With labours fantasy manifesto hoping to blast us back into the seventies by penalising anyone who dares to work hard and earn more than others I keep wondering why they are all ignoring the Elephant in the corner of the room.....overseas aid budget
OK not the best source of information but the Sun reported......
"The Government's overall overseas aid budget has more than doubled in the past decade and tops the entire £13billion police budget for England and Wales last year"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8796140/britain-spending-foreign-aid-police-force/
Boris the bold back in February wanted it reducing.....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-foreign-aid-budget-cut-gdp-dfid-penny-mordaunt-a8773241.html
Countries developing nuclear weapons do not need overseas aid from UK- Pakistan received 405 million from UK in 2017= Why?
Time to stop this lunacy and spend the money at home where it is needed. Charity is a individual decision based on how much you are prepared to give/can afford and should begin at home........
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 03: PM
Countries developing nuclear weapons do not need overseas aid from UK-
Time to stop this lunacy and spend the money at home where it is needed. Charity is a individual decision based on how much you are prepared to give/can afford and should begin at home........
I wonder what state the UK would be in today if the people of the USA had applied those conditions to The Marshall Plan?
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 03: PM
Countries developing nuclear weapons do not need overseas aid from UK-
Time to stop this lunacy and spend the money at home where it is needed. Charity is a individual decision based on how much you are prepared to give/can afford and should begin at home........
I wonder what state the UK would be in today if the people of the USA had applied those conditions to The Marshall Plan?
This will come as no surprise but I couldn't give a flying f*c* about the Marshal Plan 74 years ago back in 1945.
Back here in 2019 having just gone through the "NHS Experience" over last three days rolling around in agony....being told 4 hour wait for ambulance.....waiting 5 hours a for a bed...watching NHS teams heroically doing the their best to cope with available resources....
If it is toss up between building some mosques and ballistic missiles in Pakistan or funding the NHS take a wild guess where my vote goes?
Time to stop pretending the rest of the world is our problem= it is not and I , like many do not give a toss about them.
Cue videa re British Empire etc.
Mk1, don't you be coming on here with your knowledge, facts and evidence based arguments. There's no place for that on this forum.
What people like here are meaningless platitudes. Awareness, expertise, knowledge and factual information are frowned upon.
P.S Brexit means Brexit.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
P.S Brexit means Brexit.
Correct
and Charity begins at home....actually its not even Charity it is money been wasted by our government overseas instead of being put to good use here- dare I say it reopening A& E Hartlepool ?
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 03: PM
Time to stop this lunacy and spend the money at home where it is needed. Charity is a individual decision based on how much you are prepared to give/can afford and should begin at home........
I absolutely agree with this. It's plain old common sense in my opinion
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
This will come as no surprise but I couldn't give a flying f*c* about the Marshal Plan 74 years ago back in 1945.
So the rules you wish to impose on others do not apply to The UK.-got it!
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
Back here in 2019 having just gone through the "NHS Experience" over last three days rolling around in agony....being told 4 hour wait for ambulance.....waiting 5 hours a for a bed...watching NHS teams heroically doing the their best to cope with available resources....
Have no fear citizen. Once the UK leaves the EU there will be £350 million extra for the NHS..............oh wait, I forgot that was a lie wasn't it..............sorreeee.
There is so little trust in Farage over the NHS that one of their election promises is NOT to do something. Guess what it was?
By the way how will waiting times go down when all '
dem der darkie doctors and nurses is sent back where de cum from'?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
Mk1, don't you be coming on here with your knowledge, facts and evidence based arguments. There's no place for that on this forum.
What people like here are meaningless platitudes. Awareness, expertise, knowledge and factual information are frowned upon.
P.S Brexit means Brexit.
That is one of the most condescending, sneering posts I've read in a long time. It simply oozes arrogance and you wonder why debate with you is impossible.
By the way how will waiting times go down when all 'dem der darkie doctors and nurses is sent back where de cum from'?
Where? Huddersfield?
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
By the way how will waiting times go down when all 'dem der darkie doctors and nurses is sent back where de cum from'?
You tasteless last sentence and it's racially embarrassing content carry's no contributor's name so it's safe to assume it was 'thought' up in your own head.
If so, why did you put it up? I did not expect to see something like that on one of your posts.
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
By the way how will waiting times go down when all 'dem der darkie doctors and nurses is sent back where de cum from'?
:( :( :( :( :(Wow thought better of you MK1. Can you actually say something like that online- pure racism.
This has nothing to do with race....so why drag it in?
At the moment we are sending billions overseas.....while we struggle at home. All of the parties are ignoring this pot of money
No - you can't say that sort of thing online (or anywhere else, for that matter). Be warned.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 05: PM
This has nothing to do with race....
Immigration control has nothing to do with race? You obviously have never seen what gets posted the UKIP 'private' forums.
I have yet to see anyone complaining that Canadian/Australians or New Zealanders are clogging up our Health Service.
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 06: PM
Immigration control has nothing to do with race? You obviously have never seen what gets posted the UKIP 'private' forums.
I have yet to see anyone complaining that Canadian/Australians or New Zealanders are clogging up our Health Service.
Odd attempt at a bodyswerve.
The thing I want stopping is money being sent overseas by the government to help countries that obviously do not need help...I don't give a rats what creed/colour they are........when we need the money here in UK.
Nice easy source of funding for NHS= stop sending overseas aid= 13+ Billion for NHS
It is not a race issue - your comments however are - I have not seen/heard "that" expression for years especially on a forum= you used it which would suggest we can add a new name to your hate list
.....Farage/Robinson/hopkins.....MK1
Own goal.......
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 05: PM
Can you actually say something like that online- pure racism.
Yes that must be it. I am racist. Just like Johny Speight was a racist because he wrote the bile Alf Garnet spouted. Did not all the NF members (when Till Death started that was the go-to Party for the haters) think Alf was a hero for repeating their Manifesto on the telly every week? They thanked Speight for (they believed) providing them with a standard-bearer. Truth was Alf was a caricature and the show was not intended to laud Alf but expose and mock his little englander world view. The fruitcakes never did catch on.
nice try.....
failed....
Given that there is absolutely no chance at all of a Farage Government then the Aid Budget is not going to change.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 06: PM
Nice easy source of funding for NHS= stop sending overseas aid= 13+ Billion for NHS
Where have I heard that (lie) before.......................
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Do you really think anyone will fall for it again?
it's not rocket science irrespective of the numbers
Stop handing out massive overseas aid
Use the money in uk.
The point is all parties are talking about increasing funding to NHS and explain how they propose doing it.
They are overlooking the obvious.
Stop giving it away.
Hey Guys and gals, lighten up! Even though Mk1 can be' hard going' at times ;)...can't we all :)....I don't believe he was being or intended to be racist but imo was being satirical (if that's the right word?).
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
it's not rocket science irrespective of the numbers
Stop handing out massive overseas aid
Massive means exceptionally large. Compared to developed nation averages the UK aid is not exceptionally large.
I don't really care if it's 50 pence.....
The NHS should take priority over the 'needs' off other countries.
Spend the money here not overseas.
So when he says it, it's 'satirical'.......? Oh the irony. ::)
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
I don't really care if it's 50 pence.....
You deliberately misrepresented the scale of the aid so you care enough to lie about it.
The UK does not
'hand out massive overseas aid'
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
Hey Guys and gals, lighten up! Even though Mk1 can be' hard going' at times ;)...can't we all :)....I don't believe he was being or intended to be racist but imo was being satirical (if that's the right word?).
I am surprised you appear to be defending his offensive language.
For the sake of clarity;
SatiricalA satirical drawing, piece of writing, or comedy show is one in which humour or exaggeration is used to criticize something.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/satirical (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/satirical)
Darkyhttps://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/darkies (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/darkies)
offensive, slang -an offensive word for a Black person
Still want to defend his use of the word?
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
I don't really care if it's 50 pence.....
You deliberately misrepresented the scale of the aid so you care enough to lie about it.
The UK does not 'hand out massive overseas aid'
Misrepresented? Mmm nope.
Lie er no but nice attempt at attempting to deflect from your offensive racist post. ;)
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ (https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/)
QuoteFor every hundred pounds that's made in the UK, seventy pence goes towards foreign aid.
Another way to say this is that the government has a target to spend 0.7% of the UK's Gross National Income on overseas development aid each year. Gross National Income (GNI) is the UK's annual output of goods and services, plus any income we get from abroad.
In 2016, the UK spent £13.4 billion on overseas aid, in line with the 0.7% target.
Maybe we move in different circles.
£13.4 billion IS massive to most people
But I don't care what the figure is ...it needs to stop- now.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 08: PM
Misrepresented? Mmm nope.
Yep you got caught lying.
QuoteFor every hundred pounds that's made in the UK, seventy pence goes towards foreign aid.
That is a '
massive' O.7%
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 08: PM
£13.4 billion IS massive to most people
You need a base-line if you are going to compare 'A' with 'B'. When we compare the national averages then the UK is at the top end of the scale but in no way can it be said to be 'massive' in comparison to the average.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 08: PM
But I don't care what the figure is ...it needs to stop- now.
