Absolutely sums up the biggest problem with getting shot of the corruption at the top level of HBC. Mildly amusing as it is, its chief premise is the side-splitting conceit that our council are acting like Tories.
And therein lies the problem in trying to remove a Labour council in a Labour town. The Labour council here couldn't get any more 'Labour' if it tried, it's in power because of generations of drones blindly voting for anything wearing a red rosette, despite the horrendous track record of the Party when in government and the complete lack of assistance given to the town from their 'party'. I genuinely believe that there is little place for party dogma at local level, and these clowns carving up our town (the 'Mob') illustrate this more clearly with every day that passes.
Still tho, the subconscious fallback position is that if the ruling Labour group are mired in nepotism, embezzlement and any other scam they can get away with, they're acting like Tories. No, they aren't. They're acting like arrogant, corrupt, complacent career politicians who are determined to shaft the town of Hartlepool for everything they can get their grubby paws on. Dividing the opposition by drawing irrelevant comparisons just plays into their hands.
Absolutely spot on Returntozenda, another interesting view might be many on this forum don`t really want rid of Labour in the town they rather like it as it is they would just like to get rid of CAB & SAB then everthing will be ok, you know keep the red flag flying here. They tried 3 times to get rid of SAB as mayor and he left with his integrity intact, there has got to be a better way, there is a better way. Lord Elpus
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 14, 2016, 09: PM
there has got to be a better way, there is a better way.
Would that be the only Party where the leader refuses point blank to release his tax returns?
The man who was caught out a few years back hiding his money abroad in his brothers name?
That kind of integrity?
He may have left with his position as Mayor intact but in no way did he leave with any form of integrity whatsoever. ::)
Infact I disagree with everything you have said above... and that is me being very polite. Remind me... What part did you play in trying to get rid of SAB?
As a user of this forum i have to say, BOT's comments are more than a little irritating, I have attended enough council meetings in the last few years to be fully conversant with the lack of any & I mean any, meaningful contribution from the 2 ukip councillors.
BOT really is deluded if he believes users of this forum are consumed by the desire to get rid of the SCABS, he has obviously forgotten the part this forum & many of its users played in the demise of Manor Residents, he also seems to have forgotten the work exposing many of the extravagant money wasting visions.
Would he care to list the accomplishments of UKIP in the local political issues of Hartlepool, I await with interest his detailed accounts of the Big Tin Shed, The Cafe in the Crem, Andersons Bakery, Manor House West, The Mattress Mountain & many more.
BOT.... remind us all again how hard you tried to get rid of SAB ? remind us how many motions you proposed against his chairing of council meetings & his inconsistencies during those meetings ?
Did ukip councillors propose sanctions against the behaviour of LabMob councillors during meetings ?
Clue us all up m8, gives us reasons to support ukip in May, list your manifesto points openly on this forum, persuade us to vote ukip in May.
What does ukip intend to do to improve the town & the lot of its council tax payers.... Cmon tell us.
I hope to God that nobody interpreted my initial post as somehow pro UKIP. It was purposefully apolitical. Not sure how the thread got hijacked.
ReturntoZenda...... My apologies, your post was extremely well balanced, it certainly didn`t come across as a UKIP eulogy.
My post wasn`t intended to be as anti UKIP as it came out, my intention was to point out the work done by The Post over the years, various users have had an input in their own little way, but,The Post has highlighted many of the problems faced by the town & on a number of occasions changed things for the better.
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 14, 2016, 09: PM
Absolutely spot on Returntozenda, another interesting view might be many on this forum don`t really want rid of Labour in the town they rather like it as it is they would just like to get rid of CAB & SAB then everthing will be ok, you know keep the red flag flying here. They tried 3 times to get rid of SAB as mayor and he left with his integrity intact, there has got to be a better way, there is a better way. Lord Elpus
Truth is Tom, you can't point to anything that suggests in any way that UKIP is what you constantly claim - the answer to all things. That claim seems to be the only tune that you know how to whistle but when you're asked to back it up with some evidence of what you have achieved in the last two years you just ignore it.
I don't know the UKIP people well enough to know whether or not they are all like you and George but I hope not, because for two years you've both resembled a pair of rabbits caught in the path of an oncoming juggernaut.
Someone like Eric or Shane could actually make a useful contribution in the council chamber but when I look at you two and that nutter you put up in Seaton last year it's obvious that UKIP are prepared to stick a purple rosette on anything that moves.
UKIP are prepared to stick a purple rosette on anything that moves.
...I don't think they are particular about the moves bit.
Quote from: Land Phil on April 15, 2016, 11: AM
UKIP are prepared to stick a purple rosette on anything that moves.
...I don't think they are particular about the moves bit.
Evelyn Leck is the UKIP Candidate in Burn Valley, says it all.
