A very stupid man

[fred c]

Fairs Fair.......... if only the politicians operated on that basis, how many of them live the life they preach for the man on the Clapham Omnibus...... we see it in Hartlepool, self servers, using their political parties to get the best deal for themselves...no wonder voters are disillusioned by politicians of all persuasions.

I often ask myself this question..........How many politician would i buy a used car from..........Not fookin many that's for sure

[akarjl]

Shepherd= nail on head = nobody will listen- we are basically at war and the sooner the so called leaders realise that the better. My conscience partially agrees with Corbyns views but I simply have no faith in him as a person or his ability to deliver.Abbott is an out and out racist who's made a career of harping on about how racist the rest of us are. The fact that back in his Uni activist days Jerwemee was "showing her his credentials"must be the only reason she's anywhere near the top of the pecking order at the party HQ

Mother Theresa couldn't lie straight in bed.... the recent attacks tied in with Mother Teresa's decimation of the police force is destroying her day by day.

Fred = Completely agree

Nationally my money is in a labour win- again god help us all. Spend spend spend...well borrow borrow borrow and a sort of exit from the socialist federation of Europe as long as we leave the doors open and "help people" - economic migrants not refugees.

Locally I just don't know, but you may as well deface your ballot paper, actually you ARE defacing your ballot paper if you put a x next to labour OR Cons for Hartlepool - UKIP is once again looking like a daft protest vote...then again if Hangus was standing he would get my vote over the others at the moment.

[Shepherd]

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...then again if Hangus was standing he would get my vote over the others at the moment.
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Too true..I think he kept a lid on the SCABs ambitions, thats why they knifed him! Hoping for a hung parliament... stops them all doing any more damage 

[mk1]

Hoping for a hung parliament... stops them all doing any more damage 

If The UK had the same system as N Ireland, Scotland and Wales you would get that more often. The first past the post system does not work and needs ditching.

[Shepherd]

Totally agree mk1, last time out it took the following numbers to get an MP elected

SNP 23,000
Cons 34,000
Lab 40,000
Lib Dem 300,000
UKIP 3,800,000+

Its not right!

[grim reaper]

Oh dear, I'm in a quandary. It is a conundrum sans answer.
Like Fred, akarjI, Lord Elpus etc. I'm at a total loss with regard to the voting on Thursday.
Corbyn and his IRA, Hamas links etc. leaves me cold. 

Abbott, with her "I may have been born and raised in Britain but I don't feel British" comment is a scandal. Her lack of financial nous is astounding.
Her hypocritical sending of her children to a private fee-paying school and yet voting to ban grammar schools for others is beyond the pale. 

But closer to home, I feel the ramifications will be;
Vote Labour and you get more Unison support for the Belchers, Cranney, Mad Dog etc. The massive sum of money written off by the the Finance & Policy leader (CAB) is a scandal on par with the Wilcox scandal. 
We will NEVER move forward in this town with them/Labour at the helm.

Vote Tory and you get a person that will give tacit support for Wells & Co., who spend THEIR political lives giving support and succour to the Belchers, Cranney, Mad Dog etc.

Limp Dims? Seems a nice guy but sorry, I can't erase the thought of Farron & Clegg from my mind.

Which leaves motormouth Broughton and UKIP.     
Pro's and con's;
At least HE is not tied to any of the trash we have at the moment in the civic centre. Labour losing Hartlepool after almost 60 years will shake the party to its roots.

Maybe, just maybe, they will then start to put the needs of this town on the front burner.

The Tories may smell a potential seat in future elections and they too, maybe, just maybe, start to think about giving the town some support.

The corollary of those thoughts leads me to infer;
Labour means continued support for Belcher et al.
Tory means continued support for Belcher et al.

Broughton could mean that, in future, we are never looked at as a 'backwater' again by the main parties and we are given the support the youth and general population of this town need so desperately.

So, in a perverse, circuitous route, unless I can see a better logic, I'm leaning towards Broughton on Thursday.

