The word is the local Labour Group has now broken out into all-out war. Or rather an even BIGGER all-out war than was already going on. A BBC journalist is apparently shortly going to break a story leaked to him by a member of the Labour Group about ANOTHER member of the Labour Group.
Many people in the civic and various other followers of the Hartlepool political scene now know the story. We know the accusation made, the person involved and we know who leaked the story to the BBC.
I'm not going to break it before the BBC but when it makes the press it'll be obvious who leaked it and why.
The problem is of course, is if you leak damaging information you think you have on somebody to the press, it's probably safe to assume they'll retaliate if they have any dirt on you.
I wonder if the person at the centre of the story has any dirt he (or she) could fire back? LOL.
I've spoken on this forum before about 'crab mentality'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality)
You'll shortly see exactly what i meant . . .
I wonder if the BBC are going to cover the ex PHF leaders (alleged)indecent assault charge.
Quote from: pensionater on November 14, 2018, 02: PM
I wonder if the BBC are going to cover the ex PHF leaders (alleged)indecent assault charge.
What happened to being innocent until proven guilty.....?
QuoteI wonder if the BBC are going to cover the ex PHF leaders (alleged)indecent assault charge.
I imagine they will in the fullness of time. It's already been in the local press.
Will we be back on the front page of the National press?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034489/Mayor-sacked-funeral-fib-Shameless-Hartlepool-council-leader-given-compassionate-leave-visited-warship-instead.html
It's possible, although with out the sex/stupidity element of the story it'll more likely stay regional i'd say.
Somebody please pm me . The suspense is killing me :)
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 14, 2018, 04: PM
Somebody please pm me . The suspense is killing me :)
Personally,, I'm quite content to just sit back and watch the inevitable crumble happen in real time
Quote from: pensionater on November 14, 2018, 02: PM
I wonder if the BBC are going to cover the ex PHF leaders (alleged)indecent assault charge.
It appears you are following no it fir them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06p34fh (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06p34fh)
Skip this forward to 3.37.06
There's a clear reference to what I'm referring to.
However, for NOW at least moves have been made to kill the story.
Expenses?
I thought they ended as an effort to make the 31% rise more palatable.
The BBC need to contact Cllr Carl Richardson. I'm sure have all the information on his Stasi based.
Was this nation/regional BBC or just local radio?
It was BBC Tees. There's a link to it a few posts back. There's been further developments so it might take a day or two for the story to break. The BBC may even opt not to break it at all. Which would probably upset the person who intentionally leaked it.
Sorry for the poor previous posting, I'm sure Carl will have all the historic scandal on enough members to make this very interesting.
I might be wise to avoid Victoria Road in the area of the Civic over the next few days............
There is the likelihood of a Giant S**t Storm covering the whole area.
The initial story leaked to the BBC is widely known now. They'll need to make a decision to run with it or call it off. My understanding is HBC could kill the story in an instant and fully discredit the main point the story 'reveals'.
However, as we known, the Chief Executive Officer does NOT call the shots within HBC. My understanding is HBC will NOT do what needs to be done to kill the story. Instead, it will essentially be allowed to make it into the press in order to discredit the person at the centre of it.
So whether there's any truth in the story or not appears to be irrelevant. The person who leaked it will have achieved their objective if it runs.
So its a SCAB smear aimed against the new mob.
It'll get out one way or another. These things tend to.
Quote from: mk1 on November 15, 2018, 11: AM
So its a SCAB smear aimed against the new mob.
Does any one have a link to see whats going on ?
I dare say that quite a few HCLP members / councillors will be busy with a grindstone at the moment................sharpening the knives, as there will be lots of backstabbing for a while yet!
Quote from: DRiddle on November 15, 2018, 05: AM
It was BBC Tees. There's a link to it a few posts back. There's been further developments so it might take a day or two for the story to break. The BBC may even opt not to break it at all. Which would probably upset the person who intentionally leaked it.
Hopefully Tees will do a bit of investgave journalism too hear both sides of the story.too see what occurred initially.
The suspense is killing me . Can somebody please direct me towards the scandal .
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 15, 2018, 01: PM
The suspense is killing me . Can somebody please direct me towards the scandal .
The hope is the target of the SCAB smear will respond in kind with some dirt on them. Might I suggest a leaking of the results of the internal Labour Party Report about SAB plying under-age Labour Youth Members with drink?
I believe the victim is known to be an admirer of the J Edgar Hoover way of doing things (no not the wearing women's clothes bit) and has kept a copious amount of documentation on his colleagues failings over the years which he uses to ward off any moves against him. LBJ believed it was best to keep such a man 'inside the tent peeing out than outside the tent peeing in'. Lets hope he now starts peeing in!
It's all making sense now .
thanks
I wonder if Carl's book will fall open on the pages relating to 'the Bournemouth incident'.
