whole family have voted first time for some and they have voted UKIP.

Please can you tell us exactly what you mean?  First, do you mean the young man is 26, or lives in TS 26?  Next, when did these 'votes' take place and is it relevant to anything?  OR...are you saying that the young man INTENDS to vote UKIP on May 7th?  Did you ask him why he intends to vote/ has voted UKIP?

Im voting UKIP for tactical reasons, the Tories will still be running the country on May 9th in a coalition.

PHF have never and will never have a whip, if you think Tom and George are an example of what we can expect from a ukip Councillors?  If so you FOOKED.

Hartlepool deserves better.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Smile+Nat+King+Cole&Form=VQFRVP

thanks again

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 27, 2015, 06: PM
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Smile+Nat+King+Cole&Form=VQFRVP

thanks again

Still does not alter the fact the two UKIP Councillors have some serious shortfalls

UKIP are a busted flush and will not be able to affect what happens in Westminster any more than Mr Picton. Locally, the existing two UKIP have shown themselves to be a waste of time and have contributed absolutely nothing in the last 12 months. I don't believe that they have made a single proposal or raised a single issue in the council chamber since they were elected.

I've read the posts made on here and it would seem that they themselves do not believe that they can do anything until they have a majority in the council. Worse than that, their posts on this forum suggest an astonishing degree of ignorance; that their world revolves around just two subjects the EU and anything else foreign.

As far as I can see, UKIP have achieved just one thing and that is to demonstrate the abject failure of the British education system.

I think a period of 'consensus' politics is welcome. The middle ground will dominate and the extreme parties will be marginalised. Cameron was successful because he used the Libs to neutralise his loonies and stop them blackmailing him into fruitcake policies. If those people want to defect to UKIP then the Tory Party will be all the better for it.

That's interesting. Why would you, supposedly an ordinary member of the public, be receiving phone calls from random people declaring their intention to vote UKIP?

Lord Elpus,
Will you whinge on your ballet papers or get on with the job in hand?
This is a voting thread... can you grasp that?
Thanks to everyone else for doing what it asks on the box... that would be the ballot box ;)

I thought I was a UKIP promotion page.

Lord Elpud has a point, it might be more about people than issues.

UKIP councillors have  been a bit pathetic which goes to show that it doesn't matter how good your policies are if you don't have the right person behind them.
The UKIP councillor in my ward has not replied to a single one of my e-mails.

Look at the Labour group manipulating the socialist message saying they are doing the best for the people of the town when they are deliberately ignoring common opinion for their own personal benefit.

Look at the conservative group, indistinguishable from Labour.

So wise owl, you ask us to vote on issues when we have evidence that when you vote based on issues and policy you quite often get nothing in return.

Lord lpus, have you voted or are you using the ballot paper for other means?

Even if UKIP had all 33 seats in Hartlepool they wouldn't have a hope in hell of implementing any of their dodgy EU hating policies locally.

More worryingly would be the actually ability of their councillors to do anything meaningful at all.

I've nothing against George and Tom as people. I've chatted with them on occasions in the members lounge and what not. However, I'd be very fearful for the future of the town if we had 33 or even more than a few councillors with that level of political acumen.

What we need are strong personalities, largely irrespective of their wider political affiliation who will work hard and do the right thing.

It's as simple as that really.

A moral compass is what's needed first and foremost.

If Hartlepool had 33 UKIP councillors the corrupt practices would be a thing of Labour and all the other dinosaurs.

Thanks for your input Jimmy, I appreciate your kind words.

If the good people who stand as UKIP can come through the dirty tricks campaign with their heads held high, then they will have proven their worth and strength of character

We need to break the Lab/Con alliance and release their death grip on OUR HBC. It's a pity that some sort of UKIP/PHF alliance hasn't happened, which would have made more likely the end of the current "arrangement". Instead there'll be a split vote, just what Labour wanted.

for fawkes sake man, see beyond what you feel comfortable with.
I believe that if people talk drivvle then their mental acuity is limited
If they then spew that drivvle to an unsuspecting crowd, they have a dangerous agenda
Look after our servicemen and women after their campaigning days in the forces are over
give them all a medal
give them a job
have a minister with clout who will listen
take back our democracy instead of laying belly up to Brussels in the 4th Reich
take back our borders instead of ignoring the hundreds of thousands flooding in to take low paid jobs
help out with our overcrowded schools
hospitals
roads
housing market
benefit system
take back our waters
support our fishermen and fishing industry
make corporations pay as a percentage of their turnover rather than hide it away in foreign bank vaults
have a party who let their representatives vote for their constituents choice not what the whip says!
cut down crime overnight by stopping criminals freely entering our country via the 4th Reich
you want more?
tell the truth or listen to someone who does instead of playing the tired old worn out record

have you voted yet getagrip?
This is the last day to give your opinion

Good luck ;)

Well said wiseowl,  there are many things wrong with this country, milliband has had to admit we do have a deficit, they got it wrong on immigration,  and  labour got its  cumuppance on the politics show on Sunday when milliband said what are the torys going to do with taxing non doms  Boris just said why didn't you do something about them when labour were in power for 13 years . Thats the answer to labour when they bang on about anything bad in Hartlepool they always play the blame game, the question to them is what did labour do for Hartlepool when they had a government for 13 years and a labour controlled council for considerably longer

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 28, 2015, 09: AM
for fawkes sake man, see beyond what you feel comfortable with.
I believe that if people talk drivvle then their mental acuity is limited
If they then spew that drivvle to an unsuspecting crowd, they have a dangerous agenda
Look after our servicemen and women after their campaigning days in the forces are over
give them all a medal
give them a job
have a minister with clout who will listen
take back our democracy instead of laying belly up to Brussels in the 4th Reich
take back our borders instead of ignoring the hundreds of thousands flooding in to take low paid jobs
help out with our overcrowded schools
hospitals
roads
housing market
benefit system
take back our waters
support our fishermen and fishing industry
make corporations pay as a percentage of their turnover rather than hide it away in foreign bank vaults
have a party who let their representatives vote for their constituents choice not what the whip says!
cut down crime overnight by stopping criminals freely entering our country via the 4th Reich
you want more?
tell the truth or listen to someone who does instead of playing the tired old worn out record

Why after reading this post did i think of this........

