According to the front of tonight's Mail we have 3.2 million visitors heading to the town annually, which equates to an average of 8767 visitors every day throughout the year.
Really?
What do they class as a 'visitor' ? People travelling through on the train in fact anyone who crosses the town boundary or even migrating birds?
Don't forget the shoplifters who arrive then turn back when they realise there are mainly charity shops......
And they manage to spend over £400,000 a day ?
Next they will be telling us Trump won the election.
What is more worrying about this article is the fact that the buffoons in the Civic Centre think that the Town will believe them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shame on you Hartlepool Mail for failing to even run a rudimentary arithmetical check of the wild claims.
The town is goosed
It's is obvious that
Quote from: the_exile on November 10, 2016, 07: PMthe buffoons in the Civic Centre
don't actually care what anyone in the town thinks until they are wandering around aimlessly banging on doors at election time grovelling for votes.
How exactly do they "know" there have been 3.2 million visitors a year? Since when did we have border control on the A689 and 181 actually who's come in? Pure fantasy - actually a pack of lies they can not substantiate.
Very similar to claims often made about jobs "created" in the town by the various "agencies" Hartlepool is quickly turning into the land that time forgot.
I want to know how this figure was arrived at. What data was used to give us this optimistic vision. I think it's important such figures can be justified and feel there should be open access to the process in greater depth so as to verify it's claims.
It's no good churning this stuff out and expecting us to take it at face value.
Quote from: Riddler5 on November 11, 2016, 07: AM
I want to know how this figure was arrived at. What data was used to give us this optimistic vision. I think it's important such figures can be justified and feel there should be open access to the process in greater depth so as to verify it's claims.
It's no good churning this stuff out and expecting us to take it at face value.
Completely agree...then again I would also like to win the lottery.......until there is a thorough investigation of the antics at HBC nothing will happen. Maybe an email to BBC "Inside Out" - Chris Jackson chrisjackson@bbc.co.uksuggesting they do some research on this forum? ;) they could fill a whole program reporting on events at the Kremlin?
In 1 sentence STEAM quote 2.8 million visitors, in another the quote 3.2 million visitors, it isn't just the misinformation in the article that is troubling, it is the fact the Mail copy & paste techician didn't pick up on those glaring anomalies.
We had exactly the same misrepresentation of facts & figures after the 2010 Tall Stories, the Mail didn't pick up on any of those, what did hapen was that HBC under Drummond defended those figures, indeed boasted about them both in the press & in the council chamber.
It is becoming more apparent every week that HBC are, for whatever reason supporting the policies of the ruling group in council, rather than managing the business of running Hartlepool for the people of Hartlepool.
Can I ask why anybody even bothers to read The Mail anymore. I mean in paper form and web form.
There are so many assumptions and estimations involved in producing this data as to render it pretty much useless.
It's largely based on bed occupancy rates in local hotels and B&Bs and all 'occupants' are classed as tourists. One average national spend seems to be applied to all 'occupants' so the figure is influenced by genuine tourists visiting the likes of London, Edinburgh etc
The link below is worth a read if only to appreciate what a load of tosh it is in a Hartlepool context.
http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publication/LM/cms/pdf/STEAM%20OVERVIEW~%20Eng-Wal-NI.pdf (http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publication/LM/cms/pdf/STEAM%20OVERVIEW~%20Eng-Wal-NI.pdf)
So, according to the Mail (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/national-museum-royal-navy-hartlepool-bosses-launch-cash-appeal-over-ps63m-loss-income-start-lockdown-2611033) our beloved naval museum gets 3.64 million visitors a year, which equates to almost 10k visitors per day....... ???
I'd be genuinely surprised if it took even 10% of those numbers.
My question, similar to what has been posed earlier in the thread, where do these figures come from?
They really should start drugs testing the idiots that write/publish this obvious rubbish
The figure equated to roughly 8,500 visitors a day, every day of the year which stretches credulity to new limits. I can only assume they include passenger aircraft flying over the towns airspace and migrating birds and probably the daily evening Amsterdam ferry if it enters Hartlepool's territorial waters.
If my memory's correct, 'visitors' to the Marina area included the likes of everyone who's popped into Asda for a newspaper ....
Im sure the figures also include anyone from outside of Hartlepool who comes into town for shopping etc eg my sister who travels from Peterlee to shop at Morrison's
Just to put this onto some context, we were under the guiding hand of the Lavender Hill Mob at the time. These sort of things were regularly being churned out from the land of make believe.
The article I posted specifically refers to the naval museum only, and was only published yesterday...
'Vision Central' aka the Civic centre, aka 'The Viz' is responsible for all the tosh!
Under the Lavender Hill Mob this tosh was churned out on a regular basis and anything regarding statistics I assume was achieved by allowing an excitable chimp loose with a malfunctioning calculator to bang away at the keys till some numbers came up. The brains trust, who I imagine never mastered the black art of mathematics ('This adding up box.....tis the work of the Tories and electrickery I tell thee') were hardly in a position to make sense of anything involving numbers and 'hard sums'.
They appeared to work on the principle of throwing out lots of vague/wishful statistics and hoping those voters with the IQ of the average envelope would take it as Gospel, swallow it hook line and sinker and vote for them.
They appeared to dedicate themselves to blowing their own trumpet all the time in office. They did a bit of philosophical belching and pressed a few buttons and achieved nothing.
My only question is how they survived longer than a week.
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What about protecting people?
The museum in Hartlepool, a recreation of 18th Century seaport, gets 3.64 million visitors a year, generating over £182 million a year for the local economy.
By my reckoning, that's £50.55 for each of the 3.6 million visitors! So roughly £425,000 a day at Hartlepool! I might get Diane Abbott to check those figures, though.
You have to laugh at the bit from the Mail. Is there any wonder why their circulation is at rock bottom.
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More than two thirds of staff and volunteers across all sites have been furloughed to help protect finances and people are being asked make cash donations online.
What about protecting people?
The museum in Hartlepool, a recreation of 18th Century seaport, gets 3.64 million visitors a year, generating over £182 million a year for the local economy.
By my reckoning, that's £50.55 for each of the 3.6 million visitors! So roughly £425,000 a day at Hartlepool! I might get Diane Abbott to check those figures, though.
You have to laugh at the bit from the Mail. Is there any wonder why their circulation is at rock bottom.
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Exactly my point!
Journalism really isn't what it used to be. I suspect the so-called journalists rarely leave the office these days. They just parrot out whatever bull***t they are fed.
Quote from: diSme on May 02, 2020, 03: PM
Exactly my point!
Journalism really isn't what it used to be. I suspect the so-called journalists rarely leave the office these days. They just parrot out whatever bull***t they are fed.
There is no journalism anymore, just a steady, stodgy diet of tittle tattle, the utterly banal and wishful thinking from afar. The North Korea Daily has more investigative journalism than anything you'll find in this town.
Trawling through the pages of our local press for local news is difficult to say the least, but hoping to find real news is now a pointless exercise. If it wasn't for social media we'd now be living in some Orwellian never land were meaningful investigative news /reporting was carefully avoided.