So the day dawned and the Labour Party way forward for Hartlepool arrived. My Norwegian Terrier beat me to it and after a savaging it in true Viking nature I recovered most of it from his Viking jaws.
Are we sitting comfortably children then I'll begin......
Uncle Paul was a bit vague on what exactly he was going to achieve, plenty of going to do but never explains how.
Now to cut Citizen Robespierre Mk1 off at the pass, I was the one who pointed out the massive mistake by the Tories of bringing in an outside candidate and still believe it will cost them dear. However Uncle Paul said.....
They've taken Hartlepool for granted by picking a candidate who is out of town, out of touch and has no connection with Hartlepool
Well Paul, do you live in the town? I know you're from the North East ....of Kent (Canterbury). North Yorkshire ain't Hartlepool, but at least I can easily see it from my bedroom window, but no matter how I try I can't see Canterbury Cathedral.
Then there's....
They've had 11 years ( the Tories) in government to show an interest in our town and they've failed
Where do we start, .... if you're going to make statements like that, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
The Marina development was paid for by the Tories, then we had all those years under Tony and Gordon and even with Mandelson as MP we got nothing. All the latest developments were paid for by the Tories which were splurged by the dear leader on shiny, sparkly vanity projects projects which were so bankrupt on the imagination side they just ripped out and redid what the Tory TDC in the 90's ... and did it worse.
I like the use of the word 'our', implying you're one of us. If so, how come I've never heard of you till you were parachuted in?
How about.....
Getting together with other local doctors, I 've brought back 24 hour service at the urgent care centre, but we need to do more.
What a pity your then Party predecessors in the Council Chamber couldn't.
Or even.....
I have a record of bringing things back to Hartlepool.
Really, what exactly are they?
The Labour Group Leader says she's backing Dr Paul, it would have been odd if she wasn't.
Who writes these things.....? when he's describing the town centre as 'vibrant' you really have to wonder how gullible they think the electorate are.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
However Uncle Paul said.....
They've taken Hartlepool for granted by picking a candidate who is out of town, out of touch and has no connection with Hartlepool
Which leaflet was he reading,
Labour or
Conservative?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
The Marina development was paid for by the Tories, then we had all those years under Tony and Gordon and even with Mandelson as MP we got nothing.
Hey do not realise that 'the past' is off-limits.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 10, 2021, 06: AM
Nobody really cares what happened 5 years ago.
And
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 09, 2021, 06: AM
2 years old article.............. Old news................... two years ago....
And
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 08, 2021, 07: PM
Old news 4 years ago.....
Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
The Marina development was paid for by the Tories, then we had all those years under Tony and Gordon and even with Mandelson as MP we got nothing.
Hey do not realise that 'the past' is off-limits.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 10, 2021, 06: AM
Nobody really cares what happened 5 years ago.
And
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 09, 2021, 06: AM
2 years old article.............. Old news................... two years ago....
And
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 08, 2021, 07: PM
Old news 4 years ago.....
Penny has dropped then?
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Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
The Marina development was paid for by the Tories, then we had all those years under Tony and Gordon and even with Mandelson as MP we got nothing.
Hey do not realise that 'the past' is off-limits.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 10, 2021, 06: AM
Nobody really cares what happened 5 years ago.
And
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 09, 2021, 06: AM
2 years old article.............. Old news................... two years ago....
And
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 08, 2021, 07: PM
Old news 4 years ago.....
Penny has dropped then?
no
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
and redid what the Tory TDC in the 90's ... and did it worse.
Would that be the Tory TDC that claimed it left a surplus of £16 million when it was closed down but was then discovered to be at least £23 million in debt (2002 figures) and later £40 million?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/LpbNVO.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmLpbNVOj)
The TDC that spent its last weeks shredding every single 'suspect' document in its files (it bought several industrial shredding machines in its last months)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/fnuvsh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmfnuvshj)
and where assets simply disappeared to later turn up in the businesses of friends of the TDC Board?
It is very revealing that the most corrupt Business in the North East since T Dan Smith was operating is something you admire.
Here is the Official Report into the mismanagement
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2002/02/0102640.pdf
Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
and redid what the Tory TDC in the 90's ... and did it worse.
