The political tribute to the embalmers art survived thanks to the vote being split, but more than compensated for. ;D
Yep basically 5 years of being told to shut up and ignored for Hill.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
The political tribute to the embalmers art survived thanks to the vote being split.
Not quite 5000 votes ahead of the boy-wonder Tice. Proves two things:
A) Farage is not as stupid as he looks. He decided not to stand.
B) Tice is because he believed he could win.
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Get over it.
You detest Labour clowncillers ......independents........Brexit Party.....
So your party won nationally! Brexit now back on track.
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
Yep basically 5 years of being told to shut up and ignored for Hill.
It was a peoples vote....................
what part of democracy do you not understand....................
He is carrying out the will of the people................
You lost get over it..................
Cranney lost his deposit but if he'd have gained 6 more votes he'd have got it back.
Which is a shame . . . ;)
This was basically the second referendum, a recurring theme from the 'experts' throughout the night.
Quote from: DRiddle on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
Cranney lost his deposit but if he'd have gained 6 more votes he'd have got it back.
Which is a shame . . . ;)
Have they lowered it to seven votes just for him?
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
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So your party won nationally! Brexit now back on track.
I admire your ability to ignore reality.
Boris is and always was, a remainer. He became a Leaver for pure political advantage.
He is now free from the deadweight of the bas**ar*s in that he can ignore JRM and Co and pursue his version of Brexit. He knows he can ignore his critics for 5 years and anyone who puts any store in a Johnson promise is as stupid as the Ulster Unionist.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
This was basically the second referendum, a recurring theme from the 'experts' throughout the night.
And given The SNP made staying in the EU its central policy statement it means the eventual break-up of the UK.
I really don't care. I'm happy.
You'll never be happy, you feed on negativity celebrating others misery.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
I really don't care. I'm happy.
You'll never be happy, you feed on negativity celebrating others misery.
Err the
first half of your comeback is negated by the
back endI am not one of those who spent weeks 'bigging up' candidates. I kept my counsel and smiled as others stretched their necks out over the block. It is always risky to let your heart overrule your head and if goes wrong then you reap what you have sown.
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
I really don't care. I'm happy.
You'll never be happy, you feed on negativity celebrating others misery.
Err the first half of your comeback is negated by the back end
Whenever you're stumped you try the old defection tactic of picking up some minor point of grammar. I actually believe YOU are uniquely capable of celebrating misery
I am not one of those who spent weeks 'bigging up' candidates.
Neither did I. But you don't have any candidates, no mere mortal could measure up to your standards. You only sneer, you don't have the conviction to back anyone.
I kept my counsel and smiled as others stretched their necks out over the block.
You do talk some self satisfying tosh.
It is always risky to let your heart overrule your head and if goes wrong then you reap what you have sown.
You'd need to have a heart to know that. It would not compute in your world.
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
This was basically the second referendum, a recurring theme from the 'experts' throughout the night.
And given The SNP made staying in the EU its central policy statement it means the eventual break-up of the UK.
The SNP are typical NATIONALISTS. They are never going to be happy till they have separation from the UK and can live out their Braveheart fantasy. Why should the rest of the country be held to ransom by a party that will never be happy till it gets what it wants. Dealing with the SNP is pointless. It's sad, but the nationalist seed is a destructive seed and if they want to leave, let them.
But it all turned out nice in the end.
Mike Hill saved, Party torpedoed, classic. I bet someone little grumpy sucker was secretly hoping for anyone but Labour to be elected so they could whine like a taxiing F35 waiting to take off, but just for the next five years.
Disappointment takes many forms.🤪😂😂😂
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 06: AM
I really don't care. I'm happy.
You'll never be happy, you feed on negativity celebrating others misery.
Err the first half of your comeback is negated by the back end
I kept my counsel and smiled as others stretched their necks out over the block. It is always risky to let your heart overrule your head and if goes wrong then you reap what you have sown.
So you 'kept your counsel and smiled' mikeyboy? More like 'kept plucking the splinters out of my fence-sitting a**e'
Anyway, all done and dusted now. Looks like the bong-eyed loony fruitcakes who squint to the right dealt a solid thrashing to the bong-eyed loony fruitcakes who squint to the left. But here, we'll be stuck with Captain Dynamic (unless the still open investigation case goes against him)
Quote from: Hubris on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
But here, we'll be stuck with Captain Dynamic
Because Rich ex-Tory Boy brought in to topple him was not up to the job. The public (nationwide) rejected him the latest incarnation of the Farage personality cult.
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Doesn't really matter what happened in Hartlepool in the outer reaches of the galaxy politically speaking. We are used to a complete lack of action form our appropriately named "member".
Much to your disgust MK1 we will leave the EU.
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
While we are on a roll get rid of Northern Ireland too.....
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7784515/amp/Woman-slams-Jeremy-Corbyn-supporting-Labour-Hartlepool-Mike-Hill-claims-sex-harassed-her.html
There's still hope...
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
While we are on a roll get rid of Northern Ireland too.....
Nothing new here. The polls showed the Little Englanders thought this a price worth paying.
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Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
While we are on a roll get rid of Northern Ireland too.....
Nothing new here. The polls showed the Little Englanders thought this a price worth paying.
.
It is ;)
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: Hubris on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
But here, we'll be stuck with Captain Dynamic
Because Rich ex-Tory Boy brought in to topple him was not up to the job.
Hickory Hill hung on because of a split vote. I can't imagine any job Hickory is up to.
The public (nationwide) rejected him the latest incarnation of the Farage personality cult.
The only person in the Farage personality cult on here is YOU!
You are the one promoting his image continually, no one else.
If you have a mirror look in it, have a word with the reflection and you can stop the Farage cult in an instant.
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Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
While we are on a roll get rid of Northern Ireland too.....
Nothing new here. The polls showed the Little Englanders thought this a price worth paying.
.
jawohl ::)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Hickory Hill hung on because of a split vote.
Dice it anyway you like. Tax-avoiding chancer Tice had his ar** handed to him by a bloke who appears frightened of his own shadow.
All the Farage fart-catchers are now busy pretending they don't care but they do, they really do.
Hill has managed to get elected to Westminster twice now whilst Farage has failed the same test 7 times!
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Hickory Hill hung on because of a split vote.
Dice it anyway you like. Tax-avoiding chancer Tice had his ar** handed to him by a bloke who appears frightened of his own shadow.
All the Farage fart-catchers are now busy pretending they don't care but they do, they really do.
Hill has managed to get elected to Westminster twice now whilst Farage has failed the same test 7 times!
The only person who seems to care is you.....now why is that?
The MAJORITY of the country are relieved we can now get out of the Republic of Europe.
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Hickory Hill hung on because of a split vote.
Dice it anyway you like. Tax-avoiding chancer Tice had his ar** handed to him by a bloke who appears frightened of his own shadow.
All the Farage fart-catchers are now busy pretending they don't care but they do, they really do.
Hill has managed to get elected to Westminster twice now whilst Farage has failed the same test 7 times!
If you aren't careful you'll start making acid soon.
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
Nicola is rubbing her hands thinking of the money she will charge (current estimate is £1 billion+ a year)for allowing The RN to keep the Clyde Bases. Its common knowledge this is the SNP Trump Card which they will play if any attempt is made to punish them for leaving the UK. It is either pay off the Scots or upset the millions little englanders who will end up living close beside the stored nuclear warheads.
Are 'Little Englanders' your new despicables now the Brexit Party has chugged into the sunset ....?
Look on the bright side mk1.
Your spending power has increased for your next visit to the E.U.
Why little Englanders?
Why should England not have its own Parliament? The other three countries in the UK have their own NATIONAL representation. The largest country by far has not.
You are wrong about the Clyde bases. SNP Policy is to close down Faslane aka HMNB Clyde and associated establishments.
If Scotland gains independence the benefits to the UK would include:
The abolition of the Barnett Formula
The transfer of the Clyde and Forth naval bases to the new UK, England, Wales and NI.