Which is the real point. If it was 0.00007% you still would want it to be ended.
Quote from: mk1 on November 22, 2019, 08: PMIf it was 0.00007% you still would want it to be ended.
By Jove I think he's got it! -
CORRECT..charity begins at home.
Cue video/use of racist term......boom.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
Hey Guys and gals, lighten up.....................
Better watch out, The Xenophobic Racists might deploy their faux outrage again and say you are trying to sneak in the Minstrel tradition of 'darkening up'!
The problem is 'they' dare not say what they actually mean but if you catch them out the mask sometimes slips and they accidentally blurt out the truth. For example here is someone claiming it is the spending of Foreign Aid on Nuclear Weapons that concerns them:
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 03: PM
Countries developing nuclear weapons do not need overseas aid from UK................
but when confronted by the evidence that the UK spent money on Nuclear Weapons whilst receiving Foreign Aid from the USA he exploded and completely abandoned his cover story:
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
This will come as no surprise but I couldn't give a flying f*c* about the Marshal Plan...............
And:
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
I don't really care if it's 50 pence.....
You can not reason with someone who basis his views on blind prejudice.
Quote from: mk1 on November 23, 2019, 06: AM
You can not reason with someone who basis his views on blind prejudice.
Kettle calling flying pan........Nope you have started playing the race card.....Dark**....Minsterel Tradition......dangerous ground you really should think about where you are heading.
For me it is all about the money. Spend it in UK
Not overseas.
Simples ;) ;) ;) ;)
Cue extended response with quotes....mention a few racist words and try turning it around.......zzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: admin on November 22, 2019, 05: PM
No - you can't say that sort of thing online (or anywhere else, for that matter). Be warned.
Actually you can.
This from youtube
https://youtu.be/qSIj17xbAyk?t=54
A western classic that we all have heard 100s of times with no idea of what the original lyrics are saying
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This children's classic is also popular despite the original intent of the composer:
https://youtu.be/dMK45nYx4oc?t=97
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and the words show the way songwriters would write (in a way they believe slaves spoke) how the happy slaves would act when they finish their dawn to dusk toiling in the cotton-fields. They would sing and dance and praise the 'massa' for providing them with food and shelter.
I make no apology for exposing the closet racists by mocking them with the way attitudes have changed whilst they stand rooted in the past . They are exactly like the people who wrote and performed those songs in 'happy slave speak'. The xenophobic claptrap they spout is every bit as disturbing as the views of those who (even today) defended the original words to those songs. What was once the norm is not now the norm. Times and attitudes change and you adapt and move on. You do not actively campaign for a return to the Good (for you) Old Days when you could call a spade a spade and a Black Man a N*******.
The phrase I used that provoked the faux outrage is lifted from
MY MAMMY'S LULLABY. 3rd line of the third verse
http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/songster/54-my-mammys-lullaby.htm
Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/_tuu5YtkPIo?t=61
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
Cue extended response with quotes....mention a few racist words and try turning it around.......zzzzzzzzzz
L'esprit de l'escalier but unfortunately you got caught altering your post!
Quote from: mk1 on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
The phrase I used
Why use it?
Too much drivel...too late to justify your offensive post.
As usual you leap in with some odd explanation and a selection of videos but say nothing about the thread subject.
Simple question to the forums diversity advisor, MK1.
Do you think we should continue handing over 13+ Billion a year in overseas aid?
You don't address your original faux pas with your home 'lyric' by bombarding us with even more offensive lyrics dressed up in a thin veneeri of the idea you're 'educating' us. You aren't so stop talking down to people.
You're trouble is you constantly have to go over the top of what's necessary to prove to yourself any point you're making.....not us.
Odd how David's been desperately banging away at finding a hint of racist comment from a 'brexiteer' so he can address and cure the devil's disciples as God ordained and joyously prove to himself he was right. And look who fell into the trap! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
You don't address your original faux pas
When exactly was that again?
Amnesia struck again....or worse still selective amnesia....?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
dressed up in a thin veneeri of the idea you're 'educating' us.
Good Lord where did you get the impression I was trying to educate you?
Quote from: mk1 on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
dressed up in a thin veneeri of the idea you're 'educating' us.
Good Lord where did you get the impression I was trying to educate you?
You're so obviously not 'educating' anyone, you just believe you are, hence the use of the words 'thin veneer', On reflection I should really have said 'thinnest of veneers'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 07: AM
You're so obviously not 'educating' anyone,
Obviously.
Where is that quote about pork when you need it?
Doubtless you'll have it somewhere....although like your flares, a bit dated now.
A warning ... the next person to post what the admins. consider to be offensive/racist material may find they're placed on pre-mod.
PS - we rarely get posts reported but this has happened today - and we don't want a repeat.
Well what can you say about that gem of a post, puerile, offensive, disgusting, racist and totally unwarranted.......
Quote from: DRiddle on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
Mk1, don't you be coming on here with your knowledge, facts and evidence based arguments. There's no place for that on this forum.
What people like here are meaningless platitudes. Awareness, expertise, knowledge and factual information are frowned upon.
P.S Brexit means Brexit.
There you go David..... An honest opinion about foreign aid and you dredge up Brexit to try and belittle the poster......Is it any wonder none one wants to engage with you.
Quote from: fred c on November 23, 2019, 09: AM
An honest opinion about foreign aid and you dredge up Brexit to try and belittle the poster......Is it any wonder none one wants to engage with you.
Not quite correct.
A poster said aid should not be given to foreign countries who are developing Nuclear Weapons.
It was pointed out that the UK received Foreign Aid whilst it was developing Nuclear Weapons.
Came thus the reply:
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 04: PM
This will come as no surprise but I couldn't give a flying f*c* about the Marshal Plan 74 years ago back in 1945
The original 'Nuclear Weapons' reason not even remotely an 'honest' opinion.
Later he did post his honest opinion:
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
I don't really care if it's 50 pence.....
Here's the irony some of the kippers are missing.
You're alluding to Pakistan right? A country that's a big recipient of foreign aid, yet also spends money on nuclear weapons.
If you sit back and do NOTHING about poverty, corrupt governance, lack of education, famine, disease, natural disasters etc. overseas, do you know what you run the risk of?
Mass migration.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 10: AM
do you know what you run the risk of?
Mass migration.
If the UK did not invade or destroy countries then the refugee problem would shrink dramatically. The UK had had a leading role if the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. You can not cause that much death and destruction then sit back and refuse to deal with the consequences. You break it , you fix it.
The Pakistan Nuclear Bomb is in reality the Saudi Nuclear Bomb. The Saudis bought and paid for it and they have direct and unfettered access to the technology and weaponry. .
The deception The West pulled on Libya (they persuaded Gaddafi to stop his Nuclear program and then allowed him to be murdered when he was defenceless) means no other country is ever going to give up their bomb. North Korea will never give up its Nuclear Weapons after seeing what happened in Libya. Pakistan too is untouchable.
Quote from: mk1 on November 23, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 10: AM
do you know what you run the risk of?
Mass migration.
Pakistan too is untouchable.
Doesn't mean we have to pay for it.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 10: AM
You're alluding to Pakistan right? A country that's a big recipient of foreign aid, yet also spends money on nuclear weapons.
Penny's dropped eh? = they do not need our money.
QuoteIf you sit back and do NOTHING about poverty, corrupt governance, lack of education, famine aka hunger, disease, natural disasters aka flooding etc. overseas all problems here in uk, do you know what you run the risk of?
Mass migration.
Solved by immigration CONTROL ;)
I guess you have just argued FOR Brexit-cheers for that ;)
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 10: AM
QuoteIf you sit back and do NOTHING about poverty, corrupt governance, lack of education, famine aka hunger, disease, natural disasters aka flooding etc. overseas all problems here in uk, do you know what you run the risk of?
Simple logic eh, but applied logically every country in the world could use that line..."Give us foreign aid or we come to your country". Really? I can see us responding to a crisis, but not sending a big fat cheque to the same old places annually, that is lunacy.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 22, 2019, 07: PM
Hey Guys and gals, lighten up! Even though Mk1 can be' hard going' at times ;)...can't we all :)....I don't believe he was being or intended to be racist but imo was being satirical (if that's the right word?).
I am surprised you appear to be defending his offensive language.
For the sake of clarity;
Satirical
A satirical drawing, piece of writing, or comedy show is one in which humour or exaggeration is used to criticize something.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/satirical (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/satirical)
Darky
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/darkies (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/darkies)
offensive, slang -an offensive word for a Black person
Still want to defend his use of the word?
I wouldn't defend racial abuse, verbal or otherwise but I really think some on here are making a mountain out of a molehill! Yeh, if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm certain that Mk1 wouldn't 'let it go', as he has shown with the Shane saga....but for the sake of one daft word, you're all turning into Mk1 mk2's!
Who exactly (in the world) decided that the 'D' word is offensive? Did anyone ask certain races of people if they are offended by it?
