Just like elected mayors, another tier of 'government' we don't need (or can afford).
However, the commissioner post ought to be non political...especially NOT labour, surely we've learned our lesson there? :-X
I am going to vote for the person that;
1) has had police experience
2) knows exactly what goes on in Cleveland police
3) has the courage to stand up to the police hierarchy....
That man is ex Sgt. Sultan Alam.
Numerous police officers conspired against Sgt. Alam and he spent years in jail as a result.
He finally won his appeal and the officers were found guilty of outright lies and perjury. Some were allowed to retire and some were sacked.
No surprise there, then. :-X
If we have to have a commissioner, he HAS to be totally independent of tainted gutter politics.
Secondly, I was going to vote against the mayoral system but reading between the lines and realising just what the pond life in the kremlin have in store for us...I'm for keeping the mayoral position. :)
Well said on both points, Julie.
Poor judgement Julie, remember what happened in Germany when one person had too much power ??
So you're now likening Drummond to Hitler? :s
Funny, I thought we were talking about Cllr James..... ;)
I see no link between Hitler and Mad Dog-apart from the moustache that is!
Power corrupts Shane, you should know that.
Labour will be relying on a low public turn-out and working flat out to get their own activists out to swing it. God help us if we end up with a Labour Commissioner after the McLuckie business.
testicles; At least with the mayoral system we can vote the incumbent out. (It's just one person).
It's not so easy to vote out a whole, disingenuous cabal. >:(
I don't like what the mayor has done over the years (tall stories etc. etc.) but let's hope the next one is chosen for his political and financial acumen, and not because he football mad! ::)
Julie, we have wanted him out for 11 years so if you vote yes you can expect him for another 11 years. He's too comfy, he needs to go then the SCABS will shoot themselves in the foot even quicker...
Somehow I suspect that Mr Drummond already has alternative irons in the fire when it comes to planning his future. People need to disassociate the man and the role. If we keep the mayoral system then we can at least elect the man or woman that we, as voters, choose and hold that person to account.
The alternative leaves it in the hands of the ruling group and heaven knows how many committees and groups which might ensue. That could be the route to a bureaucratic nightmare.
It worked well for 150 years before Drummond came along..
Quote from: testicles on October 24, 2012, 02: AM
It worked well for 150 years before Drummond came along..
Don't people get it - we aren't talking about a return to the old system as that is NOT even on offer!
We are talking about the committee system which was disbanded in 1999 you silly girl.
As of today, not counting Boris Johnson, there are
Fifteen councils with a directly elected mayor.
Six of these mayors are Labour and all are in Labour controlled councils
Four directly elected mayors (including Stuart Drummond for Hartlepool) are "Independent", and the councils are three Labour, and one with no overall control.
Two mayors are Conservative, one is in a Labour council and one in a Conservative council.
Two are Lib Dem mayors, one council is Lib Dem controlled, and one is no overall control.
One "English Democrat" mayor, who is in a Labour controlled council.
It was Labour in 2000 who introduced the concept of directly elected mayors
Of these fifteen councils today, eleven are Labour controlled.
If the elected mayoral system is ditched, these eleven concillors would naturally favour their own Labour councillors. Thus the public would have less say in how their council is run.
As we are now going for directly elected Police Commissioners, it would be a backward step to remove the present arrangement of a directly elected mayor.
Quote from: testicles on October 24, 2012, 10: AM
We are talking about the committee system which was disbanded in 1999 you silly girl.
. . . and that included the Scrutiny system did it?
Labour had every intention of not simply retaining the Scrutiny system introduced at the same time as the elected Mayoral system but of expanding it. After the Peer Review findings criticised ' an overly powerful Scrutiny', Labour have since changed tac as it looks like the word 'scrutiny' has become poisonous but any notion that all councillors will have an equal say under Labour is just fantasy.
As we found out last February over the budget farce, even Labour councillors can find themselves being threatened by the Cabal.
Labour have had three attempts to persuade the public to give them an elected Mayor and give their man the reins - each time the public said no. Now they have resorted to Plan B.
I'm afraid your obvious hatred of Drummond is clouding your judgement.
Oh and by the way, can we skip the 'silly girl' insults - I suggest you remove it unless you want to add misogyny to that pile of chips currently on your shoulder.
testicles states we have had the previous system for 150 years.
No, we haven't.