The building of ships for the RN would return warship ship building to the new UK.
Charge them for their defence.
We would get rid of the whinging Scots.
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
Nicola is rubbing her hands thinking of the money she will charge (current estimate is £1 billion+ a year)for allowing The RN to keep the Clyde Bases. Its common knowledge this is the SNP Trump Card which they will play if any attempt is made to punish them for leaving the UK. It is either pay off the Scots or upset the millions little englanders who will end up living close beside the stored nuclear warheads.
Maybe she needs to re think that one......https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scottish-income-tax-shortfall-offset-by-uk-funding (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scottish-income-tax-shortfall-offset-by-uk-funding)
Base them at seal sands what's the difference he have a bloody nuclear power station ;)
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on December 13, 2019, 11: AM
Why little Englanders?
Why should England not have its own Parliament? The other three countries in the UK have their own NATIONAL representation. The largest country by far has not.
You are wrong about the Clyde bases. SNP Policy is to close down Faslane aka HMNB Clyde and associated establishments.
If Scotland gains independence the benefits to the UK would include:
The abolition of the Barnett Formula
The transfer of the Clyde and Forth naval bases to the new UK, England, Wales and NI.
The building of ships for the RN would return warship ship building to the new UK.
Charge them for their defence.
We would get rid of the whinging Scots.
Post of the day........Post of the day........Post of the day........Post of the day........Post of the day........
Having single handedly seen off Nigel / Brexit Party
....and had a few digs at The Trumpinator
Mk 00000.1 has now turned his attention to .......his pet hate.....
England
Easy fix
Brexit......drag Scotland screaming and kicking out of EU.....Get rid of Scotland......Mk 00000.1 move to Europe/Scotland/N Ireland......win /win for the town ;)
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
Nicola is rubbing her hands thinking of the money she will charge (current estimate is £1 billion+ a year)for allowing The RN to keep the Clyde Bases. Its common knowledge this is the SNP Trump Card
Some trump card! Given that ENGLISH taxpayers subsidise the Jocks to approx £9 billion a year (and rising) I reckon the £8b positive just might warrant being a fairly strong hand in any face to face game of bluff. Don't you think Wee Bernie just might blink first? Or hasn't your naive grasp of basic economic reality let you smell the coffee yet?
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 13, 2019, 09: AM
Hopefully ditch the minority group fantasising north of the border in Braveheart Land....
While we are on a roll get rid of Northern Ireland too.....
Nothing new here. The polls showed the Little Englanders thought this a price worth paying.
.
Greetings from a little englander stuck over here today in Switzerland (you know, our loyal sister country that we are very soon to join in the healthy "Staying out of the EUSSR and proud of it" club)
Been talking to many people today and they are all pretty much positive about the UK at last having a strong majority government. One that will be able to function and not be dragged down in a race to the bottom by a spineless gaggle of remoaners, jealous snipers and pound shop Marxists.
But the most shocking thing I learned today is......now brace yourselves for this one......NO ONE had ever heard of mki!!
I know it's quite hard to believe but it's true. (AND....one or two of them had never heard of Greatham either)
Quote from: Hubris on December 13, 2019, 02: PM
Greetings from a little englander stuck over here today in Switzerland (you know, our loyal sister country that we are very soon to join in the healthy "Staying out of the EUSSR and proud of it" club)
Switzerland is a EU Member in all but name. The Wiki page shows how they are bound to the EU but have little if say at all in the making of the rules they must obey. The EU Deal has a clause that means the Swiss take all the conditions or none. It is take it or leave it'
From the perspective of the EU, the treaties contain largely the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to the member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget. Switzerland has extended the bilateral treaties to new EU member states; each extension required the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.
In a referendum on 5 June 2005, Swiss voters agreed, by a 55% majority, to join the Schengen Area. This came into effect on 12 December 2008.
In 2009, the Swiss voted to extend the free movement of people to Bulgaria and Romania by 59.6% in favour to 40.4% against. While the EU Directive 2004/38/EC on the right to move and reside freely does not directly apply to Switzerland, the Swiss-EU bilateral agreement on the free movement of people contains the same rights both for Swiss and EEA nationals, and their family members.
By 2010, Switzerland had amassed around 210 trade treaties with the EU. Following the institutional changes in the EU–particularly regarding foreign policy and the increased role of the European Parliament–European Council President Herman Van Rompuy and Swiss President Doris Leuthard expressed a desire to "reset" EU-Swiss relations with an easier and cleaner way of applying EU law in Switzerland. In December 2012, the Council of the European Union declared that there will be no further treaties on single market issues unless Switzerland and EU agree on a new legal framework similar to the EEA that, among others, would bind Switzerland more closely to the evolving EU legislation. José Manuel Barroso, the President of the European Commission, later affirmed this position. However, a second referendum on Swiss EEA membership isn't expected,[3] and the Swiss public remains opposed to joining.
Schengen Agreement
Main article: Schengen Agreement
In 2009, Switzerland became a participant in the Schengen Area with the acceptance of an association agreement by popular referendum in 2005. This means that there are no passport controls on Switzerland's borders with its neighbours though customs controls continue to apply.
2014 referendum
Main article: Swiss immigration referendum, February 2014
In a referendum in February 2014, the Swiss voters narrowly approved a proposal to limit the freedom of movement of foreign citizens to Switzerland. The European Commission said it would have to examine the implications of the result on EU–Swiss relations since literal implementation would invoke the guillotine clause.
On 22 December 2016, Switzerland and the EU concluded an agreement whereby a new Swiss law (in response to the referendum) would require Swiss employers to take on any job seekers (whether Swiss nationals or non-Swiss citizens registered in Swiss job agencies) whilst continuing to observe the free movement of EU citizens into Switzerland thus allowing them to work there.
The Swiss can
in theory reject any new laws but they tried that in 2012 for 'Foreigners' and thus had to scrabble about making new Swiss Laws that allowed them to say they were restricting access to EU nationals whilst at the same time not restricting access to EU Nationals.
I think you picked a bad example.
You're like one of those Japanese soldiers forgotten about on a desert island at the end of the war, who's still fanatically fighting on, but there's no one there to fight, just coconuts. You lost, the wars over.
Quote from: Hubris on December 13, 2019, 01: PM
Some trump card!
It is indeed. Given the little englanders see themselves as a world super-power the ability to trattle the nuclear sabre is an important crutch for them. Take away their Security Council seat and they would have to face reality They will pay any price to keep up the illusion they are important. The US already has a veto on the UK use of its missiles anyway so the UK never had any real freedom of choice as to when they are used. Unlike the French (read The EU)who really are an Independent Nuclear Power.
1. little englanders = click bait. = ignore.
2. Standby for "bong eyed loony" = click bait. = ignore.
3. Anything by MK .0000001 = click bait. = ignore.
4. Don't feed the troll.
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on December 13, 2019, 11: AM
If Scotland gains independence the benefits to the UK would include............
The instant promotion of the rump UK to the top of the list of the most densely populated countries in the world?
A spur to the ar*se of the racist pig-wielding thugs to start them selecting those who will have to leave to make more room for decent white folks?
Pssst ...is he still going on?.........
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
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All the Farage fart-catchers are now busy pretending they don't care but they do, they really do................
As I predicted Facebook full of people posting insane stuff about Labour and Hill whilst ignoring the fact their horse came third. It is as if the weeks of constant promoting of Tice and The Brexit Party and the shouting down of all who dared to dissent never happened. The badly-mauled fruitcakes leap on the Boris bandwagon and continue to rage at anything and everything remotely 'Labour'.
They are too dumb to realise it was they who shot themselves in the foot and it was their unshakeable belief in victory that actually handed the seat to Hill.
In practical terms does this mean Shane will re-name his band of Merry Men before May-perhaps to The Conservative And Unionist Party?
Hill got elected because of a split vote or he'd have been toast. If he'd stood unopposed he'd have come second, he's that poor.
You're celebrating your battle, but the war was lost and you don't seem to have noticed yet.