Would that be the Tory TDC that claimed it left a surplus of £16 million when it was closed down but was then discovered to be at least £23 million in debt (2002 figures) and later £40 million?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/LpbNVO.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmLpbNVOj)
The TDC that spent its last weeks shredding every single 'suspect' document in its files (it bought several industrial shredding machines in its last months)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/fnuvsh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmfnuvshj)
and where assets simply disappeared to later turn up in the businesses of friends of the TDC Board?
It is very revealing that the most corrupt Business in the North East since T Dan Smith was operating is something you admire.
Here is the Official Report into the mismanagement
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2002/02/0102640.pdf
Can you just stop with the history lessons, please....
Surely we should be discussing what's right in front of our faces, not what happened 20 or more years ago.....
Quote from: diSme on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
Can you just stop with the history lessons, please....
Surely we should be discussing what's right in front of our faces, not what happened 20 or more years ago.....
err didn't someone say we should emulate the TDC?
I just skimmed through your posting history and found you had no complaints when 'old' Labour misdeeds are brought and even thanked someone for posting a list of Labour misdeeds. What exactly is the problem when a Conservative misdeed is aired? Is it not, like the Labour list ' food for thought?
Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
and redid what the Tory TDC in the 90's ... and did it worse.
Would that be the Tory TDC that claimed it left a surplus of £16 million when it was closed down but was then discovered to be at least £23 million in debt (2002 figures) and later £40 million?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/LpbNVO.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmLpbNVOj)
The TDC that spent its last weeks shredding every single 'suspect' document in its files (it bought several industrial shredding machines in its last months)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/fnuvsh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmfnuvshj)
and where assets simply disappeared to later turn up in the businesses of friends of the TDC Board?
It is very revealing that the most corrupt Business in the North East since T Dan Smith was operating is something you admire.
Here is the Official Report into the mismanagement
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2002/02/0102640.pdf
The party of the first part, henceforth known as the party of the second part shall henceforth bla, blah, blah... there's boxes of flea powder with instructions more interesting than that.
Quote from: diSme on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
Can you just stop with the history lessons, please....
Surely we should be discussing what's right in front of our faces, not what happened 20 or more years ago.....
He never does that. Unless of course it serves his distracting purpose. He jumps about like flea in a kangaroos pouch to whatever suits his needs. There are no reasonable rules of debate, no compromises, just a need to better any opponent and see himself as top dog.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
The party of the first part, henceforth known as the party of the second part shall henceforth bla, blah, blah...
Makes more sense than your normal posting style.
Conservative corruption is always interesting. More so when its supporters are desperate to cover it up.
Here is the Tory spokesperson giving us the TDC Vision of our future:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/whatevers-happened-to-hartlepool-a-new-historic-seaport-a-mall-with-versace-and-armani-a-marina-and-a-museum-designed-by-norman-foster-jonathan-glancey-meets-the-man-with-a-pounds-1bn-plan-for-teesside-1384314.html
We sit outside an 18th century tavern (or what looks like one). 'The tavern didn't exist a day before it opened', says Hall. 'We had a set designer fit it out in less than 24-hours'. Today, it is jammed full. 'It'll be more popular next year when we open the biggest and best bingo hall in the country here.' The quay is expected to attract half-a-million visitors in 1995.
'There's no attraction to match this within miles. You've got York Minster and the Norvik Centre, Durham Cathedral and Beamish Open Air Museum, and that's it. By December we'll have Jackson's Landing, a mall of between 25 and 30 big name designer shops - Armani, Versace, the lot, and eight class restaurants. They'll come from miles away to shop here.'
Will they? Hall cites the example of the designer shopping mall opened recently in Street, Somerset where coachloads of shoppers pile down from Liverpool, Manchester and the West Midlands every day.
'The other dock is the site of the new Imperial War Museum. It's by Sir Norman Foster. We've got him on a design and build contract so we can get it built and fitted out in 52 weeks. We're also building 800 new homes around the new marina. We've sold most of them. You tell me which are council flats and which belong to yachties. You can't, can you? I like to see everyone mixed together, real life coming back to the town.'
Although not quite yet. Towns do not grow or repair themselves quickly. The encouraging sign is that the marina, quay and mall are linked to the town centre, unlike, say, the new marina at Southampton. Duncan Hall and his team are learning from the mistakes of earlier development corporations.
