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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 06: PM

Title: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 06: PM
Two of whom caught my attention and set me thinking.

The candidate for the Northern Independence or whatever it's called, the name escapes me is an ex Labour MP. Is she still a Party member?

The Women's Equality Party I am lead to understand from several people they  have offered to support the Labour Party candidate if the Labour Party meets some of their demands.
Can anyone confirm this as true?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: diSme on April 14, 2021, 06: PM
Sorry, I don't know the answer to the question you posed IK, so I guess I'm going a little off topic here, as I'm more concerned that out of those 16 candidates, there's only one (that I am aware of) that actually lives in the town, and so far I have seen nothing that particularly enamours me with her...

Living in the town, or at least being from the town is something that I consider as being a priority prerequisite for candidates seeking my vote.

Could we make this thread a place to discuss the pros and cons of the individual candidates?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
I would like to hope so.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 06: PM
Two of whom caught my attention and set me thinking.

The candidate for the Northern Independence or whatever it's called, the name escapes me is an ex Labour MP. Is she still a Party member?

The Women's Equality Party I am lead to understand from several people they  have offered to support the Labour Party candidate if the Labour Party meets some of their demands.
Can anyone confirm this as true?

The answer to your second question seems to be 'yes'.

The first question's best explained via this link.  https://order-order.com/2021/03/29/battle-of-the-labour-losers/
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
If the answer to the second question is yes, why then wasn't the option offered to all Parties, surely if they're also willing to accede to their demands what's the problem?
Why was the offer only made to one Party. I think it tells me all I need to know.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
A bit more of the jigsaw? https://skwawkbox.org/2021/04/13/calling-all-centrists-fancy-standing-in-for-labour-by-election-candidate-in-hustings-debate/?fbclid=IwAR3TDT2FsfouvUvAG34p-hk4glcK7ym4zbhjMkIdxdVfg7cszvhFzauhepw
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
She'll probably debate with the empty chair and the chair will win.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
Is it true the party was founded in Brighton...... how far North is Brighton.?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
Is it true the party was founded in Brighton...... how far North is Brighton.?
Just been informed the Northern Independence Party was founded 21October 2020 in Brighton by a lecturer at the University of Sussex, former Labour activist .
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 07: PM
Is it true the party was founded in Brighton...... how far North is Brighton.?

Since they didn't register with the Electoral Commission in time, the party's theoretical only - she's having to stand as an independent. But ... I've heard that the far left's endorsing her claiming that they're no longer represented by Starmer's Labour. Could this be a symbol of a deeply fragmented - if not splintered - political party?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 08: PM
We can only live in hope as the Horny handed sons of the soil of Hampstead/Islington v the horny handed sons of the campus open hostilities. What happened to the working class?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 14, 2021, 08: PM
We can only live in hope as the Horny handed sons of the soil of Hampstead/Islington v the horny handed sons of the campus open hostilities. What happened to the working class?

Currently on furlough?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: diSme on April 14, 2021, 08: PM
I don't suppose anyone has a list or a link to a list of the candidates do they? With basic information about who they are, who they represent, where they live etc.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 08: PM
The format of the forum doesn't allow PDF files - but there's a saved announcement with all the bumf available (below the one about councillor nominations) at the top of our Facebook group which should be visible to all. 
                                                                                           
               https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: diSme on April 14, 2021, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 08: PM
The format of the forum doesn't allow PDF files - but there's a saved announcement with all the bumf available (below the one about councillor nominations) at the top of our Facebook group which should be visible to all. 
                                                                                           
               https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822

Cheers, but it shows as content unavailable. I suspect a FB account is needed to view it.

I'll ask the wife to check it out for me. She's on facetube  ;)
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 14, 2021, 09: PM
Not quite sure of the source but worth a peek.


https://www.mailplus.co.uk/tv/the-michael-crick-report/64502/keir-and-loathing-in-hartlepool-can-starmer-keep-the-last-red-wall-stronghold-standing                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: akarjl2 on April 15, 2021, 06: AM
Quote from: diSme on April 14, 2021, 06: PM
Could we make this thread a place to discuss the pros and cons of the individual candidates?

