I would normally have posted this on the FB page but since I was removed because I was argumentative, I was anti brexit and anti Tory I will post here, Yes the site is supposed to be about Hartlepool but as 70% voted leave I think it does concern Hartlepool.
A Tory with common sense! Tobias Ellwood suggests we rejoin the SM to ease the cost of living!
Brexit has now cost us ?130billion which is more than our entire contribution to the EU in 47 years!
Do you have references to support your claim? Remember there are three kinds of lies,there are Lies,there are Damned Lies and then there are Statistics.
Quote from: Topcat on June 03, 2022, 08: AM
Do you have references to support your claim? Remember there are three kinds of lies,there are Lies,there are Damned Lies and then there are Statistics.
Tobias Ellwood is making the claim not me, ?Google? his name and there are a few articles where he is quoting this.
Do you mean This Tobias Ellwood? He seems like a very trustworthy person
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3165210/I-never-expected-watching-pennies-age-Tory-MP-90-000-sparks-fury-claiming-needs-10-pay-rise.html
well worth the price .
Quote from: mr ben on June 04, 2022, 11: AM
well worth the price .
Can you explain the benefits of brexit apart from the current queues at Dover, having to apply for visas to travel to Europe and the U.K. fishermen being unable to sell their shellfish due to the amount of paperwork involved and veterinary inspection, Covid has buried brexit.
Finally a Tory you can agree with.
Our kids can't get a council house because all the Romanians and Poles have them....
Quote from: The Great Dictator on June 04, 2022, 02: PM
Finally a Tory you can agree with.
Our kids can't get a council house because all the Romanians and Poles have them....
No the majority retuned back home, the hospitality industry can?t fill the vacancies they left behind, there are no Council houses as councils don?t build them anymore like Hartlepool did in the 60s. They were sold of never to be replaced, builders won?t build affordable homes because there is no profit in them.
The minority returned home but now we have even bigger numbers of asylum seekers [2000 at the last count] that will be staying forever in our children's houses.
I don't think any leaver believed that the EU would go out of its way to make life and trade for Brits and Europeans to be so difficult. It seems that they want to PUNISH us for leaving with no thoughts of the negative effects on the people of the UK & the EU. A case of let's punish the UK to discourage any other nation considering leaving. Remember, Ireland had two referenda attempts on leaving before the third one went the way the EU wanted. I seem to remember a similar thing in Denmark. This is what happens when the ruling body, the European Commission, is not a democratic organisation so they can ignore the will of the people.
I have travelled alone, from the age of twelve to the EU, the world and behind the Iron Curtain far easier than I can now to the EU. I thought that the worse the EU could do was to revert to pre-Maastricht but that's all. Remember, the EU never allowed us free travel in the EU as we never joined Schengen.
I am not certain of where we go from here but I doubt very much that rejoining the the EU is the answer. We will not get the same deal as we had and we would likely have to join the EU and Schengen. I have never had any objection to joining the Common Market but I don't think the EU will allow that without accepting the EU political and financial rules.
Also to ditch the pound in favour of the euro?
Brexit was made hard by the goons we had delivering it ...
I would have liked to have post this on HP FB page to gauge the many brexiteers reactions, if any remainders have the courage to post it please do.
An extraordinary statistic via BBC World
at One today:
In 2008, when oil prices peaked at $144/
barrel, no one in the U.K. paid more than
120p per litre of petrol. Today, the oil
price is $113 but pump prices are 186p
litre. The crucial difference is the collapse
in sterling from $2 to $1.20 which
occurred as a direct result of BREXIT.
Oil is traded in US $
Welcome to the reality of BREXIT.
Erm ... not quite ... https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/gas-prices-us-pain-at-the-pump-no-match-for-europe/ar-AAYAU0k?ocid=uxbndlbing PS 2008 was the year of a financial crash - one root of which lay in the sub-prime lending by US organisations.
Nothing to do with Brexit, we have benefitted immensely from leaving EU.
When we left EU the pound was worth one euro, now its worth 1.23 euros.
Its history pal, just let it go or move to Bulgaria and live on nettle soup.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on June 22, 2022, 01: PM
Nothing to do with Brexit, we have benefitted immensely from leaving EU.
When we left EU the pound was worth one euro, now its worth 1.23 euros.
