Gone are the days of middle class Tory v Labour union man and a recent betting firms comment on the London Mayor Race caught my eye. Though not about Hartlepool the same shifts in party allegiances are at work in the town and it seems the trend first exposed by the Brexit vote continues to consolidate. It is no longer rich v poor but educational standard and age are the biggest factors in how we vote
Labour dominate London nowadays
The explanation runs much deeper than personalities. Since the Johnson era, London has changed politically to profound effect. Brexit transformed the dynamics as UK politics descended into culture wars. New voting blocs were formed based on age, ethnicity and education level.
The upshot nationwide is a Tory majority, as older, whiter, Brexit-backing constituencies abandoned Labour. But in younger, diverse, graduate-rich London, they have become dominant. Even as Jeremy Corbyn led the party to catastrophic, historic defeat in 2019, Labour won two-thirds of London seats, with 48% of the vote, leading the Tories by 16%. They even gained Putney.
Bailey's brand of conservatism won't fly
London won't revert to the Tories any time soon. Their rhetoric and strategy is not aimed at courting those voter groups. Picking culture war fights, demonising 'woke' culture, associating with hard-right rhetoric and personalities, amounts to electoral suicide in any metropolitan city in 2021. That was not how Boris Johnson won London. Quite the reverse - he constantly stressed liberal credentials.
Quote from: mk1 on April 08, 2021, 02: PM
Gone are the days of middle class Tory v Labour union man
Correct people have wised up to the lying labour rabble- time to give someone else a chance.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 08, 2021, 03: PM
give someone else a chance.
but:
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 05, 2019, 08: PM
unfortunately Conservatives have no chance
so vote Prescott
https://www.facebook.com/TheReformPartyUK/posts/769022643982502
Quote from: mk1 on April 08, 2021, 04: PM
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 08, 2021, 03: PM
give someone else a chance.
but:
Quote from: akarjl2 on December 05, 2019, 08: PM
unfortunately Conservatives have no chance
so vote Prescott
https://www.facebook.com/TheReformPartyUK/posts/769022643982502
I guess it just shows some of us are not stuck living in the past....
Don't bite. The gross caricatures of profiling voters in the first post are irrelevant bait, a diversion.
A dead end which is best not travelled down.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 08, 2021, 06: PM
The gross caricatures of profiling voters
Incorrect.
The results of the survey's done on the Brexit vote clearly showed that age and level of education were the two biggest differences in the camps. Since then the drift has continued and if unchecked we will eventually end up like it is in the USA where politics is completely polarised and imbeciles like Trump is seen as fit to lead a nation.
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A link to the BBC report on the demographics of voters 2017
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Old news 4 years ago.....
Makes no difference to the conclusions. It seems that the Conservative base is now mainly the old with a low level of formal education.
Given that fact it is now obvious why those parties lower down the ladder (UKIP/Brexit party/EDL) have such thugs in their midst
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Follow-up studies confirm the original conclusions
Sunday Times Sunday March 10 2019
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Quote from: mk1 on April 08, 2021, 07: PM
the Conservative base is now mainly the old with a low level of formal education.
Speak for yourself.......we went to same school, I don't know which path you then followed or care really but afterwards I spent 12 years obtaining professional qualifications lol.....when given the choice I voted to leave and WILL vote Conservative as a protest vote against the so called working mans party...Labour.
If you bother reading the drivel you quoted:
2 years old article
QuoteScientists now claim......
Results suggest
Leavers tend to be
Appear more reliant on
Bottom line is who gives a rats about Brexit? Old news.
Or the opinions of some scientists two years ago....
Give your head a shake and vote Conservative you know it makes sense. :)
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 09, 2021, 06: AM
Speak for yourself.......we went to same school, I don't know which path you then followed or care really but afterwards I spent 12 years obtaining professional qualifications
Isaac Newton spent decades trying to find the philosophers stone. Conan Doyle was hoodwinked by a couple of schoolkids and declared the Cottingley fairies to be genuine. Also did you ever listen when your teachers explained the concept of 'averages'? Amusing that you fall back on the far-right trope'
the war on the experts' whilst at the same time claiming to be some sort of expert.