We have had the system for something like (40?) years, and then Cllrs started to get paid for serving the people of the town and quickly realised how they could line their own pockets. :(
Prior to that, people put themselves forward for altruistic reasons. :-*
These days the majority see the trough and can't wait to bury their snouts in it. That goes for local and national politics.
However, I am aware their are still some genuine people in politics but even most of those 'keep their heads down' when in reality they ought to be exposing wrong-doing. (A bit like the BBC and the jimmy saville affair).
Contributors to HTH have known about the kremlin goings-on for years......
it's the raison d'etre for HTH in the first place!
But just look how quickly the Peer Review Group saw through the money-grubbing charade infesting the kremlin. >:(
I can't wait for the final report......hopefully it will make the national press!! :o
Julie, if you have such disregard to people who get paid £78 a week after tax for being a councillor then why are you threatening to vote for the monkey.
The committee system was in force in 1999, do your homework.
Steve, i don't dislike drummond i hate unnecessary bureaucracy whereas you hate individuals like Wilcox and Wells and you're very smallminded.
You're not happy unless you are complaining. :o
T: I don't have a disregard for Cllrs on £78 a week.
I have an intense hatred for those topping up their £78 a week by circuitous methods. >:(
And I'll leave it at that.
Let the Peer Review do the talking. :)
Do you have proof ?
I'm a bus driver does that count, ps I am not a councillor ;D
Hardly any of them declare their interests..
And Ken Lupton will be there on Saturday from 10:30 onwards.
I'd encourage people to go meet both candidates in person.
Quote from: testicles on October 25, 2012, 01: AM
Hardly any of them declare their interests..
The Peer Group said that the system of declaring interests wasn't 'robust enough'; Peter Devlin said at the last council meeting that it 'meets the requirements'
. . . sounds a bit like
'within the rules' such as we had with the MPs expenses. In other words, you declare the bare minimum that you can get away with.
The forms appear to have changed recently - they used to ask councillors to declare interests that came with a 'taxable' income (not the income itself) but no longer apparently.
Councillors should be compelled to give the information on how exactly much the receive from HBC funded Organisations...... " No ifs, No buts ".
If they have Family members employed by the Organisations they manage that are funded by HBC......... those figures should also be in the public domain...... No ifs, No buts.
My rates should go towards running Hartlepool................... Not to provide a comfortable lifestyle for Councillors & there Families.
Just looked at the whole thread................ i may have wondered off the original topic, but as the thread has become blurred it seems to fit in.
Julie noted doesnt like councillors topping up their £78 a week but likes Drummond adding £29000 to his salary..
Sultan Alam, he had to retire due to I'll health so was clearly unable to take up any position for which he was qualified in the police, I mean a man of high integrity like he professes surely would not retire on these grounds if he was not capable of working?
So best look at the other candidates than employ someone who is ill.
Ken Lupton would be a good choice in my humble opinion.
Ken is a very nice guy George and is fully committed to the role.
He'll be at the ramp on Saturday from 10:30 if you would like to come down and meet him in person to ask questions.
Obviously I am biased but I do agree with a comment that was made earlier about Allam. He obviously has a massive axe to grind and I fear that personal vendettas are worse that politics.
Barry Coppinger was previously on the Cleveland Police Authority and held a position on it until he resigned stating his health hindered his ability to fulfil the role. Why would that be any different now?
Didn't I read on here that Mr Lupton was part of the North Tees and Hartlepool Hospital Trust at one stage? In fact wasn't he Chairman at the time of Darzi?
Ken is a serving Councillor in Stockton and he was/is a govenor on the NT&H NHS Trust, yes.
Did Ken stand up for the area he represented when the Darzi report was thrown out? Probably. But in my opinion that's what he was elected to do, it isn't his fault if our elected members didn't stand up for Hartlepool and sold us out.
If anything it shows he's prepared to stand up and defend the people he was elected to represent. We could do with a few Ken Luptons' here in Hartlepool.
wow . . . you could spin for Britain, Shane
Mr Lupton played no small part in getting the Darzi report, which recommended a two-site solution, thrown out via the 'reconfiguration review'. It's unrealistic to expect anyone in Hartlepool to vote for him and when you read of his career, you see a habitual quango hopper, a characteristic which many of the candidates around the UK for the Police Commissioner's roles seem to share.