Its history pal, just let it go or move to Bulgaria and live on nettle soup.
Since the Brexit vote in 2016, the exchange rate of the pound against other leading currencies has fallen significantly. This seems to reflect a generally negative outlook among international investors for the UK?s economic prospects outside the European Union.
At the start of 2021, the pound was approximately 15% weaker relative to the euro than it was on the eve of the referendum on the UK?s membership of the European Union (EU) in June 2016. Sterling was also 20% weaker than it was when the EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015.
The pound has risen significantly against the Dollar and Euro thats why other countries are now voting to leave EU.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on June 24, 2022, 11: AM
The pound has risen significantly against the Dollar and Euro thats why other countries are now voting to leave EU.
The pound via the dollar, it was 1.39 June 2021 currently 1.22, I wouldn?t call that a significant rise, I couldn?t see why other countries would want to leave the EU ? The euro is currently at 1.16 falling from 1.20 in recent weeks.
The Chairman of Ryanair said this on the radio today, what a big mess brexit has turned out to be, Johnson is always going on about the number of job vacancies, it?s not because the U.K. economy is booming no the vacancies were created when the Europeans returned home and are apparently in no hurry to return.
Mr O'Leary said: "I can hire thousands of people in Portugal, in Italy, France, Germany at exactly the same wages that I'm paying in the UK and I just can't hire them in the UK at the moment.
"And we have this bizarre situation at the moment that in the UK I can get visas to bring Moroccans to come in and work as cabin crew. But I can't get visas for Portuguese or Italians or Slovakian youngsters. We just need a bit of more common sense and a practical approach to how we implement Brexit," he told BBC Radio 4.
Who gives a toss what O'Leary says or thinks ?
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 23, 2022, 04: PM
Who gives a toss what O'Leary says or thinks ?
O'Leary? ...
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 23, 2022, 04: PM
Who gives a toss what O'Leary says or thinks ?
When the CEO of Europes largest budget airline speaks maybe it is time for people start to listen to what he says ?
O'Leary is a rogue, a charlatan and non-British.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 24, 2022, 01: PM
O'Leary is a rogue, a charlatan and non-British.
A business man as I said is CEO of one of the biggest budget airlines in the world, his comments cannot be ignored.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on June 22, 2022, 01: PM
Nothing to do with Brexit, we have benefitted immensely from leaving EU.
When we left EU the pound was worth one euro, now its worth 1.23 euros.
Its history pal, just let it go or move to Bulgaria and live on nettle soup.
I think you need to check the exchange rates, it?s ?1.17, the pound has never been near ?1.23 for over 10 years,, send me a link where the 1 euro was 1 pound ?
I'll leave this instead, its a pic of a university lecturer from London whose house was raided in daylight by 4 Polish thugs using their EU access rights to this country.
Benefits, what are there, long queues at Ports/Airports because every passport now has be checked and stamped, staff shortages as the EU citizens bailed out because of the visa restrictions.
You need to keep up with exchange rates, the euro is ?1.19, the ? v the dollar has plummeted, ?119.
I think you need to stop reading the Murdoch press.
You have a problem with Bulgaria, I worked with Bulgarians not in Bulgaria or the U.K., very hard working people.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 26, 2022, 04: PM
I'll leave this instead, its a pic of a university lecturer from London whose house was raided in daylight by 4 Polish thugs using their EU access rights to this country.
So peoples houses don?t get broken into in Hartlepool, good and bad everywhere, you appear to be a very racist person.
Quote from: seaton on July 27, 2022, 11: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 26, 2022, 04: PM
I'll leave this instead, its a pic of a university lecturer from London whose house was raided in daylight by 4 Polish thugs using their EU access rights to this country.
So peoples houses don?t get broken into in Hartlepool, good and bad everywhere, you appear to be a very racist person.
Admin. Note: Pleas don't pull the 'racist' card on here. The Great Dictator simply observed where the perpetrators were originally based
Those who use the "race" card lack intelligence !
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 27, 2022, 12: PM
Those who use the "race" card lack intelligence !
You used it twice, telling some one to go and live in Bulgaria ant attack by Polish who ever.