GERMANY CALLING...... GERMANY CALLING

Well come on fredc tell us why you thought of Germany calling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYtNI6WBu2k

Yes I have WiseOwl.

well done, thanks everyone

Lucy and fred just come out and say what you mean, innuendo doesn't do you justice, and it's a tad difficult to comment from both contributions.

I would be interested in knowing what the 3 main issues are from the votig, and this is as mentioned a voting thread, but allow me to answer Driddle, the UKIP councillors have leart much they know for instance 19 labour councillors against 2 UKIP in a vote won't get you anywhere, as you and PHF have found your only contribution is to get rid of the mayor how far did that get you, PHF had 5 councillors long before UKIP were there can you list what you have achieved.  There are 3 torys who are really labour, we have an independent who used to be leader of the labour party and is such an independent labour councillor, and DRiddle is a school teacher probably a fully paid up member of the NUT whose union found over 10 million quid to the labour party, and he comes out with a statement I quote I despise everything UKIP stands for. Is it any wonder why the UKIP councillors get no help

beanz... there are none so blind as them who WILL NOT SEE
you need a hammer and chisel to get your point across.
Thankfully  understand that to call Labour is to call themselves for supporting them in their psyche.
They don't have the moral fibre to say, ok, I made a mistake and accept that I should steer well away from the dubious practises of the party and come on board the Good Ship UKIP

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 28, 2015, 11: AM
Fred...................

YOU are wanting to stay in the 4th Reich
(c)heck the EUs origins then you can apologies for your childish remarks

The Common Market was created (by Churchill among others) in order to prevent  kn*ob-head flag-waving nationalists starting any more wars with their mindless moronic rantings  about all 'our' ills being the fault of foriegners. I can see how this ideal would enrage those who intend to massively expand defence spending so they can deliver all  overseas aid in the shape of bullets and bombs.

MK1 you were miles out: try again, only this time ask instead of stating something as fact when in fact it is a guess, an incorrect one at that.
It's what I mean about people on here ranting before engaging their brains

beanz I cannot as a matter of protocol spill the beans about the result before the end of the vote

looks like lucy and fred continue their bloc vote beenz: so what's new? ;)

Wiseowl - Are you wise enough to understand what the term 'flooding' means in the context of a discussion forum like this?

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 28, 2015, 12: PM
MK1 you were miles out: try again,

Not so. You are  egregiously ill informed on most matters of history and the very antithesis of your screen name.

Typical UKIP ignorance...........

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 28, 2015, 12: PM

It's what I mean about people on here ranting before engaging their brains

.......and  irony-impaired!

Mk1. Sorry to disagree with you but it was NATO and the UN that was created after the war to preserve peace. Unfortunately only NATO so far has been successful.

Churchill agreed with the Common Market as a trading organisation. It was hoped that as trade and prosperity grew it would limit the possibilities for despots to flourish but it was not a major aim. It was over a decade after Churchill died that we joined the Common Market.

The EU was founded in 1993 with one of its aims being peace in Europe. It failed in the Balkans and might yet fail in the Baltic.

two issues are dominating now with a closish third

Thanks again everyone for taking time out to vote

On my table in this thread it shows immigration and health both in front on seven votes. Next is the state of the economy on five.

Your puzzlement puzzles me beans.

Or is there a 'secret' vote somewhere?

Are you stupid?

Nope

Interesting to see 'Nige' in town today.

Wonder if he's planning to attend tonights hustings to support Phillip?

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 28, 2015, 09: AM
support our fishermen and fishing industry

Utter tosh!

Farage's voting record on fishing 'makes mockery' of new election poster

UKIP's new election poster unveiled in Grimsby today highlights the plight of fishing businesses that have been 'gutted due to the EU'.  Greenpeace has responded that UKIP's voting record in the European Parliament and Nigel Farage's appalling attendance on the Fisheries Committee makes a mockery of UKIP's claim to be standing up for fishermen.

Over the three years that Nigel Farage was a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, he attended one out of 42 meetings. Greenpeace research released today shows that during the three major votes to fix the flaws of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP), Nigel Farage was in the building but failed to vote in favour of improving the legislation.

  In 2013, Nigel Farage was again present but chose not to vote on the part of the reform of the CFP that introduces an obligation on governments to give more fishing quota to sustainable fishermen who contribute the most to the local, coastal economies. This would see the government giving more fishing quota to local, low impact fishing fleets, such as the fishermen featured in UKIP's poster.

Greenpeace is currently undertaking a two month, pre-election tour of English and Welsh coastal marginal constituencies asking MPs and parliamentary candidates to pledge to become coastal champions if they win the next election. At the event in Ramsgate in the constituency of Thanet South, all the parliamentary candidates except Nigel Farage attended and pledged that if they won the next election they would work their hardest to get more fishing quota for the many angry fishermen who were at the event.

  Ariana Densham, Greenpeace Oceans campaigner said:

"Local fishermen around the coast are struggling to survive and are furious after neglect by successive governments. But they will not be fooled by UKIP's claim that they are standing up for them because most, if not every time there has been a major vote in Europe that would have given them a better deal, they don't vote for it. The new EU law on fishing has been reformed and if implemented by national governments, it will fix many of the serious problems faced by fishermen. UKIP did not lift a finger to support this huge win for local fishermen. Like it or not, the EU provides the solution for the problem and the next government must implement the new EU fishing law and stop giving the lion's share of fishing quota to industrial and foreign fishing corporations at the expense of local, sustainable fishermen."