In this report, Lupton refers to the Darzi report as 'a scandalous review' and quite clearly wanted to see a 'one site' solution based at North Tees.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/news-archive/2005/12/29/the-flaws-of-darzi-plan-84229-16530466/ (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/news-archive/2005/12/29/the-flaws-of-darzi-plan-84229-16530466/)
So what you are saying Marky is that because Ken actually listened to the residents of Stockton (who he was elected to represent) and spoke out on their behalf we should discount him because the outcome didn't favour Hartlepool?
What you should be asking is why councillors in Hartlepool didn't do the same and continue to ignore the views and wishes of the people they were elected to represent.
As you can see from the letter you linked, Ken was obviously convinced the decision had been made but he still pushed on and got the decision looked at again. I, and I know most of you, may not like the outcome of his actions but I have a lot of respect for him for battling on which is more than I can say for elected members in Hartlepool who simply sold us out once we'd voted their man in.
Is Ken Lupton the one who stood against Gus Robinson in the general election in 2001 ?
Not in Hartlepool T. I believe there is a Ken Lupton in the town though, former teacher I believe?
No one in Hartlepool is going to vote for someone who played such an active part in getting the Darzi plans for the hospital overturned. - simple
Looks like Ms. May is already pre-empting queries as to whether a low turnout constitutes a clear mandate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20218584
So you won't vote for Ken because he's a Conservative who stood up against Labour and faught for the people who elected him.
Ok, no worries, I'll be voting for him so there is at least 1 person in Hartlepool voting for him. Another theory debunked.
Sorry i meant did he stand against Gus for the candidacy ?
No.
I'm thinking too KD ?
was it graham robb
No, he was in 1992. This guy from Stockton competed with Gus for the seat in 2001, i thought it was Lupton.
A Labour Police Commisioner will uphold the long tradition of the party in matters of 'law and order'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-20225725
Dave McLuckie arrested by Operation Sacristy officers for second time
The former chairman of Cleveland Police Authority has been arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice, the BBC understands.
Dave McLuckie was held last month in connection with a motoring offence, it has emerged.
The Redcar and Cleveland councillor was already on bail as part of Operation Sacristy, a criminal probe into alleged corruption at the police authority.
He has been bailed until 16 November after the most recent allegations.
Mr McLuckie could not be contacted on Wednesday.
'Fraud offence'
A spokeswoman for Warwickshire Police, whose officers are leading the investigation, said: "A 51-year-old man has been arrested by members of the Operation Sacristy team.
"The man was arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice, obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception and a fraud offence."
Officers from Operation Sacristy will pass evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service for charging advice.
Ken Lupton who was a long term football league referee and covered Pools v Darlo but as he didn't give Pools any dodgy penalties this is certain to lose him votes in the town ::)
;D ;D ;D
Interesting piece on Dyke House on the BBC last night though I did wonder why they concentrated their filming on the area of derelict properties which are about to be demolished. It did however highlight another point which is the obsession of the Police with quoting falling crime figures even though the real-life experience of the public suggests otherwise.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-20220991
Just a reminder to say that Ken Lupton, the Conservative PCC candidate will be at the bottom of the ramp today to meet and answer your questions between 10:30 and 13:00.
I would encourage you to call by if you are out and about today. I'll also be there to chat to should anybody want to chew my ear.
Shane
I don't think the news will be full of who won what the day after these badly thought out roles/elections; the news will be of the disasterously low turnout and of how any of the winners can possibly claim a mandate to do anything.
.....For several months I have been dismayed by the lunacy that is about to be unleashed upon us after the forthcoming election for the local PCC. This must be the only £65,000 + PA salaried position available on the planet whereby the applicant does not have to be shortlisted or even provide a CV let alone any proof of qualifications for the job. Sheer lunacy and an insult to people who have graduated etc. (Not me at 65 yrs plus!!) Having paid £5,000 deposit and proven residential status plus a CRO check together with UK citizenship or even more dangerously ,EU citizenship in the UK with voting rights,the door is open. All it takes is the ability to persuade enough people to vote for you and you are in.I accept that that is how democracy works but surely not for such a high calibre position as this. Having perused the list of candidates on offer I feel that some EU registered citizens may have missed a trick here. Perhaps they may have produced a more suitable candidate however how would we know? In the words of Private Fraser "were doomed" Good luck to all.
Concerning the comments made of an elected Police Commissioner it may be well worth noting his remarks made at the Central Neighbourhood Forum by Cllr Carl Richardson on this very subject. 20th October 2011 bottom part of page 4.
Talk about being 2 faced, this guy's 40 faced.