I think you will find if you look that I never used the words Race or Racist at all.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on July 27, 2022, 03: PM
I think you will find if you look that I never used the words Race or Racist at all.
No one said you did.
Trying to discuss the pros and cons of the EU on the hallowed pages of the post forum, lol
Everything (or at least mostly everything) is the fault of the EU, even now we aren?t in it anymore. I doubt the current arrangement will stick thou, will take a while but the majority of remain supporting younger people will need to be won over by the arguments of brexit, or benefits. I haven?t seen that many benefits thus far but the died in the wool brexit types will blame everyone except brexit because they don?t have the capacity to admit that maybe it was a lie, or that maybe they got lied too.
That said, I will wait with baited breath to be proven wrong by. The good folk of Hartlepool cannot blame the EU now for their woes, will probably take another 10 years to see if they were right to have done so in the first place
Quote from: eddy on August 08, 2022, 06: PM
Trying to discuss the pros and cons of the EU on the hallowed pages of the post forum, lol
Everything (or at least mostly everything) is the fault of the EU, even now we aren?t in it anymore. I doubt the current arrangement will stick thou, will take a while but the majority of remain supporting younger people will need to be won over by the arguments of brexit, or benefits. I haven?t seen that many benefits thus far but the died in the wool brexit types will blame everyone except brexit because they don?t have the capacity to admit that maybe it was a lie, or that maybe they got lied too.
That said, I will wait with baited breath to be proven wrong by. The good folk of Hartlepool cannot blame the EU now for their woes, will probably take another 10 years to see if they were right to have done so in the first place
The main reason I got banned sine die from the Post FB page was because I was a remainer and criticised our MP who has disappeared of the face of the earth. Both sides told lies, Nigel Farage stood on the cosast saying we need to stop immigration unfortunately people thought he meant people crossing the channel in boats. We have fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields, shortage of labour in the hospitality industry, in the airline industry and the Care Home industry positions the British people don?t want to do but we had plenty of Europeans who did. Nothing is going to change unless the Brits want to take up the jobs previously done by the legal immigrants from the E.U.
@Seaton - have spoken with the Post's Facebook admin. team - you were NOT removed from that group for your views on Brexit. You were removed for constantly arguing with anyone who failed to share your views. Simple as that.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 09, 2022, 04: PM
@Seaton - have spoken with the Post's Facebook admin. team - you were NOT removed from that group for your views on Brexit. You were removed for constantly arguing with anyone who failed to share your views. Simple as that.
TBH I can view the Post FB on my colleagues devices so not bothered albeit I thought social media was about debate, not everyone has the same views, I don?t think that is being argumentative ?
At the end of the day the admin team did not even have the courtesy to tell me I was blocked and why, at least if FB block or suspend you they tell you why, I have never known any one get a life time ban.
Quote from: seaton on August 10, 2022, 06: AM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 09, 2022, 04: PM
@Seaton - have spoken with the Post's Facebook admin. team - you were NOT removed from that group for your views on Brexit. You were removed for constantly arguing with anyone who failed to share your views. Simple as that.
TBH I can view the Post FB on my colleagues devices so not bothered albeit I thought social media was about debate, not everyone has the same views, I don?t think that is being argumentative ?
At the end of the day the admin team did not even have the courtesy to tell me I was blocked and why, at least if FB block or suspend you they tell you why, I have never known any one get a life time ban.
Social media 2020's edition: if you are aligned with the vast majority of the group members then anything you say no matter how argumentative is deemed proper debate, if however you are not aligned with them then any debate is seen as argumentative and you are out. Bias is alive and well in all groups where they don't want to be reminded how they may have made a wrong decision or been embarrassed by thoses decisions coming back to bite them on their proverbial ar5e5.
I must have some friends as my post has had over a 1000 views.
I have had contact from a Norwegian Journalist, she had read my previous comments about Brexit on FB, she asked me if I had voted Leave and now regretted it. She would like to meet and interview people from Hartlepool who voted Leave and now regret it.
I am communicating through Messenger with her, she has a FB page but it?s in Norwegian unfortunately.
Interesting listen,
https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y
This fella talks a lot of sense,
https://youtu.be/M2I8cYSERxU
Another one for all the Brexiteer,
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1588492211162857473?s=61&t=qx99Ew6yNgPR8c27s6URKg