The next stop on the Greenpeace election tour is Grimsby on Saturday. The tour will culminate just days before the election in the Fisheries Minister George Eustice's constituency of Hayle. The campaigners are hoping that the Minister will respond to the breadth of support for the campaign from the public and cross party MPs and candidates as he is currently refusing to give more quota to local, sustainable fishermen as required by EU law.

Greenpeace launched the campaign 'Our net gain' in November last year with the shocking statistic that nearly half of the English quota is used by foreign industrial fishing corporations. While a meagre six per cent is given to local, low impact fishermen who fish sustainably and directly contribute to local economies. Greenpeace believes that through putting pressure in these key coastal battle grounds is a prime opportunity to force the next government to finally put local fishermen first in the queue for fishing quota.

ENDS

For more information, please call Kate Blagojevic on 07801 212 959

Common Fisheries Policy:

v  There were 3 key votes on the CFP legislation:

1.       The Common fisheries policy (CFP) regulation  –  on 6 Feb 2013. This law was passed with 502 in favour (75%). 9 out of 10 UKIP MEPs abstained (in opposition to the position of their EU group). Nigel Farage was the only UKIP MEP that didn't vote, even though he would have been in the building.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/common-fisheries-policy-draft-legislative-resolution-vote-legislative-resolution-ordinary-legislativ.html

2.       The Common market organisation (CMO) regulation - on 12 Sept 2012. This law was passed with 620 in favour (92%).  5 out of 9 UKIP MEPs abstained and 1 voted against the law (all in opposition to the position of their EU group). 3 MEPs didn't vote at all: 1 was entirely absent, and 2 – including Farage – didn't vote, even though they would have been in the building.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/common-organisation-of-the-markets-in-fishery-and-aquaculture-products-draft-legislative-resolution--3.html

3.       Third, the European maritime fisheries fund (EMFF) regulation – on 14 April 2014. This law was passed with 473 votes in favour (84%). 5 out of 9 UKIP MEPs voted against the law (in opposition to the position of their EU group). Of the remaining 4 MEPs that didn't vote, 1 was absent and 3 – including Farage – would have been in the building, but didn't vote.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/european-maritime-and-fisheries-fund-draft-legislative-resolution-vote-legislative-resolution-ordina.html

v  Fourth on environmental and social criteria. There was a vote for an amendment to the CFP regulation on using environmental and social criteria to allocate fishing opportunities and incentives for low impact fishing (this is more or less article 17 of the final regulation) – on 6 Feb 2013

This amendment was passed with 366 in favour (55%).  9 out of 10 UKIP MEPs abstained (in line with the position of their EU group) but Nigel Farage again was the only UKIP MEP who didn't vote, even though he would have been in the building.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/common-fisheries-policy-draft-legislative-resolution-after-article-16-amendment-227-ordinary-legisla.html

Nigel Farage turned up to just one out of 42 meetings on the fisheries committee when he was on it. (£) http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/85563e82-8f44-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html

Original article - http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/press-releases/farage%E2%80%99s-voting-record-fishing-%E2%80%98makes-mockery%E2%80%99-new-election-poster-20150408 (http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/press-releases/farage%E2%80%99s-voting-record-fishing-%E2%80%98makes-mockery%E2%80%99-new-election-poster-20150408)

Perhaps you might practice what you preach

Quotetell the truth or listen to someone who does instead of playing the tired old worn out record

Quote from: Hartlepudlion on April 28, 2015, 12: PM
Churchill agreed with the Common Market as a trading organisation

I am well versed in history of the Common Market. The prime aim was to tie France and Germany so close together there would be no repeat of the never-ending conflict between the two nations. In the previous 75 years they had fought 3 wars and many more before that when Prussia was the dominant German state. 'THE driving force was to end that cycle and marry them so closely that war would be impossible. It worked.  The EU is the reason why we can say Spain will never use force in order to reclaim an enclave on its coast.
NATO is an American dominated and run entity aimed at external threats and has nothing at all to do with the EU.

Quote from: Hartlepudlion on April 28, 2015, 12: PM
The EU was founded in 1993 with one of its aims being peace in Europe. It failed in the Balkans and might yet fail in the Baltic.

How many Balkan countries ravaged by conflict were in the EU?
The Batlic state's ties with the EU 100%  guarantee that Russia will never dare use force against them.
The  cause of the war in Ukraine was the Russian fear Ukraine would (one day) enter the EU and thus be beyond their reach.

"The problem in that case was that the Conservative Party split the vote, and we hadn't yet proclaimed our Australian-style points system plan for immigration"

You're a bit of a fibber aren't you, WiseOwl? Notice the use of the first person plural pronoun by someone who, in a previous post, denied any connection with UKIP...and then there was that question from FFS as to why anyone should be phoning you to tell them that they would be voting for UKIP.

In fact, you're a typical UKIPper; blinkered vision, ignorant and someone who sees everything in terms of black and white - literally.

I'm not sure to whom you refer to wiseowl, or for that matter what was it that prompted the comment, if the comment was for me then as I am a UKIP voter then it has become something to be expected, one point you may not have noticed drom all of my threads on this forum I have not treated anyone with direspect, we have a democracy in this country and I respect the view of the electorate to vote for who they wish, let's see who Hartlepool decides on May 7th

Stevie baby, I didn't say that, please don't take 2+2 and make it into 3

what part of I didn't say that do you not understand?
I thought this was a grown ups site!

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 28, 2015, 11: AM
and DRiddle is a school teacher probably a fully paid up member of the NUT whose union found over 10 million quid to the labour party,

That is it for Riddle. Outed by a razor-sharp intellect who managed to join up the dots when all around him failed to see the obvious. Well done that man!

This is a perfect example of the cold-war warrior mentality that dominates UKIP. People who live in a time warp when reds were under every bed and communist spies  caused  blackouts when they all logged in at once by short-wave radio to report back to their KGB minders in the Kremlin.
Pathetic yesterdays men yearning for a return to the days of the Empire  when uppity dark-skinned people knew their place.

no it wasn't aimed at you beanz
From what you've said you are far from the odd feeble minds who fester this site, and they are odd!