Btw, Here's a one for you all. Have you ever watched certain vids on Youtube, where several American black folk are arguing / fighting and they use the N word to each other. Are they being racist...to their own race? Sure as hell confuses me! Not sure if I mentioned this next bit before,either...but for the record, my wife is 'dark skinned'! Our two children have a 'tint' as folk might say. Read into all that what you will. Having said all that and just for the record again, I believe the UK should stop foreign aid except in the case of disasters, famines, etc, and NOT to bribe corrupt Governments to buy our Arms! We should also stop (mass) immigration, except in the most extreme humanitarian cases.
Admin note: We have edited and removed some of this post, as it could easily lead this forum into seas where we prefer not to swim
What colour is the sky in your world?
Your last sentence tells us what you are.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 03: PM
What colour is the sky in your world?
Your last sentence tells us what you are.
Hi IK, is your post directed at me? If so, can you explain your comments please.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 02: PMI can see us responding to a crisis, but not sending a big fat cheque to the same old places annually, that is lunacy.
Sensible approach ;)
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 23, 2019, 03: PM
I believe the UK should stop foreign aid except in the case of disasters, famines, etc, and NOT to bribe corrupt Governments to buy our Arms! We should also stop (mass) immigration, except in the most extreme humanitarian cases.
The voice of sanity :)
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 23, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 03: PM
What colour is the sky in your world?
Your last sentence tells us what you are.
Hi IK, is your post directed at me? If so, can you explain your comments please.
Yes, did you read the last sentence of your post that has been amended by admin....?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 23, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 03: PM
What colour is the sky in your world?
Your last sentence tells us what you are.
Hi IK, is your post directed at me? If so, can you explain your comments please.
Yes, did you read the last sentence of your post that has been amended by admin....?
Yes, I did read it...I wrote it! Are you referring to the one that was removed or the (last) one that's still there? I'm still confused by your comments.
Not that I post an awful lot on here, but I'm completely done with this place. The sneering arrogance of a bloke that I, along with many others had a lot of time for, and the obsessive, bordering on maniacal, repetition from another just make it a chore to read let alone interact with.
Don't leave, this board is worth saving, I'm staying put.
Quote from: ReturntoZenda on November 23, 2019, 05: PM
Not that I post an awful lot on here, but I'm completely done with this place. The sneering arrogance of a bloke that I, along with many others had a lot of time for, and the obsessive, bordering on maniacal, repetition from another just make it a chore to read let alone interact with.
Strangely no one was bothered when I was tackling the Labour Party. I had thought this was a forum where
all Politicians were to be taken to task Over the years Labour, The Tories & UKIP were all targets but I began to notice after Shane was elected that no one was really taking him to task. Almost the first thing Shane did was make a deal with the Tories and the SCABs and that was just the start. Turns out he lies and cheats just as much as they did but hardly anyone was making much of a fuss about it.
I am not going to keep quiet about it and that clearly upset many. Not having any emotional or policy attachment to the Brexit Party incomers I simply kept on doing what I did when Labour were in charge. What changed was that many who pretended they also were attacking
all politicians were only interested in attacking
Labour politicians. They are quite happy to keep on insulting Labour but get very upset when anyone tackles Shane in the same manner. In short it is not me who changed it is the Shane fan club who changed.
So if anyone is claiming I am too hard on Shane or am holding him to a higher standard than I did Labour then repost what you think is the best example of my 'picking' on Shane.
Also can you link me to an attack on a Labour figure by me where
at the time you complained it was over-the-top and unjustified.
Let us see if anyone can substantiate their charges.
Fact is, no one cares. I don't want to sound unreasonable, but saying you're not going to keep quiet about it is irrelevant because no one is listening anymore.
Shane and his group will be judged by the electorate in May as this Council is only a temporary state of affairs anyway. Their choice will be final.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 23, 2019, 08: PM
Fact is, no one cares. I don't want to sound unreasonable, but saying you're not going to keep quiet about it is irrelevant because no one is listening anymore.
Shane and his group will be judged by the electorate in May as this Council is only a temporary state of affairs anyway. Their choice will be final.
LOL correct - nobody really cares what you think but it is fun flicking the MK1/Riddle switch occasionally.
QuoteSolved by immigration CONTROL ;)
Ah yes, leaving the EU will enable us to impose tighter restrictions on immigration from . . . . . . Pakistan.
Lol.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 11: PM
Ah yes, leaving the EU will enable us to impose tighter restrictions on immigration from . . . . . . Pakistan.
I know one of the conditions India is insisting is a part of any post-Brexit new trade deal is easier access for its nationals.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 11: PM
QuoteSolved by immigration CONTROL ;)
Ah yes, leaving the EU will enable us to impose tighter restrictions on immigration from . . . . . . Pakistan.
Lol.
You are disturbingly obsessive on this topic.
Quote from: mk1 on November 23, 2019, 11: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 11: PM
Ah yes, leaving the EU will enable us to impose tighter restrictions on immigration from . . . . . . Pakistan.
I know one of the conditions India is insisting ......
and how exactly do you
"know" do we have a bonafide Indian trade negotiator amongst us?
Or did you have a few lager tops and mean to say " I read "? :o
Obviously if you "
know" provide proof ;) ( not hearsay- something you heard or read)
These people must have heads the size of the old Fylingdale Golf Ball Radar covers to store all the information. Are we dealing with aliens....?
As usual "The MK1 Riddle" results in a suggestion drifting off into Brexit/Imigration/"Britain is to blame for the woes of the world".........
For contributors here who are actually actively involved in politics
or
delusional attention seekers describing themselves as independent (one man parties?) .......
perhaps you could all ask your "leaders" if elected, if they would stop throwing money away on countries that have enough of their own and spend it in UK?
None of the parties seem to be prepared to even consider the idea.......probably frightened of the race/British empire/ it is our fault for everything grenade going off.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 24, 2019, 08: AM
Are we dealing with aliens....?
Shape-shifting lizards perhaps? But you have to ask if you could change the way you look would you chose this for everyday use?
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Quote from: DRiddle on November 23, 2019, 11: PM
QuoteSolved by immigration CONTROL ;)
Ah yes, leaving the EU will enable us to impose tighter restrictions on immigration from . . . . . . Pakistan.
Lol.
You really are becoming tiresome with this immigration claptrap David, are you attempting to show off The Hartlepool Post as a hotbed of racist and misogynistic howling at the moon bong eyed loonies.
Your constant unpleasant insinuations are totally out of order and if you have any proof of Post Members being responsible for racist literature, social media posts or videos of any such behaviour take it to the appropriate authorities.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 08: AM
None of the parties seem to be prepared to even consider the idea.......probably frightened of the race/British empire/ it is our fault for everything grenade going off.
Perhaps they are like the citizens of the USA who decided they would be better off helping the destitute. The UK received
$25 billion (in today's money)in handouts via The Marshall Plan and still squandered money on Nuclear Weapons.
If it good enough for God's Own Country then it should be good enough for Little Englander Land!
Someone starts a thread about foreign aid.
I point out one of the many benefits of foreign aid is it helps reduce the need for mass migration.
Someone points out immigration control can do that which will be helped by Brexit.
I point out 'not in the countries receiving foreign aid it won't, we already 'control our borders' regarding those countries.
I'm accused of calling people racists.
This forum has gone to the dogs.
Quote from: mk1 on November 24, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 08: AM
None of the parties seem to be prepared to even consider the idea.......probably frightened of the race/British empire/ it is our fault for everything grenade going off.
Perhaps they are like the citizens of the USA who decided they would be better off helping the destitute. The UK received $25 billion (in today's money)in handouts via The Marshall Plan and still squandered money on Nuclear Weapons.
If it good enough for God's Own Country then it should be good enough for Little Englander Land!
The records stuck.......welcome to 2019 soon to be 2020.....
If you want to fixate on what happened in 1945 crack on.....the rest of the planet are trying to deal with the future.
As I said earlier
I don't care what happened in 1945. I want us to stop sending MASSIVE amounts of money ( que red letters and a silly quote) aka over 13 Billion a year overseas when we need it here in UK.
If you want to fund the rest of the world fill yer boots and get your credit card out ;)
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 07: AM
how exactly do you "know" do we have a bonafide Indian trade negotiator amongst us?
Or did you................. mean to say " I read "?
You don't like the reality but desperate to put up some form of rebuff you default to semantics.
Fact is India will demand the weakened Little Englanderland (formerly known as The UK) allows easier access for its people.
Even the Sun wot won it has had to face reality.
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Australia has also indicated it wants the same.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 24, 2019, 10: AM
QuoteSomeone starts a thread about foreign aid.
I point out one of the many benefits of foreign aid is it helps reduce the need for mass migration
.
So we pay people not to migrate elsewhere because if we do not there will be mass migration?? :o
QuoteSomeone points out immigration control can do that which will be helped by Brexit.
I point out 'not in the countries receiving foreign aid it won't, we already 'control our borders' regarding those countries.
So your argument is if we do not fund other countries then they will all want to migrate and we already control our borders?
The issue is we have not had effective border control.
QuoteI'm accused of calling people racists.
