I recall the day after the blaze, some bulky Labour figure appearing the next day and telling us it would all be OK. Well...... I don't want a be a wet blanket, but why can I still see those charred rafters every time I pull out of Lauder Street ?
Building is a white elephant with no real purpose. It suffers from the usual Hartlepool disease where anything 'old' is deemed worthy of preservation as it is 'part of our 'eritage. Both it and the Grand Hotel are just not yet aware they actually are dead and in the normal 'artlepool way will be allowed to slowly decay and mysteriously burn-down because no one dare say out loud that they should be levelled.
If you want to see it before the fire the Google street view has an option to go back as far as 2009
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Levelling buildings has been a Hartlepool trademark for years, surprised you're part of the philistine clique. We could always replace them with some concrete tribute to to poor architectural practice which seems to be the preferred option. Failing that there's the perennial option of a car park or some grassed area covered in the sort of shrubs irresistible to plastic bags. A bland windswept soulless concrete nowhere may delight you, but I prefer something with a bit of character.
That said you seem to prefer the 'let it all rot option' if my memory serves me well and have always been witheringly disparaging about the town.
The obsession with preserving' the past is difficult to understand but I believe its mainly the old folk looking back to their glory days and wanting to keep the memories alive. Everyone drones on about the good old days when you could leave your front door open-despite the fact there never were such days and they forget the poverty, illness and early deaths that came with the damp pokey old houses they so fondly remember. Millions have been thrown away trying to 'renovate ' Church Street when clearly most of the old buildings are crumbling and falling to bits. Take a good look at the facade of the old bank on the corner of the Station entrance and tell me that can be saved without a complete removal of all the stonework. Thinking back to the 1970s Church Street was known as the rough end of town even then. Fights were common and I remember someone got beaten to death in the old Devon. It amazes me how nowdays people whimsically rabbit on about the old 'hard men' who used to go around beating people to pulp and stealing their money. They wistfully harp back to them 'dealing with the druggies' etc when it is a fact they were the biggest dealers in the area. Sorry I have no fond memories of these brainless thugs no matter what fancy name they gave themselves.
So once a building is no longer fit for its original job then begone with it. If you look at the most famous piece of the UK (Piccadilly Circus) and check photos from the 1950s with today then virtually every single building is new build. Regent Street was extensively remodelled in the late 1950s but because they kept to the same style hardly anyone notices.
Just as death is a part of life so demolition is a part of progress
You do talk tosh.
We can turn Hartlepoolinto a sterile Milton Keynes if you like, but I just know you'd never be happy because all you have for this town is snarling contempt. I'm surprised you've hung about the place so long, unless of course you achieve some bizarre pleasure from it. Why not try the brave new world of Peterlee, it's only up the road, a glorified big housing estate with a few shops and not a nasty old building to offend your brave new world senses. You'd looooooove the blandness of it all and should fit in seamlessly.
Quote from: mk1 on March 31, 2021, 11: AM
The obsession with preserving' the past is difficult to understand but I believe its mainly the old folk looking back to their glory days and wanting to keep the memories alive. Everyone drones on about the good old days when you could leave your front door open-despite the fact there never were such days and they forget the poverty, illness and early deaths that came with the damp pokey old houses they so fondly remember.
What a strange world of self righteous sneering you must dwell in.
It amazes me how nowdays people whimsically rabbit on about the old 'hard men' who used to go around beating people to pulp and stealing their money. They wistfully harp back to them 'dealing with the druggies' etc when it is a fact they were the biggest dealers in the area. Sorry I have no fond memories of these brainless thugs no matter what fancy name they gave themselves.
I suspect you watched Mad Max movies a tad too many times
So once a poster is no longer fit for its original job then begone with it.
That's your time up then.
Just as death is a part of life so demolition is a part of progress
Well if that's progress, fingers crossed you'll be getting your demolition order in the post shortly.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 02, 2021, 06: AM
You do talk tosh.