.
Quote from: diSme on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
Can you just stop with the history lessons, please....
Surely we should be discussing what's right in front of our faces, not what happened 20 or more years ago.....
So I am not the only person bored by MKzeros rants? It appears he's seething at being constantly challenged.....keep it up.
Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
The party of the first part, henceforth known as the party of the second part shall henceforth bla, blah, blah...
Makes more sense than your normal posting style..
At least I have a style.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
At least I have a style..............
and terrible eyesight.
Try this:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/IJsCdm.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnIJsCdmj)
Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
Conservative corruption is always interesting. More so when its supporters are desperate to cover it up.
Here is the Tory spokesperson giving us the TDC Vision of our future:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/whatevers-happened-to-hartlepool-a-new-historic-seaport-a-mall-with-versace-and-armani-a-marina-and-a-museum-designed-by-norman-foster-jonathan-glancey-meets-the-man-with-a-pounds-1bn-plan-for-teesside-1384314.html
We sit outside an 18th century tavern (or what looks like one). 'The tavern didn't exist a day before it opened', says Hall. 'We had a set designer fit it out in less than 24-hours'. Today, it is jammed full. 'It'll be more popular next year when we open the biggest and best bingo hall in the country here.' The quay is expected to attract half-a-million visitors in 1995.
'There's no attraction to match this within miles. You've got York Minster and the Norvik Centre, Durham Cathedral and Beamish Open Air Museum, and that's it. By December we'll have Jackson's Landing, a mall of between 25 and 30 big name designer shops - Armani, Versace, the lot, and eight class restaurants. They'll come from miles away to shop here.'
Will they? Hall cites the example of the designer shopping mall opened recently in Street, Somerset where coachloads of shoppers pile down from Liverpool, Manchester and the West Midlands every day.
'The other dock is the site of the new Imperial War Museum. It's by Sir Norman Foster. We've got him on a design and build contract so we can get it built and fitted out in 52 weeks. We're also building 800 new homes around the new marina. We've sold most of them. You tell me which are council flats and which belong to yachties. You can't, can you? I like to see everyone mixed together, real life coming back to the town.'
Although not quite yet. Towns do not grow or repair themselves quickly. The encouraging sign is that the marina, quay and mall are linked to the town centre, unlike, say, the new marina at Southampton. Duncan Hall and his team are learning from the mistakes of earlier development corporations.
.
You come out with this chip on shoulder nonsense but tell me what would be there if the Marina hadn't been built, derelict dock land with long tails galore, if that turns you on you have my very deepest sympathy.
Name one similar project a Labour government ever splashed on Hartlepool.
At the time of the development Cleveland County Council in it's death throes, was in favour of filling the docks in and building social housing as an alternative. I suspect that dovetailed nicely with their vision of Hartlepool as being a dormitory/feeder town for their vision of New York on the Tees at the boro.
I know exactly which option I prefer.
I know which option I prefer
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
At least I have a style..............
and terrible eyesight.
Try this:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/IJsCdm.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnIJsCdmj)
Would that be the 'eye test' for obedient apparatchiks of the Party.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
Would that be the 'eye test' for obedient apparatchiks of the Party.
Or a test for spoonerism
cupid stunt:
https://vimeo.com/535441654
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
At the time of the development Cleveland County Council in it's death throes, was in favour of filling the docks in and building social housing as an alternative.
All in pink is filled -in water.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/xRSfjl.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poxRSfjlj)
West Hartlepool docks died with coal. It was the only reason the town was built.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
their vision of New York on the Tees at the boro.
I know exactly which option I prefer.
I know which option I prefer
And just like the song it was '
so good you said it twice'
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 09: AM
West Hartlepool docks died with coal.
LOL More drivel- Hartlepool is a major export hub for inter array wind farm cables manufactured at JDR- I have loaded vessels and sailed from the port many times over last 10 years barring cables.
Purpose built cable laying vessels - not former colliers.
Get your facts right.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 11, 2021, 11: AM
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 09: AM
West Hartlepool docks died with coal.
LOL More drivel- Hartlepool is a major export hub for inter array wind farm cables manufactured at JDR- I have loaded vessels and sailed from the port many times over last 10 years barring cables.