And please mk1, lay off the 'it's cos she's brown' bullsh!t.
You're like the proverbial broken record. 

Similar to akarjI, I too have been posted  throughout the world and enjoyed socialising with whoever I was with, in whichever country, and I maintain some of those friendships to this day.
I, and I suspect others on here, know just who the bong-eyed racist is on this site. (and it ain't me, pal).

[mk1]

lay off the 'it's cos she's brown' bullsh!t.
You're like the proverbial broken record. 

Similar to akarjI, I too have been posted  throughout the world and enjoyed socialising with whoever I was with, in whichever country, and I maintain some of those friendships to this day.
I, and I suspect others on here, know just who the bong-eyed racist is on this site. (and it ain't me, pal).

A variation of the 'some of me best friends is black' mantra.

Here is another 'widely travelled' expert.

https://youtu.be/ybqLRF1zFUI?t=2m16s

[Hubris]

While I'd admit to being a small 'c' conservative, like many of you posters out there I don't support all of the Tory's mantras. But I really do look at the constantly brayed line about 'savage Tory cuts' against the context of the legacy of the Blair/Brown years that spent OUR money as if there really was this mystical 'Magic Money Tree' that comrade Corbin seems to think exists. The interest payments alone caused by their largesse costs the country more than we spend on transport, education and energy combined. The basic economic realities are just an inconvenient distraction to them. None of us would run our households without recognising the truism behind Mr Micawber's warning words where if annual expenditure exceeds annual income, the recipe will eventually end in disaster.
And down at a more local level and the well-being of Hartlepool, the only way to start dismantling the current hold the mob has on us all is to undermine them via a disgruntled regional Labour Party and by the exertion of effective pressure from anyone who isn't just a union ventriloquist's dummy.
On Thursday, I'll be trying to give this guy Carl Jackson a chance to show us how he could use his insider's influence in what would be a marginal seat, how hard he will try and give the town a boost, and how he will play his part  in ridding us of the current shower of incompetents (with certain commendable exceptions of course) that infest the very fibre of HBC.
Why not? A chance to shake things up. Anything is better than what we have had for years.

[mk1]

But I really do look at the constantly brayed line about 'savage Tory cuts' against the context of the legacy of the Blair/Brown years that spent OUR money as if there really was this mystical 'Magic Money Tree' that comrade Corbin seems to think exists.

It is not mystical.
It does exist.
It was last used to bail out the Merchant Bankers.
I want it to be used to bail out the NHS.

Why is it wrong to  pay nurses a couple of hundred quid a week instead of giving it to people who stole billions?

[Lucy Lass-Tick]

While I'd admit to being a small 'c' conservative, like many of you posters out there I don't support all of the Tory's mantras. But I really do look at the constantly brayed line about 'savage Tory cuts' against the context of the legacy of the Blair/Brown years that spent OUR money as if there really was this mystical 'Magic Money Tree' that comrade Corbin seems to think exists. The interest payments alone caused by their largesse costs the country more than we spend on transport, education and energy combined. The basic economic realities are just an inconvenient distraction to them. None of us would run our households without recognising the truism behind Mr Micawber's warning words where if annual expenditure exceeds annual income, the recipe will eventually end in disaster.
And down at a more local level and the well-being of Hartlepool, the only way to start dismantling the current hold the mob has on us all is to undermine them via a disgruntled regional Labour Party and by the exertion of effective pressure from anyone who isn't just a union ventriloquist's dummy.
On Thursday, I'll be trying to give this guy Carl Jackson a chance to show us how he could use his insider's influence in what would be a marginal seat, how hard he will try and give the town a boost, and how he will play his part  in ridding us of the current shower of incompetents (with certain commendable exceptions of course) that infest the very fibre of HBC.
Why not? A chance to shake things up. Anything is better than what we have had for years.