You have to laugh though don't you? An attempt to smear a political rival (allegedly) bang smack in the middle of what looks like being the biggest national political news story of the year. What a calamity.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on November 15, 2018, 04: PM
I wonder if Carl's book will fall open on the pages relating to 'the Bournemouth incident'.
You mean the disgusting false accusation that, whilst on a Council funded jolly in Bournemouth The SCABs decided to sample the local nightlife. They met lots of new friends and when CAB turned his back SAB vanished into the crowd of recent youthful acquaintances. CAB searched high and low but no sign of the man-mountain anywhere and was forced to retire to the Hotel on his own. As dawn was breaking SAB stumbled back to the hotel to find CAB sitting up waiting for him in a state of great emotional strain. Shrieks of '
where the feck have you been' mingled with wails of
'what time do you call this'. Plaintive cries of '
I knew you were up to something with that Gary Barlow lookalike' soon gave way to the sound of splintering furniture and falling curtain rails. Loud thuds could be heard over high-pitched shrieks-later inspection revealed large potato-head sized depressions were found in various partition walls. Alarmed by the commotion and thinking a herd of migrating wildebeest had taken up winter quarters the staff rushed to the room to find two men furiously pulling each others hair and trading insults like
'I ruined my eyes with botox trying to look good for you/ I lost 15 stone and this is all the thanks I get' ' were rolling about on the floor. After seperation and handbags had been safely removed the room was found to be badly damaged. The Manager started to phone the Police and was only dissuaded from following this course of action by a hefty compensation payment by Hartlepool's leading citizens. They were then ushered to the door with a lifetime ban ringing in their ears.
You means that entirely fictitious Bournemouth Incident that Carl recounts every time he has 10 pints under his belt?
Looks like it's a long night in committee room B. Standing room only, more packed the Theresa May's press conference. It started at 4.30pm.
Looks like there's a lot to discuss.
Agenda Item one I'm told is 'Who keeps leaking everything to David Riddle?' ;)
Keep an eye on who's playing on their phone Christopher . . .
Quote from: DRiddle on November 15, 2018, 06: PM
Looks like it's a long night in committee room B. Standing room only, more packed the Theresa May's press conference. It started at 4.30pm.
Looks like there's a lot to discuss.
Agenda Item one I'm told is 'Who keeps leaking everything to David Riddle?' ;)
Keep an eye on who's playing on their phone Christopher . . .
Love it :)
Let's hope that they are discussing the resignation of our honourable leader
'Honourable' or horrible?
My understanding was there was virtually ZERO reference to the issue at last nights Labour group meeting. I'm told Carl attempted to bring it up but was shut down.
I'm told the likelihood is BBC Tees will be running the story. The word on the HBC jungle drums is any initial information which could have caused the story to be killed off has been retracted and/or not supplied.
The story, if it does run, will cause further damage to the reputation of the council overall and in particular one individual.
If true, that tells you a lot about certain people. Sources suggest there is documented information within the walls of HBC which would kill off the story and stop the damage to the person and the council overall.
However, somebody seems unwilling or unable to supply the BBC with the evidence to exonerate the person at the centre of the story.
In short, someone within HBC WANTS the story to run, even though they know it will damage the reputation of an individual, a political party and the council as a whole.
and we all know who has form for pulling a stunt like that. . .
Maybe they can't supply the information because there is none
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 15, 2018, 07: PM
Let's hope that they are discussing the resignation of our honourable leader
I hope the fool stays for the duration . Thanks to him the local electorate have finally woken up and realised the CLP is not for the common work force . And you shouldn't vote one party just because their parents did and their parent's parents.
Remember when Brash had CAB on the ropes in council drawing attention to the money Manor Residents Association/Who Cares North East has been funded over the years? Over a million quid?
Remember what CAB did? He re-raised the issue of Pamela Hargreaves and contract procurement. https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/contracts-probe-is-a-vendetta-says-councillor-1-5908602 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/contracts-probe-is-a-vendetta-says-councillor-1-5908602)
At the time, everyone knew it was firstly vindictive and personal, and secondly a diversion tactic because the brown stuff was still hitting the fan regarding Wilcox.
Within 3 weeks, Councillor Hargreaves was cleared of all wrong doing. https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-councillor-cleared-over-contract-claims-1-5969900 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-councillor-cleared-over-contract-claims-1-5969900)
However, CAB had achieved his main objected of trying to discredit her.
It was fairly clear at the time it was a smear.
My guess is this story, alluded to in my opening post, is very likely to end the same way. I'll bet if the story breaks the person at the centre of it will be smeared, but ultimately found to have broken no rules.
Although to be honest, i actually don't care if i'm proven wrong. This is a 'red on red' issue. Labour cannot do anything other than take another step closer to destroying themselves with this one.
An alternative explanation from others within HBC seems to be that HBC has tried to supply the BBC reporter with the required information which would kill of the story and show it to be 'fake news'.... however, it's not that they WON'T provide it, it seems to be that they CAN'T provide it.