Vote for Alam, he'll make life uncomfortable for everyone if nothing else..
I'm inclined to agree given that we're going to end up with someone claiming to have won.
As stated previously, it has got to be Sultan Alam for me.
Let's look at labour man coppinger;
He was on the police authority when all of the alleged 'dealings' were on the go. His mates on the authority were fellow labour dinosaurs, wallace and mcLuckie.
Are you telling me coppinger considers himself capable of leading cleveland police into a brighter future, when he couldn't even see what was (allegedly) going on right under his nose? :-X
He has got to be a non starter for that reason.
Joe Michna; the green party.
He should stick to what he appears to do well, Hartlepool's CAB service. :-*
What has the 'green party' got to do with running a large police force?
Joe even states he wants to see more police on bikes!
Is that because it makes for better policing, or it is his 'green party' crap coming through? :o
Look Joe, when we want a copper, we want him quickly...not some overweight bozo pedalling like fury! ;D
The gas guzzling helicopter would have to go and any vehicles with a CO2 level above 98 would be scrapped.
'green party' ethics should not be involved in the choice of commissioner.
ken lupton;
Has a management background and appears to have some sort of nous when it comes to management.
However, he doesn't know the police system and how it works and how it can be (obviously) easily corrupted. Stick to politics Ken.
The person for me is someone that has that intimate knowledge of cleveland police (28 years in the force).
Someone that has experienced the way policemen (from the bottom to the very top) can be just a crooked (allegedly) as the scum that infest our magistrates courts on a regular basis.
Sultan Alam isn't in the frame to simply 'get back' at cleveland police for his wrongful imprisonment by corrupt police officers. 8)
He knows what goes on and is determined to sweep through those corridors with a clean broom.
As a retired police sergeant, he knows how to serve the public and I believe that is exactly what he will do.
I simply do not trust career politicians with the governance of cleveland police. :o
Alam on the 15th...........no second choice. :)
The guff(spiel) by each candidate is here.
http://www.policecrimecommissioner.co.uk/Cleveland
Haven`t had any of this posted through my door as yet.
I get plenty of other junk mail.
Quote from: rabbit on November 12, 2012, 03: PM
The guff(spiel) by each candidate is here.
http://www.policecrimecommissioner.co.uk/Cleveland
Haven`t had any of this posted through my door as yet.
I get plenty of other junk mail.
Thanks Rabbit, like you i have had nothing at all about this farcical election through my door, so having read the bumph from each candidate i am adopting the position of an "Independent"
We have seen what a Labout group have done for Hartlepool over the years ..... not a lot.... so it`s a big fat NO for Coppinger from me.
We have first hand evidence of what the Tory group in the Hartlepool Council Chamber have done for Hartlepool....... Nothing.... so a NO for Lupton
I have no interest in the Greens political point of view, Green energy policies are costing the working man a fortune in subsidies to unscrupulous energy companies...... sorry Joe..... thanks but no thanks.
That leaves only the Independent Candidate........ So its Alam for me.
My thinking may be flawed, but i fervently believe political parties should keep their noses out of local policing............ we have seen first hand on HTH how local politicians can influence the local police force........
...I'ts a story long overdue to be written but however here goes.....It is common knowledge that Blair, Mandelson and cohorts in Johnston press rid our town of Harry Blackwood, perhaps the last decent editor of the Mail. The same people conspired against Ray Mallon after the 1997 election when Labour, seemingly against all odds regained power. Prior to the election Mallon championed the cause of "zero tolerence" to improve policing in area. He invited Mr.Bill Bratton and an associate to the area to lecture on the subject.Bratton being from Boston USA and later chief of NYPD. His theory being rid the street of the foot soldiers then the so called 'Mr Bigs' could not operate. It seemed a good theory as it worked and cleaned up large parts of New York City. Shortly after this was highlighted by the UK press both Michael Howard and Jack Straw (shadow Home Sec ) fought for photo opportunities supporting the idea. All well and good ,then came the election. Mr Blair was made P.M..... Then it was realised it was encumbent upon him to follow this approach through. It would have meant all 42 Police Forces in the UK would have to go down this line. Here comes the rub. The love of his life and her love of Human Rights( and the dosh that goes with it) I say perhaps but feel pretty certain she put the boot in and 'Teflon Tone' had to change direction. It was shortly after that 'Operation Lancet' was initiated to discredit Mallon in the very same way Blackwood was disposed of. To mention Dr.Kelly would be mischievous but very relevant.. I have no doubts that Mr. Mallon sailed close to the wind and the enq. cost circa £7 Million. However it shows that 'dark forces' may be at work. In relation to Dep.Ch. Constable Turnbull who arrived at Cleveland shortly after the 1997 election and was the man who suspended Mallon for 'conduct which could be construed as criminal' he later disappeared with a golden handshake and a good job as commissioner of Police in the Turks and Caicos Islands. Nice work if you can get it. Just a few thoughts to ponder over.!!!