On my table in this thread it shows immigration and health both in front on seven votes. Next is the state of the economy on five.

Your puzzlement puzzles me beans.

Or is there a 'secret' vote somewhere?

read above at the nuggets statement

oops, one has just given us his latest gem, bless him

Just ignoring Tom's personal swipes at me for a minute, (especially the ones where he appears to imply UKIPS councillors have 'achieved just as little' as PHFs), what the pre-election UKIP plant Mr Wise-owl has deduced from his survey is most people are bothered/worried about immigration.

Setting aside the fact that wise-owls 'data' isn't worth the paper it's written on, let's relate the issue of immigration to Hartlepool for a minute.

According to the 2011 census the locality with the smallest foreign-born population in the North Easts unitary authorities,  with just 2,559 non-UK born residents representing just 2.3% of the local population. . . . is . . . . . . . . (Drum roll) . . . . Hartlepool.

So Mr Wise-Owl, our town, one of the most socially deprived areas of Northern Europe (never mind Britain) does indeed have serious socio-economic problems.

However, few if any at all are down to immigration.

Labour voters get a lot of stick here but at least they get something for their votes. Ray has to put up no-hope placemen in order to help Labour split the vote but I have to say anyone who votes for one of  these clowns is  truly an idiot. The  candidates can not even be ar*sed to pose for a photo or write their own election pitch.
Are all the Tory voters in these wards going to bend over and grab their ankles for Ray?

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I also can't understand why anyone would vote for these kind of people.  I mentioned this on another thread a couple of weeks ago so to save me repeating myself and typing it all out again:

Quote from: Foggy on April 14, 2015, 06: PM
I find it disappointing (that's putting it politely) that the Tories seem to field a number of candidates in local elections who it appears have no desire to be, or intention of being, a Councillor (I think we probably know who we are talking about). They are just there to put that Tory logo on the ballot paper and/or take votes away from others.  In last year's local elections, Andrew Martin-Wells stood for the Tories in Foggy Furze and gained 208 votes.  I did not receive a single leaflet from him or any form of communication to demonstrate the fact that he wanted to represent the residents in the council chamber.  I feel that fielding candidates to 'make up the numbers' or for other unscrupulous reasons is just taking the p*** out of the electorate. That's why I can't understand why these people get so many votes.

I realise this is something which has gone on for years but it doesn't make it right.

I was surprised the other day to see that Andrew Martin-Wells had actually supplied a picture and his 'own' pitch.  He must be keener this time to step on board the gravy train.

I also noticed the other day that Mick Purves (Greens) didn't supply a photo or information to the Mail.  He must have real ambition.

Immigration will be a 'problem' for as long
as people read crap papers like the DMail and Express
People believe what they are told

Crap papers like the Daily Mail and Express eh?
How about all of them!
If you rely on any paper for facts you could be waiting for some time.

All candidates standing for local election should pay a £250 bond. If they don't get 5% of the vote then they would lose it. Save on the time wasters.

You can now see the results of a simple survey conducted freely on here.
As you can see, the three main issues are Immigration, only managed if we come out of the 4th Reich
The NHS will not improve until we.... get away from murky Merkel and her cronies in the 4yh Reich so that we can control who is treated by our great staff there.
Thirdly it's the economy.
Clearly, people don't believe the guff that the media try to indoctrinate us with that everything's fine in the garden of Pinky and Perky, twit and Tw4t or Cameron and Cleggy

Now then Jimmy Riddle, you have another unfounded whinge coming my way.
I am on here because I want to be: nobody has asked me to be on and I, unlike one or three on here tell it as it is.
I generally find teachers indecisive and lacking leadership qualities and I don't know you enough to confirm it as generalities tend to be accurate some of the time and not all of it.
From what I've learned in the last month or so, I'm quite alarmed with the underhandedness of the main parties.
What saddens me is the lack of moral fibre some people on here clearly display, whether it be Fred C and his lady sidekick or Marky, (MK1) or any other gang member wannabes on here who can't do it without some stooges around.
There are some very good people on here too.

Problem with that Jeff is that all it does is stop genuine people as standing as independents as it won't bother the national parties as they can afford to pay for paper candidates to stand whereas I wouldn't have been able to fork out £250 bond as well as the other associated costs of running a campaign out of my own pocket.

Well I might have managed it at a stretch but the wife would have killed me when she found out ;)

Quote W1 'There are some very good people on here too'.

He means me.

Christine Duffy is young Isaac Duffy's mother. A non party member dragged in to stand as a paper candidate in what should be a target ward for the local conservative party. A shame really when there are local activists who are actual members who would have loved to have had the opportunity to stand there.

lord elpus,,, self praise, is a bit like self abuse, only the giver appreciates it :-*

Is there a reason you completely ignored my previous post on your claim that UKIP stand up for the UK fishing industry?

I make reference to this particular topic as I come from a long line of trawlermen so this is actually a topic I have a lot of interest in. Most fishermen find it odd that UKIP try and pull this line at elections because they watch very closely what happens with the Common Fisheries Policy and know exactly how little effort UKIP MEPs put in to working for a better deal for them NOW rather than sitting back whilst they struggle but promise to fix it all at some point when they have enough MPs to form a government and get us out of the EU.

Anybody else reassessing their views on Harry Blackwood ?

Loved the quote from Mr Loynes, ' ...which is why Hartlepool needs credible and strong opposition in the form of the local Conservatives' . Really ?

it is at this time I must totally agree with SRMoores post on fisheries and none attendance by UKIP MEPs it is deplorable, no need to check he`s right, there are things going on here but rest assured I will after May 7th call them to book. I would say at this time the tory`s haven't done anything about it either Cameron wants to stay in the EU, so no help there with the fisheries policy for Hartlepool, and it`s supposed the 3 Conservative councillors will always vote with Labour in Hartlepool, the difference is UKIP don't have whips and I want answers I will get answers.