If that is the case, then it would seem that there may well be something in the story after all.
Basically, there's so much information and potential misinformation coming out of HBC at present that it's very hard to actually establish the truth.
I think i'll just sit back and watch what happens on this one. Both versions of what is supposed to have happened cannot obviously both be true.
Bunch of snakes the lot of them.
What is certain is the BBC have a story. It was fed to them directly and it looks like it'll come out soon.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 16, 2018, 05: PM
An alterdnative explanation from others within HBC seems to be that HBC has tried to supply the BBC reporter with the required information which would kill of the story and show it to be 'fake news'.... however, it's not that they WON'T provide it, it seems to be that they CAN'T provide it.
If that is the case, then it would seem that there may well be something in the story after all.
Basically, there's so much information and potential misinformation coming out of HBC at present that it's very hard to actually establish the truth.
I think i'll just sit back and watch what happens on this one. Both versions of what is supposed to have happened cannot obviously both be true.
Bunch of snakes the lot of them.
What is certain is the BBC have a story. It was fed to them directly and it looks like it'll come out soon.
You really have to wonder just who is actually in control of HBC....At the present time HBC are operating like Fred Karno's Army........
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karno
Only in Hartlepool and Only Under a Labour Council
Quote from: fred c on November 16, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 16, 2018, 05: PM
An alterdnative explanation from others within HBC seems to be that HBC has tried to supply the BBC reporter with the required information which would kill of the story and show it to be 'fake news'.... however, it's not that they WON'T provide it, it seems to be that they CAN'T provide it.
If that is the case, then it would seem that there may well be something in the story after all.
Basically, there's so much information and potential misinformation coming out of HBC at present that it's very hard to actually establish the truth.
I think i'll just sit back and watch what happens on this one. Both versions of what is supposed to have happened cannot obviously both be true.
Bunch of snakes the lot of them.
What is certain is the BBC have a story. It was fed to them directly and it looks like it'll come out soon.
You really have to wonder just who is actually in control of HBC....At the present time HBC are operating like Fred Karno's Army........
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Karno
Only in Hartlepool and Only Under a Labour Council
The fact that the Akers-Belchers picked the current CEO even when one of them was supposed to be at a disciplinary shows who is really in charge of hbc
Quote from: DRiddle on November 16, 2018, 04: PM
Remember when Brash had CAB on the ropes in council drawing attention to the money Manor Residents Association/Who Cares North East has been funded over the years? Over a million quid?
Remember what CAB did? He re-raised the issue of Pamela Hargreaves and contract procurement. https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/contracts-probe-is-a-vendetta-says-councillor-1-5908602 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/contracts-probe-is-a-vendetta-says-councillor-1-5908602)
At the time, everyone knew it was firstly vindictive and personal, and secondly a diversion tactic because the brown stuff was still hitting the fan regarding Wilcox.
Within 3 weeks, Councillor Hargreaves was cleared of all wrong doing. https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-councillor-cleared-over-contract-claims-1-5969900 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/hartlepool-councillor-cleared-over-contract-claims-1-5969900)
However, CAB had achieved his main objected of trying to discredit her.
It was fairly clear at the time it was a smear.
My guess is this story, alluded to in my opening post, is very likely to end the same way. I'll bet if the story breaks the person at the centre of it will be smeared, but ultimately found to have broken no rules.
Although to be honest, i actually don't care if i'm proven wrong. This is a 'red on red' issue. Labour cannot do anything other than take another step closer to destroying themselves with this one.
this is what cab does TRIES to dig dirt up on whoever is trying to get the truth out if its a council employee/officer they are slammed with a gagging order well lets see what happens when he is found out that he was complicit with others and with what HAS been going on with his clique, sab, cranney, james, barclay, ect ect.
Quote from: jawsbbc on November 17, 2018, 05: PM
this is what cab does TRIES to dig dirt up on whoever is trying to get the truth out if its a council employee/officer they are slammed with a gagging order
well lets see what happens when he is found out that he was complicit with others and with what HAS been going on with his clique, sab, cranney, james, barclay, ect ect.[/quote]
He'll blame someone else! The Tory Government, the Hartlepool Independents, homophobes, his hairdresser :o, in fact ANYONE...........watch out Stevie, you're not safe!
I think he's realised he can see see the rail track is running out and the brakes are't working?
Result, train crash, and all the noise is the sound off the whistle being pulled to lose steam, but this thing has it's own momentum now.
Hit the buffers time.
Might be worth listening to BBC Radio Tees between 4 and 6 this afternoon ....
please elaborate . :)
Word has it that Gary Philipson's 'Drive' programme may contain something of interest to those who watch HBC & its shenanigans.
I listen to the show just CAB trying to deflect media attention away from his vote of no confidence but failing miserably