I think it was Barry Shaw that went to the Caicos islands ?
Quote from: notenoughsaid on November 13, 2012, 12: AM
It was shortly after that 'Operation Lancet' was initiated to discredit Mallon
Mallon was not some misunderstood saint but rather a man who believed the law did not apply to him and he could do no wrong.
He was not the answer to the problem he was the problem.
His 'squad' engaged in serious criminal activity and several were kicked out after Mallon left. Basicaly a bunch of drug using bullying thugs.
http://www.mojuk.org.uk/bulletins/evil.html
Mallon pleaded guilty to 14 disciplinary charges, admitting that he repeatedly lied, deliberately withheld evidence from senior officers, and turned a blind eye to detectives who took and dealt hard drugs, and supplied them to vulnerable suspects in custody..................
The Observer has learnt that Mallon did not plead guilty once but twice. After first admitting the charges on 4 February, Acres ordered he return to the tribunal two days later and repeat the exercise, and provide a firm assurance that he offered his pleas as an unequivocal acceptance of guilt. In the privacy of the closed tribunal, Mallon meekly complied. In public, last week he proved his assurance had been worthless, telling reporters he was not really guilty at all. He had only pleaded guilty in order to be sacked, he claimed..............................Despite his evident enthusiasm, there was unease among his colleagues at one of his first acts. Two years earlier, a Middlesbrough detective had been transferred to uniform for acting improperly with one of his informants. Even before Mallon began his new posting, the man was earnestly lobbying him to allow him back in the CID. Mallon agreed, appointing him to a new 'intelligence unit'. That officer was Brendon Whitehead.
At Mallon's weekly motivational sessions, he used to praise Whitehead to his plainclothes and uniformed colleagues as a 'risk taker,' precisely the kind of officer Middlesbrough needed to get the desired results. In fact, as Mallon became increasingly aware, he was a reckless cocaine user, whose relationships with criminals went far beyond the proper legal boundaries governing contact between detectives and informants. Operation Lancet took several statements from officers and civilians who reported Whitehead taking drugs in local pubs, at least once snorting cocaine directly from the bar.................. In March 1997, evidence surfaced that another detective - who cannot be named for legal reasons - had given a female prisoner heroin......................As Matthews was being led back to his cell, a uniformed officer spotted a cigarette packet in his shirt pocket. Inside were the remains of the heroin, and the rolled aluminium foil which he had used to smoke it inside the detectives' car.
An official inquiry began, but Mallon said nothing of the concerns he already had about Whitehead and his colleagues, and even arranged for one of the officers to visit the cells in the middle of the night and talk to Matthews again. A few days later he held a meeting for the CID. According to the Lancet dossier, he told Whitehead: 'The biggest thing you did wrong was getting caught.' Matthews, however, was a criminal, 'and no one would believe him'. He told the three detectives to say nothing..................A pale, thin, sobbing girl, aged 16, presented herself at the station, the supposed national centre of zero tolerance policing. She said that she had been brutally beaten and raped by her former boyfriend, Michael Richardson..........Over the next few hours, officers trained in coaxing statements from the victims of sexual assaults took down her harrowing story. As they did so, a parallel horror became apparent: that Richardson had been protected for months by at least two detectives. One of them, she said, was Whitehead, who had given Richardson a police-issue CS gas cannister to use against rival criminals.................The uniformed inspector had drawn up a report, setting out the girl's allegations about Richardson's relationship with detectives, and recommending an immediate inquiry. Mallon sat beside him and scored out all the most incriminating details, ordering him to produce an alternative, diluted version. They did not need to be investigated, Mallon said, because they amounted merely to 'hearsay'. Unfortunately for Mallon, the inspector kept the original, and supplied it to Operation Lancet.
To mk1.......thanks for the reply. I seem to remember you have posted it before and I read it with horror. I didn't set out to wave a flag for Mr.Mallon . My intention was to warn the candidates that nothing lasts forever and be aware of what they will be up against. Perhaps they are.
