Watching the news tonight, they are saying up to a million people will be attending the Queens Jubilee pageant at the Thames.
People from around the UK and the world have arrived in London to witness the fantastic, once in a lifetime event. :)
History in the making.
Well London, let me tell you this;
WE had 1 million people at our Tall Ships event.
Yes we did, the mayor said so.
You don't believe him? :-\
Well, the company we paid to audit the event said so as well.
So it must be right. ::)
Hartlepool was more popular than the Queens bash.
No, really...they have all the figures to prove it. :-X
AND, all of the labour Cllrs confirm the stats. :P
So there:
if YOU want a super, no expenses spared (for the organisers) event, come to Hartlepool; where the Parmo's are bigger, the pasties are tastier and the town's uber leaders will get right on down with you.
Far out.
A very interesting comparison!
how is it a comparison, the queens pageant is a 1 day trip down the thames, the tall ships event was a full weekend, the straws some will clutch at to downplay the whole tall ships event is cringingly embarassing at times.
it was 2 years ago dont you think its time to move on
I look forward to moving on once accountability has been carried out
Quote from: no6bus on June 02, 2012, 11: PM
how is it a comparison, the queens pageant is a 1 day trip down the thames, the tall ships event was a full weekend, the straws some will clutch at to downplay the whole tall ships event is cringingly embarassing at times.
it was 2 years ago dont you think its time to move on
The mind boggles!
London has a population of some 8-13 million (depends on how you define 'London') and thus it is
at least 80 times the size of Hartlepool.
It is claimed that the entire population of Hartlepool visited The Tall Stories twice over so London has a potential of 16 million for the pageant and yet they only expect the same number of 'vistors' as The Tall Stories.
The fact is the idiotic tourist claims made by the Monkey
exactly matched the claims he made before the event (I have it on film in the TV interview he gave on day1) and they are total fiction.
The Hartlepool totals were pure invention and anyone trying to claim otherwise is pis*sing in the wind.
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Quote from: Julie noted on June 02, 2012, 10: PM
Watching the news tonight, they are saying up to a million people will be attending the Queens Jubilee pageant at the Thames.
People from around the UK and the world have arrived in London to witness the fantastic, once in a lifetime event. :)
History in the making.
Well London, let me tell you this;
WE had 1 million people at our Tall Ships event.
Yes we did, the mayor said so.
You don't believe him? :-\
Well, the company we paid to audit the event said so as well.
So it must be right. ::)
Hartlepool was more popular than the Queens bash.
No, really...they have all the figures to prove it. :-X
AND, all of the labour Cllrs confirm the stats. :P
So there:
if YOU want a super, no expenses spared (for the organisers) event, come to Hartlepool; where the Parmo's are bigger, the pasties are tastier and the town's uber leaders will get right on down with you.
Far out.
I think you might find that most of the Labour Councillors, did not infact accept the statistics presented by the Mayor.
Quote from: christine blakey on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
I look forward to moving on once accountability has been carried out
What's the matter Christine, they paid your invoices, didn't they?
Quote from: Straight Talking on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
I think you might find that most of the Labour Councillors, did not infact accept the statistics presented by the Mayor.
How about a straight answer from you?
What numbers do you think best match reality?
Hard to say really - I visited the event twice. Both times the place seemed packed, but I didn't go round counting people.
Quote from: Straight Talking on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
Hard to say really - I visited the event twice. Both times the place seemed packed, but I didn't go round counting people.
But I never asked if you counted did I?
I will try again.
How many people do you believe it was reasonably expected would visit.
Hint:
Look at the car parking numbers and the train/bus carrying capacity.
No 6 gave us the bus passenger numbers back then but I doubt if he will repeat them now and I believe the train numbers giving by Molly Doughnut (?)was 10,000 a day max.
MK1 - I think you are becoming fixated.
I have no interest in finding out, guessing or making up numbers to please you.
Quote from: Straight Talking on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
MK1 - I think you are becoming fixated.