There are too many surveys all with the same conclusion for you to able to discredit them.
How about this one:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320
ABSTRACT
Previous analyses of the 2016 Brexit referendum used region-level data or small samples based
on polling data. The former might be subject to ecological fallacy and the latter might suffer
from small-sample bias. We use individual-level data on thousands of respondents in Understanding Society, the UK's largest household survey, which includes the EU referendum question. We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction[[/size]/b]. These results coincide with corresponding patterns at the aggregate level of voting areas. We therefore do not find evidence of ecological fallacy. In addition, we show that prediction accuracy is geographically heterogeneous across UK regions, with strongly pro-Leave and strongly pro-Remain areas easier to predict. We also show that among individuals with similar socio-economic characteristics, Labour supporters are more likely to support Remain while Conservative supporters are more likely to support LeaveWhilst you are desperate to deflect from the results and try and make it about Brexit you will not succeed. It is a survey of those who
voted Brexit and has nothing to do with Brexit itself.
I urge anyone trying to claim this is not an accurate depiction of the mindset to search through the old posts here from the UKIP supporters. They were embarrassingly dim and were barely literate. The elected councillors were thick as planks and used to promote idiotic conspiracy theories. The main UKIP man in Hartlepool used to bang on about 'British History' all the time but then wrote to The Mail claiming that Churchill was the man who replaced Chamberlain and then declared war on Germany.
Note to the head scratchers: Chamberlain declared war on Germany in 1939. Churchill replaced him as PM in 1940
there are lots more of these gems here from Britsh history lovers:
Quote from: Julie noted on June 18, 2012, 05: PM
The appeasers for this rogue concept remind me of Anthony Eden, waving his bit of paper, declaring 'peace in our time'.
Quote from: mk1 on April 09, 2021, 12: PM
claiming to be some sort of expert.
Nope the implication was the only people who vote Conservative are
Quotemainly the old with a low level of formal education
Yet again sat on the fence you make generalisations......which are wrong.
I am educated , academically and professionally - and yes I have been described as an "expert" on certain maritime matters.....
and I intend voting for the conservative candidate.
Next...........
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 09, 2021, 12: PM
Nope the implication was the only people who vote Conservative are
The first post (about London) does not 'imply' anything. It states it in plain English:
New voting blocs were formed based on age, ethnicity and education level.
The upshot nationwide is a Tory majority, as older, whiter, Brexit-backing constituencies abandoned Labour. But in younger, diverse, graduate-rich London, they have become dominant. .................London won't revert to the Tories any time soon. Their rhetoric and strategy is not aimed at courting those voter groups. Picking culture war fights, demonising 'woke' culture, associating with hard-right rhetoric and personalities, amounts to electoral suicide in any metropolitan city in 2021.(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/qUJTpl.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmqUJTplj)
The 'Brexit' survey makes no distinction between Tory or Labour Brexit voters in its conclusions .
and?
Nobody cares...we have had enough.
One of inger-lands finest.
https://vimeo.com/534908112
Takes the time to go to London to 'protect' his hero Churchill. However things go badly wrong when the interviewer asks him why Churchill is important. The muppet has no idea what Churchill did. . He only knows the name and is reduced to mumbling a series of random slogans and the obligatory Hitler/WW2 reference. He is a complete plank and the perfect example of the low-information, low educational standard right-wing activist.
and we should care because?
'Workers' were outvoted by those on 'benefits'
A majority of those working full-time or part-time voted to remain in the EU; most of those not working voted to leave. More than half of those retired on a private pension voted to leave, as did two thirds of those retired on a state pension
More than half on a private pension voted to leave.....
Isn't that looking after no1 after 46 yrs paying tax.
Quote from: stokoe on February 16, 1975, 04: PM
Isn't that looking after no1 after 46 yrs paying tax.
Tax is an agreement with the state where the state will pay you no matter if it can not afford to. The system is set up where the burden of looking after the old is borne by the current working population. There is no bank of savings that pays pensions. You may say that is wrong and
'I paid in so I deserve to get my money back' but the system does not work that way. The growing number of old people and the lack of young workers 'paying in' will come back to haunt us in a few years. The triple lock on pensions is not sustainable.