Purpose built cable laying vessels - not former colliers.
Get your facts right.
I don't think he does up-to-date information...
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 11, 2021, 11: AM
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 09: AM
West Hartlepool docks died with coal.
LOL More drivel- Hartlepool is a major export hub for inter array wind farm cables manufactured at JDR- I have loaded vessels and sailed from the port many times over last 10 years barring cables.
Purpose built cable laying vessels - not former colliers.
Get your facts right.
He despises this town. God knows why he lives here.
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 09: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
At the time of the development Cleveland County Council in it's death throes, was in favour of filling the docks in and building social housing as an alternative.
All in pink is filled -in water.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/xRSfjl.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poxRSfjlj)
West Hartlepool docks died with coal. It was the only reason the town was built.
All those 'docks' apart from one, were timber ponds, not docks. The only dock filled in was the Union Dock, the rest were filled in a long time ago. If you are going to present these picture shows, do some research.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 01: PM
All those 'docks' apart from one, were timber ponds, not docks.
Good job I said 'filled in water' then. It not just phantom spoons you are seeing.
This might help you
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/KEiSjf.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poKEiSjfj)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 01: PM
The only dock filled in was the Union Dock, the rest were filled in a long time ago.
Filling in started in the 1950s and Swainson was completely filled 1970/71. Here you can see the final section of water being covered
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/bBFSCa.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmbBFSCaj)
Union Dock was there until early 1990s
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/P0v0DH.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnP0v0DHj)
and once gone there is no way any shipping can use the old West Hartlepool Docks ever again. At least it will prevent them moving the Trincomalee.
As I stated earlier West Hartlepool Docks ceased to have any real purpose when coal lost its crown and the blocking of any sea access for shipping is confirmation 'The Docks' are gone
Created 1840s and experied 120 years later.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/gKbWdn.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pogKbWdnj)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 01: PM
If you are going to present these picture shows, do some research.
Illustrated London News June 12 1852 (https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/BN5qiV.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poBN5qiVj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/0PiFF2.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po0PiFF2j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/w3ijgu.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pow3ijguj)
You are like someone who when you casually ask them what time is proceeds to explain how the watch works and the various theories relating to time itself. You never ask that person again.
This regrettable missionary urge of yours to address everyone as natives on some undiscovered island and proceed to bore the pants off them by talking down to everyone must have a medical name surely.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 05: PM
urge of yours to address everyone as natives on some undiscovered island and proceed to bore the pants off them
A) How can you address anyone on an 'undiscovered island'? Surely you mean 'recently discovered'.
B) Would said inhabitants of any such island actually be wearing pants in the first place? I am sure one of the first tasks of Christian missionaries would be to get everyone start wearing pants.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 05: PM
must have a medical name surely.
not 'medical' as such but rather ....
https://vimeo.com/535551128
See how much has gone
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/fyQhf9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnfyQhf9j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/clLPf5.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmclLPf5j)
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 09: AM
West Hartlepool docks died with coal.
Hartlepool docks are thriving and going to get even busier as Dogger Bank wind farm kicks off. All wind farms are interconnected using array cables many of which are manufactured at JDR. Unless a fleet of airships are to be utilised to carry the cables to the site... the cables are loaded on to ships- at Hartlepool docks before being installed on the seabed.
Oddly coal is not involved in the wind farm construction process .....= yet again - although you try to bore people into submission with crap- you are day dreaming about all our yesterdays as opposed to the present and the future.
Bit of a stretch but Able sea port which forms part of Teees and Hartlepool ports is expanding massively exporting Towers, nacelles and blades for wind farms.
Doesn't matter how many images you post going as far back as you like claiming the port has died.
You are wrong.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 11, 2021, 08: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 09: AM
West Hartlepool docks died with coal.
Hartlepool docks are thriving ........................Doesn't matter how many images you post going as far back as you like claiming the port has died.
You are wrong.
I guess you failed to notice the words I used.
This is very specific:
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 05: PM
As I stated earlier West Hartlepool Docks ceased to have any real purpose when coal lost its crown and the blocking of any sea access for shipping is confirmation 'The Docks' are gone
Created 1840s and experied 120 years later.
Not very bright are you?
Quote from: mk1 on April 11, 2021, 08: PM
Not very bright are you?
