& it was good to see our ward councillors there giving advice on the way the new Centre would be ran !!!!! :o :o :o :o
really????
So the real reason for the Tribunal Payment Agreements ceasing reveals itself!!! And as for calling the Ward Councillors for not turning up at the reopening the people behind all this are no better than they are. Someone said to me this morning" Your not giving up are you Lynda? Even if it was only five hundred pounds they owed you, you fight girl"
Good on you Lynda......thats what to toe rags want you to do, sooner or later the same kind of " management" structure will break down again....very strict monitoring of council funded organisations should be put in place before a single penny of council tax payers monkey is handed over.
An unincorporated charity cannot technically be insolvent as it has no legal identity seperate to its members and trustees. Any liability of that charity is the personal liability of its trustees and committee members. Any claim against the trustees are against the trustee body as it stood at the time. It is up to the charity trustees to carry out the winding up of the charity. All assets and liabilities must be identified along with claims of its creditors.
Quote from: fred c on October 02, 2014, 01: PM
Good on you Lynda......thats what to toe rags want you to do, sooner or later the same kind of " management" structure will break down again....very strict monitoring of council funded organisations should be put in place before a single penny of council tax payers monkey is handed over.
Typo.................. Money
Quote from: lynda on October 02, 2014, 02: PM
An unincorporated charity cannot technically be insolvent as it has no legal identity seperate to its members and trustees. Any liability of that charity is the personal liability of its trustees and committee members. Any claim against the trustees are against the trustee body as it stood at the time. It is up to the charity trustees to carry out the winding up of the charity. All assets and liabilities must be identified along with claims of its creditors.
Something else for "The Fat Boy" to worry about when he gets back from Mexico...............
I, along with an awful lot more people really hope your successful in showing "The TorLab Mob" up for what they are, an unprincipled & morally bankrupt bunch of no goods who haven`t an ounce of integrity between the lot of them......... Go Lynda Go ;) ;) ;)
Well what a day. After all this time I find out im covered on the house insurance for legal fees up to 50,000 pounds ;D
Sounds like a good 'fighting fund', Lynda - wishing you all the luck in the world in your fight for justice!
Well i myself are a tribunal winner. I am now holding my head held high as im making an honest living with my own business, handling my own taxes and contributions. But i am backing lynda all the way and gonna fight this with her. I believe hartlepool council should take some blame in all this as there leader belcher new fine well what was going down with big wilcox and yet he stood by her.
Lets play ball lynda its in our court 😀😀😀
Justice will be served xxx
"Kilmarnock family resource centre" The new centre !!! Isn't it funny how a lot of people who represent this town stood back whilst the pressure was placed on Wilcox to leave and now when Manor residents is dead and has no other option than to go under, all turn up for re-opening of the new centre. Three members of the old committee have been told they can be volunteers and have no management say over the centre.... Yet other managers have come in and took over the centre and are putting their rules in place (some never to be seen when the sh*t was hitting the fan). Hats of to the 3 who have worked hard to try and rebuild the centre, made sure that staff were paid wages and tried there hardest to pay something to the tribunal winners, but had no other option than to admit defeat. Out of order if you ask me !!
And to the tribunal winners, fight it to the bitter end. Very best of luck.
The debt owed to the tribunal winners,who is liable to pay the debt.The trustees at the time the abuse was going on ??
Yes. But I only need one.
if its the trustees that are liable,and I don't have knowledge of the law,if they don't pay can they be made bankrupt.Might shake them up
Possibly
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2001/jul/27/charitymanagement.charitieslaw
I'm confused about these posts so can someone clarify a few things.
Am I to take it the old, 'new' organisation which replaced the infamous Manor Residents has now been wound up and a new, new one set up to take its place? Further, if there was some sort of re-launch, which councillors were there telling everyone how wonderful everything was going to be?
Firstly Manor Residents Association (still active) at the same time from same address we had Manor Community Resource Centre Ltd (wound up recently). Then in October 2013 we have Manor Family Centre Ltd(still active) which is the name above the door. And now apparently its Kilmarnock Family Resource Centre Someone should write a book. As to who runs it now I have no idea, maybe Jimbo will tell us later.
Im hearing its Dave Wise
Quote from: lynda on October 03, 2014, 04: PM
Im hearing its Dave Wise
Nah it's not Dave Wise. There's some joint effort going on at the moment by other community groups to try and provide some of the support services up in Owton Manor using Kilmarnock Road as a base. Wise will be a part of that but only a part. That said, there's currently no money other than what the likes of West View Resource/Belle Vue/Headland Future have managed to scrape together between them. Not surprisingly and for obvious reasons, they won't allow anyone that used to be involved in the management of Manor Residents anywhere near their own efforts. ... Would you? ;D
Angie's Manor Residents (in its various guises) was around £600,000 in debt in the end. Think of a business, any business, and you can pretty much guarantee that Wilcox owed money to it.