I have no interest in finding out, guessing or making up numbers to please you.
Typical politicians answer. Nothing of substance and capable of later interpretation to suit whichever way you are facing that day.
Dodge, dodge dodge. In fact with you the only way to get a straight answer is to preface it with
"would you like a donation for your favourite charidee?" or
"is this enough for you to look the other way"Perhaps you should ask your friends to help you out?
They seem to have no qualms about
guessing or making up numbers when fabricating their 'accounts'.
What invoices.
Quote from: mk1 on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
Quote from: Straight Talking on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
Hard to say really - I visited the event twice. Both times the place seemed packed, but I didn't go round counting people.
But I never asked if you counted did I?
I will try again.
How many people do you believe it was reasonably expected would visit.
Hint:
Look at the car parking numbers and the train/bus carrying capacity.
No 6 gave us the bus passenger numbers back then but I doubt if he will repeat them now and I believe the train numbers giving by Molly Doughnut (?)was 10,000 a day max.
i would repeat them if i could remember them, unfortunately that was on the previous incarnation of the forum and as my life is not about trying to run the town down i dont have them ready to use as soon as someone makes a point i dont agree with.
and could it be that they are only expecting 1 million to watch from the few vantage points as the costs associated with london and the traffic congestion will be horrendous, most people will prefer to stay at home and watch on tv ensuring they see all they want to see and not get ripped off in the process.
the mind does indeed boggle
Everyone in Hartlepool visited the Tall Ships? Complete nonsense none of my family or my neighbours visited, although right here on the doorstep so to speak.
Car parking wasn't a problem streets all around Dyke House area devoid of cars much of a suprise to all who live here, we expected bumper to bumper it didn't happen.
The figures where manipulated to show it was successful 'it was' but not to the extent they claim buses near empty to and from the Marina.
Stuart Drummond said it would put the town on the map and bring in tourists long after the event, then why do I see vacancies on all the guest houses both here and Seaton Carew?
One big 'expensive' Con.
Quote from: mk1 on June 03, 2012, 01: AM
Quote from: Straight Talking on June 03, 2012, 12: AM
MK1 - I think you are becoming fixated.
I have no interest in finding out, guessing or making up numbers to please you.
Typical politicians answer. Nothing of substance and capable of later interpretation to suit whichever way you are facing that day.
Dodge, dodge dodge. In fact with you the only way to get a straight answer is to preface it with "would you like a donation for your favourite charidee?" or "is this enough for you to look the other way"
Perhaps you should ask your friends to help you out?
They seem to have no qualms about guessing or making up numbers when fabricating their 'accounts'.
For the very last time, I am not CAB/SAB so most of your barbed comments are way off the mark. As for charitable donations, nothing to do with me, so again wide of the mark.
Quote from: christine blakey on June 03, 2012, 01: AM
What invoices.
Come on Christine, you talk about accountability, when what you mean is that everyone has to be accountable to you!!
The world just doesn't work that way.
You did work for the tall ships, your name appears on the invoice list. Come clean and stop sniping
ST states;
'I think you might find that most of the Labour Councillors, did not infact accept the statistics presented by the Mayor'.
Of course you accepted them, because not one of you took him (and the paid for audit company) to task over the misleading figures.
This wasn't some airy-fairy, pie in the sky amount of tax payers money that was lost.
The missing 100s of thousands of people correlate to the financial miscalculation.
If 'most of the labour councillors did not in fact accept the statistics' presented to them by the mayor, why wasn't an enquiry initiated, to find the real figure?
Was it a compilation of accounting errors, or malfeasance?
Your duty to the taxpayers of this town was to ask the appropriate questions, at the time. You all failed to do so.
No6 bus;
People are still raising this subject because of the vast sums of our money wasted on an event that was popular but cost much, much more than similar events in Newcastle and elsewhere. Why was that?
If you think it OK to squander so much money in a 4 day period and thereafter produce statistics that most of the labour councillors didn't believe, thank goodness you don't work for the council!