Strategy trumps tactics so Hill and Tice, are all now irrelevant. Mr Useless will stumble around town in his crumpled suit and Tice like ALL failed candidates will slip quietly away. I can recall no failed candidate hanging around Hartlepool for the rest of their lives. It doesn't happen.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 16, 2019, 07: PM
Hill got elected because of a split vote or he'd have been toast.
Did not Farage say his aim was to 'split the vote'? It is just he was too dumb to understand which way it would split.
Hill won. That is a fact. There were more Labour voters than Tory voters.
Even when riding a tsunami The Brexit Party sank without trace.
Who cares about Brexit party?= history.
Or Hill= waste of oxygen.
Boris "won" = bye bye Republic of Europe.
Next mission get rid of jocks and ni.
Quote from: mk1 on December 16, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 16, 2019, 07: PM
Hill got elected because of a split vote or he'd have been toast.
Did not Farage say his aim was to 'split the vote'? It is just he was too dumb to understand which way it would split.
Hill won. That is a fact. There were more Labour voters than Tory voters.
Even when riding a tsunami The Brexit Party sank without trace.
Your logic is seriously askew.
Tory and Brexit pro Brexit vote combined outnumbered Hill's vote so stop deluding yourself. You're like the bloke on the Titanic with a bike pump convinced he can save the ship as the waters lap around your neck.
The seriously funny part is you promoting Mike Hill, our most useless MP since the Flintstones. The country moved on and by a fluke, we were left with a sack of spuds to represent us for the next five years.
Like I said, you fluked a minor skirmish and lost the war.
What part of democracy do you not understand?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker
Tory and Brexit pro Brexit vote combined outnumbered Hill's vote so stop deluding yourself.
What part of democracy do you not understand?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker
you fluked a minor skirmish and lost the war.
Much as I would love to be the cause of your discomfort I can not claim any credit.
The total crushing of The Brexit carpetbagger Tice is down to one man. Hill took you all on and despite a biased Facebook page totally dedicated to slandering, insulting and making things up about his chances he fought back and knocked the living daylights out of the lot of you. Never have I seen such a well-deserved trouncing.
Beaten by Mike Hill-what a bunch of no-hope losers you all are!
Anyway why are you revisiting your old defeats? Would you not feel better joining in with all the other demented fruitcake misogynists venting against the SNP for daring to think they can break free from the dead-hand of The UK?
I dont really know where Labour can go from here, and I say this as a paid up party member.
It would always happen that time would heal the damage the loss of heavy industry did in the 1970s and 1980s, admittedly not actually heal in terms of employment or affluence but more that it is no longer as relevant. I grew up in the 1990s and a lot of my mates are staunch tories now, primarily because of the farce and back scratching we have seen by the labour run council in this town (and most of the others round here). Total and utter complacency has taken hold for decades and voter trust is probably damaged beyond repair. If it wasnt for Auld Farrage we would be a conservative town now, and the Guardian would have a hoard of reporters running around on the poverty porn tip writing endless soul searching articles about the blindingly obvious
The kids who would historically vote labour and become their life long supporter dont because that job for life doesnt exist. Their perception of labour is one of Archers belch face and multiple re-designs of the same road outside the train station. Either they man the f**k up and start working for the town or they are doomed, if its not already the case
Quote from: eddy on December 17, 2019, 01: PM
I dont really know where Labour can go from here, and I say this as a paid up party member.
Its just the way of politics. Parties spend time out of office until the new broom fcuks up and then they sweep back into power until they too fcuk up and the old lot are re-elected.
You need to start thinking long-term and break free from the temporary gloom your current situation. Never get too involved in any relationship if you can't deal with a break-up.
Thatcher was dragged kicking and screaming from No 10 when the
Conservative Party threw he out because she failed to realise she had become an electoral liability .
All political office ends in failure as Boris will eventually discover.
Quote from: eddy on December 17, 2019, 01: PM
Their perception of labour is one of Archers belch face and multiple re-designs of the same road outside the train station. Either they man the f**k up and start working for the town or they are doomed, if its not already the case
There is corruption in all Parties. I can remember (for example)Dame Shirley Porter and the Westminster Council scandal. The Tories de-housed and exported all non-Tory voting residents and when caught Shirley fled to Israel and got away with just a £12 million fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker
Tory and Brexit pro Brexit vote combined outnumbered Hill's vote so stop deluding yourself.
What part of democracy do you not understand?
What planet are you currently orbiting? We know the oaf flunked it, but I see no one organising a coup to usurp him. We accept the democratic outcome , unlike you with Brexit.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker
you fluked a minor skirmish and lost the war.
Much as I would love to be the cause of your discomfort I can not claim any credit.
The total crushing of The Brexit carpetbagger Tice is down to one man. Hill took you all on and despite a biased Facebook page totally dedicated to slandering, insulting and making things up about his chances he fought back and knocked the living daylights out of the lot of you. Never have I seen such a well-deserved trouncing.
🤡He couldn't fight sleep.
Beaten by Mike Hill-what a bunch of no-hope losers you all are!
Worshipping the cult of Mike Hill is even more disturbing.
Anyway why are you revisiting your old defeats? Would you not feel better joining in with all the other demented fruitcake misogynists venting against the SNP for daring to think they can break free from the dead-hand of The UK?
Still bitter eh?
The Labour Party forgot what the Labour Party was for. Instead of serving their 'congregation' they expected the 'congregation' to serve them.
They need to lose their middle class values.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 05: PM
The Labour Party forgot what the Labour Party was for. Instead of serving their 'congregation' they expected the 'congregation' to serve them.
They need to lose their middle class values.
Hill won. the Hartlepool Labour congregation gave Hill their support.
It was the die-hard extreme -brexit fruitcakes who had their ar*ses handed to them.
The crushed Brexit Party supporters are all now desperately pretending they were Boris supporters all along so they can avoid facing the fact they were hammered in the Pools.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/permalink/1498976730262319/
The numbers for The Brexit Party were pathetic. 2% voted for them. The Greens were more popular
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/921/MrAZ74.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plMrAZ74j)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 06: AM
Tory and Brexit pro Brexit vote combined outnumbered Hill's vote so stop deluding yourself..............
Hmmm...............
Conservative/Brexit Party vote Dec 13 =
14,608,868Combined Lab/Lib/SNP =
15,207,871You started it...........
You really aren't a people person are you MK1?
Your posts regularly ooze extreme disdain and contempt for those who are merely trying to discuss their views and opinions on the political situation.
Some of us have lives beyond politics and this forum you know. It might serve you well to remember that.
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 05: PM
The Labour Party forgot what the Labour Party was for. Instead of serving their 'congregation' they expected the 'congregation' to serve them.
They need to lose their middle class values.
Hill won. the Hartlepool Labour congregation gave Hill their support.
It was the die-hard extreme -brexit fruitcakes who had their ar*ses handed to them.
The crushed Brexit Party supporters are all now desperately pretending they were Boris supporters all along so they can avoid facing the fact they were hammered in the Pools.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/permalink/1498976730262319/
It's the only thing that keeps you going, recreating your own little version of events. By the way, swimming pools or Hartlepool Utd 'Pools' you local team, where they were 'hammered'?
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 06: AM
Tory and Brexit pro Brexit vote combined outnumbered Hill's vote so stop deluding yourself..............
Hmmm...............
Conservative/Brexit Party vote Dec 13 = 14,608,868
Combined Lab/Lib/SNP = 15,207,871
You started it...........
Well when the Brexit referendum vote was taken and you lost, you chuntered away for three and a half years. Democracy was of no consequence to you then.
Your democratic chest beating is no more than a grubby flag of convenience to suit your choices.
You know how the first past the post system works so cut out the nonsense. If your precious Labour Party had won by the same margin you and your mate Fighting Mike would have no scruples defending the first past the post system.
Quote from: diSme on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Your posts regularly ooze extreme disdain and contempt for those who are merely trying to discuss their views and opinions on the political situation.