Not sure by who? Anyone advocating brexit and any form of border control seems to be...and god help anyone who simply states we should spend our money in UK ON UK.
QuoteThis forum has gone to the dogs.
I'm not sure about that but some posters are starting to rant and losing it.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
So we pay people not to migrate elsewhere because if we do not there will be mass migration??
I am astounded you did not know this. Have you not read they way Turkey is extorting massive amounts of money from the EU by threatening
not to corral all the Syrians and allow them free passage into Europe?
Example
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/mar/26/scheme-cash-transfer-turkey-1m-refugees-eu-aid
Libya is also getting billions in EU 'Aid' to lock up migrants before they reach Europe
Sophie in 't Veld, a Dutch MEP on the committee, said: "Over the years, billions of euros have flown into Libya with the sole purpose of keeping migrants away from Europe. It is basically part of Fortress Europe, the European equivalent of Trump's wall. Just a lot more lethal than the wall.
"So maybe fewer people have drowned, fewer have reached the shores of Europe. But instead countless people died in the desert, were sold on slave markets, were tortured, raped and starved in Libyan detention camps, or were caught amidst violent conflict.
"Meanwhile, people smugglers are thriving. No one in their right mind can call this a success. This policy is morally and financially bankrupt."https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/migrants-detained-in-libya-for-profit-leaked-eu-report-reveals
Quote from: mk1 on November 24, 2019, 10: AM
desperate to put up some form of rebuff you default to semantics.
Mmmm no much to your annoyance I do not accept everything you say as "Gospel" and asked how you
"Know"What a surprise you "know" because you read it in .....The Sun......must be true then ;)
I was wondering how long it would take for the Little Englanderland drivel to re surface..... :)
Question MKIRiddle what are you proposing "weakened Little Englanderland" funds every country in the world? Are you happy we send 13 billion a year overseas while essential services in UK are underfunded?
Or are you just here to ridicule everything Uk does and anyone who suggests we put ourselves first?
Ok a clue Europe
Remove "Europe" from the equation. If we are not part of Europe and it is not our problem.
Que racism accusations from Riddle
Bong Eyed Little Englander comments from MK1
I want 13 billlion to be spent in UK. End ;D
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
Remove "Europe" from the equation.
The UK is part of Europe. Even Little Englanderland will be keeping its links with the EU and will work with the EU to solve the migrant problem. Boris will have to keep paying Turkey and Libya their Danegeld no matter what happens
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
I want 13 billlion to be spent in UK.
Just like you wanted the 350 Million to be spent on the NHS.
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The trouble with the sign on the bus is it promises nothing, but suggests what could be done with the money. It was more of a why not do this but I see no promise there.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
The trouble with the sign on the bus is it promises nothing, but suggests what could be done with the money. It was more of a why not do this but I see no promise there.
Just say what you see -A lie!
The poster message seems pretty clear on where the money was to be spent :
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Quote from: mk1 on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
Remove "Europe" from the equation.
The UK is part of Europe. Even Little Englanderland will be keeping its links with the EU and will work with the EU to solve the migrant problem. Boris will have to keep paying Turkey and Libya their Danegeld no matter what happens
Again deflection ......you can babble on as much as you like once we have stopped handling over 13 billion a year.
QuoteThe department delivering Britain's foreign aid could be scrapped if the Conservatives win the general election, a minister has said.
Heather Wheeler came under fire after refusing to confirm a "stand-alone" department for international development (Dfid) would survive a Tory victory.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/foreign-aid-uk-department-international-development-conservatives-election-a9188006.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/foreign-aid-uk-department-international-development-conservatives-election-a9188006.html)
Guess I'm not the only one who thinks money would be best spent at home?
Tick for Conservatives then......
Quote from: mk1 on November 23, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: ReturntoZenda on November 23, 2019, 05: PM
Not that I post an awful lot on here, but I'm completely done with this place. The sneering arrogance of a bloke that I, along with many others had a lot of time for, and the obsessive, bordering on maniacal, repetition from another just make it a chore to read let alone interact with.
Strangely no one was bothered when I was tackling the Labour Party. I had thought this was a forum where all Politicians were to be taken to task Over the years Labour, The Tories & UKIP were all targets but I began to notice after Shane was elected that no one was really taking him to task. Almost the first thing Shane did was make a deal with the Tories and the SCABs and that was just the start. Turns out he lies and cheats just as much as they did but hardly anyone was making much of a fuss about it.
I am not going to keep quiet about it and that clearly upset many. Not having any emotional or policy attachment to the Brexit Party incomers I simply kept on doing what I did when Labour were in charge. What changed was that many who pretended they also were attacking all politicians were only interested in attacking Labour politicians. They are quite happy to keep on insulting Labour but get very upset when anyone tackles Shane in the same manner. In short it is not me who changed it is the Shane fan club who changed.
So if anyone is claiming I am too hard on Shane or am holding him to a higher standard than I did Labour then repost what you think is the best example of my 'picking' on Shane.
Also can you link me to an attack on a Labour figure by me where at the time you complained it was over-the-top and unjustified.
Let us see if anyone can substantiate their charges.
I didn't realise that you were the sole nemesis of Hartlepool Labour on your Jack Jones......But hey ho I learn something every day.
Quote from: mk1 on November 24, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 24, 2019, 11: AM
The trouble with the sign on the bus is it promises nothing, but suggests what could be done with the money. It was more of a why not do this but I see no promise there.
Just say what you see -A lie!
The poster message seems pretty clear on where the money was to be spent :
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There's a big difference between being right and thinking you're right.You fall into the latter category.
Quote from: fred c on November 24, 2019, 02: PM
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I didn't realise that you were the sole nemesis of Hartlepool Labour on your Jack Jones......But hey ho I learn something every day.
Never said I was Fred. However I do remember when another member told me he would not help me with a post I was working on because he was scared Harry would retaliate.
Are you insinuating that was me ?
Quote from: fred c on November 24, 2019, 05: PM
Are you insinuating that was me ?
I never mentioned you.
Quote from: fred c on November 24, 2019, 02: PM
Strangely no one was bothered when I was tackling the Labour Party. I had thought this was a forum where all Politicians were to be taken to task Over the years Labour, The Tories & UKIP were all targets but I began to notice after Shane was elected that no one was really taking him to task. Almost the first thing Shane did was make a deal with the Tories and the SCABs and that was just the start. Turns out he lies and cheats just as much as they did but hardly anyone was making much of a fuss about it.
I am not going to keep quiet about it and that clearly upset many. Not having any emotional or policy attachment to the Brexit Party incomers I simply kept on doing what I did when Labour were in charge. What changed was that many who pretended they also were attacking all politicians were only interested in attacking Labour politicians. They are quite happy to keep on insulting Labour but get very upset when anyone tackles Shane in the same manner. In short it is not me who changed it is the Shane fan club who changed.
So if anyone is claiming I am too hard on Shane or am holding him to a higher standard than I did Labour then repost what you think is the best example of my 'picking' on Shane.
Also can you link me to an attack on a Labour figure by me where at the time you complained it was over-the-top and unjustified.
Let us see if anyone can substantiate their charges.
This is a statement of your job description on this board.
You come on to criticise anyone in power and get the maximum return out of the smallest misdemeanours. You set your set yourself up as Judge, Jury and chunterer.
You appear to dislike most Party's, (you can tell the ones you're backing, it's not hard to spot) and appear to love an hatchet job no matter who's in power as they're judged by your uniquely imperious standards sadly.
The boards very own Black Knight of Python fame, incapable of compromise or reasoned practical debate.
I've been asking for "reasoned practical debate" in recent weeks. You refuse Mr Knacker. Sad times on a once interesting forum.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2019, 12: PM
I've been asking for "reasoned practical debate" in recent weeks. You refuse Mr Knacker. Sad times on a once interesting forum.
Actually you have been demanding people declare their views on a range of issues and implying anyone who thinks Brexit is a good idea is really fixated on immigration. As their views appear to be different to yours their views are none of your business and there is no need to debate.
Now if yourself and MK1 want to start a thread and argue the toss between yourselves great go for it.
I ask why we spend money on overseas aid rather than on the needs of UK.
I'm not sure which parties the members of this forum support nor do I care- but some feedback from the political activists hanging out here regarding the issue would be of interest.None of the political parties other than maybe the Tories are addressing the Elephant in the corner of the room....Hubris aka Mr Brexit ignores any requests for clarity.
The views of politically active "independents" (as in you?) are basically irrelevant as they have no more influence on the issue than a "average" voter in fact they probably have even less as they waste a vote on "independents".
So the idea of debating something the politicians are ignoring, here with you as an Independent seems pointless.
For the record I say stop giving it away. Spend it in UK. Charity is a luxury to be handed out when you hav taken care of your own- and it begins at home.
Cue immigration/brexit/1945/british empire failings/Britain is responsible for the wrongs of the world/Bong Eyed Looney comments with associated YouTube videos. :o :o :o
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2019, 12: PM
I've been asking for "reasoned practical debate" in recent weeks. You refuse Mr Knacker. Sad times on a once interesting forum.