The telling comment from ST proves we ought to still be demanding answers.
i too am glad i dont work for the council, as for the labour party not believing the figures well no surprise there as it wasnt in line with their creative accounting department, given the amount of money this council squanders on a yearly basis at least with the tall ships the council tax payer got to see something for their money, most years all i see is council workers (and i use the term loosely) sitting in vans at various parts of the town rather than working, if the number of council vans that need to visit the bus station toilets at seaton is anything to go by there arent any other facilities in the town,
i see on a regular basis council vans parked up around the town centre from 11.30 onwards reading the paper as it is too early to get back for lunch, take a trip along york road about 8am on a saturday morning and marvel at the amount of workers on enhanced rates of pay having a well deserved cuppa and morrells pie/sandwich. same along raby road at the sandwich shops near brougham terrace, this is an ongoing waste of money buts lets concentrate on something from 2 years ago. ::)
also the other thing thats annoying about the money the town wastes, why did councillors stand at the recent elections knowing the number of seats was to be reduced then decide" oh theres less of us now so we have to do more work we deserve a rise in allowances",
they knew the plans before standing it wasnt sneaked up on them the day after the election.
if they are so concerned about the towns finances vote against a rise its quite simple really.
Can you tell where this list can be found as I did not work for the Tall Ships.
i see on a regular basis council vans parked up around the town centre from 11.30 onwards reading
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/fleet_list_40#incoming-282749
well they can read a few papers in this lot ::)
click on download at the top.
I saw 4 of them with a jet wash ...one working ...one watching and 2 nodding off in the van.
With regards to alleged invoices that I am supposedly have had for Tall Ships, can someone enlighten me as to when, where, what, with, and the likes?
Quote from: christine blakey on June 03, 2012, 06: PM
With regards to alleged invoices that I am supposedly have had for Tall Ships, can someone enlighten me as to when, where, what, with, and the likes?
Christine I will remind you that the person who said this has no other interest than to cause discord and in-fighting. He delights in making bogus claims and then watching as his victim reacts to his provocation.
I urge you to just let it go and stop playing his game.
No one (other than him) gives a toss about it.
Please do not give him succour.
Thank you very much mk1.
I appreciate the warning as I do not know who this person is, and the posting simply shows that we are in fact right, the Tall Ships was an area of gross overspend for the town.
Did anyone go to the Jubilee Celebration over the past two days. I think we had better weather than London, I only recall a little bit of drizzle?
With regard to Council Workmen at the former North Shelter site three of hartlepool finest sat in the pickup truck having tea/coffee at 10.30am reading the morning papers 40 minutes later still there, what made me laugh was what was on the vehicle doors.
Hartlepool Borough Council RAPID RESPONSE VEHICLE..I think not
No wonder it took so long and by the way the grassed area is dead around the palm tree's, can they do anything right?
I went to the jubilee celebration today, it was cold and the kids rides were very expensive, spoke to one of the many security gaurds in a hi viz coat he said it wasnt as busy as expected but according to his boss official attendance is in the millions.
Was there many at the late show ?
Said on news that 2000 visited over this past two days
Would be good to get other feedback on the event.
Thats 1000 a day, thats not many. Do you think the tickets were too expensive ?
How much were the tickets, I forgot?
Did people bring a picnic?
"One big 'expensive' Con."
My family or various parts thereof, plus visiting relatives attended every day of Tall Ships at some time. I imagine many families were the same - more than making up for those who did not go.
By far the best event I have ever seen - or likely to see - in Hartlepool. Superb.
Quote from: Greg X on June 05, 2012, 08: PM
"One big 'expensive' Con."
My family or various parts thereof, plus visiting relatives attended every day of Tall Ships at some time. I imagine many families were the same - more than making up for those who did not go.
By far the best event I have ever seen - or likely to see - in Hartlepool. Superb.
If you had a family group of (say) 6 then you were counted as 24 tourists!
Can you confirm you all spent the claimed 30 odd quid spend for
each person each day?
6 people x 30 quid x 4 days = 720