The revolution... is a dictatorship of the exploited against the exploiters

[notinshadow]

I could do a great deal better..I honestly believe that..

You don't think smart..Steve you really don't.. huff and puff all you like but the facts are the facts.. you eye is on getting in the chamber first and that's part of the problem..it means the world to you..it makes you feel alive and worthy..you should have took your eye of that ball and put it on the ball to getting there.

If you have massive costs leaflets, postage etc ..how do you drastically reduce those ex's..think about it yourself..

The answer in part is to get someone else to fund it..not rocket science but you guys rushed it all so spunked your chance.

[notinshadow]

Steve and I don't really want the same thing..he wants to get in the chamber for the Kudos and I would want to get in the chamber to raise some hell..different goals.

[The Shadow]

I want to see Labour out but right now I'm sitting back and enjoying the fireworks in this thread. 

[Not Stephen Hadow]

I could do a great deal better..I honestly believe that.

OK, you are the master. But once again HOW?

you eye is on getting in the chamber first and that's part of the problem..it means the world to you..it makes you feel alive and worthy

Interesting that you have such insights into how someone else apparently thinks? In addition to being a master political tactician you must also be a highly qualified psychoanalyst and motivational theory expert. You are definitely wasted on a local message board like this one.

If you have massive costs leaflets, postage etc ..how do you drastically reduce those ex's..think about it yourself..

The answer in part is to get someone else to fund it..not rocket science but you guys rushed it all so s**n*ed your chance.

Great idea, wish I'd thought of it! Of course the problem is HOW do you get someonelse to fund it?

The bottom line with all your posts comes down to that one word "HOW" and you have no intention of answering that question because you don't know. As with many trolls on boards like this you are only interested in making provocative statements to get a response. When challenged you then retreat to the classic position of targeting your insults onto an individual by making the remarks personal and insulting. to paraphrase the old saying "Those who can, do. Those who can't, troll about it on internet message boards"

[notinshadow]

OK, you are the master. But once again HOW?

No not at all but I do have common sense.



Interesting that you have such insights into how someone else apparently thinks? In addition to being a master political tactician you must also be a highly qualified psychoanalyst and motivational theory expert. You are definitely wasted on a local message board like this one.

It not how you think but how you act..2 different thing..


Great idea, wish I'd thought of it! Of course the problem is HOW do you get someonelse to fund it?

Ask them and give them something back in return..

The bottom line with all your posts comes down to that one word "HOW" and you have no intention of answering that question because you don't know. As with many trolls on boards like this you are only interested in making provocative statements to get a response.

Nonsense..

When challenged you then retreat to the classic position of targeting your insults onto an individual by making the remarks personal and insulting.

No honest is the word you are looking for.

to paraphrase the old saying "Those who can, do. Those who can't, troll about it on internet message boards

What!!! I am at work now so you will have to wait longer for replies..

[notinshadow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MODq81_cDKI


Agreed Sir

[mk1]

Wolf?
I think GL is a fox!
Wanna pop round to dip in my hotub GL (see adds to the right) wear the fetching yellow number.......

[The Shadow]

Its genuinely frustrating though. the people on here profess to want change in the chamber, there are (potentially) some good people on here who could make a difference for the better in the town, but it would appear you'd rather spend time with online in fighting than pool your collective resources and have a proper crack at solving the towns issues. tragic really.

Many of us have tried but unfortunately the moment you propose something that the ruling class on here don't like you are shot down in flames and called a plant.

As you quickly found out. It is easy to lose heart on here

[notinshadow]

I have seen that time and time again on here over the years.

You are bang on right though..

[mk1]

Many of us have tried but unfortunately the moment you propose something that the ruling class on here don't like you are shot down in flames and called a plant.

But you are a plant-well some form of vegetable at least.

As for me I don't 'rule' anybody. Nor am I connected to any party. Indeed if the old forum was still up you could find many clashes between me and  Kipperdip/SA.
You will get the same treatment.

[notinshadow]

I agree with that MK1 you hate everyone politically equally.lol..