Dear David ,
You've been demanding our attention like a teacher with a problematic reception class. You go into a lazy belief you can command our attention and we will obey as we are in the presence of a superior intellect and astonishingly so because you don't know some of the people you are lording it over.
You appear to work on the principle that your a sort of EU Missionary dealing with leavers and therefore a few shiny trinkets should tempt the monkeys down from the trees of ignorance and then if I can can find the rabid Xenophobic racist who reacts to the word immigration I can denounce them all and declare the board a lost cause.
A reasoned debate with you would be a farce, you'd pull out your I-Spy book of 'Remain or Die Horribly' and come out with all the old bull and propaganda. You'd concede nothing and claim righteousness as a right.
I'm astounded you haven't tagged on no one wants to debate with you, but crack on. After all you'll be gone on 13th December when the elections over and you filled the board up with nonsense for duration.
P.S. As for sad times on a once interesting forum, does that mean it's only good when you turn up and get your way....?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2019, 12: PM
I've been asking for "reasoned practical debate" in recent weeks. You refuse Mr Knacker. Sad times on a once interesting forum.
You need to read this comment again, you have not be asking for reasonable debate, initially you may have tried to instigate debate but when it became blindly obvious that no one wanted to engage with you on your chosen subject you resorted to demanding debate.
When it was once again blindly obvious that 'no one' was interested in your constant demands to discuss your chosen subject, you still brought it up ad infinitum.
For a clever fella David you seem to be taking an awfully long time in coming round to the conclusion that 'no one' wants to discuss said topic, why is it so desperately important to you to know the opinions of post members on this topic, surely you can enter into discussions with work colleagues or friends over a few pints, you may already be engaged in such discussions, hows that going ?
Quote from: fred c on November 25, 2019, 03: PM
surely you can enter into discussions with work colleagues or friends over a few pints, you may already be engaged in such discussions, hows that going ?
...but that wouldn't clog the board up pre-election. Mind you if you asked your mates the same question that many times you'd be Billy no mates in the Remainers Arms.
A debate would be welcome...but when Leave voters on here actually say how they feel with regard to immigration, they will no doubt be subject to cries of 'racist'. I've said a few things earlier regarding my 'mixed race family' but that doesn't mean that I agree with open borders with all and sundry coming here. Where I live, there is a mix of several different races / cultures and everyone seems to get along fine. We may not always agree with their way of life but we live and let live. I even get along with a staunch LABOUR voter over the road :o, a very nice man and he has some fascinating stories / experiences to tell. Whatever happens with Brexit, whenever that will be (or not!), life in Hartlepool will still go on, although some people on either side will think it's the end of the world! Nuff said!
Quotecome out with all the old bull and propaganda
Do you mean facts and evidence?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2019, 07: PM
Quotecome out with all the old bull and propaganda
Do you mean facts and evidence?
Oh dear
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Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 25, 2019, 12: PM
You come on to criticise anyone in power and get the maximum return out of the smallest misdemeanours. You set your set yourself up as Judge, Jury and chunterer.
You appear to dislike most Party's, (you can tell the ones you're backing, it's not hard to spot) and appear to love an hatchet job no matter who's in power as they're judged by your uniquely imperious standards sadly.
The boards very own Black Knight of Python fame, incapable of compromise or reasoned practical debate.
I am doing nothing more than continuing what the board had been doing for over a decade. All political parties got a kicking. Politicians of all colours were treated with the utmost disrespect and personal abuse was a common tactic. SAB was 'fat-shamed' constantly and everyone was in on the act,
everyone.What has happened is that a politician is now in charge of Hartlepool Council who reflects the political views of the many here who
pretended they were apolitical. Suddenly 'the board' became very forgiving about lies and deception as long as those lies forwarded their political agenda.
I did not change the 'board' changed. I never backed/supported any party and I assume that misconception (polite way of saying lie)is a failing common in those who hold extreme views- anyone not 100% supportive of their myopic world view is seen as the rabid polar opposite of their own chosen craziness.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 25, 2019, 02: PM
The views of politically active "independents" (as in you?) are basically irrelevant as they have no more influence on the issue than a "average" voter in fact they probably have even less as they waste a vote on "independents".
Independent voters are the key to all elections. Most political parties have a core vote that will vote for them no matter what. Usually this core is not enough to give them power so the whole of the party effort is directed towards winning over enough independent voters to get them over the winning line. All elections centre of watering down their manifesto from what they would like it to be to a tamer version that will attract enough independents to gain power where they can then carry out only thier extreme policies and ignore the independents until the next election.Trump is basing his whole electoral a strategy on keeping his base happy and totally ignoring the views of anyone who does not support him. Because of the US Electoral College system this means he can gain power with a minority vote. Trump makes no bones about pandering to his base ('I love the uneducated') and that seems to be the way the UK is headed. Winner-take-all politics where those in power lie cheat and game the system in favour of themselves and where the supporters of the winning party abandon all principle and defend to the death their right to impose their will because it is 'the voice of the people'.
Quote from: mk1 on November 25, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 25, 2019, 02: PM
The views of politically active "independents" (as in you?) are basically irrelevant as they have no more influence on the issue than a "average" voter in fact they probably have even less as they waste a vote on "independents".
Independent voters are the key to all elections. Most political parties have a core vote that will vote for them no matter what. Usually this core is not enough to give them power so the whole of the party effort is directed towards winning over enough independent voters to get them over the winning line. All elections centre of watering down their manifesto from what they would like it to be to a tamer version that will attract enough independents to gain power where they can then carry out only thier extreme policies and ignore the independents until the next election.Trump is basing his whole electoral a strategy on keeping his base happy and totally ignoring the views of anyone who does not support him. Because of the US Electoral College system this means he can gain power with a minority vote. Trump makes no bones about pandering to his base ('I love the uneducated') and that seems to be the way the UK is headed. Winner-take-all politics where those in power lie cheat and game the system in favour of themselves and where the supporters of the winning party abandon all principle and defend to the death their right to impose their will because it is 'the voice of the people'.
Briefly you're saying anyone voting for someone you disapprove of is thick.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2019, 07: PM
Quotecome out with all the old bull and propaganda
Do you mean facts and evidence?
Here we go, 'facts and evidence'. Despite your veneer of reasonableness, you remind me of those who seek the views of all and then bin the views of those that don't coincide with your vision. Your 'facts and evidence'. ::)
Quote from: mk1 on November 25, 2019, 09: PM
Winner-take-all politics where those in power lie cheat and game the system in favour of themselves and where the supporters of the winning party abandon all principle and defend to the death their right to impose their will because it is 'the voice of the people'.
So what's new?
The options?
Conservative? At least they will take us out of Europe.
Labour aka the unions? Hell bent on dragging us back to the winter of discontent led by a bunch of 1970s marxists.
Rest of them no chance.
As I said all politicians are self serving sh**e the only choice we have is what smell we can tolerate and for how long.
QuoteHell bent on dragging us back to the winter of discontent led by a bunch of 1970s marxists.
You've read that in The Daily Mail haven't you? Have you even read anything by Karl Marx?
I'm not advocating Marxism by the way, but to just throw that around because you've heard it said in sections of the main stream media speaks volumes.
Specifically which aspects of Karl Marx's economic ideas do you feel Corbyn would implement if elected?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 08: AM
QuoteHell bent on dragging us back to the winter of discontent led by a bunch of 1970s marxists.
You've read that in The Daily Mail haven't you? Have you even read anything by Karl Marx?
I'm not advocating Marxism by the way, but to just throw that around because you've heard it said in sections of the main stream media speaks volumes.
Specifically which aspects of Karl Marx's economic ideas do you feel Corbyn would implement if elected?
Actually I have and see
https://marxiststudent.com/is-jeremy-corbyn-a-marxist/
QuoteEven if the rich could be made to pay the taxes that Corbyn proposes, it would not be nearly enough to even reverse the cuts of the last nine years. Nor would it stop capitalists from shutting down factories or going bust; a phenomenon rooted in the global crisis of capitalism.
However, if Corbyn is to be elected prime minister and fully carry out a programme of ending austerity, nationalising significant parts of the economy and implementing progressive reforms to benefit the working class, he will inevitably face the revolutionary consequences of trying to do so. Either he will have to go all the way, and mobilise the working class to take power out of the hands of the capitalists, or he will have to backtrack, and submit to their power.
Well intentioned left reformist leaders like Alexis Tsipras to François Hollande are clear examples of the question of reform or revolution. Both of these 'socialist' leaders capitulated to the demands of capitalism whilst trying to implement their programme to end austerity. The same question will be posed to Jeremy Corbyn. Our tasks as Marxists must be to send a clear message to break with capitalism, and carry out the socialist transformation of society.
Even if he is not a classic Marxist his policies will lead the whole country into their arms.....
John Mcdonnell previously identified himself as a marxist but now will neither confirm or deny - what a surprise ?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dale-pushes-john-mcdonnell-marxist/
QuoteIain Dale asked: "But you don't self identify as a Marxist any longer?"