Perhaps not but I do understand navigation having studied it since I was 16. The Hartlepool as they came be known consisted of Old Hartlepool ( The Headland) and West Hartlepool .
Geographically the only "dock" in Old Hartlepool is the Fish Quay and one side of Victoria Basin. The present docks are located in West Hartlepool oddly West of Old Hartlepool. (West is the opposite to east)
Either way trawling through your somewhat selective " archives" has yet again proved pointless . The Port did not die.
Hope that helps.....stick to the fence and leave marine matters to those who are qualified and know which direction is which ;)
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 12, 2021, 06: AM
The Port did not die.
I never mentioned the 'port' of Hartlepool. I was very careful to use the correct terminology (West Hartlepool Docks) and any confusion is your own. I know you were trying to help your Sanchez but you charged at the wrong windmill. Perhaps you thought it was the Middleton windmill?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/Svy0y5.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poSvy0y5j)
Here an 1841 map of Hartlepool Docks-no West Hartlepool docks in sight.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/X7rdr6.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poX7rdr6j)
Or even older
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/vD6wty.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmvD6wtyj)
I can even give you an early street plan for an East Hartlepool if you want............
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 08: AM
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 12, 2021, 06: AM
The Port did not die.
I never mentioned the 'port' of Hartlepool. I was very careful to use the correct terminology (West Hartlepool Docks) and any confusion is your own. I know you were trying to help your Sanchez but you charged at the wrong windmill. Perhaps you thought it was the Middleton windmill?
Your only purpose is to be an irritant, to suppress debate on any topic and reduce the board to a backwater. This will of course intensify in the lead up to Election Day naturally.
After the great day passes you will await orders from your masters and betters on what to do next.
Don't worry though, you'll have company.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 12: PM
, to suppress debate on any topic...........
You do not want to debate. You want a platform where you and your fruitcake mates frenetically castigate BLM & immigrants unchallenged. A safe space where you can tell each other how you won WW2 and saved the cowardly Europeans from the beastly Boche. A pulpit to preach about an imaginary 4th Reich.
You inhabit an alternate Trumpian reality and desperately seek the comfort of an echo chamber of like-minded low-educational standard blowhards.
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 12: PM
, to suppress debate on any topic...........
You do not want to debate. You want an echo chamber where you and your fruitcake mates can rant about BLM, immigrants, how you won WW2 and all the other alternate facts the low-educational standard old voters obsesses over.
He is correct IMHO.
You do nothing but distract people from potentially helpful, relevant and pertinent conversation.
Nobody can make a comment on here without you jumping on it, attempting to start disagreement, and ultimately swaying the discussion far from it's initial originating intent and purpose.
I know the admin is all for freedom of speech here, and that is a sentiment with which I absolutely agree and support, however I believe that
you mk1 actually stifle healthy debate and free speech, with your prolific and mostly irrelevant posts.
I don't care if the board is quiet at times. I'd rather that than have to wade through the senseless drivel you frequently post....
Edit to add - also, I find you rather offensive towards anyone that might dare to think differently to you. "Fruitcakes, loonies, not very bright" to name just a few recent ones.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
You do nothing but distract people from potentially helpful, relevant and pertinent conversation.
Do you mean the thread where
two posters flat-out lied about a photograph of a man with a 99 ice cream?
Would you have preferred if I had not challenged them about the lies?
What you really mean is you can not stand it when someone challenges your politics.
You are another who seeks the comfort of an echo chamber.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I believe that you mk1 actually stifle healthy debate and free speech, with your prolific and mostly irrelevant posts.
So in the pursuit of free speech you want to limit free speech? Ok got that.
As for 'irrelevant' I will remind you the only reral news posted here of late was my forewarning that Wells was to be made a Freeman.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I'd rather that than have to wade through the senseless drivel you frequently post....
I can never understand those who constantly say they never read my posts but then read, quote and complain about them!
A challenge .Can anyone one of those mithering link me to a post of theirs on this forum where they complain about me attacking Labour or a Labour politician?
Even a mild rebuke will do.
Can any of you show this new-found sensitivity is nothing more than partisan posters getting upset when their politics are being criticised?
