Splitting the Vote in Manor

[brassed off monkey]

...and how did the tories do, Mr Moore?

They took 3 Labour Seats in Rural West

[not4me]

Exactly, they conned a load of Tory voters into adding 3 seats to the Labour total. I seem to remember that they lost a 4th seat completely somewhere too. I don't think Mr Moore is in a position to criticise anyone.

[SRMoore]

The semantics are quite relevant. PHF either "took four council seats from a standing start" or they took one seat (though that one seat was a very good effort). All of the big claims don't sound as grand without the added spin.

Obviously that nerve is still sore, Stephen. Years of climbing the greasy pole for UKIP and then having the MEP job you desperately wanted snatched away must had been pretty sickening. I can understand, like you said an MEP position is worth a few million these days.

As for me? I'm just interested in making a positive difference to the town I grew up in and the people I grew up with. I'm not really one to chase the money.

[DRiddle]

Shane, speaking as someone who has met you a few times, chewed the fat a bit over local politics etc. I think I can speak objectively on this one.

People on here, and I imagine throughout the town, recognise the contribution you make politically. I've seen you out on the beach with a team of people picking up litter, I've seen you in the council chamber questioning Labour about why HBC essentially funds the unions.

I've seen you working with the next generation of youngsters who will one day become the councillors of the future (assuming they switch parties    ).

No one doubts your commitment. I certainly don't.

It's also a lot more common than people might think for a blue collar worker (your words not mine) to be a conservative. It happens a lot out of deference usually. That's your choice, I have no problem with that.

The issue I think people have is that you potentially would offer something within council.... but... you've aligned yourself with a group of people who have formed a coalition with Labour.

A group absolutely juxtaposed politically to everything your party has ever looked to represent.

People find that difficult to stomach on a number of levels for various reasons.

I'd be a member of the local Labour party if I thought that they were actually genuine socialists who truly wanted to make a difference to the wider population of the town... but I don't think they are... so i'm not.

I'd be a member of local conservative party if I thought they were genuine conservatives who would use their ability to create wealth in the private sector and ensure it appropriately trickled down and created jobs and improvements in wider society..... but I don't think they are.... so i'm not.

As for me? I'm just interested in making a positive difference to the town I grew up in and the people I grew up with.

I agree with that though. That's why I joined PHF.

 

[DRiddle]

I'd be a member of local conservative party if

.... I made that bit up by the way. I wouldn't be... 

[SRMoore]

I'm not naive enough to believe that, Stephen.

Maybe if you spent less time on your conservative party career you might have more time to actually make that diifference to the town where you (and I, don't forget) grew up in!

Conservative party career? Really? If that was my motive I'd have taken up one of the three job offers to work for the party. Yet here I am in Hartlepool (instead of London) balancing a full time job, a young family, starting a new business and still finding time to take a very active role in local politics; especially engaging with young voters and raising issues on behalf of residents who have been ignored by their councillor or MP.

The excuse of 'I find it sad that those who lose elections desperately hang around instead of giving up' is terrible. You don't have to be an elected member to put Hartlepool first, nor do you need to be part of a party who use it as a slogan. You've just got to have the drive and the commitment to keep pushing for change when you know there is something wrong.

[tankerville]

May I interject here gentlemen? It's all getting rather petty and personal and I also think quite out of place for this site.

May I suggest a meeting for you both.

Somewhere quiet like perhaps; Church Street on a Saturday Evening.

Just a thought!

[Mr Mister]

Come on Mr T.. You of all people should know that when sparring, you need to match up..

Anyone can clearly see, one would have to grow two foot, the other would have to put on 10 stone, to match them up..

Politically it would be a Red belt, black tag, against a yellow belt, green tag..

[mk1]

From several regular posters this was to be expected and consisted of the usual leftist bile and offered nothing constructive (as per usual)

I  should inform casual browsers that the term 'Leftist' is used here as a slur on anyone not sharing the  extremely repugnant  right wing views of the poster. A man who was an active member of  far right  groups for decades before he managed to  find a position in UKIP.
Although UKIP claim they do not allow ex members of  far right groups in their ranks they clearly have made an exception in his case

[Mr Mister]

MK1 You old lefty you,

Say what you like about him, that's your choice but, I think he's a good man, with good intentions, even if I don't agree with him politically sometimes, I think he often puts over a good argument..

He rarely talks like a pansy, know what I mean

[DRiddle]

hope that one day you will determine that pursuing the common ideal of casting aside the corrupt, inept, profligate shower of s**t that currently preside over us is more important than your 'ego'

Surely that's what people were asking for? Pursuing the common goal of making sure the seat doesn't stay with Labour.

That won't be helped by having more candidates than are needed to do the job.

[Ryehill]

             Once again Mk 1 , in his usual jaundiced way, is peddling half truths about a contributor to this discussion. He is correct that Kipperdip was a member of a far right group for a comparatively short time in the 60's . That is decades ago not for decades. He later joined the Conservative Party before joining U.K.I.P.
            In this day and age when murderers serve just a few years in jail before being released, how long should a youthful indiscretion be held against Kipperdip ?  After all the far right group to which he belonged has never been declared an illegal organisation. Can we keep the discussion on track?
             

[mk1]

             Once again Mk 1 , in his usual jaundiced way, is peddling half truths about a contributor to this discussion. He is correct that Kipperdip was a member of a far right group for a comparatively short time in the 60's .

Not true.
Have you ever considered the possibility you may not have been told the whole story"
He was in one group where members were  convicted of firebombing Synagogues.

            In this day and age when murderers serve just a few years in jail before being released, how long should a youthful indiscretion be held against Kipperdip ?  After all the far right group to which he belonged has never been declared an illegal organisation. Can we keep the discussion on track?
           

UKIP say they have a policy of not allowing members with a history of far right involvement  into the party. Indeed many UKIP  members were expelled when  it came to light  but for some reason this policy does not seem to  apply to DP.
Why not?



I see UKIP as just another political party  full of liars, thieves and cheats. When you leader is a city spiv recently caught  out hiding his money in his brothers name then you know UKIP are just  fighting for a place at the trough.



Oh and as a general rule when someone refers to me in an insulting way (however obliquely)I return the favour.

[pensionater]

Why didn't you come out and say all this while you were quite high up in UKIP ?.Lots of posters on here say that the Labour councillors who say nowt are just as much to blame as those with their noses in the trough.It seems it's not that straight forward is it Steve. 

[Mr Mister]

Pensionater, I do like your little barbs and digs.  Your "clever" twists to things provide me with some smiles and a fair bit of amusement. If you had the balls to put your name to your posts then I might take you seriously! Until then please carry on, I enjoy a good laugh

I wanted to ask the same question the other day in truth, I thought better of it, in case you were a delicate flower on the subject, reading your posts a couple of years ago on UKIP and reading your posts on UKIP now, you have to agree they are somewhat at odds with each other.


Just saying!