McDonnell replied: "Well, I keep saying I'm almost trying to rehabilitate the reading of Marx in this country."
Iain replied: Surely, if you believe in the basic tenets of Marxism, you shouldn't be ashamed to say 'yes, I am a Marxist'?"
McDonnell replied: "Well, I think that then doesn't portray the breadth of my understanding, because my understanding is that I'm a socialist, and that contains an element of an understanding of Marxist analysis of capitalism, of course.
Either way Labour would bend over for the unions and heyho the winter of discontent 2020.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 08: AM
QuoteHell bent on dragging us back to the winter of discontent led by a bunch of 1970s marxists.
You've read that in The Daily Mail haven't you?
AAAAAAAAGH ...NOT THE Daily Facist
Have you even read anything by Karl Marx?
Obviously you have, you probably influenced him in the initial stages of his preparation of his manifesto.
I'm not advocating Marxism by the way, but to just throw that around because you've heard it said in sections of the main stream media speaks volumes.
Just come out with it David, what your doing is going around the houses, ducking and diving but want to say VOTE LABOUR, because in your eyes the race is between two party's and you're terrified that if the Brexit Party win, your EU dreamworld will be in pieces.
Specifically which aspects of Karl Marx's economic ideas do you feel Corbyn would implement if elected?
Here we go.... ::) What about free Tupperware for every family, Every town to have it's own lawnmower museum, free Marx Brothers films for everyone from 'Landfill DVD's' with the humour and action removed..... the list is endless and using Corblimeynomics, virtually free.
David carry's on his crusade to keep us in the EU still scouring the board for a victim he can condemn as morally deficient and in his world we all drop down in front of him are converted to remain, a sort of political baptism.... only in his world.
Just tell us you support Labour, we can laugh and you can carry on looking for someone to talk to something, anything about.......... ?......... ah, what about 'Mediaeval birthing techniques and midwifery in 12th Century Bulgaria'...? You'll have an opinion on it for sure.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
because in your eyes the race is between two party's
That might be because it is. No one who deals with the reality would even suggest otherwise. The only real unknown is which way the Tory Remainers will vote.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
you're terrified that if the Brexit Party win...................
Why would anyone be worried that UKIP Part Deux would 'win'? Only the dumbest of fruitcakes would believe that is even a remote possibility.
No party languishing on 4% has
any chance of a victory.
The dreams over. You had 6 months of Rapture with ludicrous dreams of a GE landslide
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and now reality has arrive and bit you on the ar*se.
Enjoy your time in the wilderness.
QuoteOn May the 3rd the people of this town MUST wake up to the short comings of certain people seated in our council chamber. I say 'our' council chamber because it belongs to us, the people of Hartlepool, not to any one individual or any specific political party.
My suggestion is this. Vote for change, genuine change, whoever that might be. I don't care if that's Hartlepool First, Conservatives of one form or other, liberals or independents. I'll leave that for you to decide, BUT vote for anyone, literally anyone but Labour, even if in the General election you are a Labour voter.
Open your eyes and see where a quarter of a century worth of predominantly Labour councilors has got us. Look at Baden Street, the situation with the hospital, the community interest companies that appear to being everything BUT what they purport to be, the unemployment, the crime, the high council tax, the millions and millions of pounds that are being wasted year after year.
That's an extract from literally the VERY FIRST post I made on this forum. Do i SOUND like a traditional Labour voter? I saw on day ONE (as did some others who post on here) what the end of the Drummond era would spell for Hartlepool. What 'that' Labour council with Akers-Belcher at the helm would spell for Hartlepool. I didn't play my part in trying to address that for the council to be replaced by a far right bunch of chancers.
The bottom line is, people who voted brexit were absolutely reluctant to say why they did it. Eventually we progress from 10p off a packet of tampons and the right to buy noisy hoovers to ............. foreign aid.
I imagine if i'd kept tapping on the hornets nest for a bit longer some people would have eventually raised immigration as their main concern.
You assumed i would then cry 'racist'.
Being concerned about immigration doesn't make you a racist.
But being unwilling to say 'I'm worried about immigration' makes me curious as to the specific concerns you have about the issue of immigration.
The subject of this thread was the issue of Britain handing over wads of money to countries that have enough money of their own.
As usual a few have dragged immigration/brexit/raving loonies/Hartlepool Clowncil into the mix.Suggest stopping the hand outs = mass immigration= something brexeteers want to control= racists.
None of the Party acolytes that frequent this forum have the balls to declare how their party can defend wasting so much money.
None of them are prepared to justify us handing over 13b + a year to fund nuclear weapons, space adventures and even reducing salt intake in China......complete lunacy.
Yet another argument against the current UK political system and the clowns nationally and locally who we seem to just keep electing.
I am not surprised they all ignore the Elephant in the Corner of the room being terrified as been seen as racist etc....I guess anyone with any morals or balls would not dream of standing for political office nationally or locally - the fact they do leads to a simple conclusion they are attention seekers who have massively over inflated egos.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
But being unwilling to say 'I'm worried about immigration' makes me curious as to the specific concerns you have about the issue of immigration.
Why?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 11: AMThe bottom line is, people who voted brexit were absolutely reluctant to say why they did it. Eventually we progress from 10p off a packet of tampons and the right to buy noisy hoovers to ............. foreign aid.
=Only in your weird world
Why are YOU concerned about the specific concerns of members here?
You were a clownciller
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/councillors/name (https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/councillors/name)
indicates you no longer are= nobody is really interested in explain to you why they may/may not have voted to leave the EU, it serves as much purpose as explaining to a stranger in an Asda queue.
and yet again you Shanghai a thread and try and focus on separate issues......now run along to the Labour office and ask them when they will stop all overseas aid? ;)
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
None of them are prepared to justify us handing over 13b + a year to fund nuclear weapons,
Incorrect. I gave you a reason by reminding you (more correctly educating you because you appear not to have known) that the USA gave Billions to the UK in aid whilst the UK was developing nuclear weapons. You reply was bad-tempered rant where you more or less said '
so effing what? The UK is special and the rules I apply to others do not apply to us'. Clearly you were stung that your argument was so completely refuted.
I then addressed your astonishment with the concept that foreign countries should be 'paid' for helping solve the refugee crisis by imprisoning refugees on our behalf. Again your ignorance was astounding. This is exactly what the UK is currently doing with the 2 most public examples being Libya and Turkey. When your ignorance was too obvious to deny you came up with the pathetic excuse that this was a 'EU' problem and would be solved when we leave the UK. It appears you think that because the UK has other countries in between us and the source of the refugees then as the migrants have to traverse another country then that county is entirely responsible for dealing with them. That is the position Turkey is in with the
3.5 million Syrian refugees it currently hosts. Turkey has made it clear that it did not cause the problem and it will not be paying for it and thus has been allocated
6 billion Euros in aid of which half has already been handed over. If you think the EU will continue to pay this and allow the UK to simply walk away then you are deluded. It might interest you to know one of the Turkish conditions for the deal was visa -free travel for Turks into the EU.
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
The subject of this thread was the issue of Britain handing over wads of money to countries that have enough money of their own.
As usual a few have dragged immigration/brexit/raving loonies/Hartlepool Clowncil into the mix.Suggest stopping the hand outs = mass immigration= something brexeteers want to control= racists.
None of the Party acolytes that frequent this forum have the balls to declare how their party can defend wasting so much money.
None of them are prepared to justify us handing over 13b + a year to fund nuclear weapons, space adventures and even reducing salt intake in China......complete lunacy.
Yet another argument against the current UK political system and the clowns nationally and locally who we seem to just keep electing.
I am not surprised they all ignore the Elephant in the Corner of the room being terrified as been seen as racist etc....I guess anyone with any morals or balls would not dream of standing for political office nationally or locally - the fact they do leads to a simple conclusion they are attention seekers who have massively over inflated egos.
Well said, akarjl2.
''But being
unwilling to say 'I'm worried about immigration' makes me curious as to the
specific concerns you have about the issue of immigration''.
People generally and some posters on here and many more forums are 'unwilling' to say ANYTHING controversial because of the racist tag they will no doubt be labelled with. The mods are constantly worried that their forums will be tagged the same...A HOTBED OF RACISTS!
As for 'specific' concerns, different people have different 'specific' concerns/ reasons regarding immigration, naturally. The trouble is, Mr Riddle / Mk1, even when the mildest of comment is made, it provokes outrage, whether individually, locally or nationally. On this forum, you could take certain people to task regarding 'specific' issues but they could not reply how they wanted to, without being censored or banned. I want to say certain things and address issues but I've got to think about
every single word I write just in case it MIGHT offend somebody or some specific group! Can you understand how frustrating that is for people?
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
None of them are prepared to justify us handing over 13b + a year to fund nuclear weapons,
Incorrect. I gave you a reason by reminding you (more correctly educating you because you appear not to have known) that the USA gave Billions to the UK in aid whilst the UK was developing nuclear weapons. You reply was bad-tempered rant where you more or less said 'so effing what? The UK is special and the rules I apply to others do not apply to us'. Clearly you were stung that your argument was so completely refuted.