In case you have not worked it out yet I think none of the parties/people standing for election can achieve anything other than organising the bin collections and removing dog-dirt. A local MP can do nothing about the problems with Hartlepool so I think they are all wasting their time promising the earth. I think Councillors collecting rubbish is nothing but virtue signalling.
It was obvious propaganda when the SCABs did it and its no different today. It is not their job, they can not do it full time so its meaningless.
Oh and it was me who first used the SCAB term.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
You do nothing but distract people from potentially helpful, relevant and pertinent conversation.
Nobody can make a comment on here without you jumping on it, attempting to start disagreement, and ultimately swaying the discussion far from it's initial originating intent and purpose.
I know the admin is all for freedom of speech here, and that is a sentiment with which I absolutely agree and support, however I believe that you mk1 actually stifle healthy debate and free speech, with your prolific and mostly irrelevant posts.
I think you should read what Fred tells those who don't like the way the Facebook Post does business
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Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I find you rather offensive towards anyone that might dare to think differently to you. "Fruitcakes, loonies,
It is a
Cameron quote which has become an accepted shorthand for UKIP and in case you did not notice I left out the last bit of his quote.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4875502.stm
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 05: PM
I think you should read what Fred tells those who don't like the way the Facebook Post does business
Why would we this is not Farce book.....
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
You do nothing but distract people from potentially helpful, relevant and pertinent conversation.
Do you mean the thread where two posters flat-out lied about a photograph of a man with a 99 ice cream?
Would you have preferred if I had not challenged them about the lies?
What you really mean is you can not stand it when someone challenges your politics.
You are another who seeks the comfort of an echo chamber.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I believe that you mk1 actually stifle healthy debate and free speech, with your prolific and mostly irrelevant posts.
So in the pursuit of free speech you want to limit free speech? Ok got that.
As for 'irrelevant' I will remind you the only reral news posted here of late was my forewarning that Wells was to be made a Freeman.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I'd rather that than have to wade through the senseless drivel you frequently post....
I can never understand those who constantly say they never read my posts but then read, quote and complain about them!
A challenge .
Can anyone one of those mithering link me to a post of theirs on this forum where they complain about me attacking Labour or a Labour politician?
Even a mild rebuke will do.
Can any of you show this new-found sensitivity is nothing more than partisan posters getting upset when their politics are being criticised?
In case you have not worked it out yet I think none of the parties/people standing for election can achieve anything other than organising the bin collections and removing dog-dirt. A local MP can do nothing about the problems with Hartlepool so I think they are all wasting their time promising the earth. I think Councillors collecting rubbish is nothing but virtue signalling. It was obvious propaganda when the SCABs did it and its no different today. It is not their job, they can not do it full time so its meaningless.
Oh and it was me who first used the SCAB term.
why would we bother?
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 12: PM
, to suppress debate on any topic...........
You do not want to debate. You want a platform where you and your fruitcake mates frenetically castigate BLM & immigrants unchallenged. A safe space where you can tell each other how you won WW2 and saved the cowardly Europeans from the beastly Boche. A pulpit to preach about an imaginary 4th Reich.
You inhabit an alternate Trumpian reality and desperately seek the comfort of an echo chamber of like-minded low-educational standard blowhards.
He comments whilst sat on the fence lol
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 08: AM
PLEASE Ignore his drivel.....
Once again the penny has not dropped- nobody cares what happened in ye good old days in Hartlepool .
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
You do not want to debate. You want a platform where you and your fruitcake mates frenetically castigate BLM & immigrants unchallenged.
Just who exactly are you referring to with those appalling accusations...?
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 12: PM
, to suppress debate on any topic...........
You do not want to debate. You want a platform where you and your fruitcake mates frenetically castigate BLM & immigrants unchallenged. A safe space where you can tell each other how you won WW2 and saved the cowardly Europeans from the beastly Boche. A pulpit to preach about an imaginary 4th Reich.
You inhabit an alternate Trumpian reality and desperately seek the comfort of an echo chamber of like-minded low-educational standard blowhards.
Ahhhh so THAT is the REAL MK Zero...
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
Do you mean the thread where two posters flat-out lied about a photograph of a man with a 99 ice cream?
Would you have preferred if I had not challenged them about the lies?
Oh no....Flakegate!!!! Will there be an enquiry? Oh dear. Will impeachment follow?