Usually one finds fault/favour in a poster in direct proportion to how much agreement you are with their political creed. Whilst many people claim to be impartial in reality they are far from so and tend to get bu*m-hurt only when they see their cherished views challenged.
Let me make a wild guess. You are not here to complain that Labour/Diane Abbott/ Mike Hill had been treated unfairly?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Well when the Brexit referendum vote was taken and you lost, you chuntered away for three and a half years. Democracy was of no consequence to you then.
Your democratic chest beating is no more than a grubby flag of convenience to suit your choices.
That could have been a defence ploy by Fred West at his trial. He should have told the jury that whilst he admits he made a few mistakes he wasn't as bad as Peter Sutcliffe!
I merely hold up a mirror. What you see is what you are.
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: diSme on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Your posts regularly ooze extreme disdain and contempt for those who are merely trying to discuss their views and opinions on the political situation.
Usually one finds fault/favour in a poster in direct proportion to how much agreement you are with their political creed. Whilst many people claim to be impartial in reality they are far from so and tend to get bu*m-hurt only when they see their cherished views challenged.
Let me make a wild guess. You are not here to complain that Labour/Diane Abbott/ Mike Hill had been treated unfairly?
Are you seriously trying to tell us you are above mortal's politics, because Helen Keller could see your bias.
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: diSme on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Your posts regularly ooze extreme disdain and contempt for those who are merely trying to discuss their views and opinions on the political situation.
Usually one finds fault/favour in a poster in direct proportion to how much agreement you are with their political creed. Whilst many people claim to be impartial in reality they are far from so and tend to get bu*m-hurt only when they see their cherished views challenged.
Let me make a wild guess. You are not here to complain that Labour/Diane Abbott/ Mike Hill had been treated unfairly?
I believe that the democratic process in Hartlepool was fair. I don't however believe that it has resulted in a fair representation of the wishes of the majority of the town's electorate. But it is what it is, and I'm not going to bust a nut trying to argue with anyone about it, particularly you...
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 06: AM
Tory and Brexit pro Brexit vote combined outnumbered Hill's vote so stop deluding yourself..............
Hmmm...............
Conservative/Brexit Party vote Dec 13 = 14,608,868
Combined Lab/Lib/SNP = 15,207,871
You started it...........
Not sure where you get your numbers from but.....Mmmm did you run out of fingers?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000733 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000733)
Hartlepool Parliamentary constituency Results
Conservative/Brexit Party vote Dec 13 22,472
Combined Lab/Lib/SNP 18,565
I'll finish it.....Just saying..... ;)
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 17, 2019, 07: PM
Not sure where you get your numbers from but.....Mmmm did you run out of fingers?
I am going to be charitable and assume you did not read my original post and slipped straight to 'you say aye, I say nae' mode.
Quote from: diSme on December 17, 2019, 06: PM
I believe that the democratic process in Hartlepool was fair. I don't however believe that it has resulted in a fair representation of the wishes of the majority of the town's electorate.
What has fairness got to do with anything?
Compare the 'fairness'of the Post Facebook page who had a pole(sic) just before the vote that found 61% who voted thought the Brexit Party would win compared to 23% who thought Labour would win. It you do the vote-share on the whole of the electorate (including those that did not vote) then Brexit Party support on the FB page is
4 times what it was in reality whilst Labour was almost spot-on. . That shows you how successful a minority were in infiltrating and dominating and making it look like they were making all the running. Now all the Brexit People are claiming they always wanted Boris to win and they never intended to be anything more than a vote splitter. Its all bollox and they were devastated when Trice was trounced.
I am not the only one who noticed:
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So - are you suggesting that we censor the Post's Facebook page?
Quote from: admin on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
So - are you suggesting that we censor the Post's Facebook page?
I suggested no such thing. However you do censor. Lots of people have been booted off..
It was
allowed to become a Brexit Party dominated Forum and was not a hostile take-over. It is undeniable that Brexit Party supporters are over-represented on the FB page. Only 15% of the Hartlepool electorate eligible to vote voted for the Brexit Party.
Even if you use the 26% (of the 58% who voted) total then the Brexit supporters are still (at 61%) massively overrepresented.
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 17, 2019, 07: PM
Not sure where you get your numbers from but.....Mmmm did you run out of fingers?
I am going to be charitable and assume you did not read my original post and slipped straight to 'you say aye, I say nae' mode.
I am going to be charitable and give you that..... but why would you quote national figures when defending Hopeless Hill?
Silly me we all know why.....anything to support your hatred of all things Brexit.....
By the way did you read news we are leaving end of January 2020 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
Quote from: admin on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
So - are you suggesting that we censor the Post's Facebook page?
I suggested no such thing. However you do censor. Lots of people have been booted off..
It was allowed to become a Brexit Party dominated Forum and was not a hostile take-over. It is undeniable that Brexit Party supporters are over-represented on the FB page. Only 15% of the Hartlepool electorate eligible to vote voted for the Brexit Party.
Even if you use the 26% (of the 58% who voted) total then the Brexit supporters are still (at 61%) massively overrepresented.
Actually, very few have been 'booted off'. Those who fall into that category have usually either used bad language/tried to use the Post for commercial advertising/been rude to other members. Occasionally we will 'mute' a member on a temporary basis - either to allow time to cool down (or even to protect a vulnerable member).
I can't let that go, there are over 2500 members in the Posts FB group and yes a tiny and I mean a tiny number of people have been removed......Mainly for effing, jeffing and disrespectful comments and behaviour to other members.
It wasn't allowed to become a Brexit Party dominated group, the content comes from all party's, as for over representing Brexit supporters, how the fcukin hell are the moderators supposed to know the political allegiances of someone who requests to join the group.......and should we as admins throw someone out of the group because of your percentage figures.
Very few applicants are turned down and that is based on the fb profile of the applicant, there are the usual labour trolls that constantly apply to join the Post and surprise surprise they are rejected.
If you want to see biased and offensive comments and behaviour take a look at a number of other fb groups that deal with local politics.
And you should see some of the (relatively few) iffy profiles we refuse ... 'Dwain Pipe' ... 'Mr Van Poopoopants' ... We can spot them a mile off (not that they're subtle). We're fine with real, genuine, non-combative Hartlepudlans, regardless of the shade of their rosettes - after all, that's what keeps it interesting enough to grow the way it has.
Quote from: fred c on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
, how the fcukin hell are the moderators supposed to know the political allegiances of someone who requests to join the group......
You can judge the mood music of any forum by the reaction certain posts get. For instance if someone drags up an old post by Shane that shows he lies and gets attacked for it and when someone drags up an old quote by Corbyn showing he lied gets praised for it then you know the 'forum' has an agenda.
Quote from: fred c on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
If you want to see biased and offensive comments and behaviour take a look at a number of other fb groups that deal with local politics.
I see biased comments all the time. Everyone has some bias. Some people have total bias. The trick is to recognise bias and not assume only the opposition are biased.
As for the % figures they are unarguable. If there are 3-4 times more people in a group (any group) than there should be by the laws of chance then that is not a representative group. There is nothing wrong with running a biased group/club or whatever. Its perfectly legal and acceptable activity.
Quote from: mk1 on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
you know the 'forum' has an agenda.
Brilliant deduction.Not. :o :o :o
Certain "members" may have an agenda........I have an agenda......leave Europe ;)...seems I am not alone in this town and nationally.
But you can not accuse forum admin of being biased because apart from retards they allow all to contribute provided they are not fixated, abusive or anal......- if you are unhappy with a particular forum ...
easy fix.
Leave.
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 17, 2019, 10: PM
But you can not accuse forum admin of being biased because apart from retards they allow all to contribute provided they are not fixated, abusive or anal............
You can if you have a specific example where 2 people post
the exact same point with proof showing 1 right-wing and 1 left wing politician lying and one of the posters is attacked as a muckraker and the other praised for exposing the lies.
Pointless discussion time to move on or leave.