Being a simpleton did not stop Dumbo getting elected and SAB is clearly a man of very limited intellect. Perhaps it is UKIP policy to pick the least articulate for office. It must be a rule because most UKIP candidates are chosen from the group on the left of the IQ bell-curve!
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Evelyn Leck is the UKIP Candidate in Burn Valley, says it all.
Exactly!
I live in the Burn Valley Ward, my choices are
Dave Hunter (Labour)
Evelyn Leck (UKIP)
Andrew Martin-Wells (Cons)
Looks like i have no option other than a spoiled vote.
This is all just more evidence that Councillors should have to pass a test or some sort of application process before being allowed to be nominated for election. We already have enough useless and incompetent 'Councillors' as it is without adding anymore to the mix.
I remember at a recent council meeting there was a debate (kind of) going on. I think it might have been about debating the council's position on the EU. When challenged about something that he had said or done (I can't remember what exactly), George piped up and said something like "I am 74 you know". :o Oh well that's OK ::) (Can't remember if he actually said 73 or 74 but you get my point)
Quote from: Devils advocate on April 15, 2016, 05: PM
Looks like i have no option other than a spoiled vote.
I suspect there might be a few of those. Will be interesting to see how many there actually are on May 5th.
It's just a reflection of how desperate the situation Hartlepool has become. The whole situation has just prevented good people who would make good Councillors from standing. I understand why the choices are limited but would it really have killed UKIP to back off in one or two wards. Just proves they don't give a damn about the town (like they claim).
This election is a watershed moment for UKIP in Hartlepool in many ways. Regarding the election itself, its clear UKIP have ended up with what's likely to be the best opportunity they'll ever have in 9 of the 11 wards.
The only way the situation could have been BETTER for them would be complete lack of Conservative and independent candidates.
But that was never going to happen.
But look at what they have got right there in front of them, it's an 'open goal'.
(1) There are no liberal democrat candidates
(2) There are no BNP (which will mean the UKIP vote won't be diluted ::) )
(3) Many of the candidates in 'royal blue' wont be actively campaigning. 8 of the 11 I'd say.
(4) PHF have scaled back their campaign THIS year.
(5) The Green's only feature minimally and they'll see how hard it is to gain votes in a LOCAL election with no general election to help them.
(6) Of the 2 or 3 independents across the ballot slips ALL 3 have experienced defeat in the ward they're trying to win in recent years (Although KF has also tasted victory to his credit).
and, most importantly of all, we're a few weeks a way from UKIP's holy grail of the EU referendum.
Every single poll I've seen on local social media regarding the EU seems to suggest there's a very strong, vocal, large 'LEAVE' demographic in Hartlepool. That's not to say there aren't plenty of people in the 'STAY IN' camp, but it's been clear for a few years now that there is a UKIP 'presence' in Hartlepool.
It would be nice if that 'presence' could extend to UKIP's sitting councillors, but still, maybe they're just saving their voices for an important issue.... like a combined authority, the town plan, parking charges, zero hours contracts, council tax rises, education, regeneration, finance, the hospital.... you know, something important might crop up that they can get their teeth stuck into.
One things for sure, it's going to be an interesting night in Mill House in a few weeks.
I hope Richard Moss from Sunday Politics North East brings a microphone powerful enough to pick up the sound of a twitching sphincter.
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A microphone may not be needed, i can think of a couple of sphincters that will be Farting like a Stores Horse.
Make no bones about it, if CAB, SAB and Wells do get booted out by the electorate there'll be a few Officers who'll be as happy as we will, if not more.
In private conversations various Officers have told me exactly what they think of the SCAB's, Wells, Mad Dog, Cranney and Richardson.
Trouble is the way the Labour Group work the SCAB's will still be going to all Labour Group meetings and trying to influence what happens within the Council.
I hope they get on the doorstep as much as possible between now and the 5th May to let people see them face to face.
LE..... as a matter of curiosity, if any or hopefully all of them get turfed out in May, would their identification for council offices be withdrawn, or would they still be able to swan around the civic as they do now. ?
Quote from: fred c on April 16, 2016, 02: PM
LE..... as a matter of curiosity, if any or hopefully all of them get turfed out in May, would their identification for council offices be withdrawn, or would they still be able to swan around the civic as they do now. ?
In theory they have no access, in reality as members of the Labour Group (Observers) they would be in as guests of standing Labour Councillors (Mad Dog, Richardson).
Hopefully they won't have time to be loitering around the civic. They would be too busy signing on at the Jobcentre and looking for some employer crazy enough to give them a proper job.
Oh I forgot CAB doesn't need a job, he's already sorted his 'company' out a nice new Healthwatch contract. No doubt he will find a job for 'handsome ste' too. ::)
Quote from: Lord Elpus on April 16, 2016, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c on April 16, 2016, 02: PM
LE..... as a matter of curiosity, if any or hopefully all of them get turfed out in May, would their identification for council offices be withdrawn, or would they still be able to swan around the civic as they do now. ?