I then addressed your astonishment with the concept that foreign countries should be 'paid' for helping solve the refugee crisis by imprisoning refugees on our behalf. Again your ignorance was astounding. This is exactly what the UK is currently doing with the 2 most public examples being Libya and Turkey. When your ignorance was too obvious to deny you came up with the pathetic excuse that this was a 'EU' problem and would be solved when we leave the UK. It appears you think that because the UK has other countries in between us and the source of the refugees then as the migrants have to traverse another country then that county is entirely responsible for dealing with them. That is the position Turkey is in with the 3.5 million Syrian refugees it currently hosts. Turkey has made it clear that it did not cause the problem and it will not be paying for it and thus has been allocated 6 billion Euros in aid of which half has already been handed over. If you think the EU will continue to pay this and allow the UK to simply walk away then you are deluded. It might interest you to know one of the Turkish conditions for the deal was visa -free travel for Turks into the EU.
LOL off we go again. Many thanks for "educating" me.
1945 old history.
It is a Eu problem
I could care less about Turkey....
Let me educate you - we are an island ...so if we have effective border control/patrols...unless the migrants can walk on water we don't have much to worry about. ;)
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
On this forum, you could take certain people to task regarding 'specific' issues but they could not reply how they wanted to, without being censored or banned. I want to say certain things and address issues but I've got to think about every single word I write just in case it MIGHT offend somebody or some specific group! Can you understand how frustrating that is for people?
Say what you mean and mean what you say-bxllxcks to them if they don't like it. The mods will let you know if they have issues with your post ;)
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 26, 2019, 01: PM
- we are an island ...so if we have effective border control/patrols...unless the migrants can walk on water we don't have much to worry about. ;)
The refugees at Calais and Dunkirk are just waiting to prove you wrong.
French Minister of the Economy Emmanuel Macron warned that should the UK vote to leave the EU in its June 2016 referendum, the juxtaposed controls arrangements that allow British immigration officials to operate in Calais might be threatened, and that as a consequence the Calais jungle might transfer to Britain.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 12: PM
On this forum, you could take certain people to task regarding 'specific' issues but they could not reply how they wanted to, without being censored or banned. I want to say certain things and address issues but I've got to think about every single word I write just in case it MIGHT offend somebody or some specific group! Can you understand how frustrating that is for people?
Let me put your mind at rest snowflake.
I have never at any time reported a post here.
I have never at any time suggested /recommended anyone be banned.
I have never complained to the Mods that a poster needs sanction.I give the mods here my permission to fact-check the above and the authority to post any email message or interaction with me that shows I am not being truthful.
Now can I ask all of the whingers to make the same declaration?
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 01: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 12: PM
On this forum, you could take certain people to task regarding 'specific' issues but they could not reply how they wanted to, without being censored or banned. I want to say certain things and address issues but I've got to think about every single word I write just in case it MIGHT offend somebody or some specific group! Can you understand how frustrating that is for people?
Let me put your mind at rest snowflake.
I have never at any time reported a post here.
I have never at any time suggested /recommended anyone be banned.
I have never complained to the Mods that a poster needs sanction.
I give the mods here my permission to fact-check the above and the authority to post any email message or interaction with me that shows I am not being truthful.
Now can I ask all of the whingers to make the same declaration?
First point, Mk1 is that I really do try to reply to you and other posters in a polite, non threatening manner. I know that you can do the same as we've had a few exchanges of pleasantries. As for 'snowflake', I really don't know what you are talking about...but let's not dwell on that.
Second point...where in my post have I said / hinted that you have reported a post, suggested / recommended that anyone should be banned or complained to the mods that a poster needs sanction? Please show me.
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
because in your eyes the race is between two party's
That might be because it is. No one who deals with the reality would even suggest otherwise. The only real unknown is which way the Tory Remainers will vote.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
you're terrified that if the Brexit Party win...................
Why would anyone be worried that UKIP Part Deux would 'win'? Only the dumbest of fruitcakes would believe that is even a remote possibility.
No party languishing on 4% has any chance of a victory.
The dreams over. You had 6 months of Rapture with ludicrous dreams of a GE landslide
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/3xJBVn.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po3xJBVnj)
and now reality has arrive and bit you on the ar*se.
Enjoy your time in the wilderness.
I take it this must refer to me and this is the ironic part. You have your usual de rigeuer put down then the very light comedic same old line and make the assumption I'm just another brexiteer romping about in the presence of enlightened ones. I've got news for you, I'm not. ;D
I was shocked on the day after the referendum as we had people talking of a a second referendum.
I was actually shocked at the prospect of a national democratic vote being usurped and you two get the vapours over a tin pot council chamber tiff, do me favour, then you turn a blind eye to a democratic vote without blushing.
My problem...I actually am a Democrat regardless of who won!
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 01: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on November 26, 2019, 01: PM
- we are an island ...so if we have effective border control/patrols...unless the migrants can walk on water we don't have much to worry about. ;)
The refugees at Calais and Dunkirk are just waiting to prove you wrong.
French Minister of the Economy Emmanuel Macron warned that should the UK vote to leave the EU in its June 2016 referendum, the juxtaposed controls arrangements that allow British immigration officials to operate in Calais might be threatened, and that as a consequence the Calais jungle might transfer to Britain.
Are you for real? We'd best stay in or they might cross the channel. Good grief. ::) ::)
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 02: PM
Second point...where in my post have I said / hinted that you have reported a post, suggested / recommended that anyone should be banned or complained to the mods that a poster needs sanction? Please show me.
Its public board and not a one-to-one message service. All posts are are 'general' in nature and if I forget to put the commas around 'you' then its because I am lazy. As such it was more of a shotgun post to catch those here (aka 'you') who talk a lot about how they are censored but at the same time lobby to get others censored. My post is thus in the vein of
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
The bottom line is, people who voted brexit were absolutely reluctant to say why they did it.
And....?
I imagine if i'd kept tapping on the hornets nest for a bit longer some people would have eventually raised immigration as their main concern.
Are you saying your a nark just stirring things up...surely not?
You assumed i would then cry 'racist'.
Of you wouldn't, you'd tell them why they're a bit dim and if they got annoyed then you'd call them 'racist'...?
Being concerned about immigration doesn't make you a racist.
Yes, don people know that
But being unwilling to say 'I'm worried about immigration' makes me curious as to the specific concerns you have about the issue of immigration.
The only person whose pants are close to exploding over the issue of immigration is YOU!
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 11: AM
QuoteOn May the 3rd the people of this town MUST wake up to the short comings of certain people seated in our council chamber. I say 'our' council chamber because it belongs to us, the people of Hartlepool, not to any one individual or any specific political party.
My suggestion is this. Vote for change, genuine change, whoever that might be. I don't care if that's Hartlepool First, Conservatives of one form or other, liberals or independents. I'll leave that for you to decide, BUT vote for anyone, literally anyone but Labour, even if in the General election you are a Labour voter.
Open your eyes and see where a quarter of a century worth of predominantly Labour councilors has got us. Look at Baden Street, the situation with the hospital, the community interest companies that appear to being everything BUT what they purport to be, the unemployment, the crime, the high council tax, the millions and millions of pounds that are being wasted year after year.
That's an extract from literally the VERY FIRST post I made on this forum. Do i SOUND like a traditional Labour voter? I saw on day ONE (as did some others who post on here) what the end of the Drummond era would spell for Hartlepool. What 'that' Labour council with Akers-Belcher at the helm would spell for Hartlepool. I didn't play my part in trying to address that for the council to be replaced by a far right bunch of chancers.
That was an Akers Belcher Council, Labour members were weak. When they departed the Labour group had a golden opportunity to put their house in order and get their their act together. They disappointed me because they sulked. They must have thought they were being smart..... oops.
As for local politics, it's all the rage to change sides apparently so I take everything with a pinch of salt. Time will tell.
If the electorate vote for the party changers, they must approve of their work as Councillors, if not they're out on their a*#e. Sounds fair to me.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 02: PM
If the electorate vote for the party changers, they must approve of their work as Councillors, if not they're out on their a*#e. Sounds fair to me.
The Sparta 'If'.
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 01: PM
Let me put your mind at rest snowflake.
How rude.....
Kettle/Frying Pan?
Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person,
implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and
unable to deal with opposing opinions.Snowflake (slang).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)
Seems you have just described yourself....back o the net......
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 02: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 02: PM
Second point...where in my post have I said / hinted that you have reported a post, suggested / recommended that anyone should be banned or complained to the mods that a poster needs sanction? Please show me.
Its public board and not a one-to-one message service. All posts are are 'general' in nature and if I forget to put the commas around 'you' then its because I am lazy. As such it was more of a shotgun post to catch those here (aka 'you') who talk a lot about how they are censored but at the same time lobby to get others censored. My post is thus in the vein of Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius
There you go again! Please explain your first sentence. As for the bits that I've underlined, I have never lobbied to get anyone, including you, censored. As for a 'shotgun' post, it all depends on several things. 1) The gauge of the gun, ie, 12 bore. 2) The load, ie, how many grams the lead shot weighs in each cartridge, 3) The chokes, ie, 1/2 or 3/4 or even full, which determines the spread of the shot. But all of these things will not make a difference, if you can't shoot it correctly for any given quarry! See, I can be just as irritating...but I don't have the graphs!