Quote from: mk1 on December 16, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: mk1 on December 13, 2019, 10: AM
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All the Farage fart-catchers are now busy pretending they don't care but they do, they really do................
As I predicted Facebook full of people posting insane stuff about Labour and Hill whilst ignoring the fact their horse came third. It is as if the weeks of constant promoting of Tice and The Brexit Party and the shouting down of all who dared to dissent never happened. The badly-mauled fruitcakes leap on the Boris bandwagon and continue to rage at anything and everything remotely 'Labour'.
They are too dumb to realise it was they who shot themselves in the foot and it was their unshakeable belief in victory that actually handed the seat to Hill.
In practical terms does this mean Shane will re-name his band of Merry Men before May-perhaps to The Conservative And Unionist Party?
Don't see too many posts where the actual poster has to stick in one of his own inane efforts as an intro, but then I saw it was from mikeyboy (you know.....'You can take the boy out of Greatham, but you can't take Greatham out of the boy!') and so, that explained things.
"Fruitcakes"; "dumb", "insane"; "rage"......."bong eyed".....blah blah blah blah ad infinitum; ad nauseum.
Why don't you just get back to your vegan themed allotment where there is hopefully no WiFi signal, and give all of us mere plebs a well deserved rest?
As your nemesis IK neatly posits - you simply can't comprehend that although the local, insignificant tactical battle was lost, the more important strategic war was overwhelmingly won.
Just want to make a point as someone, who like FredC and many others, see you as a negative force ref the ongoing viability and effectiveness of the HP.
You present yourself as a bit of a sad sack; a twisted loser. Get over it! Labour tanked; Boris and the vast majority won. Worst labour showing since the 30's. Brexit party contributed directly to the result with Corbynski himself doing the main damage. Doffing his little Lenin cap to all his naive Momentum acolytes and with his preposterous one-trick mantra of "Everything will be for free for all Freeloaders. Just vote for me!"
Just to add a heartfelt plea - mikeyboy, give the Post (and all of us) a well deserved rest, and drop your myopic, fence-sitting, ill-thought, circular, repetitive, anorak-ish, adolescent musings before you singlehandedly destroy the Post. What's the greatham bulls***ometer count up to these days? 5800-ish? and every one of them a winner.
(now waiting with trembling excitement for your guaranteed usual playground response where you'll be able to dig out a pithy, hilarious and hard-hitting YouTube clip from your seemingly bottomless fund of sad archives .....except we all know that no-one ever bothers to click on them)
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 09: AM
- you simply can't comprehend that although the local, insignificant tactical battle was lost,
I see clearly what others wish to forget-that they made a huge effort to unseat Hill and were supremely cocksure they were going to win. When reality dawned and they found they were beaten (into third, a no-show Tory even beat them!) they desperately looked for an excuse to show that they did not really lose after all. Yet again Farage did not get a single MP elected anywhere. If Tice had won you would not be saying it was insignificant so don't try and pretend otherwise.
I am not the only one who noticed this:
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/hbueZC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pohbueZCj)
At the start of the campaign the fruitcakes were boasting they were going to replace Labour as the opposition and that if Boris did not do their bidding they would wreck his EU Bill. Then cowardly Farage lost his bottle and completely surrendered when Boris told him to go take a hike. In the end you got
2% of the popular vote and were even trounced by the Greens!
Quote from: Hubris on December 05, 2019, 07: PM
............next week when Tice (the Greatham anti-Christ) becomes our next MP.
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 09: AM
Just to add a heartfelt plea - mikeyboy, give the Post (and all of us) a well deserved rest, and drop your myopic, fence-sitting, ill-thought, circular, repetitive, anorak-ish, adolescent musings ......
Remember the howls when I used images that showed the typical fruitcake UKIP/EDL/Brexit Party member as a middle aged racist thuggish football supporter? Remember how I said the football hooligan
crowd were a target demographic for The Brexit Party? Remember how you all cried and said that was a slander and such people would
never be allowed in The Brexit Party?
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/jN0Vgw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pljN0Vgwj)
Now look at the film of the racist ignorant Brexit Party people (more than one) filmed last week. Remind me of the racist drug-dealing self-confessed drunk violent 5 times banned thug who was a Brexit Party Councillor. Tell me again how wrong I was.
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What's the greatham bulls***ometer count up to these days? 5800-ish? and every one of them a winner.
(now waiting with trembling excitement for your guaranteed usual playground response where you'll be able to dig out a pithy, hilarious and hard-hitting YouTube clip from your seemingly bottomless fund of sad archives .....except we all know that no-one ever bothers to click on them)
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Wow. mikey, your brilliant riposte leaves me speechless, humbled and indeed awestruck. I never saw that one coming. Even a new slogan on your much loved battle-bus. We bow to your innate and statesmanlike grasp of all things on all issues. Can't wait for edict number 5796. Don't keep us all in suspense. Teach us. Guide us. Only you have the insight sufficient enough to lead us into sunny uplands where sensible and balanced arguments prevail.
Something just struck me mikey, you aren't actually Frank from the Vicar of Dibley are you?
When by this afternoon you give yourself a gold star for breaking through the 5800 barrier, you will not only have individually sent in more posts than all the other posters together ever have, but when I went back through them all and measured your voluminous inputs (not just in numbers but in inches) if they were all laid end to end they would stretch from the Bull and Dog to Wolviston roundabout. And your collective YouTube clips would fill a good sized box-set.
All hail our Guru!
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 02: PM
Only you have the insight sufficient enough to lead us into sunny uplands .........
Oh bug*ger I am doomed.
Your approval seems to portend disaster
Quote from: Hubris on December 05, 2019, 08: PM
COME ON TICE!
60 years of tossers and nowt to show for it.
Time for a change.
Time for the least worst!
Quote from: Hubris on December 05, 2019, 07: PM
.............next week when Tice (the Greatham anti-Christ) becomes our next MP.
Can you up the personal insults ? Normally I have to pay a young lady to talk to me like that and if you are willing to do it for free then I could save a bit of money.
Can I be cheeky and ask if you can also walk on my back in high-heels whilst telling me how pathetic I am................pretty please?
You being a giant dick is just a bonus!
I've heard about blokes like that ... weird ...
Quote from: mk1 on December 18, 2019, 03: PM
You being a giant dick is just a bonus!
Oh dear here we go........bet the mods love the route this is going down..... :o
Can I ask a straightforward question and get a straightforward answer please mk1.
Do you actually support Mike Hill and do you think he is beneficial for the town?
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 18, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: mk1 on December 18, 2019, 03: PM
You being a giant dick is just a bonus!
Oh dear here we go........bet the mods love the route this is going down..... :o
No one apart from mk1 likes how this is going, he has made a mockery of what was the towns premier local political forum, it's more and more likely he will succeed were Blackwood & Co failed and force the demise of The Hartlepool Post.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 17, 2019, 05: PM
The Labour Party forgot what the Labour Party was for. Instead of serving their 'congregation' they expected the 'congregation' to serve them.
They need to lose their middle class values.
Ignoring the two pages of personal insults for a sec...
I think they probably need to moderate all values and come back to somewhere in the middle, although in Momentum speak by extension me saying that makes me a Blair loving iraq killing red tory.
There is something curious about how the left likes to attack itself and be very tribal, more so than those on the right; even if you look at Brexit and the division in the Tory party they still always manage to pull some modicum of a consensus
Labour are stuffed for 10 years+, it will take another 5 years for us to collectively realise offering a hard left agenda and calling anyone who isnt on board a racist / tory doesnt appeal to people outside student unions or big cities.
Re: Mr Hill, probably does free load on the sheep voting labour and generally coasts along. Although I wouldnt envy the job of any elected member in our town trying to work its improvement, the issues we have are a UK wide concern for ex industrial towns. They could bust their balls trying and probably not see much of an improvement
Surely it's not unreasonable for the electorate to expect their elected MP to bust their balls and try to better the constituency in any way they can, regardless of the outcome. Isn't that what the job 'should' be?