Get real, you 'challenged' no one, you just went and took a wobbly, waved your arms about and howled at the moon.
Independent, questioning minds do appear to be an anathema to you.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 12: PM
Your only purpose is to be an irritant, to suppress debate on any topic and reduce the board to a backwate.............
Then take your chum's advice
Quote from: akarjl on March 13, 2017, 06: PM
That's an easy fix.
Don't log in.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I believe that you mk1 actually stifle healthy debate and free speech, with your prolific and mostly irrelevant posts.
Solution:
Quote from: akarjl on March 13, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: dowager on March 13, 2017, 04: PM
I enjoy Hartlepool Post on the few occassions I remember to log in.
Today I logged in and remember why I dislike it more times than I enjoy a lively debate.
That's an easy fix.
Don't log in.
True when Steve said it back in 2017 and still true today:
Quote from: steveL on March 13, 2017, 08: PM
You don't need to log in, it's not compulsory.
However, well over 50,000 people each month disagree with you. That number is on a par with the people who read The Mail website and on a level that obliterates the visitor numbers to HBC's own web site.
If it's a glowing view of Hartlepool Council that you want then I suggest that you make Hartbeat your bed-time reading. In the Hartbeat world everything is wonderful and golden. Councillors never lie and money is never wasted. Councillors vote in line with what they each actually believe and think and not like sheep brought into line by a snapping sheep dog.
In the Hartbeat world, favoured 'entrepreneurs' don't consist of a mixture of tax evaders, wife-beaters, drug pedlars and cigarette smugglers but of upstanding citizens that councillors are proud to call friends. No councillors would ever think of paying their employees less than the minimum wage or fiddling the books to fund their own lifestyle or even feed the horses.
No one would ever use their position to rehouse family in a brand new bungalow, expect their position to ease them out of speeding fines or pay for the dinner dates with the bit-on-the-side.
It's your choice but as I have said before, The Post is and always was intended to be a counter-balance to Hartbeat. That is its function and purpose. When Hartbeat starts giving a balanced view; so will we.
I'll take you more seriously after you you've written to the people who put Hartbeat together and complained that it should include something negative and self-critical occasionally.
After all, you believe in balance don't you? Or do you prefer just to reside in Heartbeat's land of make-believe?
It would seem our resident fruitcakes have decided to imitate the tactics of the Labour shills. When losing the argument complain to teacher that you are being bullied.
Note who quoted and replied to the Labour shill.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 13, 2017, 07: PM
Quote from: dowager on March 13, 2017, 04: PM
I enjoy Hartlepool Post on the few occassions I remember to log in.
Today I logged in and remember why I dislike it more times than I enjoy a lively debate.
The crippling, dark-dog negativity sucks the life out of even the most optimistic soul in the town.
No wonder people in the town begin to believe that life is at an end and negativity is standard about anything in the town.
Hartlepool Post is more and more an echo chamber for the dispossessed, the curiously mad and waifs and strays from the negative lives they lead.
Lighten up just a little, NOT everything that people do in the town is for themselves, NOT everything that the council do is for themselves. Even I want to hang myself reading the blackness on here some days.
SHOW SOME positivity sometimes ? It's not too hard and no wonder people turn off politics in the town when they read the tself-serving depression and overwhelming blackness that stands for 'debate' on here
what colour is the sky in your world ?
Oh the irony....................
Four, that's four separate posts to say 'if you don't like it don't log in'.
Logging in will continue
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 07: PM
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
I believe that you mk1 actually stifle healthy debate and free speech, with your prolific and mostly irrelevant posts.
Solution:
Quote from: akarjl on March 13, 2017, 06: PM
Quote from: dowager on March 13, 2017, 04: PM
I enjoy Hartlepool Post on the few occassions I remember to log in.
Today I logged in and remember why I dislike it more times than I enjoy a lively debate.
That's an easy fix.
Don't log in.
So you're now actively encouraging the few remaining members that post here to not log in..... You want the place entirely to yourself do you? Because that's where things are heading....
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 04: PM
Oh and it was me who first used the SCAB term.
Come and meet me in person, and I'll sort you out your gold medal...
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 09: PM
So you're now actively encouraging the few remaining members that post here to not log in..... You want the place entirely to yourself do you? Because that's where things are heading....