Great idea- seconded.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Topcat on April 15, 2021, 08: AM
I noticed that Mk1 seems to be refreshingly absent from this thread, it's nice to see a sensible discussion without his incessant trawling through past posts to try to belittle any posters comments.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 15, 2021, 11: AM
The profusion of candidates always makes you a tad suspicious. It was to be expected, given the circumstances, but is it only me who sees local independents as either an ego trip or novelty act, because unless you have a good local topic with public support you're an irrelevance and sometimes a vote splitting irritant. Some of the so called  Party  candidates and their Party's, have more in common with the Magic Roundabout than anything Hartlepool needs. Finally, the one shot causes, why not try campaigning, because you'd do more good for your cause that way.... or is it just another tiresome plot to get publicity for the cause in question.
The main candidates...
The Tories made a gaffe selecting their candidate, but from what I've heard of her she tells it as it is.
Labour have brought in a political butterfly, he's bigged himself up, but if he loses, will he be staying around till the next election or like the butterfly, flitting off to pastures new and the next opportunity.
Excessive use of the word 'our' does tend to grate.
The Lib Dem's ...... they've lost the plot in my humble opinion, they can just carry on dancing around the Maypole.
Then there's the hopefuls..... ah well if at first you don't succeed, give up.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: akarjl2 on April 15, 2021, 02: PM
Quote from: Topcat on April 15, 2021, 08: AM
I noticed that Mk1 seems to be refreshingly absent from this thread, it's nice to see a sensible discussion without his incessant trawling through past posts to try to belittle any posters comments.

Post of the year.......
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
When does pre-mod become 'not allowed to post anything'?
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
When does pre-mod become 'not allowed to post anything'?

Very droll. You delete 8 posts and let this one through. 
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
All good things come to an end.😱😱😱😱
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: admin on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
When does pre-mod become 'not allowed to post anything'?

Very droll. You delete 8 posts and let this one through.

Who's counting? ...

Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: admin on April 15, 2021, 06: PM


Who's counting? ...
I am. I want to be ready when it is claimed   simple statements of fact are in some way against board rules
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 15, 2021, 07: PM
It's not a court of law, it's a message board.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 15, 2021, 07: PM
Anyway - back to the subject in question - thoughts on this article which was shared to the Post's Facebook group?

https://novaramedia.com/2021/04/15/labour-is-running-a-saudi-apologist-in-hartlepool-and-it-should-be-a-scandal/?fbclid=IwAR19FNjaONU0GIDjmfPZX4bEsNrQESaQMQKL_P6jcLRHVNb0B7t-7DEhSMs
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 15, 2021, 08: PM
Oh dear, oh dear, ooooooh dear.
Maybe some gormless optimist can put a positive spin on it.
I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 15, 2021, 08: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 15, 2021, 08: PM
Oh dear, oh dear, ooooooh dear.
Maybe some gormless optimist can put a positive spin on it.
I won't hold my breath.

Not going to be easy - a second opinion's in this (more mainstream) link.
                                                                                   
                                                                               
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hartlepool-by-election-paul-williams-saudi-arabia-b1819597.html?fbclid=IwAR0OjCpMy55PFmuDU5CI_ldSUbjq7VmrRErJ4m9o71HFdcnpJ06rvUZM6gw
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: diSme on April 15, 2021, 10: PM
I personally am unable to see anything positive about Dr Paul.

I do find it very interesting that he popped up up in the media playing the good guy quite a while before Hill declared his resignation....
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: akarjl2 on April 16, 2021, 06: AM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
When does pre-mod become 'not allowed to post anything'?

Very droll. You delete 8 posts and let this one through.

I wonder why.....

The fact you ARE on premod appears to have resulted in a range of people returning and refreshingly actually discussing what is happening in Hartlepool .

Why don't you set up your own blog and talk away to yourself there to your hearts content?

I have just checked......sittingonthefence.uk is available for .99 p a year.
Title: Re: 16 Candidates apparently.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 16, 2021, 08: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 16, 2021, 06: AM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 15, 2021, 06: PM
When does pre-mod become 'not allowed to post anything'?

Very droll. You delete 8 posts and let this one through.

Why don't you set up your own blog and talk away to yourself there to your hearts content?


He'd end up putting himself on pre-mod after disagreeing with himself and accusing himself of etc, etc, etc,......... y'know how it goes.