Mike Hill just coasting along is never going to endear him to the people of the town who actually take notice of how he performs, and as such, in a public position, he is undoubtedly going to be the target of critics. And the fact that he pretty much 'got lucky' in this election really isn't going to help his position.
I maintain that he is a "wet fart", and would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong...
I agree, the mess is entirely of Labours own making. Decades of coasting and taking the electorate for granted are coming hope to reap its rewards. Mr Hill has been a coaster, Mr Houchin is showing him up as one and will probably continue to do so. Its possible to turn it around but it depends on the personality and whether they are able to change, I have my doubts.
What angers me as a member is the collective inability of those in the party with influence to see how their own complacency is far more damaging to their grass roots support than anything Boris or Brexit can throw at it. Its so painfully obvious you would think they would react, its like they are all stood around looking at the hole in the bottom of the ship but not acknowledging there is a problem !
Quote from: fred c on December 18, 2019, 04: PM
No one apart from mk1 likes how this is going, he has made a mockery of what was the towns premier local political forum, it's more and more likely he will succeed were Blackwood & Co failed and force the demise of The Hartlepool Post.
Quote from: eddy on December 18, 2019, 05: PM
I agree, the mess is entirely of Labours own making. Decades of coasting and taking the electorate for granted are coming hope to reap its rewards. Mr Hill has been a coaster, Mr Houchin is showing him up as one and will probably continue to do so. Its possible to turn it around but it depends on the personality and whether they are able to change, I have my doubts.
What angers me as a member is the collective inability of those in the party with influence to see how their own complacency is far more damaging to their grass roots support than anything Boris or Brexit can throw at it. Its so painfully obvious you would think they would react, its like they are all stood around looking at the hole in the bottom of the ship but not acknowledging there is a problem !
You seem to have a logical view of things, I'm assuming that it's become a frustrating position for you to be in? It certainly sounds frustrating.
I think that if labour had spent more time over the years taking care of the 'little things', then the bigger things wouldn't have become so much of an issue.
If the hull of the ship was properly maintained over the years, then the hole in the bottom will likely not have appeared.
Sorry, I know it's from the Sun, but potentially pertinent -
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10576141/boris-johnson-couldve-won-by-even-bigger-majority-after-nigel-farages-brexit-party-blocked-20-seats/
Quote from: fred c on December 18, 2019, 04: PM
No one apart from mk1 likes how this is going, he has made a mockery of what was the towns premier local political forum,
You moderate a FB page where insults are allowed against Labour politicians so why is it a problem when I do the same to your chosen political party?
Quote from: fred c on December 18, 2019, 04: PM
t's more and more likely he will succeed were Blackwood & Co failed and force the demise of The Hartlepool Post.
Glad you brought that up.
When Harry first started posting here he was made very welcome nearly everyone fell over themselves (fawning does not even come close to describing it) to stroke his ego and tell him what a great bloke he was. I was the one who said right from the start (in PMs to Steve) that he would cause problems and, as we all know, he did. I never moderated my attacks on the Andy Simms crowd at all here and I made sure I fought back
on the forum in public while most the current bunch of keyboard warriors kept their heads down in case they got picked on. I even got knock-backs when I asked people to post simple question so I could expose Simms on the forum. I will take no lectures from anyone about my 'wrecking' a Forum I fought very hard to preserve. I spoke to Steve a lot whilst he was here and I can tell you he was an unflinching enemy of the UKIP/Farage mob so please don't try and claim it is just me who saw them as racists thugs . If anyone requires proof I can provide some of the more saltier ripostes from Steve to the UKIP shills.
I also have a mountain of PMs with all and sundry here and if I was so inclined could show a certain party-changing local politician explaining why he could never stand as an independent because he is, was and always will be a conservative or a message where he pointed out an unflattering physical attribute of CAB that he suggests I should mention because '
He knows I know so it wouldn't have the same result if I said it'
Quote from: admin on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
So - are you suggesting that we censor the Post's Facebook page?
Not into censorship, but couldn't the Post somehow discourage, or maybe even ration those that are stupefyingly tedious? (and what are the odds of him breaking his 5.8K target by 9.00 tonight?)
Quote from: diSme on December 18, 2019, 05: PM
Sorry, I know it's from the Sun, but potentially pertinent -
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10576141/boris-johnson-couldve-won-by-even-bigger-majority-after-nigel-farages-brexit-party-blocked-20-seats/
Which is what I keep saying. The Brexit Party was just another Farage Cult with no aim other than advance brand Farage. Nigel does not want anyone telling him what to do so The Brexit Party' was not even a proper political Party but a Organisation owned by Farage personally.
7 times failed General Election Candidate Farage fcuks up everything he touches and within days of the start of the election he completely caved when Boris called his bluff. Then the local Brexit fools swamped local media inflating their influence and numbers to try and trick voters into tactically voting for them as the best chance of beating Labour and as a result
Hartlepool Brexit Party handed the seat to Labour. An invisible Tory candidate got more votes than trounced Trice!
They are without doubt the most incompetent bunch of '
'Brewery Premises Drinking Event Organisers' you could ever wish to meet.
If I might be so bold as to bump my question, on the off chance you missed it -
Quote from: diSme on December 18, 2019, 04: PM
Can I ask a straightforward question and get a straightforward answer please mk1.
Do you actually support Mike Hill and do you think he is beneficial for the town?
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: admin on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
So - are you suggesting that we censor the Post's Facebook page?
Not into censorship, but couldn't the Post somehow discourage, or maybe even ration those that are stupefyingly tedious? (and what are the odds of him breaking his 5.8K target by 9.00 tonight?)
When it comes to pesky posters we can't cap the volume of their utterances; but we
can put them on pre mod, which means that nothing gets onto the forum until an admin's approved it (on an individual post by post basis). That's what the late (and much missed) SteveL usually did when someone was flooding the forum.
Quote from: admin on December 18, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: admin on December 17, 2019, 09: PM
So - are you suggesting that we censor the Post's Facebook page?
Not into censorship, but couldn't the Post somehow discourage, or maybe even ration those that are stupefyingly tedious? (and what are the odds of him breaking his 5.8K target by 9.00 tonight?)
When it comes to pesky posters we can't cap the volume of their utterances; but we can put them on pre mod, which means that nothing gets onto the forum until an admin's approved it (on an individual post by post basis). That's what the late (and much missed) SteveL usually did when someone was flooding the forum.
I'm also against censorship, except in extreme circumstances. I do think that moderators could step into some exchanges now and then, and politely suggest that people tone it down a little when things are getting out of hand or off-topic. Whether it be through PM or public comment, I've found that is usually the best way to get an individual to rethink or moderate their posts without staff having to resort to extreme measures.
I can think of a number of exchanges on this very forum where such intervention would have been beneficial.
Quote from: diSme on December 18, 2019, 06: PM
Do you actually support Mike Hill and do you think he is beneficial for the town?
I have no idea what Hill or any MP does in a normal day. It would be easy to say he is useless but in truth I have no idea what 'not useless' is.
In general I do not think
any MP can do much to turn around a town that has been in decline for 100 years. The best anyone seems to manage is to replace say 20 of the last 50 jobs lost. When your council gets a front-page newspaper article out of a Cafe Opening then you know how bad it is. Party politics is all bollocks and I despise the simplistic fools who think that changing their party Allegiance means they have to become obsessive proselytising ars*eholes for their new masters and bore us all to death with stories of future riches if we just follow their messiah.
I think every politician needs a bucket of s**t thrown over them at regular intervals whether they deserve it or not and looking around I see much merde being lobbed in Labours direction. I think Labour are well covered (pun) in that area so decided I would mainly (but not exclusively) aim at the dominant local Political Party with a proven history of lies and deception. This has not got down well with recent converts to that party.
So do I support Hill?
No I support no one and I mock them all. If you want cloying endless praise then I am not your man.