I just thought you would like to see what others said when similar complaints (to yours)were made in the past. I am not bothered in the least about any of the abuse I get and thus can not understand why others have a dicky-fit when they are confronted by a contrary opinion. I guess I just have thicker skin than you and the others.
Your pathetic veiled threat of violence (in another post) is stupid and childish. Grow up.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 09: PM
Four, that's four separate posts to say 'if you don't like it don't log in'.
Logging in will continue
My nose still has the same amount of skin as it had yesterday.
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 10: PM
I am not bothered in the least about any of the abuse I get .....
'abuse' being defined as anyone criticising Labour or expressing an opinion you object to.'
.....and thus can not understand why others have a dicky-fit when they are confronted by a contrary opinion.
You can safely be defined as a totalitarian poster who reacts with the vapours to even the concept of a contrary opinion.
Your pathetic veiled threat of violence (in another post) is stupid and childish. Grow up
'Grow up'..... might I recommend you take your own advice.
Quote from: diSme on April 12, 2021, 09: PM
So you're now actively encouraging the few remaining members that post here to not log in..... You want the place entirely to yourself do you? Because that's where things are heading....
I suspect he would like that scenario. Imagine, he could slap his own back and share fawning posts of mutual admiration for his own genius with himself. No awkward questions, right all the time (even though he thinks he is now) and no one will ever criticise his Party anymore.
However, being such a 'Contrary Mary'.....he'd quickly end up arguing with his own reflection and to avoid self combusting, end up in monastery weaving baskets, till they'd had enough.
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 10: PM
My nose still has the same amount of skin as it had yesterday.
Yes but it is getting longer every day........
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
You do not want to debate. You want a platform where you and your fruitcake mates frenetically castigate BLM & immigrants unchallenged.
Just who exactly are you referring to with those appalling accusations...?
I ask the same question yet again. Who?
For the sake of clarity I think we all now know who the real "fruit cake" is.
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
BLM
A load of old bollocks- ALL lives matter. Not just black or should I say none white?
Quoteimmigrants
I think you find most people have no issue with LEGAL immigrants.
Illegal Immigrants should be sent home. The difference between refugee seekers and economic migrants needs remembered. The people coming across the channel in small boats have paid a lot of money for the journey.
So to be clear
All lives matter who cares what colour somebody is ? I don't .
Arrive in UK illegaly = detain and repatriate.
If that makes me a fruitcake- fine proud to be a fruitcake
Standback light blue touch paper get ready for national front, skin head, BLM, US Police related videos none of which are relevant to life here in Hartlepool - not that MK0 will allow that to get in the way of his weird view of life in Hartlepool - a place he obviously hates.
Quote from: mk1 on April 12, 2021, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 12, 2021, 12: PM
, to suppress debate on any topic...........
You do not want to debate. You want a platform where you and your fruitcake mates frenetically castigate BLM & immigrants unchallenged. A safe space where you can tell each other how you won WW2 and saved the cowardly Europeans from the beastly Boche. A pulpit to preach about an imaginary 4th Reich.
You inhabit an alternate Trumpian reality and desperately seek the comfort of an echo chamber of like-minded low-educational standard blowhards.
I give you the ramblings of the 'Bitter Remainer'. Unable to comprehend how voters could be so incredibly stupid as not to listen to and obey his orders.
He represents that part of the retainer spectrum that believe they have been given divine foresight and know a lot better than the mere plebs, who probably shouldn't have been allowed to vote on the topic in the first place as in his eyes are too thick to understand it(in his ever so humble opinion).
He's part of that new shrill self serving elite, forget the old class system, the landed gentry have been replaced by box bedroom keyboard thumpers who align themselves with what the perceive to be the new social elite and conform to whims of their colourless, bland masters. Every organisation needs ranters, it's how they'work'.
Just a thought, but Mk1 on here castigating Cameron, a person I have no time for, (not so much a politician, more an oily Park Lane car salesman to me).
But I do find it ironic that when Mk1 goes into full circuit board melt down he does❤️ love ❤️to use some of Cameron's references such as loons and fruit cake repetitively. I suspect he rather admires the bloke.... or alternatively, may be a bit on the slow side at producing similar original comments🙈.