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 03: PM
Please explain your first sentence.
I do not normally follow-up individual quibbles because I recognise the tactic. However I do not have you as down as a time-waster so will try and explain.
I am not talking to you personally but to everyone on the board. That means there will be some unavoidable collateral damage. Innocents always suffer in any conflict.
I never said you(as opposed to 'you') tried to get anyone banned. You may have thought that my firing in your direction means I was aiming at you when in fact I was aiming over your shoulder at the person trying to hide behind you.
I also know when
not to reply and thus leave the final words on all things 'shotgun' to you.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 03: PM
See, I can be just as irritating...but I don't have the graphs!
Never underestimate the power of an image. Some things are so clear that you don't even need to post any text with them as the meaning is obvious.
For example note the bandwidth wasted here trying to explain why what you see here (bus below) is not actually what you see. Convoluted excuses that depend on strict dictionary definitions of single words that are a complete waste of time because everyone knows it is a clear example of a blatant lie.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/XmiXjq.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnXmiXjqj)
When it suits you.
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 02: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 02: PM
If the electorate vote for the party changers, they must approve of their work as Councillors, if not they're out on their a*#e. Sounds fair to me.
The Sparta 'If'.
Er, yes 'if'. If they get the bullet, I'll lose no sleep over it, that's politics.
the Sparta 'if', what's all that about? Philip invading Lakonia has little relevance but smacks of 'hey look how smart I am'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 03: PM
When it suits you...................
.............sir!
https://youtu.be/sNl61p2L73o?t=29
Oh no no another unfunny clip from the Master of mirth.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 26, 2019, 04: PM
Oh no no another unfunny clip from the Master of mirth.
To which I would reply (in the manner of the clip) 'bollocks'!
I'd expect nothing less.
dog whistle politics this whole thread really, isn't it?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 04: PM
dog whistle politics this whole thread really, isn't it?
Certainly is Rover, no one's howling at the moon louder than you🐶.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2019, 04: PM
dog whistle politics this whole thread really, isn't it?
Well, I'm barking Whatever our differences, the recent threads and posters have certainly brightened up some otherwise gloomy, overcast days!
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 26, 2019, 03: PM
See, I can be just as irritating...but I don't have the graphs!
Never underestimate the power of an image. Some things are so clear that you don't even need to post any text with them as the meaning is obvious.
For example note the bandwidth wasted here trying to explain why what you see here (bus below) is not actually what you see. Convoluted excuses that depend on strict dictionary definitions of single words that are a complete waste of time because everyone knows it is a clear example of a blatant lie.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/XmiXjq.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnXmiXjqj)
The bus seemed pretty clear to most fair minded people. UK makes a gross contribution to the corrupt and badly run EU to the tune of over £18 billion a year. We then doff our caps and go begging for scraps and crumbs from their table and manage to claw some of it back. Thanks to the largesse of our superiors in Brussels, it still ends up on average at about £278 million a week of our money, so technically the bus message could be construed as exaggeration rather than your "blatant lie"
And anyway, lie or not, it worked. We're out very, very soon!
Hey akarjl2...trying to get this thread back on to your very valid point on squandered aid money....I reckon we could get hold of that bus and repaint it with a new slogan-
"£250 million a week sent to just about every s###thole country in the world! Why not spend it on the NHS?" (but then mikeyboy would get the vapors and denounce it as bongeyed loonies and their blatant far right lies)
Quote from: Hubris on November 27, 2019, 09: PM
The bus seemed pretty clear to most fair minded people...............
.............even to Nigel. He admitted it was a lie and tried the
'nothing to do with me mate' excuse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XTYfzd1I
Quote from: mk1 on November 27, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: Hubris on November 27, 2019, 09: PM
The bus seemed pretty clear to most fair minded people...............
.............even to Nigel. He admitted it was a lie and tried the 'nothing to do with me mate' excuse
I'd never accuse Nige of being fair minded, it's just that he was the piece of grit in the oyster that created the shiny pearl of getting us out of the EUSSR. Well done that man!
Quote from: Hubris on November 27, 2019, 09: PM
I'd never accuse Nige of being fair minded, it's just that he was the piece of grit in the oyster that created the shiny pearl of getting us out of the EUSSR. Well done that man!
Was he? Do you remember Sir Jammy Fishpaste?
Does anyone care?
Quote from: Hubris on November 27, 2019, 09: PM
Hey akarjl2...trying to get this thread back on to your very valid point on squandered aid money.
Well what would the Brexit Party do about it?
and how about answering my other question about your candidates function when we Brexit?
Quote...I reckon we could get hold of that bus and repaint it with a new slogan- "£250 million a week sent to just about every s###thole country in the world! Why not spend it on the NHS?"
Good idea
Quote(but then mikeyboy would get the vapors and denounce it as bongeyed loonies and their blatant far right lies)
Probably
But NONE of the parties other than Tories briefly have considered stopping the flow of money to countries who don't need it.....but obviously somewhere in the distant past we were directly responsible for their current situation so have to be held financially responsible for their current woes and pay them to try and stop people skipping across Europe and the channel to the land of milk and honey......and free housing, medical care and benefits.
Not one of the "party acolytes" will respond on here or elsewhere regarding this issue.
Says a a lot =
All a waste of space
.......BOOM watch this space for video/Quote/Comment re the shitty old British Empire/Farage the Spiv/American payments in 1945 etc ;) ;) ;)
Just watched Tice on question time= less than convincing.
He did however talk about funding for various issues.....oddly he like the others shys away from stopping overseas aid....there's a pot of money that could be put to better use!
Come on Hubris have word with your leader and get this stopped....
Maybe common sense is about to take over in the form of Boris removing the the grip of the Whitehall career mandarins? Looks like I am not the only one asking why we give aid to countries who can fund a space program...
(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7838545/Boris-Johnson-urged-overhaul-Britains-foreign-aid-system.html)
Oddly no mention of Brexit party.....
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 31, 2019, 07: AM
Maybe common sense is about to take over in the form of Boris removing the the grip of the Whitehall career mandarins? Looks like I am not the only one asking why we give aid to countries who can fund a space program...
(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7838545/Boris-Johnson-urged-overhaul-Britains-foreign-aid-system.html)
Oddly no mention of Brexit party.....
Or indeed countries that have nuclear weapons! I believe that (in certain circumstances) foreign aid is just a sweetener/ bribe in order that those countries buy UK armaments, which probably represent more money than what the UK pays out in aid. Basically, we sell them arms to kill each other with, then send them money to 'ease their suffering' and ease our conscience! Sick old world, isn't it!
QuoteBasically, we sell them arms to kill each other with, then send them money to 'ease their suffering' and ease our conscience! Sick old world, isn't it!
I have nothing on MY conscience - stop the aid - keep money at home.
Trying again
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7838545/Boris-Johnson-urged-overhaul-Britains-foreign-aid-system.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7838545/Boris-Johnson-urged-overhaul-Britains-foreign-aid-system.html)
Looks like the the cat is out of the bag......this is growing wings
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7843971/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Boris-Johnson-never-forgiven-doesnt-tackle-foreign-aid-farce.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7843971/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Boris-Johnson-never-forgiven-doesnt-tackle-foreign-aid-farce.html)
QuoteCrazy schemes paid for by YOU
China
£1.1million on programme to reduce salt intake through research and public health programmes (Department of Health and Social Care)
£984,000 on a study into air pollution in a Chinese mega-city. Researchers are looking into how pollutants affect people's health. (Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy)
£70,315 on project to encourage shoppers not to buy products made with pangolins. The scales of the endangered species are used in traditional medicines, while its meat is a high-end delicacy. (Department for Food and Rural Affairs)
£43,112 on improving training of early years teachers by drawing on techniques used in British classrooms. (Cross-Whitehall Prosperity Fund)
£55,392 on move to reform China's animal testing laws to bring them into line with international standards, including for cosmetics and medicines. (Cross-Whitehall Prosperity Fund)
India
£443,284 on improving weather forecasting in India so that it is better prepared for extreme events such as monsoons. (Department for Business)
£81,091 on scheme to use text messages to give people advice on problem drinking to overcome a shortage in health professionals (Department for Business)
£40,179 on study into whether yoga can be used to prevent type-2 diabetes among those at high risk of developing the disease. (Department for Business)
£20,062 on looking at how solar panels could power India's railways, as part of moves to increase the use of renewable energy sources. (Dfid)
£25,878 promoting employment of women in India's energy sector. (Dfid)
So we should stop this waste of money and spend at home- how about reopening A & E at Hartlepool?
Looks like the penny is about to drop
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8550287/UK-gives-71m-China-just-one-year.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8550287/UK-gives-71m-China-just-one-year.html)
Stop throwing money at overseas countries- charity begins at home.