In theory they have no access, in reality as members of the Labour Group (Observers) they would be in as guests of standing Labour Councillors (Mad Dog, Richardson).
Surely if such a thing happened, the title of mere ' observer' would be demeaning and disrespectful to such political titans. Why not an alternative term more befitting their status, what about ' Eternal Sun God of Wisdom' or some other equally respectful term.
A question for the forum, with respect to UKIP!
If the UK votes to leave the EU, it will be job done for the party, but where does it go from there?
If the UK votes to stay in the EU, there is not going to be a re-run of the process anytime soon, so objective permanently out of reach, where does it go from their?
I am fairly neutral on UKIP nationally, like Jeremy Corbin, I like some of what they say, but really object to other positions, but at local level what can they do or achieve, their goals as a party are not aimed at local politics.
Maybe I am missing the point?
Quote from: Shepherd on April 18, 2016, 01: PM
A question for the forum, with respect to UKIP!
If the UK votes to leave the EU, it will be job done for the party, but where does it go from there?
If the UK votes to stay in the EU, there is not going to be a re-run of the process anytime soon, so objective permanently out of reach, where does it go from their?
I am fairly neutral on UKIP nationally, like Jeremy Corbin, I like some of what they say, but really object to other positions, but at local level what can they do or achieve, their goals as a party are not aimed at local politics.
Maybe I am missing the point?
Nope. I'd say you were spot on.
Quote from: Shepherd on April 18, 2016, 01: PM
A question for the forum, with respect to UKIP!
If the UK votes to leave the EU, it will be job done for the party, but where does it go from there?
I understand there is conflict inside UKIP over this very question. Farage wants to relaunch UKIP as an 'Internet' Party where policy is formed by the number of emails they recieve on any given subject. Farage has seen the rise of Trump other looney tunes outfits and sees this as a chance for him to seize back the party as his own personal property. After his '
I resign/I refuse to accept my resignation ' fiasco his wings were clipped and some of his powers taken away. He sees this as a way of getting rid of the checks and blalances and taking back complete control of UKIP. Watch for the announcement to rebuild Hadrians wall to the Scots out!
The UKIP leader in Wales was on the telly at the weekend making a complete ar*se of himself by declaring Climate Change is not man made.
Interesting post mk1. The mind simply boggles at the sort of emails the party head office will receive from its membership if it adopts a "we will campaign on what you tell us" basis.
Can you imagine it, can you just imagine what sort of people and ideas will pop up if you just open the door and invite them in? For certain every crazy flat earther and creationist with an internet connection will be pitching their beliefs and electronically howling at the moon. It will make for one hell of a manifesto but how would you sell it. From the reintroduction of the death penalty as a certainty (it might be a bit strict for littering, but hell, we run a tight ship) to the end of universal emancipation, because those women want to vote anyway!!!!.... it will all be there and it will drip with intolerance!
Quote from: Shepherd on April 18, 2016, 01: PM
A question for the forum, with respect to UKIP!
If the UK votes to leave the EU, it will be job done for the party, but where does it go from there?
If the UK votes to stay in the EU, there is not going to be a re-run of the process anytime soon, so objective permanently out of reach, where does it go from their?
I am fairly neutral on UKIP nationally, like Jeremy Corbin, I like some of what they say, but really object to other positions, but at local level what can they do or achieve, their goals as a party are not aimed at local politics.
Maybe I am missing the point?
It will be similar to the SNP... they'll just ignore what the public voted for & then try and get another referendum (repeat till they win)
Or...to be fair......the EU itself, which adopted that very attitude with Ireland.
Quote from: Shepherd on April 18, 2016, 05: PM
Interesting post mk1. The mind simply boggles at the sort of emails the party head office will receive from its membership if it adopts a "we will campaign on what you tell us" basis.
Can you imagine it, can you just imagine what sort of people and ideas will pop up if you just open the door and invite them in? For certain every crazy flat earther and creationist with an internet connection will be pitching their beliefs and electronically howling at the moon. It will make for one hell of a manifesto but how would you sell it. From the reintroduction of the death penalty as a certainty (it might be a bit strict for littering, but hell, we run a tight ship) to the end of universal emancipation, because those women want to vote anyway!!!!.... it will all be there and it will drip with intolerance!
Well Christianity would have to go. Common sense tells us all that there is no way
Jesus was
Surbiton White coming from the area he did and as for
St George ....... the bloke was Greek, for God's sake, so
UKIP wouldn't even let him in to the country!
QuoteWell Christianity would have to go. Common sense tells us all that there is no way Jesus was Surbiton White coming from the area he did and as for St George ....... the bloke was Greek, for God's sake, so UKIP wouldn't even let him in to the country!
;D ;D Have you told the Daily Express?
St George's Day Saturday April 23rd