Do I think Tice would have done anything for the town? Perhaps but only to establish Brand Farage and we would be a means to an end. A Tory MP would be equally ineffective and I guess you can say the town is fcuked no matter who it elects. The only real change will come when a major employer with real well-paid jobs relocates to the town. Given the geography (we are at the end of a branch-road going nowhere) that is not going to happen.
Unlike most here I expect nothing from my politicians. I know they do not really care about me. I know they will not deliver on their election promises and I do not expect things will improve in my lifetime. Given I do not place my hopes in anyone no one is going to get me upset. I am not a pessimist I am a realist. You have no idea how liberating it is
not to be worried about the latest vote on anything. I never ask for favours and thus am never put out when none are given.
Schadenfreude is my only vice.
Quote from: mk1 on December 18, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: diSme on December 18, 2019, 06: PM
Do you actually support Mike Hill and do you think he is beneficial for the town?
I have no idea what Hill or any MP does in a normal day. It would be easy to say he is useless but in truth I have no idea what 'not useless' is.
In general I do not think any MP can do much to turn around a town that has been in decline for 100 years. The best anyone seems to manage is to replace say 20 of the last 50 jobs lost. When your council gets a front-page newspaper article out of a Cafe Opening then you know how bad it is. Party politics is all bollocks and I despise the simplistic fools who think that changing their party Allegiance means they have to become obsessive proselytising ars*eholes for their new masters and bore us all to death with stories of future riches if we just follow their messiah.
I think every politician needs a bucket of s**t thrown over them at regular intervals whether they deserve it or not and looking around I see much merde being lobbed in Labours direction. I think Labour are well covered (pun) in that area so decided I would mainly (but not exclusively) aim at the dominant local Political Party with a proven history of lies and deception. This has not got down well with recent converts to that party.
So do I support Hill?
No I support no one and I mock them all. If you want cloying endless praise then I am not your man.
Do I think Tice would have done anything for the town? Perhaps but only to establish Brand Farage and we would be a means to an end. A Tory MP would be equally ineffective and I guess you can say the town is fcuked no matter who it elects. The only real change will come when a major employer with real well-paid jobs relocates to the town. Given the geography (we are at the end of a branch-road going nowhere) that is not going to happen.
Unlike most here I expect nothing from my politicians. I know they do not really care about me. I know they will not deliver on their election promises and I do not expect things will improve in my lifetime. Given I do not place my hopes in anyone no one is going to get me upset. I am not a pessimist I am a realist. You have no idea how liberating it is not to be worried about the latest vote on anything. I never ask for favours and thus am never put out when none are given.
Schadenfreude is my only vice.
How do you know I have no idea how liberating it feels to not be worried about the votes? You have no idea what goes on in my mind...
I actually agree with the majority of your answer, it is testament to how broken the political system is, so don't for one second think that you are the only realist on this board. Unfortunately, we are currently lumbered with this system, with seemingly no easy way out, so I'm minded to think that this board exists for people to discuss the political climate as it is, which is all I am trying to do.
Berating people for discussing party politics really isn't fair, as we are dealing with party politics, whether we like it or not. And when I say "we", I mean the people of Hartlepool and the members of this board. Are we not all in the same boat? Do we not all desire the best for this town?
Perhaps we would achieve something a little more constructive if we ascended beyond condescending attitudes and calling each other out on disagreements of opinion...
Quote from: diSme on December 18, 2019, 08: PM
Berating people for discussing party politics really isn't fair, as we are dealing with party politics, whether we like it or not. And when I say "we", I mean the people of Hartlepool and the members of this board. Are we not all in the same boat? Do we not all desire the best for this town?
Perhaps we would achieve something a little more constructive if we ascended beyond condescending attitudes and calling each other out on disagreements of opinion...
When Shane was elected he very soon started a course of action that seemed to me to bode ill for the future. I noticed things and in PMs discussed it with fellow members. I actually had a local link to him and Farage that everyone else seems to have missed and I mentioned in a pm how I would not bring it up on the Forum so I did 'give him a chance'. However I noticed the FB page had gone completely overboard with support for Shane and that any criticism of Shane got a very frosty reception. I again (by PM) contacted others here and got confirmation I was not alone in my fears. I saw how David's posts on FB were getting increasingly harsh replies and at times he was directly insulted and his intentions questioned. The last straw for me was two posts days apart where David used an old post by Shane to show how he had lied and he was attacked for dragging up the past etc. Yet when someone else used an old Corbyn quote to show he had also lied
the very same people who attacked David for 'dragging up the past' were now praising the new poster for exposing Corbyn as a liar. That was the final straw for me.
Suggest we cool it ... just saying.
Excellent replies from both Mk1 and diSme. So, when the Brexit party in Hartlepool decides that 'The Party is over', will they change their name to whatever Farages latest idea is, or will, as Mk1 suggests (at least for Shane), join the Conservative party? Or will they go back to being Independents ;)?
Quote from: mk1 on December 18, 2019, 07: PM
Unlike most here I expect nothing from my politicians. I know they do not really care about me. I know they will not deliver on their election promises and I do not expect things will improve in my lifetime. Given I do not place my hopes in anyone no one is going to get me upset. I am not a pessimist I am a realist.
Actually you have summed up my views....But I expect things will improve for ME in MY life time- working on the basis you make your own luck.......
Also
I wanted out of Europe- it is happening.
I did not want an antisemitic 1970 "power to the people" with links to terrorist organisations
clown in power- result
Given your position regarding politics in general I can not understand your fixation on Farage etc.....I mean why would you care- apart from "I told you so" or " I am always right and never wrong"?
Constant references to Blackwood and others in the dim and distant past is frankly boring...
Old news is just that- Old News.
As I said before maybe time you took up a hobby?....got out more?
As a peace offering see template below for future posts:
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Some sh**e about Blackwood/Steve
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1 x Latest expression discovered on Wikipedia
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Close with of course....Bong Eyed Looney/Little Englander statement as click bait.
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Alternatively move on...and cool it.
You are welcome.
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 06: PM
what are the odds of him breaking his 5.8K target by 9.00 tonight?)
Round of applause he did it ;)
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on December 18, 2019, 08: PM
will they go back to being Independents ;)?
They were never "independents"....they just want the cash and the attention......a convicted drunk driver running the clowncil for gods sake.....
They will jump wherever they think they will have longevity....
But people have long memories.....
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 19, 2019, 07: AM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on December 18, 2019, 08: PM
will they go back to being Independents ;)?
They were never "independents"....they just want the cash and the attention......a convicted drunk driver running the clowncil for gods sake.....
They will jump wherever they think they will have longevity....
But people have long memories.....
Good morning akarjl2. As I believe I asked earlier, do you think that the BP votes in Hartlepool will move to Labour or the Cons, if / when the BP in the town move on or out? Do you think that we'll ever get a Tory MP, as a fair few towns have last week?
i suppose it depends on outcome of an on police going investigation into a certain cardboard cutout labour mp.... ;)
Failing that guess we are stuck with the waste of space?
Quote from: diSme on December 18, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: eddy on December 18, 2019, 05: PM
I agree, the mess is entirely of Labours own making. Decades of coasting and taking the electorate for granted are coming hope to reap its rewards. Mr Hill has been a coaster, Mr Houchin is showing him up as one and will probably continue to do so. Its possible to turn it around but it depends on the personality and whether they are able to change, I have my doubts.
What angers me as a member is the collective inability of those in the party with influence to see how their own complacency is far more damaging to their grass roots support than anything Boris or Brexit can throw at it. Its so painfully obvious you would think they would react, its like they are all stood around looking at the hole in the bottom of the ship but not acknowledging there is a problem !
You seem to have a logical view of things, I'm assuming that it's become a frustrating position for you to be in? It certainly sounds frustrating.
I think that if labour had spent more time over the years taking care of the 'little things', then the bigger things wouldn't have become so much of an issue.
If the hull of the ship was properly maintained over the years, then the hole in the bottom will likely not have appeared.