We can turn Hartlepool into a sterile Milton Keynes if you like
I gave an example of rebuilding to pre-empt any(completely predictable) carping about new buildings but as usual you have your views and nothing as trivial as facts are going to knock you off your hobby horse.
Quote from: mk1 on March 31, 2021, 11: AM
So once a building is no longer fit for its original job then begone with it. If you look at the most famous piece of the UK (Piccadilly Circus) and check photos from the 1950s with today then virtually every single building is new build.
This is Piccadilly Circus in 1959 and a modern view.
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To help you understand it more easily check the area in the red square in the two photos. Note I have used a different 1959 view here because it is clearer so try not to get too confused:
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Everything in the red square is new-build.
Quote from: mk1 on April 02, 2021, 07: AM
Pointless sh**e about old buildings
Just to save people from the latest post from our resident hypnotist :)
Quote from: mk1 on April 02, 2021, 07: AM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 02, 2021, 06: AM
You do talk tosh.
We can turn Hartlepool into a sterile Milton Keynes if you like
I gave an example of rebuilding to pre-empt any(completely predictable) carping about new buildings but as usual you have your views and nothing as trivial as facts are going to knock you off your hobby horse.
Quote from: mk1 on March 31, 2021, 11: AM
So once a building is no longer fit for its original job then begone with it. If you look at the most famous piece of the UK (Piccadilly Circus) and check photos from the 1950s with today then virtually every single building is new build.
This is Piccadilly Circus in 1959 and a modern view.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/mBY2gO.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnmBY2gOj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/iaLyQz.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pniaLyQzj)
To help you understand it more easily check the area in the red square in the two photos. Note I have used a different 1959 view here because it is clearer so try not to get too confused:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/wuuW2P.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/powuuW2Pj)
Everything in the red square is new-build.
Patronising as ever. Pomposity and the urge to go completely over the top to prove absolutely nothing as per your trademark.
Part of a statement from Mk1
Everyone drones on about the good old days when you could leave your front door open-despite the fact there never were such days and they forget the poverty, illness and early deaths that came with the damp pokey old houses they so fondly remember.
I lived in those days and in those "damp pokey old houses" and it was a fact that you could leave your door unlocked,in fact a lot of people had the door key hanging on a piece of string that could be reached through the letter box so anyone could get in. The difference was that everyone knew who lived there and were honest enough not to take advantage and to challenge anyone they saw trying to get in a house where they had no business being.
The good old days when you're parents give you a clip round the ear for saying you had just been groped by the local Priest :(
Quote from: Topcat on April 05, 2021, 09: AM
I lived in those days and in those "damp pokey old houses" and it was a fact that you could leave your door unlocked,in fact a lot of people had the door key hanging on a piece of string that could be reached through the letter box so anyone could get in. The difference was that everyone knew who lived there and were honest enough not to take advantage and to challenge anyone they saw trying to get in a house where they had no business being.
The point I was making was that the March 24 1950 page from The Times (which is in another thread and not clearly stated-my fault) showed that even in those 'good old days' people were complaining about the current 'high' crime rate and how much better it was in their 'good old days'. There never were any such 'good old days'.
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Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 05, 2021, 10: AM
The good old days when you're parents give you a clip round the ear for saying you had just been groped by the local Priest
In my day there was not the hysteria that now surrounds this issue. You knew who the weirdos were and you avoided them if you were on your own and tormented them if you were in a gang. Just like you could pop down the docks and jump in for a swim. Not to say it was not a problem but that children were never made to live their lives in constant fear of such people.
To pre-empt another old chestnut. Crime increased by c. 56% durung WW II
Quote from: mk1 on April 05, 2021, 12: PM
To pre-empt another old chestnut. Crime increased by c. 56% durung WW II
It did in every country actually, because the opportunities were there to facilitate the thieving and black market activities. It's not news. Even the Russians were not exempt despite draconian measures.
