Put Hartlepool First

[Lord Elpus]

I can't remember when I last saw a UKIP member at either a neighbourhood forum of a Council meeting.  I've had this argument with Pascoe and Springer many times, they fail to take an active part in local politics, apart from when their boozers for the chop or there's a local election.

[lynda]

With all due respect and the fact that i am a novice at all this, thats exactly why people dont bother to vote at all. If less time was spent arguing between parties, and they agreed to differ, then alot more might get done. Please dont come back at me with big words, because ive already made a coffee, without boiling the kettle  :

[beanzontoast]

Maybe the right thing to do Elpus is to get dressed up as a monkey and the people of hartlepool might vote after all one man did it and he probably didn`t go to a council meeting either, either way Elpus it`s a pretty shallow argument. I again mention PHF are a group of people not a party, with no policies, and therefore no identity in a larger arena there are other towns other than Hartlepool, as a further note I didn`t see any PHF members at any of the Gypsy site consultations which is a local issue of some importance don`t you think, I did however see in attendance members of UKIP.

[mo the lawn]

Sorry but  your wrong i was at  a meeting  do you know all the members i very much doubt it

[mk1]

. I again mention PHF are a group of people not a party, with no policies, and therefore no identity in a larger arena there are other towns other than Hartlepool

Let me get this straight. Because PHF have no office in (say)  Bradford West or Penzance then they are  incapable of dealing with issues in the 200 or so streets were they were elected?

The cat was let out of the bag with this post:

it`s a wasted vote as there is a UKIP candidate who has a national party behind him and is the fastest growing party frequently mentioned in the media and on television,

UKIP has only one objective-to keep its name in the headlines. Hartlepool is on no more importance than as a simple statistic to be used next time Nigel has an interview.
Boll*ocks to Hartlepool and the corruption at MR and all hail the couple of hundred votes they gained that (might) let the drunken squaddie back in.

they fail to take an active part in local politics, apart from when their boozers for the chop or there's a local election.

UKIP have gone for the 'working man's vote' Because of this they have a raft of promises that revolve around reducing the  stigma connected to drinking and smoking. It appears they are obsessed with pubs and fags. They obviously hope the same  'working men' fail to notice their promises to  dismantle the Health and Safety system and abolish all Employment Rights and the Minimum Wage.
Vote for City Boy  Nigel and  third world working conditions for those at the bottom whilst he hides millions in his brothers name to avoid tax.

[Stig of the Seaton Dump]

I think it is fair to say the Councillor positions are all about the person and not the party.

The political party they belong to is irrelevant apart from the fact it groups them together in little clubs.

Labour in Hartlepool are in no way staunch socialists, Tories don't seem to have much enterprise about them and I don't think a  UKIP councillor will make any difference to Hartlepool being part of the EEC or not.

The best we can hope for is an individual that cares and isn't too self serving.
Hearing the audio of the last council meeting, there are not many of them about.

Maybe that would be a different if the level above them cared about Hartlepool or had some influence, unfortunately
Iain Wright doesn't tick any boxes in my opinion.   

[beanzontoast]

All political party`s want to keep themselves in the headlines, some want to keep in power at any cost, UKIP are no exception in this nor is the mud slinging it usually comes from those that are worried about the continuing rise and support in and increased membership, and remember it was the Labour party who gave us Mass Immigration, and the Human Rights Act, and yes the tory`s are no better, the question is will the voters on the 15th change their voting habbit of a lifetime and vote in a UKIP or a PHF councillor, a UKIP councillor would have the council worried a PHF councillor it will be business as usual. we wait and see. 

[Mr Mister]

PHF are there supporting genuine people that this town has let down badly,,,,,,,,,,,very badly. Time to get the old out and the new in !!!

I'm sorry Jimbo, I don't mean to single you out in any way but, you say "supporting genuine people" and it makes me ask, who's the genuine people they are supporting, I understand Lynda is one person, so who are the rest?

With respect, your argument gets weaker every time you post on the subject, in my view.

[Mr Mister]

All political party`s want to keep themselves in the headlines, some want to keep in power at any cost, UKIP are no exception in this nor is the mud slinging it usually comes from those that are worried about the continuing rise and support in and increased membership, and remember it was the Labour party who gave us Mass Immigration, and the Human Rights Act, and yes the tory`s are no better, the question is will the voters on the 15th change their voting habbit of a lifetime and vote in a UKIP or a PHF councillor, a UKIP councillor would have the council worried a PHF councillor it will be business as usual. we wait and see.

I like the Human Rights Act and have little problem with it, also either way UKIP or PHF wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference in the Cremlin.

At the rate PHF are going, I would be long dead and buried/burned by the time they have enough councillors to make any difference in this town.

[mk1]

remember it was the Labour party who gave us Mass Immigration, and the Human Rights Act,

They also gave us the minimum wage.
Can you explain why UKIP are going to get rid of it?

If the question is not the kind of publicity you want then please feel free to  ignore it.

A vote for UKIP is a vote for slave wages..............Angie is a natural UKIP supporter!

[beanzontoast]

Now there you go mk1 the mud slinging Labour may have given the minimum wage, but they put up the council charge every year they were in power, the coalition in the meantime has frozen it for the last three years, and increased the personal allowance to £10,000 reducing tax is the best way to put money in peoples pockets this includes Hartlepool,and millions of people outside of Hartlepool are concerned about Immigration, and the Human rights act and a reason for many people voting Labour in the town may be summed up in a poster the Tory`s put up nationally ( Labour isn`t working ) and as a lifelong Labour voter told me why he voted labour it was he said a matter of survival I wonder what he meant it`s not difficult to figure out, my guess is they will return another Labour councillor it`s a matter of survival you see.

[beanzontoast]

Iv`e looked on the UKIP website and can`t find any reference to removal of the minimum wage will have a better look some other time. I did notice UKIP wanted to increase the Taxable allowance to £13,000 now thats the way to do it what do you think mk1

[mk1]

This is how UKIP see the wage/holidays/working hours regulations:

UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays and holiday, overtime, redundancy or sick pay etc. and provide a statutory, standard, very short employment contract template. The first column would contain the main areas – such as days' holiday or weekly working hours, the second column would show a typical figure for all employees (or employees in that specific type of business) and the employer would enter a figure into the third column (which might be more or less generous than the figure in the second).


So can we take it you agree with all the above?

[mk1]

reducing tax is the best way to put money in peoples pockets

Yes. We all know how the latest tax reductions put pennies in the pockets of the ordinary workers and 1,000 of pounds in the pockets of the already wealthy.

The poor need sanctioning and the wealthy need incentives.

Vote UKIP so City Traders like Nigel can keep more of their profits..............

[beanzontoast]

Mk1 there will always be those that have more money than others, and there will be those that continually moan about it, Hartlepool dosen`t have the monopoly on this either. Let me tell you a story there was a young German lad who walked a hundred miles accross Germany to a port you see this lad had a dream of working on ships, he stowed away on a boat bound for America, he became so ill with sea sickness he only got as far as England Hartlepool in fact, he jumped ship and decided to build ships instead of working on them His name was ROPNER
and as they say the rest is history. another one then Freddie Mercury was asked the question about his millions like this well its alright for you with all your money but what would you do if you lost it all tomorrow,his reply was I would just make it back, the world is full of those who have had very little and made life better for themselves its our human condition to do this moaning about the have`s and the have not`s is just the politics of envy.