Quote from: Greg X on April 28, 2015, 06: PM
Immigration will be a 'problem' for as long
as people read crap papers like the DMail and Express

Crap papers like the Daily Express?
Owned by Ponographer Desmond who recently gave UKIP 1 Million?

Recently rapped for  postingin order to bolster UKIP?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/16/daily-express-website-ipso-ukip-story-nigel-farage


The article cited a YouGov survey of voting intentions, claiming that this showed that 38% "of those surveyed" intended to vote Conservative, 28% UKip and 25% Labour.
"Nigel Farage won a fresh boost today when an opinion poll pronounced his party the second most popular after the Conservatives, pushing Labour into third place," it claimed.

The poll was based on 2,314 adults in Great Britain, but the results reported in the article related only to those who told the pollsters that they were Sun readers.



UKIP and their supporters will do anything to inflate their numbers................

It's crazy really. We have a Labour Party basically ran by 3 or 4 people with the combined political acumen of a packet of hobnobs. We also have a Tory Party ran a bloke who I doubt could even name 3 Conservative MPs, let alone give you details of a national Conservative Policy.

Throw in an invisible group of Liberal Democrats who've basically given up in Hartlepool, and a 'revitalised' local Green Party whose loudest voice is a bloke who has been shouting and swearing about NOT voting for 30 years. Taking all that into consideration a pretty dark political picture starts to be painted in Hartlepool.

Then just when you think it can't get any worse Nigel Farage rocks up eulogising about a wrestling grocer.

This Jimmy Riddle wouldn't be the father of DRiddle would it, would he have been a councillor per chance, oh the irony which party did he represent. I also note the three major concerns from the vote on this forum were all National issues, only resolved from a National party, all three major issues have been caused by the Labour party, PHF are the Labour party just slightly removed they don`t like some of those Labour lot in the council but overall they love the Labour party and all it stands for, carefull who you vote for

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 28, 2015, 08: PM
This Jimmy Riddle wouldn't be the father of DRiddle would it, would he have been a councillor per chance, oh the irony

Indeed the irony. Your (temporary) compatriot is just trying to show how clever he is with his 'funny'(chortle!) name for Riddle and it goes completely over your head.

Shane,

Isaac Duffy used to attend a youth group I helped run.  Very clever lad who has an obvious interest in politics.

We didn't get onto politics much when I knew him but I never agreed with a lot of his ideas, but the lad had ideas of his own.

What is the party providing as an example of 'proper behaviour'?  Hopefully Isaac is clever enough to work the right way to do things out for himself.

AH but MK1 perhaps it has gone right over my head, but I don't know who you are, I of course will only use any information for historical purposes, and only in an effort to finish my jigsaw entitled, who are they really, I mean I have indeed spoken to DRiddle on several occasions as he himself has testified to, and yet he comes out with the statement I despise everything UKIP stands for where did that come from, it`s history and a piece in the jigsaw of how your council is made up, many haven't reliquised past associations with political party`s that's` why groups like PHF and the Idependents exist they are just slightly removed from their political party of choice and therefore not biting the hand that feeds them, so come on MK1 what`s your piece in the jigsaw.

Shane,
Saddest thing is that as a REAL tory , you are having to stand as an independent.

Hey Jeff I think your proposal of £250 quid has merit, only could the candidates be in default if they don`t declare who they represent honestly, examples would be the 3 tory councillors who have clearly miss represented their electorate in Rural West, Driddle and Jeff Lilley PHF clearly Labour, Councillor Brash again clearly Labour, could it be only Labour and UKIP are who they say they are and the rest should loose their deposits.

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 28, 2015, 09: PM
Hey Jeff I think your proposal of £250 quid has merit, only could the candidates be in default if they don`t declare who they represent honestly, examples would be the 3 tory councillors who have clearly miss represented their electorate in Rural West, Driddle and Jeff Lilley PHF clearly Labour, Councillor Brash again clearly Labour, could it be only Labour and UKIP are who they say they are and the rest should loose their deposits.

Think it is Geoff Lilley if you check....
How about the UKIP councillors who have done 'sod all' for a year in the hope that the cavalry arrive on May 8th?

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 28, 2015, 09: PM
Hey Jeff I think your proposal of £250 quid has merit, only could the candidates be in default if they don`t declare who they represent honestly, examples would be the 3 tory councillors who have clearly miss represented their electorate in Rural West, Driddle and Jeff Lilley PHF clearly Labour, Councillor Brash again clearly Labour, could it be only Labour and UKIP are who they say they are and the rest should loose their deposits.

Also Beanz, it's LOSE not loose ... never trust a politician that can't spell a four letter word (apart from the obvious ones!)

What are you UKIP boys going to do when WiseOwl disappears on May 8th?? 



Silence.... normal service resumed

Quote from: Jeff on April 28, 2015, 09: PM

How about the UKIP councillors who have done 'sod all' for a year in the hope that the cavalry arrive on May 8th?

The relief column is on its way  but it is under the command of  General George (Farage) Custer...........

Hi Jeffrey just getting a little ahead of myself, keyboard has delay and I appreciate I must try harder with my spelling, whats your excuse for not answering my reply to your posting.

Jeffrey Wiseowls wont disappear after May 8th it`s only those Ostriches who bury their heads in the sand, I see no deficit, I see no problems from Mass immigration, I`m sorry to tell you there is no more money left, ( Labour Minister to coalition government 2010 ) this country isn't some bannana republic Jeffrey this was the Labour Government saying it had bankrupted a great country. Best keep your head buried Jeffrey

Beanz, Think you may want to research a little more and review your last statements on G Lilley (spent longer being Liberal than Labour) and Cllr Riddle. Apart from that the spelling has improved, but you now need check your grammar.
I will give you 4/10.

