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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: not4me on June 11, 2012, 03: PM

Title: Police and Offenders
Post by: not4me on June 11, 2012, 03: PM
Spot the incompatability between the payout of a five-figure sum and the fact that none of the 19 Officers faced any disciplinary action.
A MAN left bruised and bloodied after being arrested while naked in the shower has been awarded a five-figure pay out.
Stephen Whenary has revealed how he has struggled to keep his life on track during a six-year campaign for justice.
The 42-year-old was left with extensive injuries when 19 Cleveland Police officers stormed his home and sprayed him with CS gas before he was pulled from the shower and beaten around the head with a baton.
Mr Whenary – who at the time was living with an officer's former wife – was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. However, the case was thrown out by a judge after ruling that police evidence presented during the four-day trial was riddled with discrepancies.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/2012-03-24-09-23-10/the-northern-echo
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on June 11, 2012, 03: PM
Too right, isn't the payout an admission of guilt ?
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: rabbit on June 11, 2012, 04: PM
How many police officers can you get in a shower?
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: steveL on June 11, 2012, 05: PM
 ;D ;D
Seriously, something is endemically wrong at Cleveland Police. We must be close to the point when the phrase 'not fit for purpose' starts to appear - oh, it just did.  ;)
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: Julie noted on June 11, 2012, 07: PM
Some aspects of police work can be hard work and, at times, gruesome.   :o
Not everyone could do it.

That said, bearing in mind the assault on Mr Whenary,
the saga of lookslikeToryagain,
the 'fitting up' of the Asian police sergeant, resulting in a jail sentence for him,
the £1000 boiler stolen from the M/Boro police station by an officer,
drugs in exchange for information,
the suspension of top cops and solicitor etc. etc.

Cleveland police got an award for 'best performing' in 2011.  ???
If that is a 'best performing' police force...what on earth goes on at other police forces?!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: steveL on June 11, 2012, 07: PM
Are you sure it wasn't the BAFTA award for 'Best Soap Opera'?
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: notenoughsaid on June 11, 2012, 08: PM
The title of this thread appears to me to be quite apt.  Whilst not trying to defend the impossible,I would like to suggest that readers look at the Northern Echo report (through the link)  regarding  the result of the enquiry conducted by the police and the Independent Police Complaints Commission both of which are stated to have found no case to answer. In reality the IPCC are in the driving seat in matters of this nature. The link clearly states (quite wrongly that the police alone investigated this matter), and then referred the matter to the IPCC.   For general information,the IPCC is made up of former Liberty and Amnesty Int.members alongside a handful of defence solicitors and one or to lay persons who generally like to condem the police at every opportunity to justify their existence.   I have no knowledge of this incident or involvement nor axe to grind except to repeat "something doesn't add up."
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: dangerman on June 12, 2012, 08: AM
Visiting Thirsk there were posters showing clear photographs and name of a persistant offender excluded from the Market Place area.

I remember some time past that here in hartlepool we did the same, the Mail have repeat offenders we recognise the name and unless you know them not the person.

The Mayor is chair of the Safer Hartlepool Partnership & Chair of Cleveland Police Authority so if North Yorkshire Police can do this, why not here 'again' in Hartlepool?

Incidently the person on the photograph was nowhere to be seen that day, so it must work.

A picture is worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: Julie noted on June 12, 2012, 09: AM
'I submit that would transgress the Human Rights Act of the individual.
It places him/her in an invidious situation and open to attacks from vigilantees.
It also precludes the person's right to a family life, due to the fear of attack whilst in the public domain'.

That is the sort of guff that would come out if it was tried in Hartlepool.
OUR rights to live, shop, work and breathe in a safe and secure environment comes a lowly second.  ???
You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: testing times on June 12, 2012, 10: AM
The Police publish ASBOs on their website though it could be argued that will have minimum impact. Perhaps HTH should publish details?
http://www.cleveland.police.uk/advice-information/Anti-Social-Behaviour-Orders.aspx?r=0 (http://www.cleveland.police.uk/advice-information/Anti-Social-Behaviour-Orders.aspx?r=0)
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: The Great Dictator on June 12, 2012, 02: PM
The cops investigate their own complaints first and if you're not happy with the outcome it will be passed to the IPCC for scrutiny.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: popgoestheweasal. on June 12, 2012, 02: PM
The lack of reaction to there actions is the problem young tearaways fear no one now.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: for fawkes sake on June 12, 2012, 04: PM
In that case, the IPCC is merely scrutinising the investigation carried out by the Police i.e. there is no independent investigation. Ssounds a bit like the Press Complaints Commission - there only to create the illusion of independent scrutiny.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: for fawkes sake on June 12, 2012, 04: PM
I notice one of these offenders ASBO amounts to not visiting Baden Street - wow - that'll teach him.  ;D ;D
Wouldn't it be a good idea to stick his pick on lamposts at either end of the street? I bet he takes no notice of the ASBO whatsoever.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: The Great Dictator on June 13, 2012, 12: AM
Correct, its a bit like this Leveson inquiry.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: notenoughsaid on June 13, 2012, 11: AM
   Testicles is correct to a certain degree.  Initially complaints  of a lesser nature are dealt with locally, however more serious matters are certainly passed to the IPCC who can appoint an independent member of their staff  to oversee any enquiries and actually advise/demand certain lines of enquiries are made or even do them themselves.   Matters involving the possible commission of a criminal offence are looked at in conjunction with the Crown Prosecution Service who will decide the outcome on a "public interest" or "reasonable chance of gaining a conviction  against the individual(s) concerned" basis.    Some matters have to be reported as a matter of course at source.EG Deaths in custody or  deaths after police contact   I am sure  you will have read   reports in the press following a car chase and crash the footnote explaining the involvement of the IPCC.   