[The Shadow]

hating everyone politically equally

I feel a new signature coming on

[The Shadow]

Well unless i see some actual collective ACTION led by PHF on here tonight/tomorrow i think its safe to say my stint on here will be short and i along with tens of thousands of others will remain tucked away in the shaddows getting along with our lives and not giving a toss about who sits in that chamber. There was an opportunity tonight to work together and try to GENUINELY facilitate change. Unfortunately the two main people who profess to genuinely want it have opted to either make excuses for why we shouldnt/cant or ignore the most viewed thread (in relation to time its been on here)in a while altogether. . putting hartlepool first? Who UKIPidding?

Do not quit Sir, I am enjoying your posts. You and notinshadow are the type of members this forum needs more of. The type that will actually dare to question the things put on here without blindly following it.

[notinshadow]

Lets face it is those behind PHF were as astute and committed as they think to bringing down labour they would do it by winning hearts and minds in the streets and by speaking to real people who do real things in the town,

YES

why isn't there a group outside every major public building in the town campaigning for real change, why isn't there a very open and frank press campaign from them, why don't I have leaflets through my door, or have the elections caught you lot by surprise?


YES

In truth any website belonging to a group of individuals that is trying to affect genuine change in Hartlepool would be fighting tooth and nail to be seen as the voice of truth, integrity and honesty.

YES

In reality what we have is a group of posters who use dirty tricks, sail very close to slander and defamation, will be critical of literally anything the local authority does or that benefits any body that could be seen as sympathetic to the Labour party.

Lets be honest the Labour lot are as bent as a nine bob note.

They also appear to be in possession of a great deal of highly specialist information, or at least 50% of the facts surrounding any number of issues, and then make up the rest as they go along.

The % is wrong.

It is worth noting that precedent exists in UK law that website owners are made to be liable for the content of forum posts, especially when the disclaimer on this forum is so weak a good barrister would glance at it and p**s himself if it was used as defence against any allegations.

And doesn't bother me in the slightest..a barrister wouldn't be required as at best it would be a 4a or 5 public order offence so dealt with at magistrates. thats handy as this site has a corrupt one on the firm.

What I find amusing is that this site allows posters to hide behing pseudonyms, but the official PHF site (rather than the venomous cousin) refuses to post articles without being able to verify the id of the sender, funny that one uses some proper guidelines and one uses a generic cut and paste disclaimer.

Different owners different rules.

One of the things I find strange is that the deluded think their political party will make a difference, because as much as I agree with the philosphy of 'Putting Hartlepool First' while one of it's candidates owns a website that exists to mainly attack and throw cowardly abuse at voluntary and community groups and those who currently hold power the whole thing seems a sham.

I love the West View project...lol. makes me laugh that you lot are talking over from the C.A.B...and you want to talk about corruption..

How many of the PHF candidates are related by the way?

A couple I can think off.. hang on ..Chris Simmons labour...his daughter married the leader of the council henry 8th Labour an shes ruinning this time round for Labour.. and his ex wife ..Marj Labour..

Isn't that kind of nepotism what a certain organsiation is having it's name dragged through the mud for by this site that is an alleged paragon of virtue?

Read above and have another go at that..

Finally for those of you who believe that the site has more visitors than the local paper has readers, have you ever asked Steve for his stats and how they are broken down?

Don't care..

Are those visitors unique IP hits per month, clicks on the forum, total number of hits on each forum thread? Oh and how many of the unique visitors arrived at this site as the result of a google search for an external item that has been linked on here or a random series of hartlepool related words? It isn't as big or as important as it thinks.

Still don't care..


NEXT..

[mk1]

There seems to be some very basic mistakes being made here.
Let me try to put it in a nutshell.

Quite a few of the regular posters are engaged in a political campaign.
As a result they have limited their input so as not to upset the recent influx of  plants and placemen from the major parties. They have decided not to involve HTH or guide its content to PHF party advantage.
Thus it falls on those like me to fend off the slurs and calumny of the undercover lickspittles.
I am happy to take up the slack and to be honest the task is much easier than I at first thought.
As one of the true impartials here I can say there are  many more Tory plants than Labour ones.
I salute the courage of one of the latest (multiple ID) posters who has decided to speak up for the Manor Mafia. A task that seems to be beyond the principles and has apparently fallen on the shoulders of a lowly hanger-on.