Better have my head buried in the sand than up my own ar**!

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 28, 2015, 10: PM
Jeffrey Wiseowls wont disappear after May 8th it`s only those Ostriches who bury their heads in the sand,

Who is Jeffrey Wiseowls and why is he in danger of 'disappearing'?

The words  'it's only those Ostriches who bury their heads in the sand' is in relation to what exactly? Did you accidently delete the end of the sentence of do you really believe it makes sense as it stands?

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 28, 2015, 10: PM
  this was the Labour Government saying it had bankrupted a great country.

I suggest you are overlooking the real cause of the crash. The greedy bankers. Nigel's friends  bankrupted us all and that is a fact. I have no doubt you refuse to accept this reality and are convinced it is all a plot orchestrated  by The Kremlin (the real one not the Civic in Victoria road)but I really could not care. You are heading for oblivion  as the polls will show  in a week's time.

Any intention that I had of (maybe) voting for UKIP in the local and General elections has been totally scrubbed....due to the fact that Beanz OT does not seem to have a grasp on reality most of the time....and as for Wise Arzz Owl, he just comes across as an uncouth cyber bully....that's being polite!  If this is an indication of the types of people that UKIP attract or indeed want, then I and others certainly won't be surprised if UKIP do not do well on May 7th!   

Beanz; 'I want answers I will get answers'.

In my experience knowing the right question to ask is always a good starting point, from what I've seen UKIP Councillors have yet to grasp that concept.

Just for clarity, I Geoffrey McKenzie Lilley have only been a member of two political party's,  Labour from 1992 to 2002, then PHF for the last three years.  I did attend some Green Party meetings in Mboro after leaving the Labour Party but decided it was not for me.  I support the SNP and have sent them money on a few occasions.

I left the Labour Party because I was unhappy at the actions of some key Members, both locally and nationally.  If I have to describe myself politically it would be left of centre  (not Labour).  It worries me that I don't feel comfortable voting for any of the main party candidates. Ironically a few months ago I was going to 'hold my nose' and vote UKIP in the GE only to get Shighty out.  I'm now supporting Steve Picton and he has my vote.

Johnny Bongo comes down a tree and out from the psyche jungle that is life. onto the make believe site.
I have said many times vote for who you want it is your choice: sound like a bully?
Block voting by use of our leader says is bullying
Labour don't like the idea of  may the best man win, that's why they cheat.
£15 Million has recently gone into the Labour coffers via Unite: with strings attached.. work it out if you can
MK1 and Marky appear to be the same person.
Like multiple personalities: Freud would have a field day on here!

But LE haven't you read the (arrogant) electioneering literature, only UKIP can beat Iain Wright and free us from his failures, oh wait on only Conservative can free us from Iain Wright.

Pity people don't talk to each other and get .their stories straight.
A wrestling match to decide who gets that line might be a bit unfair considering the history of the candidates.

I would vote SNP if they stood in Hartlepool and hope they do next time.
I don't want my child to grow up in the shadow of the civilian killing machine of Trident so I am voting Green.
Steven Picton needs a party behind him if he is going to have any chance of making anything of a victory, maybe SNP could adopt him.

There seems to be a fair bit of UKIP trolling lately on here. One would have thought they would be better served concentrating on their target wards. I don't think I've seen a UKIP would be councillor on the campaign trail apart from Broughton.

It's seems like the latest UKIP propaganda on here is to suggest that PHF members are basically Labour.
That and the 'Milliband's a Marxist' message Tom has been spreading for a while. 

The message he's intent on spreading seems to be 'UKIP are different' . . . They certainly are.

Having said that, so were the Nazis.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq1ym0_the-nazis-a-warning-from-history-1-helped-into-power_lifestyle

The best way to deal with the constant trolling as per this Thread is "Don`t Feed the Trolls"....

I always find it amusing that people who have appeared on the local political scene in the last year or so, are so keen to have a personal dig at people who have been active critics  of the shower of s**t running the town for years.

The only effective opposition faced by the TorLab Mob in the last..... "well forever really"...... has been by councillors who have put their differences aside & put forward various Motions in an attempt to change the appalling "6 Councillor" governance of the town.

The above post is not only below the belt but nasty and uncalled for.
You need serious treatment for putting on a public site such bile.

A "make believe site" that has been in existence for well over a decade, that has achieved more to effect local issues & politics than the towns Hartlepool Mail & has been at the forefront of exposing the Scandals that have been a feature of The TorLab Mob.

Make believe site ?............ I think not.

Other than making a novelty first speech in Westminster, which all new MPs are allowed as part of their induction, I wouldn't expect Picton on his own to change Hartlepool's lot at all but I'm not sure if that's the point.

If Picton were to actually win the seat, then I see it as effectively 'parking' the constituency in a lay-by with a big For Sale sign on it where it will stay until one of the main parties decides to actually do something positive for Hartlepool to win it back.

It means, of course, that for five years the town will not really have anyone in Westminster championing the town's cause (although I'm sure Picton would disagree with that) but then, to me, that's how it's been for years, so no change there.....

Not sure if you've got that quite right Steve. The way things are looking, Picton's one vote could be quite a valuable commodity in the commons after the election and quite a bargaining chip..

Codswallap. This is a BBC documentary and has already been broadcast across the globe. I can see the relevance:

• an economic crash
• a new party promising to be all things to all men
• a convenient scapegoat to blame for all the country's ills
• intolerance of others

'If Picton were to actually win the seat, then I see it as effectively 'parking' the constituency in a lay-by with a big For Sale sign on it where it will stay until one of the main parties decides to actually do something positive for Hartlepool to win it back.'

...and in the meanwhile have somebody who will stumble from one gaffe to another for a whole five years?

Getting rid of Weight would just be the kick that Labour needs in Hartlepool....it would certainly shake things up at local council level!