   In the past I have had personal involvement with the old Police Complaints Authority, the forerunner of the IPCC and found them very independent. So much infact that cases can be looked at by one member of staff who gives a judgement and then moves on, followed by another member giving an opposite opinion based on the same facts .?????   showing they are not infallible.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: popgoestheweasal. on June 13, 2012, 02: PM
When i was a lad a good old clip around the ear was enough.  :)
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: steveL on June 13, 2012, 03: PM
Yes but it's 2012 and Policemen don't appreciate being continuously 'clipped around the ear' by any passing yobbo.  ;)
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: Julie noted on June 13, 2012, 06: PM
See in the Mail the very sad news regarding the elderly lady outside Aldi?

It appears someone fired a pellet gun at her, hitting her just below her eye.  :o
Criminal...absolutely bloody criminal.  >:(

However, what did the acting police sergeant call it?

"Unacceptable behaviour".

WHAT?  :o
Unacceptable behaviour is yobs throwing eggs at your windows,
or dropping the polystyrene carton from their Parmo.

Shooting someone with an airgun is a criminal act and by talking it down like that, the 'acting sergeant' is encouraging the yobs to view it the same way.  :(
Methinks back to police training school for you my son.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: notenoughsaid on June 14, 2012, 12: AM
To Julie Noted.....I could not agree more. Perhaps that is why he is  only"Acting Sgt" and not the real McCoy .However I fell the real blame for ill advised comments may lay with the Mail. They no longer seem to send reporters out into the community and do their job properly and associate with the public( perhaps over a pint in the local or whatever ) .The mobile phone seems to dominate their career...How I wish we could bring back the likes of Maggie O'Rourke a well respected reporter who was always willing to speak to people face to face.    RIP.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: The Great Dictator on June 14, 2012, 02: AM
Lots of reporters would do that but they'll never get the chance because people no longer buy newspapers.

If he had took her eye out the police would be swarming the area but as it was only a scratch it don't matter.

Maybe when he does blind someone they'll take it seriously, it's what's known as closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: brassed off monkey on June 14, 2012, 08: AM
The indiference shown by this particular police officer is yet another example of the decline in the standards in all walks of life in modern Britain & it filters down from very the top of society, to the very bottom.

I would suggest that if this particular "No Good" toe rag was caught a single stroke of the Birch would ensure he didn`t transgress in the future.

Before i get reported to the thought police, think about this...... we have tried everything else in this Nanny State of ours, & it`s patently obvious it isn`t working.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: not4me on June 14, 2012, 08: AM
It's being reported today that a report by the Probation Inspector has found that over 50% of criminals fitted with electronic tags break their curfews and are not pulled up about it. In fact, the whole system seems to be a joke with one case highlighted of a tag being fitted to an artificial leg. !!***!
If you turn the law into a joke then it's hardly surprising the criminals laugh at it.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: steveL on June 14, 2012, 02: PM
At a guess, I would say nobody KD.
There are particular problems at Cleveland Police which are peculiar to Cleveland Police and personally, I would like to see it wound up and merged with Durham Constabulary.
After Lancet, the £7 million black hole and now the £1.6m (so far) cost of Sacriston, how much more is the the public supposed to take with all the ongoing investigations into top figures at the Police and Police authority.
It's already spent £1.4m on 'preparation work' to build a new HQ and is now asking for more because of 'unexpected delays'.
The organisation is rotten at the top and far too political and too close to local politicians.
The way that the wagon train of the Police Authority circled when McLuckie was first put under investigation says it all. The Authority unanimously voted to support a motion of full confidence in McLuckie within hours of the story going public when they couldn't possibly have any idea what he was being accused of - in other words, support was automatic by default.
The organisation is a throw back to the rise of Cleveland County and should now go the same way.

Not fit for purpose - and then some.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2012/06/13/1-3m-warning-over-new-cleveland-police-base-84229-31173466/
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: mk1 on June 14, 2012, 02: PM
If it was in a bad way earlier think how much worse it has got since the monkey took over.
A politician elected for a 'joke' in Harlepool is an even bigger joke in his present position. The man can barely walk and speak at the same time..............
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: Julie noted on June 14, 2012, 02: PM
Spot on, steveL.
You know what I think? NONE of the people on these 'quango committees' should be in the political sphere.  ???

The police authority committee should consist purely of people from across Cleveland and NONE from ANY political party.
That goes for the Fire authority and NHS Trust too.  8)

Putting these people in bed together is asking for nefarious dealings...and, it is alleged, we have them!

We need a complete clear out of all 'politicians'.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: Julie noted on June 14, 2012, 03: PM
I'm just sat here, thinking about my last statement;
'We need a complete clear out of all 'politicians'.

When you think about it, we used to have (still have?) a very low opinion of solicitors, white van man, used car salesmen etc.  :(

Without a doubt, 'local politicians' have joined that list of dubious characters.  :-X

Yeah, I know there are a FEW decent ones but I find those pushing to obtain seats on this committee, that board, the other authority are the ones we need to keep a close eye on.
As I said last post, keep politicians out of the 'authorities', they simply can't be trusted any longer.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: marky on June 14, 2012, 10: PM
I would have thought that being associated in any way with the present Police Authority would be sufficient to deter anyone from voting for such a person. Even so, the labour lot have thrown their towel in with a Boro Councillor who sits on the Authority.
It's amazing what pure spite can do - even when it's against one of your own.
Title: Re: Police and Offenders
Post by: steveL on June 15, 2012, 11: AM
I would certainly agree with that. I doubt if anyone would be prepared to buy a second hand car off any of them. That ridiculous confidence vote said a lot about how the back-scratching system works.