My thoughts, too. Speaking to people locally, it seems that many who aren't Conservatives are giving them their vote this time around. Mainly as a vote for change. Apart from this, in my opinion Hill comes over as a nodding donkey, Broughton as a braying fool, whilst Hagon seems a decent chap but his party's policies no longer sit easy with me.  Jackson does seem to have something about him - and the ear of the PM could be a useful conduit.

[Hubris]

A bit sad when you have to go back 59 years to dredge-up a point MK1. Remind me to decline an invite to your place of an evening to watch some of your old archives. And as you appear to think all the ills of the NHS and underpaid nurses lay at the Tory door, don't you recall the Blair/brown years where they signed us up for literally hundreds of PFI deals (neat way to keep spending hidden and off the balance sheet) that currently costs the country a total debt to the taxpayer of 305 billion in repayments on over 700 projects over the next 30 years. I reckon B&B did more to enrich the billionaire parasites/bankers/wankers than anybody has done before or since.
One day soon I think people will use a line of defence against criticism such as -"is it 'cos some of me best friends is Labour?"

[mk1]

you appear to think all the ills of the NHS and underpaid nurses lay at the Tory door, don't you recall the Blair/brown years where they signed us up for literally hundreds of PFI deals (neat way to keep spending hidden and off the balance sheet) that currently costs the country a total debt to the taxpayer of 305 billion in repayments on over 700 projects over the next 30 years. I reckon B&B did more to enrich the billionaire parasites/bankers/wankers than anybody has done before or since.
One day soon I think people will use a line of defence against criticism such as -"is it 'cos some of me best friends is Labour?"

Hmmm..............I never mentioned 'Labour' once in the post you are replying to you nor did I say it was the fault of the Tories.  I just said the claimed 'mythical' Money Tree has been used in the past and I want it to be used again. You seem so blinkered by your 'if you aint with me you are 'agin me' mentality that you are starting to imagine things................

[Shepherd]

Lots of very good posts today and points well made. There also seems to be a consensus which unfortunately is an agreement that we would prefer other people at the helm of the political parties rather than those in-situ at the moment.

grim reaper is on the money with Corbyn and IRA, as an ex-soldier it does not sit well with me, but all wars have to end and you can only do that by talking, which Thatcher, Major and Blair all did. But he does not fill me with confidence on many points and those he has chosen to appoint leave me cold.

The Tories have cut and cut and cut and will continue to do so without a thought, but I think the notion May will be PM after Thursday is not a certainty, if her majority goes and she loses seats it will be the end of the road, and the men from the 1922 will be paying her a visit.  Strong and stable it is not, the Tories have added 700 billion to the defecite, more than every labour government added together so their long touted calls of economic competance ring hollow and May just may be the fall girl.

As for the Magic Money Tree, it was indeed used to bail out the bankers after their crazy financial engineering experiment came crashing down and nearly took the country with them. No other sector would get a fraction of that kind of help, and as soon as the assisted banks start to make a profit, the same people who pointed the cannons at the deck and fired, lobby to sell them off so they can have another go at boot filling. Tony Blair has a lot to answer for, the banking crisis started under his premiership and that, with the unnecessary and illegal war he ensured we participated in, is the reason he is toxic and the reason Corbyn leads Labour. That is some CV.

[mk1]

Remind me to decline an invite to your place of an evening to watch some of your old archives.

You are denying yourself a treat. This I quite like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwCmVDv8uxw

See if you can spot which of the dancers in the bonnets on the top  deck is the  middle of the 3 Majorettes at 2:20 and note how one nearly drops her baton at 2:49.

At least they toned down the blackface (brownface?)

[norfolkngoode]

  Jackson does seem to have something about him - and the ear of the PM could be a useful conduit.

I hope you're right Lucy...... However I cant help but think back to the last time a prospective M.P. had 'something' about him.....
A 'man' who was so far up the P.M (if you'll pardon the expression)that they were like conjoined twins. Despite his position he did nowt for the town and was a dismal failure....... I'm sure you know who I'm referring to!