I think that's just about a full house;
We now have Andy Burnham stating Labour's introduction of 24hr drinking 'was a mistake'.  ::)
We've had Ed. Milliband saying it was 'wrong' to open our borders to almost a million migrants.  ::)
Jack Straw said it was a 'spectacular mistake' to allow open borders.  ::)

Ed. Milliband states 'we made mistakes on welfare payments in the past' and now promises a cap on social security payments.  ::)
Ed. Balls has said 'I have learnt from my mistakes in the financial crisis'.  ::)

Even G. Brown has come out with 'I made a big mistake over the handling of financial regulations in the run up to the 2008 banking crisis'.  ::)

And now we have Labour's Margaret Hodge (Chair of the Commons public accounts committee) receiving more than £1.5 million in shares from a family business, that was invested in the tax haven of Liechtenstein...you know, one of those places SHE sat in judgement over with regard to Amazon, Google, HSBC and others avoiding tax.  ::)
And people accuse Nigel Farage of suspect money deals!!
Labour, the party of the working class...I think not.

Finally, you have the 'usual suspects' standing up for the right of migrants from virtually every nation on earth  to access our borders. And yet, when a young man from Ingleby Barwick wishes to stand as our MP, there are calls of derision because he is an 'outsider' and not from the town! F****** hypocrite.

I think a number of people on here have forgotten the prime result we all desire, the removal of Wright and as many of his coterie in the civic centre as possible.
That's why it's UKIP for MP and PHF for Hart Ward for me.
Hart village will never forget the gypsy fiasco.

Has anyone on this forum (who has a good grasp of the political feeling in this town AND a good grasp of maths!) sat down and worked out any permutations regarding the chances of each GE candidate?  For example, what was Iain Wrights majority last time and which party came nearest.  If people decide to vote for either UKIP or Stephen Picton, what number of votes are needed to win, based on possibly disgruntled Labour voters (re- the Hospital saga, the Mayors lies, etc)  switching to the above?  Are the Tory votes approximately the same amount every GE?  As the time draws near, maybe tactical voting might be the only answer to get rid of Labour/ Wright, even though town folk might not necessarily wish to vote UKIP, etc.  Saying that, many people that I've spoken with have said they'll vote UKIP or the Green Party...anything but Labour! 

This maybe of interest. It is YouGov Nowcast constituency poll for Hartlepool. https://yougov.co.uk/#/constituency/204/nowcast/ (https://yougov.co.uk/#/constituency/204/nowcast/)

I haven't sat down and done the precise maths, but if getting rid of Wrighty is the sole goal then voting Tory is the answer (based on 2010) - oh my God, did I really type that  ;D ;D

Quote from: Hopingforbetter on April 30, 2015, 02: PM
This maybe of interest. It is YouGov Nowcast constituency poll for Hartlepool. https://yougov.co.uk/#/constituency/204/nowcast/ (https://yougov.co.uk/#/constituency/204/nowcast/)

Based on to many generalisations to be useful.

Quote from: WiseOwl on April 29, 2015, 08: AM
The above post is not only below the belt but nasty and uncalled for.
You need serious treatment for putting on a public site such bile.

Obviously one of the torlab mob or maybe even one of the Acker Bilks  what a ridulous statement !

Quote from: seaton on April 30, 2015, 05: PM


Obviously one of the torlab mob or maybe even one of the Acker Bilks  what a ridulous statement !

More like a Mr Man from the Mail site...........

I wouldn't pay too much attention to that yougov poll. It has Mr Picton (I guess plus the other Indys) behind both the greens and the Lib Dems. The reality is Mr Picton alone is likely to poll more than both those two particular parties combined.

Grim reaper spot on no critism on my part, but you forgot to mention NHS beurocrats also having offshore bank accounts, many in theBBC another lefty organisation having tallent paid off payroll, tax avoiders in any other name, wait for it MK1 will be along any minute a classic denier you know the type its always someone else to blame never them,remember the Mayor I quote I've done nothing wrong type of guy. UKIP are far from perfect but give UKIP the local votes on May 7th and together with PHF and Independants
within 100 days we will get rid of your Mayor and have a referenda on joining a unitary council. Remember UKIP are the only national party which will take your voice to Westminster

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 30, 2015, 08: PM
but you forgot to mention NHS beurocrats also having offshore bank accounts, many in theBBC another lefty organisation having tallent paid off payroll, tax avoiders in any other name,

So why did Farage also move his money abroad to avoid tax?

at least £969,000

Why did he  pretend it was his brothers money when it was really Nigel's

Is Nigel a tax avoider in any other name,



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-admits-1972988

now come on, Beanz - be serious.

All the polls are saying that UKIP will be lucky to win one seat. I reckon it will be 2 or 3 myself, all on the South East coast where the Neanderthal rump of the British population seem to persist. Either way, UKIP will be a busted flush by May 8th.

Actually, I've just been watching Newsnight. The polls are now suggesting a 100% surge in UKIP wins - they're now predicting that they'll win 2 seats. Isn't that what they have now?

Did I not say MK1  the serial denier would post something  derogetory about UKIP, we didn't have long to wait did we , ok from the top I have mentioned on this forum before once again then, anyone earning 150k and over per year would be classed as deranged if they did not have an offshore bank account, didn't one of our monarchs say it's only the little people who pay taxes, even Harry Rednapp and his dog had one, he was a hero, its all a question of perception really.

Marky,  can I just repeat myself from an earlier post from many moons ago, namely there are only 2 political party's and always will be, imagine it if you will a positive and a negative terminal on a battery one without the other won't start your car, there are other simalarities that bear some attention ie day and night, black and white, right and wrong, there is and always will be this duality, I'm sure you get my point, to answer your question though it doesn't matter if UKIP get no seats in parliment, UKIP have already achieved what we set out to do, before 2020

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 30, 2015, 11: PM
Did I not say MK1  the serial denier would post something  derogetory about UKIP,

No need for me to make a prediction what you would do with a straight question about Farage moving his money abroad
Everyone knew you would ignore it.
Admit it. Your main man is a tax avoider.