Anways.......... Others might think that doing the best for the grandkids was more important. Citizenship has 'responsibilities' as well as 'rights'.
If you look at all the surveys you will find nationalism was a big factor with over 80% of the leave camp seeing themselves as English rather than British.
I fear fragmentation of the UK has started and it will not end well.
Quote from: mk1 on April 09, 2021, 06: PM
I fear fragmentation of the UK has started and it will not end well.
A few years ago you would have replaced
QuoteUK
with
QuoteEU
Bring it on...the sooner Scotland Wales and NI are told to get on with it the better.
Citizen Robespierre Mk 2 continues his chuntering. He just can't kept go. The one good thing for him those he can look down on the underlings and plebs who wouldn't listen avidly to his superior intellect and chose to ignore him.
Gives you a warm glow, nobody listened to you because sneering snobs like you just add to your problem. People like you were hoist by your own petard. Ironic, deliciously so.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
. sneering snobs like.............
.............those you wish to make your masters.
Hear what Daddy Boris thinks about his son's devoted followers:
https://vimeo.com/535260573
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
Citizen Robespierre Mk 2 continues his chuntering. He just can't kept go. The one good thing for him those he can look down on the underlings and plebs who wouldn't listen avidly to his superior intellect and chose to ignore him.
Gives you a warm glow, nobody listened to you because sneering snobs like you just add to your problem. People like you were hoist by your own petard. Ironic, deliciously so.
I count no less than
10 allusions to me personally in that short (but badly constructed) screed. If you keep this up you will give yourself a cornetto, sorry I mean coronary. I don't know how the ice cream reference crept in. Guess I am a bit of a flake..............
Quote from: mk1 on April 10, 2021, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 03: PM
Citizen Robespierre Mk 2 continues his chuntering. He just can't kept go. The one good thing for him those he can look down on the underlings and plebs who wouldn't listen avidly to his superior intellect and chose to ignore him.
Gives you a warm glow, nobody listened to you because sneering snobs like you just add to your problem. People like you were hoist by your own petard. Ironic, deliciously so.
I count no less than 10 allusions to me personally in that short (but badly constructed) screed. If you keep this up you will give yourself a cornetto, sorry I mean coronary. I don't know how the ice cream reference crept in. Guess I am a bit of a flake..............
I suspect what he is trying to say is - nobody cares what you think, your opinion or your analysis of all things past and present.
The world moves on even if you don't. Nobody cares what happened elsewhere or in the past...it is a different world post Brexit and covid restricted ....the old rules don't apply.
Fingers crossed we get a Tory MP and get rid of the village idiot Labour tossers.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 10, 2021, 05: PM
nobody cares .................
But it seems you do.
How many times have you quoted/replied to me so far?
Example-as in just one of many
Quote from: akarjl2 on March 16, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on March 16, 2021, 05: PM
How about Shane for Conservative candidate?
Don't think so I think the house of commons bar is shut so no real incentive to get involved.......
I was in North Lancs last year on a farm and had my terrier with me, he tried to chase a fox who appeared in the farmyard but it escaped, the grandmother saw me retrieving him and she said "He's a terrier love, it's what they do!".
Just like old Citizen Robespierre Mk1 on here. He's a Labour foot soldier, he get's his orders and knows orders are orders and just keeps banging out the same old disruptive, distracting posts, but to paraphrase the grandmother on the farm ..... "He's a political dog whistler, it's what they do ....when they're told to."
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 10, 2021, 07: PM
I was in North Lancs last year on a farm and had my terrier with me, he tried to chase a fox who appeared in the farmyard but it escaped, the grandmother saw me retrieving him and she said "He's a terrier love, it's what they do!".
Balls are much easier to catch. Fortunately I have lots of balls.................
https://vimeo.com/532427223
If you have more than two I'd contact a doctor urgently, do you get any pain?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 11, 2021, 08: AM
If you have more than two I'd contact a doctor
Why? I once borrowed a spare from Hitler and started a business:
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Load of balls eh, that makes sense.