The first attempt to keep things going after Wilcox was turfed out ended up being swamped as the true size of the debt became clear. That's why the tribunal winners started to receive a bit of money but then it dried up - as little bits of money came in some of it was being directed towards the compensation; some of it was going out to a bunch of other creditors all wanting their money.
In the end, with the whole Manor Residents/Wilcox story spreading, the few remaining sources of income they had dried up one by one.
There's some sort of legal reason why Manor Residents can't actually be wound up - probably it can't happen until something is sorted out about all of that debt.
From what I can see, there's no link between the shower of sh**e that went before and what other community groups from other parts of the town are now trying to put together in order to keep some sort of services going.
Even so, I can't see them being willing to dip into their own funds forever just to keep things going in Manor when they have their own areas to think about. Some sort of effort will have to come from the Manor itself - hopefully from people who remember how good it used to be before it became contaminated by Wilcox and her motley crew.
To Kipperdip, I do, I Know and I will :) Steve all I know the other management has gone and Val and Dave Wise are in :) Hope to see you all 13th x ;)
Quote from: lynda on October 04, 2014, 05: PM
To Kipperdip, I do, I Know and I will :) Steve all I know the other management has gone and Val and Dave Wise are in :) Hope to see you all 13th x ;)
I look forward to seeing you on the 13th Lynda.... in fact i will look forward to buying you a Glass Of Veuve Cliquot or 2.......... lmao
Thank you Fred lol ;)
It sounds like organised corruption, its a shame they didn't have an accountant.
The only reason angie got made coubcillor in the first place was because staff members were made to go across the road and vote.
If i remeber right steven was trustee when all this was going on.
£600,000 is about a lifetime's earnings on minium wage so its not like they were being greedy, just getting paid a little bit in advance!
mmm....assuming you were lucky enough to be paid the minimum wage, that is. ::)
Let me tell you a story as the late Max Bygraves would say.
When the heat was on over Manor Residents, HBC finally relented from its 'nothing to do with us' position and agreed to carry out an audit of the organisation. One of the things that had attracted attention was the complete lack of payslips being given to employees. Wilcox had gotten around this by saying that she was now using the basic Payroll Calculator and Payslip Generator that was available from HMRC.
On the day of the audit, Wilcox went in early, pulled up the HMRC Payroll screen and entered fake data for one of the employees. She carefully left the completed screen untouched and allowed the screensaver to kick in with instructions that no one was to touch the computer. When the council auditor appeared and asked about the production of payslips, Wilcox guided him to the computer that she had been working on and said words to the effect, "Look, you can see that I'm using HMRC's own software."
She wasn't; it was all staged for the auditor's benefit. As a matter of fact, she wasn't even connected to HMRC BUT – the council auditor fell for it hook, line and sinker and dutifully reported back that Wilcox was now using the HMRC's own software even producing a report that said so. The audit itself was a sham contrived for PR purposes. How could it be anything else? £600,000 of debt and yet the council auditor didn't spot it.
Everything is a bit screwed at the moment because Wilcox is still out on bail as she has been for over a year, so there's a limit to what can be said without screwing up the investigations. That said, beyond any criminality, there is negligence here on a colossal scale from the Charity Commission who ignored several e-mail alarms that all was not as it should be at Manor Residents, to HBC.
HBC's part in all of this should not be ignored. No fewer than six local labour councillors had connections to Wilcox and Manor Residents. Is this why auditing of Manor Residents simple did not take place – even on the same scale as applied to other similar organisations around town? Even when people almost pleaded with HBC to 'take a serious look' at Manor Residents they were ignored. When duplicated accounts were highlighted, Christopher Akers-Belcher himself stood up in the council chamber and told everyone that it was all the fault of the Charity Commission and it was only when Wilcox's 'questionable activity' started to get too close to Senior Officers for comfort that the Chief Executive finally called in the Police only weeks after he had been insisting that Wilcox had done nothing wrong.
When Wilcox's part in all of this has been sorted, there is a serious need for a full public enquiry carried out by Government officials to examine fully the role of councillors and senior council officers because there is corruption here and we all know it. I sincerely hope that the criminal compensation scheme sees that Lynda Gooding and her three other tribunal winners finally get the monies that they are owed.
Lynda Gooding has more decency in the finger-nail of her little finger than all of those who have conspired against her could muster together. The hypocrites that are Hartlepool Labour Group, who last year all stuck their arms up and supported a council motion proposed by themselves condemning all employers who paid less than the minimum wage - three of those arms belonged to Angela Wilcox, Stephen Akers-Belcher and Paul Beck.