Quote from: mk1 on April 05, 2021, 11: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on April 05, 2021, 10: AM
The good old days when you're parents give you a clip round the ear for saying you had just been groped by the local Priest
In my day there was not the hysteria that now surrounds this issue. You knew who the weirdos were and you avoided them if you were on your own and tormented them if you were in a gang. Just like you could pop down the docks and jump in for a swim. Not to say it was not a problem but that children were never made to live their lives in constant fear of such people.
There would have been if they'd came to surface, but these things were hushed up depending on your social standing. Priests could get away with it thanks to the blind obedience of their congregation and a belief such things were not possible ..... and what passed for a less than informative media.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 05, 2021, 04: PM
. Priests could get away with it thanks to the blind obedience of their congregation and a belief such things were not possible ..... and what passed for a less than informative media.
As both GD and I went to the same school (run by Friars/Priests) I think we know what went on.
Quote from: mk1 on April 05, 2021, 05: PM
As both GD and I went to the same school (run by Friars/Priests) I think we know what went on.
Mmmm interesting I went to the same school - don't recall any of the priests/brothers trying to make a glove puppet out of ME. Theso Called PE teacher was a sadistic thug however.
Jack?
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Quote from: mk1 on April 05, 2021, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 05, 2021, 04: PM
. Priests could get away with it thanks to the blind obedience of their congregation and a belief such things were not possible ..... and what passed for a less than informative media.
As both GD and I went to the same school (run by Friars/Priests) I think we know what went on.
Thank God ...... or whoever... I went to a state school.
Quote from: mk1 on April 05, 2021, 06: PM
Jack?
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Yep and his nutcase priest brother who had a nervous breakdown.
Their only vice at school was alcohol that I know of.
I always thought Jack was a fair man, other teachers were far worse.
Not wishing to waste energy, time or breath on the piece of s**t, imho he was a sadistic bully....if you were not a gifted natural footballer, cricketer or athlete he made your life a misery. I suffered from asthma and had surgery also shortly after starting at the school. J sneered at me, ridiculed anyone who didn't fit in with his concept of "right" and belittled anyone who was not part of his chosen few.On one occasion threatened me with cane and expulsion for something I hadn't done. 15 years later as a ultra fit black belt I had my time with him in a pub and told him his fortune. Hopefully he's dead now, if not suffering on his own. Last I will say about him.
There was an American Brother there who always went in the changing rooms with the boys when we visited the Baths. He used to sit 'akimbo', always. I vividly remember Jack making a classmate cry in class. The boy (TP) lived the far side of Middlesbrough and used to get to school a little after 9 (bus connections) and Jack started calling him when he walked late in to his class .After a long tirade the boy broke down and explained he only had his mother and she really put herself out to get him there despite her own job. Jack was having none of it and he called him a little girl and he should try 'being a man' and stop blubbering. The Physics teacher there once slapped me so hard in the face during a lesson that my nose started bleeding but it was such a common everyday thing no one even blinked, thought it unusual or worthy of a complaint .
You have to have been taught by Catholic Nuns/Priest/Brothers to realise how hands-on' they all were when it came to discipline.
I found the Nuns at the Convent prep school much worse !
like i said J was a sadist i hope he's rotting in hell or choking for breath somewhere on his own bricking it about heading to whatever hell he deserves.
According to Facebook (about 6 months back)still around and a regular churchgoer
Quote from: mk1 on April 06, 2021, 01: PM
According to Facebook (about 6 months back)still around and a regular churchgoer
Disappointing, can't have long left now hopefully.
Thank god or whoever for Boss Howard..
Who was the dodgy priest at cuthies father fit*p**ri** .? Glad I went to bedes 😮
I remember that, came as quite a surprise, he was quite popular. He disappeared overnight from Cuthies and it was on some minor 'ecumenical matter'. Hmmmm.