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 30, 2015, 11: PM
I have mentioned on this forum before once again then, anyone earning 150k and over per year would be classed as deranged if they did not have an offshore bank account,

There you have it. UKIP are happy with rich(er) people not paying their share of taxes. The bankers loot the country and Nigel recomends they do as he does and move your ill-gotten gains overseas and leave the little people to bear the burden

Quote from: beanzontoast on April 30, 2015, 11: PMdidn't one of our monarchs say it's only the little people who pay taxes

I don't think so. The 'monarch' was in fact one Leona Helmsley


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Helmsley

and she went to jail.

The actual quote was  "We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes". Perhaps it will be made a UKIP slogan?

MK1 sorry to burst your bubble but they are all at it Labour ,conservatives, lib dems, harry rednapp and his dog, you are only miffed cause you dont have over 150k, Ed Milliband did it , Tony Benn did it , there was just as many Labour MPs as tory etc in the expenses scandal, I can say however there were no UKIP MPs involved, be careful who you vote for.

Quote from: beanzontoast on May 01, 2015, 12: AM
I can say however there were no UKIP MPs involved,

Perhaps you could  do a bit of research on one Neil Hamilton the famous cash-in-brown-envelopes ex-Tory MP.
I believe he has run into some trouble recently with his UKIP expenses claims.

Quote from: beanzontoast on May 01, 2015, 12: AM
I can say however there were no UKIP MPs involved, be careful who you vote for.

The trick is to say UKIP MPs (in reality 'turncoat' Tory MPs) and not UKIP MEPs.
As a matter of record how many UKIP MEPs have been prosecuted so far and how many have gone to jail?
Why have an astonishing 32% of all serving  UKIP MEPs left the party since 2004?

I'll tell you something...(that many probably knew already!)...UKIP/ Phillip Broughton seem to be spending a fair bit of cash on his hopes of winning.  I've now received 3 leaflets from Phil...2 of them today...one of which was 'personally' addressed!  Either they know/ assume that they have a reasonable chance, due to disgruntled voters and are carpet bombing the town with leaflets with the 'strategy' of 'the more you see of him, the more likely you are to vote for him' OR....they love to throw money down the drain!  Which 'strategy' do you think it is, guys and gals?     

The latter....obviously!!!

This is 'spooky'...as they say.  I'd just clicked onto the forum page, literally 2 minutes ago...to see if anyone had replied to my previous post regarding UKIP leaflets.  What did I see on my CCTV screen...a man delivering a leaflet through my door....but not just any old leaflet...a UKIP leaflet....this time for the local elections (Burn Valley ward/ Bill Jervis).  That's now 4 from UKIP, 2 from Michael Holt, 1 each from Stephen Picton, Andrew Martin-Wells, Iain Wright, Richard Royal, Hilary Allen and Sandra Allison.  I'd like to thank all of the candidates for their leaflets as their photos will make excellent targets when I'm using my air rifles! ;D.  Please feel free to drop off as many as you wish...they're all targets!  The funny thing/ irony is (as far as UKIP goes)....my air rifles are German and Turkish.  I have a Webley Nemesis pistol...but even Webleys are now made abroad!   

Quote from: Johnny Bongo on May 01, 2015, 08: PM
I'll tell you something...(that many probably knew already!)...UKIP/ Phillip Broughton seem to be spending a fair bit of cash on his hopes of winning.  I've now received 3 leaflets from Phil...2 of them today...one of which was 'personally' addressed!  Either they know/ assume that they have a reasonable chance, due to disgruntled voters and are carpet bombing the town with leaflets with the 'strategy' of 'the more you see of him, the more likely you are to vote for him' OR....they love to throw money down the drain!  Which 'strategy' do you think it is, guys and gals?   

Well I know of at least one lady who has been well pis*ed off with the 'personally addressed' letter - addressed to the 'man' of the household, that is. Presumably UKIP still think/assume the wife will be too busy washing up to read anything as complicated as a political leaflet. ::)

I wonder if I'm alone in thinking that this has been one of the most boring General Election campaigns ever. No spontaneity and heavily controlled with each day, a routine of competing, planned announcements from each party. It's no wonder that the electorate have been switched off by it all.

I missed this when it hit the press a short while back.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/20/labour-disqualifies-130-halifax-party-members-linda-riordan

Same old Labour tricks.

I don't believe it :o...as Victor Meldrew would say.  Yet another UKIP leaflet (see my post no. 210 above!) and it's for Bill Jervis/ Burn valley ward (again).  Do the UKIP foot sloggers talk to each other, have a logistical plan any sort?  If this is the indication of how they organise themselves at this level, I don't hold out ANY hope if they get any seats!     

Where's that Farage fan gone who was banging on about Nige winning South Thanet? 

Quote from: Balotelli on May 08, 2015, 12: PM
Where's that Farage fan gone who was banging on about Nige winning South Thanet?

Back into his cave?  ;)

I have seen many elections. They are never as 'earth -shattering' as those who win would like you to believe. It is just the Tories time and as always it will return to Labour's turn. That is just how it is. The one real benefit I see this time round is the  demolition of UKIP. Cameron is no longer going to be held hostage by the fruitcakes in his own party and if anyone threatens to defect to UKIP then I presume they will have their bags packed for them. The far right is gone and UK politics will be  a better place because of it.
What I do forsee is gerrymandering by the Tories to  remove Labour's Scottish base. You can be sure laws will be enacted they are designed  to disenfranchise Scottish Labour voters.
It is a safe bet to predict Mother  Belcher is going to be very rapidly promoted if for no other reason that to protect the family business (obtaining Council grants/funding) once hopeless CAB and partner are ousted.
Anyone care to predict how long she will wait before forming a Company and getting as much money as Angie?

Wherever he is, I hope he lost as much money as I won on last nights results.....

Everyone should read the first article here@:


http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/