I believe this role will be as ineffective as the elected mayor we have.
Now let me think....... a sacked Chief Constable, a Deputy Chief Constable in the middle of a disciplinary hearing....then there was that woman .....oh and the Chairman of the Police Authority arrested, forced to resign, suspended from the Labour Party and under criminal investigation along with a selection of other current and previous members of the Police Authority.....add in Operation Lancet and a few million quid and ...
.... sorry, did you say it's been working fine for 200 years?
I've no idea if a Police Commissioner will be any better but God knows, it couldn't be any worse.!
Who knows indeed, but I agree that the current set up is crumbling...apart from his Independent stance, one of the main reasons I support Sultan Alam is that he has in-depth working knowledge of practical policing - not only where things work but first hand experience of the problems where things go wrong.
I don't want to be unkind but . . .
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/dave%20mcluckie.png)
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/jabba.png)
....work out the question for yourselves ;)
One is a fat reptile and the other is a slimy f*c**r, work it out yourselves..
Spot the difference competition ? ...hard one if it is.
Why no Lib Dem in the line up ?
It is Cleggs policy after all....
No it isn't. The Lib-Dems are against the whole idea which is why they are not fielding any candidates.
Quote from: steveL on November 14, 2012, 11: AM
No it isn't. The Lib-Dems are against the whole idea which is why they are not fielding any candidates.
Unlike Labour who are against the whole thing but want you to vote for their man ;)
Coppinger has an advert for himself in tonight's Mail which includes the petty snipe:
"This is not a job for beginners...and it's not a job for would-be Chief Constables."
Does this Party ever have anything to offer but petty-minded spite....?
BARRY Coppinger has been elected at Cleveland's new police commissioner.
The Labour candidate headed the poll ahead of Conservative rival Ken Lupton, it was confirmed at the count at Thornaby Pavilion today.
Mr Coppinger, a former Labour councillor in Middlesbrough and ex-member of Cleveland Police Authority will now take on the £70,000-a-year post.
He won in all four Teesside boroughs, gaining 25,691 votes in the first round of voting, witha 41% share.
After second preferences, he totalled 31,340 votes - ahead of Stockton councillor Ken Lupton's total of 20,171. Mr Lupton had 16,047 of first preferences.
In the first round of voting, independent Sultan Alam received 11,561 while the Green Party's Joe Michna's polled 8,484 votes. Neither made it through to the second round of counting.
The turnout was 15.1%, mirroring the general apapthy nationwide towards the commissioner elections.
Read More http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2012/11/16/barry-coppinger-elected-as-cleveland-police-commissioner-84229-32248186/#ixzz2COrsXENg
Interestingly during the second round of counting the Hartlepool votes, Coppinger won by just 38 votes.
One of the first tasks the new Police Commissioner will have to take is whether to endorse the merging of Hartlepool and Stockton districts. Hartlepool has the lowest crime figures in Cleveland while Stockton has some of the highest. It's obvious if this happens there will be a demand to see resource moved from Hartlepool to Stockton. Will that be in Hartlepools best interests?
Stuart Drummond has always resisted this merger, now he's effectively gone the force will try and get it passed as soon as possible. Barry Coppinger lives in the Mboro area, will he give a xxxx about Hartlepool or will he fight to keep Hartlepool as a district on it's own?
Wonderful. On the day Labour's former Chair of the Police Authority McLuckie is charged with perverting the course of justice, 'Vote labour' Barry Coppinger is elected Police Commissioner.
You couldn't dramatise it could you...hahahahhaahahhahahahahahaahahhahaahhaah
Reading in tonights MAIL Barry Coppinger the new Police Commissioner visiting Hartlepool he's still a Middlesbrough Labour Councillor.
It appears that like our Mayor [was] he's being paid for doing two jobs.
But he's resigning as a councillor next year.
Is this part time or full time policing post?
I'm sure criminals would much prefer a part time Police Commissioner.
So his first action has been to get rid of the existing CEO and install his mate into the £100,000+ job - how very, very Labour.
I notice from tonights mail that drummond still has his fingers in the till, he's on the new police committee and will recieve about 10-15k a year for the pleasure..
The new Police Committees are 'expenses only'.
Quote from: steveL on November 28, 2012, 06: PM
The new Police Committees are 'expenses only'.
Given the way Price defined 'expenses' that is no comfort!