I have a lot of mates who are conservative voters, and I work in property which means even more Torys. I learned a while ago politics aint black and white, there are people who I have a lot of respect for who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, and those within labour who are a disgrace.
It is immensely frustrating, I have my reasons for being a labour supporter and what worries me most is we will end up in the same situation in 4-5 years time with zero lessons learned. I genuinely dont get why others cant see what will happen if we dont change!
Eddy so do you think Thornbury would be the choice?
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 19, 2019, 07: AM
As I said before maybe time you took up a hobby?..
Got one. It keeps me very focused and busy. My time here is recreational.
I use 'you' as my Xanthippe:
'If I can manage such an animal, it will be easy enough to deal with every other horse beside'And:
"
After thunder comes the rain."
I would have thought Epona to be more appropriate.
Another loss for Len McCluskey. His online smear newspaper gets hit with a £75,000 bill.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ex-labour-mp-anna-turley-wins-libel-case-against-skwawkbox_uk_5dfb875de4b01834791ca6c1?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage
Quote from: mk1 on December 19, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 19, 2019, 07: AM
As I said before maybe time you took up a hobby?..
Got one. It keeps me very focused and busy.
Not busy enough for most people.
My time here is recreational.
Yeah, it puts most us to sleep too.
Quote from: stokoe on December 19, 2019, 02: PM
Eddy so do you think Thornbury would be the choice?
As soon as Thornbury becomes a candidate, out will come her infamous video from several years ago of her out canvassing in Chatham and being rather uncomplimentary about some working class people of whom she 'disapproved'.
mentioned on radio 5 this morning :D
The Guardian's take on a Lady Nugee 'observation' ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/21/emily-thornberry-resignation-explain-outside-britain
Quote from: mk1 on December 18, 2019, 07: PM
So do I support Hill?
No I support no one and I mock them all.
In effect you serve no purpose, you just snipe, nothing constructive, just the one who mocks and tells us why things can't be done. A grinch.
If you want cloying endless praise then I am not your man.
You don't say Sherlock. Who could have imagined that. ::)
Do I think Tice would have done anything for the town? Perhaps but only to establish Brand Farage and we would be a means to an end. A Tory MP would be equally ineffective and I guess you can say the town is fcuked no matter who it elects. The only real change will come when a major employer with real well-paid jobs relocates to the town. Given the geography (we are at the end of a branch-road going nowhere) that is not going to happen.
You really are one depressing individual when it comes to slagging the town in general the off. Every town is by passed and thus at the end of a road, you just like being depressing.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 19, 2019, 08: PM
Every town is by passed and thus at the end of a road,
No.
Peterlee in on a main road heading North.
You may have to go through or pass by Peterlee even if your destination is not Peterlee.
Peterlee is very well connected to the road Network and thus has an advantage over Hartlepool which is very poorly served by a main road.
The road to Hartlepool ends at Hartlepool.
No one with any sense would travel from Teesside to Sunderland (either way) via Hartlepool.
You would only take the road to Hartlepool if your going to visit somewhere in Hartlepool.
There is very little traffic going through Hartlepool on the way to somewhere else.
You can tell you don't drive.
Roads into all towns and cities are inevitably a dead end, the distance of Hartlepool from the A19 is neither here nor there, it's about how quickly you can get in and out.
I drive into several towns and cities adjoining the motorway system across the country, but the fun starts when you try to get into them. Portsmouth has it the M27 on it 's doorstep and a a motorway spur virtually into the city, then the fun begins.
Your 'expert knowledge' appears to be based on Dickensian Stagecoach schedules for 1858 riding up the old Great North Road via Stamford complete with horses and dogs and local all celebrating it arrival like some Xmas card scene.
What part of "from Greatham" did you forget about? ;)
Quote from: mk1 on December 18, 2019, 12: PM
I see clearly what others wish to forget-that they made a huge effort to unseat Hill and were supremely cocksure they were going to win. When reality dawned and they found they were beaten (into third, a no-show Tory even beat them!) they desperately looked for an excuse to show that they did not really lose after all. Yet again Farage did not get a single MP elected anywhere. If Tice had won you would not be saying it was insignificant so don't try and pretend otherwise.
I am not the only one who noticed this:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/WG9ODy.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plWG9ODyj)
Forever to be known as Brories (by me anyway).
Quote from: stokoe on December 19, 2019, 02: PM
Eddy so do you think Thornbury would be the choice?
Am not sure on any of them at the mo, I dont know enough about each to make an informed view. I know Rebbeca LB is being anointed as Corbyns heir apparent which really worries me (see previous notes on not fixing the hole in the ship).
People keep saying the like of Blair would bury Johnson, I dont think there is much to be gained reviving the new labour brand as its far too tarnished however we clearly need someone more in the middle.
At the very least we need someone who the Mail and Sun cant spend the next 5 years completing a character assassination on, so someone who has flown below the radar or generally stayed out of trouble during their career. The character assassination will happen regardless, but it makes it harder to complete. Its not without a sense of irony either, given the veritable graveyard of skeltons that likely lurk in Mr Johnsons closet
Quote from: Hubris on December 18, 2019, 02: PM
When by this afternoon you give yourself a gold star for breaking through the 5800 barrier, you will not only have individually sent in more posts than all the other posters together ever have, but when I went back through them all and measured your voluminous inputs (not just in numbers but in inches) if they were all laid end to end they would stretch from the Bull and Dog to Wolviston roundabout. And your collective YouTube clips would fill a good sized box-set.
All hail our Guru!
You have been singing that same same song for years now.
Quote from: Hubris on June 26, 2016, 09: PM
I'll start this post titled 'referendum' with a little teaser.
Anyone want to have a stab at explaining the significance of a number?
It's 2.017
Any ideas?
Well it's the frequency of posts/day from mk1
3K odd since his first in 2012
Quite an impressive achievement. Trouble is in life there is often no correlation between quantity and quality.
Since discovering Hartlepool Post and realising how great it was to keep up to speed within the context of it's remit (to play the honest broker on the parlous state of our town's dysfunctional leadership) I was always an avid reader and even sometime poster.
However, recently I have become less and less and less inclined to even bother opening the site and view the latest offerings as it now seems to be just a never-ending, boring, predictable loop of mk1s ramblings that have little merit, little logic and even less insight.
Back to this post's title..... - as it's the number one theme in UK at this time, why don't we have a referendum? Open to all members to vote on the renaming of the site to :- "Mk1 Post". .....because it might as well be!
Quote from: Hubris on November 21, 2016, 08: PM
For several months now, my initial passion and good-will towards this once fine medium called HTH has been inexorably ground into the dust by MKI's constant, tedious, ill-thought, monotonous, boring, one dimensional, obsessive, paranoid, illogical, adolescent rantings.
Who in Hartlepool honestly cares more about the shenanigans of some fringe political outfit than they do about:- the lack of jobs; crap transport connections; crumbling infrastructure; political pygmies lording it over us plebs; the blatant corruption; the bully's; the MRA; the Niramax; the mattress mountain; the Landing fiasco; the ignominy of a record number of write-ups in Private Eye etc etc ad nauseum.
If you must keep banging-on about UKIP, write to the Guardian, or some other that even cares.......we don't!!
It's certain that this post will be replied to with one of your much practiced and eloquent rebuttals.....but frankly......none of us care. Go and bang your drum somewhere else and stop clogging-up a HARTLEPOOL forum with stuff no-one is interested in.
Akarjl......keep it up!
SteveL....stop encouraging him.
MKi,.....over to you.
Quote from: Hubris on December 23, 2016, 02: AM
Admin.
Why do you permit the inclusions of tw😬ts like mk on the HF?
Does he add anything to the furtherance of developing Hartlepool as as town?
Can't you just shut him off? We are all sick of hearing his crap.
Put a filter on him! (Please!) ..and that's not trying to be anti-democratic......its just that Its tedious beyond reason to click on to Hp and see his latest diatribe.
Is mk actually a SCAB in troll mode?